Mazdaspeed3 and BMW 335i on Calaveras road

[mole']

Funny vid

YouTube - Mazdaspeed3 and BMW 335i on Calaveras road (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20SNMdo3B3o)

[ViperZ]

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102510&highlight=mazda+bmw

[eclimax13]

100 post

[bobman1235]

In the future, while Polk is pretty lenient on the occasional swearing, you may want to avoid putting it in the SUBJECT.

[Demiurge]

In the future, while Polk is pretty lenient on the occasional swearing....

Not lately.

[mole']

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102510&highlight=mazda+bmw

i fail!!!

[mole']

In the future, while Polk is pretty lenient on the occasional swearing, you may want to avoid putting it in the SUBJECT.

i did not even think about that


Sorry!!!!!!!!!!

[acmf74]

typical BMW driver.....;)

[mole']

typical BMW driver.....;)

Yes it is

i have a BMW and a lil (RICER turbo) mazda

most BMW guys i have met are like the one in the video.

[JimKellyfan]

Intelligent people usually pull over and let them pass.
The others do that in which the BMW guy did.
In my younger days, I probably would have hurt the BMW driver in some manner.
But, too, I wouldn't be speeding on that type of road.
As we age, we become less bulletproof and less than ten feet tall.

Too, my old BMW had 4 digits for a model number and was slow and smoky under deceleration, my old 76 2002.
Handled like a dream, though.:eek:
Four different worn tires and it stuck like it was glued, I once asked a technician at BMW why it didn't squeal around corners. He told me I would flip it first.
Incredible.

[mole']

Intelligent people usually pull over and let them pass.
The others do that in which the BMW guy did.
In my younger days, I probably would have hurt the BMW driver in some manner.
But, too, I wouldn't be speeding on that type of road.
As we age, we become less bulletproof and less than ten feet tall.

Too, my old BMW had 4 digits for a model number and was slow and smoky under deceleration, my old 76 2002.
Handled like a dream, though.:eek:
Four different worn tires and it stuck like it was glued, I once asked a technician at BMW why it didn't squeal around corners. He told me I would flip it first.
Incredible.

the BMW in that Vid is a 335i (twinturbo) but its slow and has a decent suspension in stock form. the mazdaSPEED 3 is also turbocharged but in this case it was not stock.

the guy in the Mazda did the right thing IMO, but i would not of been that nice at all.

[audiobliss]

Umm, did you just say a 335i is slow? It does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and crosses the 1/4-mile mark in 13.6 @ 105. No, that's not blazing. But it sure isn't slow, either.

In stock form it takes the Mazdaspeed3 5.5 seconds to 60 and 14 flat through the 1/4.

I definitely fail to see how the BMW is slow when compared to the 'Speed3.

[Serendipity]

Yes, a 335i is slow. At least for the price, IMO.

There are many cars that can do the same for less...

[mole']

Umm, did you just say a 335i is slow? It does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and crosses the 1/4-mile mark in 13.6 @ 105. No, that's not blazing. But it sure isn't slow, either.

In stock form it takes the Mazdaspeed3 5.5 seconds to 60 and 14 flat through the 1/4.

I definitely fail to see how the BMW is slow when compared to the 'Speed3.

i said that mazdaSPEED3 was not stock. it was easily in the low 12 sec range. aka would kill that stock 335i from a roll or dig. i have seen many 335i do a 14.+ in stock form.

[mole']

Yes, a 335i is slow. At least for the price, IMO.

There are many cars that can do the same for less...

thank you


now for a fast car that was super cheap new. look at the Dodge SRT-4 $20k brand new, 230hp, 250tq, 5.3 0-60, and 13.8@105 in stock form.

that 335i is 45k stock

[billbillw]

i said that mazdaSPEED3 was not stock. it was easily in the low 12 sec range. aka would kill that stock 335i from a roll or dig. i have seen many 335i do a 14.+ in stock form.

WTF? Dude, where do you get low 12 seconds on that Speed3? I watched that video months ago and the only thing I recall being mentioned was it having a CAI. Otherwise stock engine. In stock form, the MS3 is lucky to run upper 13s. A CAI is not going to bring it down in the low 12s.

BTW, I know, I have a Speed3. Its quick, but I wouldn't expect to overtake a 335i unless the driver sucked or was half asleep.

[mole']

WTF? Dude, where do you get low 12 seconds on that Speed3? I watched that video months ago and the only thing I recall being mentioned was it having a CAI. Otherwise stock engine. In stock form, the MS3 is lucky to run upper 13s. A CAI is not going to bring it down in the low 12s.

BTW, I know, I have a Speed3. Its quick, but I wouldn't expect to overtake a 335i unless the driver sucked or was half asleep.

it was stated on another site. SRTforums.com the said SPEED3 has a SST turbo (where you upgrade the stock wheel in the turbo) ported ext mani, bigger injectors, meth and so on. ill look for the thread

[billbillw]

it was stated on another site. SRTforums.com the said SPEED3 has a SST turbo (where you upgrade the stock wheel in the turbo) ported ext mani, bigger injectors, meth and so on. ill look for the thread

Well, the guy who took the video, and posted his car info on Youtube, just said it had CAI. Not sure I'd trust anything from another forum.

[mark090852]

Yes, a 335i is slow. At least for the price, IMO.

There are many cars that can do the same for less...

That doesn't make it slow...it's just expensive. 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and crosses the 1/4-mile mark in 13.6 @ 105 is not slow.

[mole']

Well, the guy who took the video, and posted his car info on Youtube, just said it had CAI. Not sure I'd trust anything from another forum.

its all good man.

you on any of the mazda forums? your MS3 stock?

[billbillw]

its all good man.

you on any of the mazda forums? your MS3 stock?

Yep, on a couple Mazda forums, but don't really go there much. Mine is stock except for the audio system and the two kids seats in the back ;)

[mole']

Yep, on a couple Mazda forums, but don't really go there much. Mine is stock except for the audio system and the two kids seats in the back ;)

cool cool

my MazdaSPEED is stock too (only for warranty reason) but the tires 225/40/17 racingHART rims, spark plugs and drop in K&N.

and i have the BABYSEAT MOD TOO :D

[acmf74]

Straight line performance and handling is phenomenal on that car.

(really fun on the track)

[mole']

Straight line performance and handling is phenomenal on that car.

(really fun on the track)

on what car?

[acmf74]

on what car?


the bimmer

[mole']

the bimmer

stock its slow man

add a Split second power pack and it will wake the car up.

good motor to build up on tho.

the suspension is nice on them tho. just need some wider tires in the back.

just my .02

[audiobliss]

That doesn't make it slow...it's just expensive. 0-60 in 4.9 seconds and crosses the 1/4-mile mark in 13.6 @ 105 is not slow.
Agreed. I'm all for cheap speed, and getting bang for your buck. I'd love to have a '88 notchback doing low 12's in the 1/4 for just a few grand. But just because the 335i is so expensive doesn't mean it's slow. No matter if the price is $12k or $80k, 0-60 in 4.9 is not slow. Just one might represent less performance/$.


Yes, a 335i is slow. At least for the price, IMO.

There are many cars that can do the same for less...
Really? You're going to take that stance, too?

The 2009 BMW 335i has a base price of $40,600. Does 0-60 in 4.9 seconds.
The 2010 C6 Corvette has a base price of $48,930 and does 0-60 in 4.0 seconds.

Does that mean your mom got ripped off buying her Corvette? Heck no. It's a great car and a great choice if you can afford it. But so is the 335i. And it's not slow.

Admittedly the Corvette is a lot faster. And $9k more expensive. And I'm a Chevy guy through and through, I'd love to have a Corvette. But speaking realistically, compared to the BMW, the Corvette still has a rental car interior with a myriad of cheap and cheaper plastics with crappy seats. The BMW has a spectacular interior, great handling (at least on par with the base C6 I'd wager), and that German engineering and build quality everyone goes on about until I'm sick of hearing it, but it's true.

And not to mention the 335i isn't a sports car. It's a four door 'saloon' for carrying people around in comfort and style. Oh, and it's also really powerful and fast, too. That's not the 3-series' purpose. But the 335i happens to do that very well, too.

[acmf74]

TY audiobliss!

my sentiments exactly.

[audiobliss]

now for a fast car that was super cheap new. look at the Dodge SRT-4 $20k brand new, 230hp, 250tq, 5.3 0-60, and 13.8@105 in stock form.
Amen to that! Those SRT-4's were wicked. Had a friend who built his up quite a bit. Man, they were potent stock...and had incredible potential in them. Certainly would be a blast, at least in a straight line, to have one.

[mole']

the 335i is gutless and slow

have you driven one before?

and to compare it to a vette is just insane. the vette would kill it.

[mole']

Amen to that! Those SRT-4's were wicked. Had a friend who built his up quite a bit. Man, they were potent stock...and had incredible potential in them. Certainly would be a blast, at least in a straight line, to have one.

i have 2 SRT-4s

one is a mostly stock 2005 black and has taken out stock 335i with ease....

2004 custom silver and the other is fully gutted, full roll cage, a 800hp motor/setup, full race suspension.

i see your in NC. look up a shop called DCR. they have a 7 sec and an 8 sec SRT-4

[acmf74]

the 335i is gutless and slow

have you driven one before?

and to compare it to a vette is just insane. the vette would kill it.

If you want to compare a Vette to a bimmer I would use the M3 or M5.

The 335i is more of a daily driver.

[audiobliss]

the 335i is gutless and slow

have you driven one before?

and to compare it to a vette is just insane. the vette would kill it.
Do I have to drive one to know how fast it is? Sure, there are lots of things I couldn't state without driving one, but the facts are the 335i does 0-60 in 4.9, and there is no way in heck you're going to convince me that's slow. And gutless? 300lb-ft from 1400-5000rpm is gutless? Ok, I'm glad I now know what the definition of gutless is. :rolleyes:

And did I even imply the 335i was as fast as the Vette? I specifically said "the Corvette is a lot faster." I only brought up the Vette because it's something Serendipity has direct experience with.

And on another note, I keep replying with numbers and facts, and you just keep stating your opinion. Which is certainly as valid as mine. I just don't agree with it. Even when I get my dream garage and daily drive a Z06 with a cam'd LS7, I don't believe I'll think 4.9 is SLOW.

[mole']

If you want to compare a Vette to a bimmer I would use the M3 or M5.

The 335i is more of a daily driver.

now were talking

[audiobliss]

i have 2 SRT-4s

one is a mostly stock 2005 black and has taken out stock 335i with ease....

2004 custom silver and the other is fully gutted, full roll cage, a 800hp motor/setup, full race suspension.

i see your in NC. look up a shop called DCR. they have a 7 sec and an 8 sec SRT-4
Dangit, gee thanks. Now I have a puddle of drool I hafta mop up.

I'd love to take a ride in your hopped up SRT4. Heck, The '05 would be tons of fun, too. I'm actually in AR in school at the moment, but Saturday head back home for a few weeks. Might hafta find said shop if it's close.

[mole']

Do I have to drive one to know how fast it is? Sure, there are lots of things I couldn't state without driving one, but the facts are the 335i does 0-60 in 4.9, and there is no way in heck you're going to convince me that's slow. And gutless? 300lb-ft from 1400-5000rpm is gutless? Ok, I'm glad I now know what the definition of gutless is. :rolleyes:

And did I even imply the 335i was as fast as the Vette? I specifically said "the Corvette is a lot faster." I only brought up the Vette because it's something Serendipity has direct experience with.

And on another note, I keep replying with numbers and facts, and you just keep stating your opinion. Which is certainly as valid as mine. I just don't agree with it. Even when I get my dream garage and daily drive a Z06 with a cam'd LS7, I don't believe I'll think 4.9 is SLOW.

its cool man. its just that lil rich kids come out with their stock 335i cars to some local meets and think they are hot $H!T. it is a well built nice car, but they are not that fast to me. again this is my opinion. i too would love to own a Z06, but mine will be twinturbo.

[acmf74]

fast is my neighbors car

Hennessey Viper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennessey_Viper_Venom_1000_Twin_Turbo

[mole']

Dangit, gee thanks. Now I have a puddle of drool I hafta mop up.

I'd love to take a ride in your hopped up SRT4. Heck, The '05 would be tons of fun, too. I'm actually in AR in school at the moment, but Saturday head back home for a few weeks. Might hafta find said shop if it's close.

they are fun lil cars man.

BTW DCR stands for Darrel Cox Racing. a good buddy of mine used to work there.

[audiobliss]

i too would love to own a Z06, but mine will be twinturbo.
That works, too. :D I haven't read enough yet to know how much abuse the LS7's cylinder walls can take. But from the very little I've stumbled across in the last two or three days, I'm pleasantly surprised.

fast is my neighbors car

Hennessey Viper.
Definitely a fun ride there!

[mole']

fast is my neighbors car

Hennessey Viper.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hennessey_Viper_Venom_1000_Twin_Turbo

Hennessy is a Joke on the Viper forums man. they got banned from most of them awhile back.

all the Viper guys in know in SD/LA LOL at them. the owner of VTCOA Viper Truck Club of America is a good buddy of mine and i have heard alot of the scary stories about them.

[mole']

That works, too. :D I haven't read enough yet to know how much abuse the LS7's cylinder walls can take. But from the very little I've stumbled across in the last two or three days, I'm pleasantly surprised.



$$$$

if i sell all of my cars i could buy one and do the TT setup.

but dont think the wifey would be happy about it

[billbillw]

cool cool

my MazdaSPEED is stock too (only for warranty reason) but the tires 225/40/17 racingHART rims, spark plugs and drop in K&N.

and i have the BABYSEAT MOD TOO :D

Just curious, I thought yours was the MS Protege? What kinda warranty do you still have on that? Isn't that like 7 years old?

I don't plan to make any mods to mine even after the PT warranty expires (another 3 years or 35k miles). I want it to last since its a daily driver and I usually keep cars for 8-10 years on average. For around the city, it really is more than fast enough, especially when the boost kicks in through 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

[mole']

Just curious, I thought yours was the MS Protege? What kinda warranty do you still have on that? Isn't that like 7 years old?

I don't plan to make any mods to mine even after the PT warranty expires (another 3 years or 35k miles). I want it to last since its a daily driver and I usually keep cars for 8-10 years on average. For around the city, it really is more than fast enough, especially when the boost kicks in through 2nd, 3rd and 4th.

yup, i have the MSp i have the 2.0 Turbo with sidemount intercooler, you have the 2.3 turbo with top mount intercooler.

i have the extended warranty on it. its a 2003.5 so ya. LOL i was gonna upgrade the turbo on it, but the motors dont do so good with much more boost. i had the motor pop at 41k miles. warranty covered the whole replacement. wrist pin broke. thank god the car was still stock. i have 61k on the car now.

[acmf74]

I have seen some crazy videos on youtube for this tuner on BMW's

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/

HPF M3's are crazy

[mole']

I have seen some crazy videos on youtube for this tuner on BMW's

http://www.horsepowerfreaks.com/

HPF M3's are crazy

e46 with a turbo is just sick man

[concealer404]

Hennessy is a Joke on the Viper forums man. they got banned from most of them awhile back.

all the Viper guys in know in SD/LA LOL at them. the owner of VTCOA Viper Truck Club of America is a good buddy of mine and i have heard alot of the scary stories about them.

Hennessy is no longer with that company, and their reputation has improved greatly since he left. ;)

[audiobliss]

Hennessy is a Joke on the Viper forums man. they got banned from most of them awhile back.

all the Viper guys in know in SD/LA LOL at them. the owner of VTCOA Viper Truck Club of America is a good buddy of mine and i have heard alot of the scary stories about them.
I was very disappointed when I first discovered this and read some of those scary stories. And they are very scary and sad. :( Still wickedly awesome machines, though.


$$$$

if i sell all of my cars i could buy one and do the TT setup.

but dont think the wifey would be happy about it
Do it. :D

[audiobliss]

Hennessy is no longer with that company, and their reputation has improved greatly since he left. ;)
Wha??? Seriously? What's the name of the company? I thought it was Hennessy engineering or some such. Did they change the company's name to get his name out of it? That's great news, if the company's back on track and dealing straight now!

[mole']

Hennessy is no longer with that company, and their reputation has improved greatly since he left. ;)

that i did not know. i just stopped reading about that company since i heard all them things. guess ill have to read up on it now

[bobman1235]

I think the only thing worse than audio snobs are car snobs. People fighting over tenths of a second and calling one car "garbage" over another because of those tenths of a second is ludicrous. Let people drive what they want and friggin' enjoy it already; unless they're specifically trying to throw it in your face that they have a BETTER car, let them enjoy it.

To say a 335i is a piece of junk, and then compare it in any way other than pure numbers performance to a Corvette is ludicrous. Corvettes may be fast, but I had hand-made go-karts as a kid that felt more solid.

[mole']

I was very disappointed when I first discovered this and read some of those scary stories. And they are very scary and sad. :( Still wickedly awesome machines, though.


Do it. :D

alot of messed of stories.........

brings a tear to my eye.


I WISH MAN!!!!

wifey would cut my man hood off

[mole']

yes i am a car geek. i do all my own work on my cars.

[concealer404]

Wait... i may have gotten that mixed up with another company. Let me look around, i may not have my facts straight.

I do KNOW for a fact the company has moved locations and doesn't have the same issues that they had 3 years ago when the **** hit the fan, though.

I'll come back to this. Sorry for the potential confusion.

[rayslifecycle]

bwahahahahahaha - thanks for the vid post - I was entertained.

Obviously
It is just downright rude to keep up with a car twice the price.

[mole']

bwahahahahahaha - thanks for the vid post - i was entertained.

Obviously
it is just downright rude to keep up with a car twice the price.

lol!!!!!

[concealer404]

Sorry, i'm dumb. It wasn't Hennessey.

But still worth mentioning that there has been a drastic reduction of complaints against Hennessey, especially since he moved shop.

My apologies guys.

[concealer404]

It is just downright rude to keep up with a car twice the price.

Man, i should apologize to that Neon i ran into on the way to work this morning. :(

[mole']

Man, i should apologize to that Neon i ran into on the way to work this morning. :(

base neon???

[concealer404]

base neon???

Hell yeah. For that matter, it was probably close to 5x the price of my car.

That said, it's not like most SRT-4s give me hassles, either. ;)

[mole']

Hell yeah. For that matter, it was probably close to 5x the price of my car.

That said, it's not like most SRT-4s give me hassles, either. ;)

hahahaha


what do you drive again to work?

[concealer404]

hahahaha


what do you drive again to work?

The MX6. :p It's my DD. Probably not the most responsible thing to drive everywhere, but it's been rock solid reliable.

[mole']

The MX6. :p It's my DD. Probably not the most responsible thing to drive everywhere, but it's been rock solid reliable.

thats what i was thinking

that is a sleeper


wanna play with one of my SRT4?

[concealer404]

I'd decline against the fully built one, but if you weren't 2 days away, i'd take a crack at the other one. ;)

[mole']

I'd decline against the fully built one, but if you weren't 2 days away, i'd take a crack at the other one. ;)


the STOCK looking one will give you a run for your $$$

[concealer404]

the STOCK looking one will give you a run for your $$$

Probably, but that's what makes it exciting. ;)

[mole']

Probably, but that's what makes it exciting. ;)

Yes Sir.............

[Serendipity]

Just looked over the last few posts. I never said a 335i is a piece of junk/garbage/etc.

What I should have said is "for the money, there are other cars that can outperform the 335i at a lower price."

Sorry.

[audiobliss]

I'd love to tag along in my Mazda3 and watch you guys duke it out in the MX6 and SRT4! or better yet ride along! :D

No apologies necessary, Serendipity. Just friendly discussion here. :)

[mole']

I'd love to tag along in my Mazda3 and watch you guys duke it out in the MX6 and SRT4! or better yet ride along! :D

No apologies necessary, Serendipity. Just friendly discussion here. :)

just add an WGA or BC and you could play a lil bit.

you can do mods to keep your car looking stock.

PORT WORK!!! port your Turbo housing, exhaust manifold, TB and ITM. all 4 of them would lean you out and add a nice power curve.

were are you located at?

[shack]

Lots of comments about the bimmer jockey being an *******. What about the guy in the Mazda? If I'm driving along and all the sudden some jerk starts "obviously" trying to chase me...I'm going to be pissed as well. The guy with the camera is just as much of an ******* as the other guy IMO.

[mole']

Lots of comments about the bimmer jockey being an *******. What about the guy in the Mazda? If I'm driving along and all the sudden some jerk starts "obviously" trying to chase me...I'm going to be pissed as well. The guy with the camera is just as much of an ******* as the other guy IMO.

the mazda guy left plenty of room infront of him IMO and was not tailgating. the BMW owner was the one who stopped on a road to get out and smart off.

[audiobliss]

just add an WGA or BC and you could play a lil bit.

you can do mods to keep your car looking stock.

PORT WORK!!! port your Turbo housing, exhaust manifold, TB and ITM. all 4 of them would lean you out and add a nice power curve.

were are you located at?
Those might be good options...if I had a speed3. But mine's just the n/a 2.3. :( Not much fun to be had with that. There was a 'speed3 at a lot down the street that I test drove - wow what a difference! I'd be tickled pink and have a huge grin on my face if I had that thing. It would be a while before I *really* wanted it to go faster. Oh well. I'm just waiting to get that first car that really has some potential to have some fun with.

I'm from the triad area, between Winston Salem and Greensboro. But nowadays I'm in Arkansas most of my time, taking classes.

[mole']

Those might be good options...if I had a speed3. But mine's just the n/a 2.3. :( Not much fun to be had with that. There was a 'speed3 at a lot down the street that I test drove - wow what a difference! I'd be tickled pink and have a huge grin on my face if I had that thing. It would be a while before I *really* wanted it to go faster. Oh well. I'm just waiting to get that first car that really has some potential to have some fun with.

I'm from the triad area, between Winston Salem and Greensboro. But nowadays I'm in Arkansas most of my time, taking classes.

you can get a used SRT4 for a lot less.

and a stock SRT4 will whomp on a stock MS3

[Ric5811]

Well if the 335 was as light as the Japanese cars it wouldn't feel slow and gutless. I don't rate speed alone as a factor. I have sold Bimmers in the past, and I drive a SPEC V. Cheap fun car with balls and makes you drive by the seat of your pants. But you put me in the 335, which I have driven, and I will smoke a MazdaSPEED all day long.

If it came down to a Bimmer and A SPEED and money was not the consideration, BMW all day long.

And of course if money was not the option, it would be an M3!

[mole']

Well if the 335 was as light as the Japanese cars it wouldn't feel slow and gutless. I don't rate speed alone as a factor. I have sold Bimmers in the past, and I drive a SPEC V. Cheap fun car with balls and makes you drive by the seat of your pants. But you put me in the 335, which I have driven, and I will smoke a MazdaSPEED all day long.

If it came down to a Bimmer and A SPEED and money was not the consideration, BMW all day long.

And of course if money was not the option, it would be an M3!

then i would get the M5

but you have a good point.

[exalted512]

Lots of comments about the bimmer jockey being an *******. What about the guy in the Mazda? If I'm driving along and all the sudden some jerk starts "obviously" trying to chase me...I'm going to be pissed as well. The guy with the camera is just as much of an ******* as the other guy IMO.

Have to disagree with you there shackdaddy.

The BMW pulled out in front of him enough to where it appeared he had to slow down a little. I wouldn't even call him tailgating him, much less driving like an *******.

Then stopped in the road on a blind corner with no shoulders. Excellent move. Someone did that to me that would be looking down the barrel of a 9mm.

Lunatic freakin entitlement-seeking POS BMW driver is all I saw in this video. Common amongst BMW drivers than most other makes it seems.

Had a douchebag BMW driver today try to get in my lane without even putting on a blinker and then looked at me like I did something wrong. Idiots.
-Cody

[exalted512]

Those might be good options...if I had a speed3. But mine's just the n/a 2.3. :( Not much fun to be had with that. There was a 'speed3 at a lot down the street that I test drove - wow what a difference! I'd be tickled pink and have a huge grin on my face if I had that thing. It would be a while before I *really* wanted it to go faster. Oh well. I'm just waiting to get that first car that really has some potential to have some fun with.

I'm from the triad area, between Winston Salem and Greensboro. But nowadays I'm in Arkansas most of my time, taking classes.

did you seriously just say you'd be tinkled pink? Seriously?
-Cody

[mole']

Have to disagree with you there shackdaddy.

The BMW pulled out in front of him enough to where it appeared he had to slow down a little. I wouldn't even call him tailgating him, much less driving like an *******.

Then stopped in the road on a blind corner with no shoulders. Excellent move. Someone did that to me that would be looking down the barrel of a 9mm.

Lunatic freakin entitlement-seeking POS BMW driver is all I saw in this video. Common amongst BMW drivers than most other makes it seems.

Had a douchebag BMW driver today try to get in my lane without even putting on a blinker and then looked at me like I did something wrong. Idiots.
-Cody

i like this mans thinking.

[shack]

I still think Mazda boy was being an *******.

[bobman1235]

I agree with shack. "Let's Dance" in the captions tells you all you need to know.

[exalted512]

I just dont see where he put either of them in any kind of danger. So he was keeping up with the guy, I guess I drive like an ******* all the time.
-Cody

[mole']

I just dont see where he put either of them in any kind of danger. So he was keeping up with the guy, I guess I drive like an ******* all the time.
-Cody

if thats driving like an @$$HOLE, then im x3 of that when im on a road like that

[shack]

If your intent is to chase or "dance" with the car in front of you...then yes...you are an *******.

[mole']

If your intent is to chase or "dance" with the car in front of you...then yes...you are an *******.

only on roads like that.

im nice on the normal roads and freeways

[audiobliss]

you can get a used SRT4 for a lot less.

and a stock SRT4 will whomp on a stock MS3
Would be fun, most definitely, but I'd be more interested in other options. Besides, I'm going to be keeping my current car for the next few years until I get out of school.


Have to disagree with you there shackdaddy.

The BMW pulled out in front of him enough to where it appeared he had to slow down a little. I wouldn't even call him tailgating him, much less driving like an *******.

Then stopped in the road on a blind corner with no shoulders. Excellent move. Someone did that to me that would be looking down the barrel of a 9mm.

Lunatic freakin entitlement-seeking POS BMW driver is all I saw in this video. Common amongst BMW drivers than most other makes it seems.

Had a douchebag BMW driver today try to get in my lane without even putting on a blinker and then looked at me like I did something wrong. Idiots.
-Cody
Agreed 100%. I thought the Mazda driver was well within bounds. Though, I do know a lot of respectable BMW owners.


if thats driving like an @$$HOLE, then im x3 of that when im on a road like that
Unfortunately, I'd have to agree to the same. Though probably not x3. But on just about any road.

[Serendipity]

Why not a Jeep instead? When you get out of school...

[mole']

Why not a Jeep instead? When you get out of school...

JEEP SRT-8 2011 with the new 6.4L for sure.......

[exalted512]

If your intent is to chase or "dance" with the car in front of you...then yes...you are an *******.

guilty as charged then, but my *******ness never puts anyone in danger like stopping the car on a shoulderless road after a blind turn.
-Cody

[audiobliss]

And since this got me to thinking about 'my next car'....

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/carmike692000/th_DickHarrell.jpg (http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/carmike692000/?action=view&current=DickHarrell.flv)

GMMG Dick Harrell Camaro. Gorgeous paint job (in my favorite color no less), unique wide body kit, 427 putting out ~630hp, roll cage, beautiful Fiske wheels, and all the other beefed up goods to match. I think there were only about 69 of them made. If I'm not mistaken, that's Matt Murphy of GMMG in that video, and his did the 1/4 in 10.94@125 with a 1.45 60'.

Yeah, I want one of those. Bad. Though really I'd take any muscle car with that sound!

EDIT - Obviously I don't know how to put the actual video in the post. :mad: Sorry. You'll hafta click the link.

[Serendipity]

How about the new Camaro rumored to have the 638hp Corvette ZR-1 engine?

Basically a Cadillac CTS-V in Camaro form?

[audiobliss]

How about the new Camaro rumored to have the 638hp Corvette ZR-1 engine?

Basically a Cadillac CTS-V in Camaro form?
It definitely won't have the ZR-1's LS9. The most logical speculation at this point is the CTS-V's LSA, which in Cadillac guise puts out 556hp. The hopeful are saying it will be tuned for about 575 or so in the Z-28.

I'm sorry, but I'm just not that interested in it. And I feel like I should be since I love Chevy and Camaro's. But the new Camaro is just too much of a pig. Weighs too much and doesn't handle nearly as well as the Mustang. Which is lighter, tighter, and just as fast. I feel like a traitor saying this, but I'd rather have a new Mustang than a new Camaro. And with the Z-28, I guess that would mean a GT500 instead.

[Serendipity]

JEEP SRT-8 2011 with the new 6.4L for sure.......

Hopefully that will be around soon, I haven't seen any yet.

Looks to be an awesome Jeep.

AB - any chances of getting back in a Jeep?

[Serendipity]

It definitely won't have the ZR-1's LS9. The most logical speculation at this point is the CTS-V's LSA, which in Cadillac guise puts out 556hp. The hopeful are saying it will be tuned for about 575 or so in the Z-28.

I'm sorry, but I'm just not that interested in it. And I feel like I should be since I love Chevy and Camaro's. But the new Camaro is just too much of a pig. Weighs too much and doesn't handle nearly as well as the Mustang. Which is lighter, tighter, and just as fast. I feel like a traitor saying this, but I'd rather have a new Mustang than a new Camaro. And with the Z-28, I guess that would mean a GT500 instead.

Aww, well the CTS-V's LSA is quite potent too, and if it's indeed tuned for 575 horses in the Camaro it should be a good performer. Yes, the Mustang is a great performer and I like both of them equally. A GT500 would be a good choice, too :)

[audiobliss]

AB - any chances of getting back in a Jeep?
I would LOVE to get MY Cherokee back. That probably won't happen. But I can definitely foresee getting another Cherokee one day. Jeep's not currently making anything I'm interested in, though. Hard to say. Right now I'd rather get a ~2003 4-door Sierra with the Duramax. So who knows.

[mole']

How about the new Camaro rumored to have the 638hp Corvette ZR-1 engine?

Basically a Cadillac CTS-V in Camaro form?

thats the Z-28 SC

i made a thread about it last week

[Serendipity]

I would LOVE to get MY Cherokee back. That probably won't happen. But I can definitely foresee getting another Cherokee one day. Jeep's not currently making anything I'm interested in, though. Hard to say. Right now I'd rather get a ~2003 4-door Sierra with the Duramax. So who knows.

Not interested in the current GC SRT-8?

[audiobliss]

thats the Z-28 SC

i made a thread about it last week
Yeah, I've been keeping up with that thread. Have read every post. Makes me wanna pull my hair out, how they all just assume the Z-28 is going to be the best thing ever, even though it's still going to be heavier and not much more powerful than the GT500, which has highly acclaimed handling capabilities. I like Chevy and know they *can* make the Z-28 be awesome. They just have a LOT of work to do to the SS to turn it into something that can take on the GT500.


Not interested in the current GC SRT-8?
Nope, sure aren't. If I'm going with an SUV/truck type vehicle, I'd much rather have a Duramax. I've had a craving for a diesel now for the last few years. Though I have to admit the Trailblazer SS looks really nice.

[Serendipity]

A Trailblazer SS can keep up with a lot of cars and surprise many others.

First hand experience.

Too bad they don't make them anymore.

[Serendipity]

If I'm going with an SUV/truck type vehicle, I'd much rather have a Duramax. I've had a craving for a diesel now for the last few years. Though I have to admit the Trailblazer SS looks really nice.

With lift kit and monster truck tires I suppose? Would be awesome.

[audiobliss]

With lift kit and monster truck tires I suppose? Would be awesome.
No, actually. Sure, aftermarket wheels and aggressive tires would be nice. But the modifications I have in mind are more of twin turbo, upgrade kit for the Allison tranny, etc. It'd take a lot of money and so a good bit of time to do it, but I'd be aiming to get it into the 11's in the 1/4. Which is entirely doable, and completely amazing considering the thing weighs like 6300+ pounds.

I LOVE this look. Very simple, not outlandish at all (in fact probably stock except the tires?), but still looks aggressive and has a mean stance. It's my dream truck, and right now really my dream vehicle. I'd LOVE to have it for my next ride.
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/carmike692000/Cars/13740175738270339071IM1MAIN565x421_A562x421.jpg

Then I'll take it to the track like this guy. :p
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q66/carmike692000/Cars/hardyhelp.jpg

[billbillw]

and a stock SRT4 will whomp on a stock MS3

Whomp? And where do you come up with that from?

Boy, you really just spew stuff without much to back you up.

In stock form, the SRT-4 made 215-230HP (depending on the year),
the MS3 was rated at 263HP.
The SRT-4 made 245-250ft/lbs of torque,
the MS3 is rated at 280ft/lbs.

Yes, the SRT-4 was maybe 200lbs lighter, but that's nowhere near enough weight loss to "whomp" the MS3.

In fact, if you look at published numbers, the cars were close to a dead heat depending on the year, test location, etc.

Hard to find direct comparisions tests since the original SRT-4 was discontinued in 2005 and the MS3 wasn't released until 2007.

But, just taking raw test numbers (using Car and Driver for comparison)
Picking the best published by C&D, in April 2004, which was the higher 230HP version the SRT-4 ran 0-60 in 5.3., 0-100 in 13.4, 1/4 in 13.9 @103
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/04q2/dodge_srt-4-short_take_road_test

In January 2009, the MS3 ran 0-60 in 5.5., 0-100 in 13.2, 1/4 in 14.0@103
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/bdc7735e51761f8b1cd0730048f4def0.pdf

Now, take these numbers with a grain of salt, because they are most likely different locations, different conditions, different drivers, etc.

But, it is enough data to say that the SRT-4 will not whomp a MS3.

[mole']

Yeah, I've been keeping up with that thread. Have read every post. Makes me wanna pull my hair out, how they all just assume the Z-28 is going to be the best thing ever, even though it's still going to be heavier and not much more powerful than the GT500, which has highly acclaimed handling capabilities. I like Chevy and know they *can* make the Z-28 be awesome. They just have a LOT of work to do to the SS to turn it into something that can take on the GT500.

.

i myself would take a SRT-8 or a new z-28 over the gt500. im just not a ford guy and the car is So-So to me.

[mole']

A Trailblazer SS can keep up with a lot of cars and surprise many others.

First hand experience.

Too bad they don't make them anymore.

oh yes it can. i used to own a TB before i got the BMW x3

i miss it

[mole']

whomp? And where do you come up with that from?

Boy, you really just spew stuff without much to back you up.

In stock form, the srt-4 made 215-230hp (depending on the year),
the ms3 was rated at 263hp.
The srt-4 made 245-250ft/lbs of torque,
the ms3 is rated at 280ft/lbs.

Yes, the srt-4 was maybe 200lbs lighter, but that's nowhere near enough weight loss to "whomp" the ms3.

In fact, if you look at published numbers, the cars were close to a dead heat depending on the year, test location, etc.

Hard to find direct comparisions tests since the original srt-4 was discontinued in 2005 and the ms3 wasn't released until 2007.

But, just taking raw test numbers (using car and driver for comparison)
picking the best published by c&d, in april 2004, which was the higher 230hp version the srt-4 ran 0-60 in 5.3., 0-100 in 13.4, 1/4 in 13.9 @103
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/04q2/dodge_srt-4-short_take_road_test

in january 2009, the ms3 ran 0-60 in 5.5., 0-100 in 13.2, 1/4 in 14.0@103
http://www.caranddriver.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/original/application/bdc7735e51761f8b1cd0730048f4def0.pdf

now, take these numbers with a grain of salt, because they are most likely different locations, different conditions, different drivers, etc.

But, it is enough data to say that the srt-4 will not whomp a ms3.

because i have done it plenty of times!!!!!!!!!!!!

That how i know it will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[billbillw]

because i have done it plenty of times!!!!!!!!!!!!

That how i know it will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Then it must be true :rolleyes:

Ever think that the other drivers might not really be racing you? Or, they have their heads up their arse?

Besides, I though yours was "mildly modded"? Cant' really compare then, can you?

[mole']

Then it must be true :rolleyes:

Ever think that the other drivers might not really be racing you? Or, they have their heads up their arse?

Besides, I though yours was "mildly modded"? Cant' really compare then, can you?

go get a stock mazdaSPEED3 and ill bring out a stock SRT4 and walk the floor with ya.

:D

have a nice day

[concealer404]

I'd love to tag along in my Mazda3 and watch you guys duke it out in the MX6 and SRT4! or better yet ride along! :D

No apologies necessary, Serendipity. Just friendly discussion here. :)

Find a track that allows ride-alongs. ;) My street-racing days were short-lived and over.

[acmf74]

never driven one but i really like the WRX sti on paper and it's looks

[mole']

Find a track that allows ride-alongs. ;) My street-racing days were short-lived and over.

i have NEVER street raced

;)

[mole']

never driven one but i really like the WRX sti on paper and it's looks

the older ones are BLAH. can be had for cheap now days. the new STi is just sick. out of the box it is a really nice well built car.

[audiobliss]

the older ones are BLAH. can be had for cheap now days. the new STi is just sick. out of the box it is a really nice well built car.
Wow. I'm beginning to wonder if you're just an automated 'net bot, randomly spouting out these absurd statements.

Here you can read Car and Driver's article testing the 2003 WRX STi in a shoot out with the Evo. (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/03q2/2003_mitsubishi_lancer_evolution_vs._subaru_imprez a_wrx_sti-comparison_tests/2003_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_page_3)
And here you can read Car and Driver's first drive review of the 2011 WRX STi. (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q3/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti-first_drive_review)

2003 WRX STi: 0-60 in 4.6, 1/4 in 13.2 @ 103. 300hp@6krpm and 300lb-ft@4krpm.
2011 WRX STi: 0-60 in 5.0, 1/4 in 13.5. 305hp@6krpm and 290lb-ft@4krpm.

And from a purely subjective stand point, the STi's from the 2003 era were by far the best looking. The traingular nose on the later ones made them ugly as all get out. Now granted the new ones look pretty decent, but they're hatches. Not a bad thing, really, but the four door sedan is definitely cooler.

So on what exactly are you basing this idea that the new STi is "sick" whereas the older (better looking and faster) STi's are just "blah"? Please, tell me.

[mole']

Wow. I'm beginning to wonder if you're just an automated 'net bot, randomly spouting out these absurd statements.

Here you can read Car and Driver's article testing the 2003 WRX STi in a shoot out with the Evo. (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparisons/03q2/2003_mitsubishi_lancer_evolution_vs._subaru_imprez a_wrx_sti-comparison_tests/2003_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti_page_3)
And here you can read Car and Driver's first drive review of the 2011 WRX STi. (http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q3/2011_subaru_impreza_wrx_sti-first_drive_review)

2003 WRX STi: 0-60 in 4.6, 1/4 in 13.2 @ 103. 300hp@6krpm and 300lb-ft@4krpm.
2011 WRX STi: 0-60 in 5.0, 1/4 in 13.5. 305hp@6krpm and 290lb-ft@4krpm.

And from a purely subjective stand point, the STi's from the 2003 era were by far the best looking. The traingular nose on the later ones made them ugly as all get out. Now granted the new ones look pretty decent, but they're hatches. Not a bad thing, really, but the four door sedan is definitely cooler.

So on what exactly are you basing this idea that the new STi is "sick" whereas the older (better looking and faster) STi's are just "blah"? Please, tell me.

oh man

reason for my comments are

on the older STi when adding a performance part, you needed to get a retune/flash for every part you added. which adds up and was a PITA for most STi owners. the new STi is not like this. it is mod/tuner friendly. i did not like the look of the older ones. i was a fan of the EVOs in that time frame.
and the suspension on the new STi is really nice.

i base all my opinions on real world facts of driving and knowing someone that had one or myself owning one.

[kingcars66]

i base all my opinions on real world facts of driving and knowing someone that had one or myself owning one.

And that's also why the GT500 is so-so just because it's a Ford? :rolleyes:

[mole']

And that's also why the GT500 is so-so just because it's a Ford? :rolleyes:

its a beast of a car.

but i still would take a SRT-8 over it

but yes, im not a ford guy.

you got me on that one.

[audiobliss]

oh man

reason for my comments are

on the older STi when adding a performance part, you needed to get a retune/flash for every part you added. which adds up and was a PITA for most STi owners. the new STi is not like this. it is mod/tuner friendly. i did not like the look of the older ones. i was a fan of the EVOs in that time frame.
and the suspension on the new STi is really nice.

i base all my opinions on real world facts of driving and knowing someone that had one or myself owning one.
Ok, so you have experience and knowledge somehow backing up your statement. I guess I'll consider your original post as valid, even though 1) I don't see how "sick" and "blah" even come close to describing what it is you're talking about, and 2) it'd be nice to give some indication that you have ANY knowledge or experience or even hearsay regarding what it is you're posting. Instead of just letting these ridiculous-sounding statements stand out there on their own.

[concealer404]

That said, it's not like it's real hard to tune the old STis anyways.... Nor is it expensive.

Not to mention that most turbo MAP-based cars are like this to some extent in the first place. It's the "flapper" cars that are more lenient.

[kingcars66]

its a beast of a car.

but i still would take a SRT-8 over it

but yes, im not a ford guy.

you got me on that one.

I give you props for being man enough to admit it :)

But yes, like what audiobliss said, elaborating your points with facts would help validate what you're saying.

[mole']

Ok, so you have experience and knowledge somehow backing up your statement. I guess I'll consider your original post as valid, even though 1) I don't see how "sick" and "blah" even come close to describing what it is you're talking about, and 2) it'd be nice to give some indication that you have ANY knowledge or experience or even hearsay regarding what it is you're posting. Instead of just letting these ridiculous-sounding statements stand out there on their own.

ok

i like the new STi. i think the body is nicer looking to me than the older STi models. to me the overall car is much better than the older models and more user friendly (from what i have read and heard from my friends with one)
i test drove an older (2004) STi when i was looking for another toy. i ending up picking up a 2004 SRT-4 for the fact that is just had more balls to it, way cheaper (2004 SRT-4 21k out the door) 2004 STi was like 32k. at the time i could only find the COBB tuner kit for the STi and it was $$. i then got a Mopar Stage 3r kit from dodge that put the SRT-4 over 3xx FWHP to the ground. im still happy i choose the SRT-4.

i have been working on turbo/supercharged cars for some time now, i was also a Diesel mech for awhile.

SORRY if i come off as a know-it-all about cars.

[mole']

That said, it's not like it's real hard to tune the old STis anyways.... Nor is it expensive.

Not to mention that most turbo MAP-based cars are like this to some extent in the first place. It's the "flapper" cars that are more lenient.

i have never tuned a STi, but just remember when they were out for a few years that they were a PITA for adding mods.

and i think the older STi is on a MAF and not a MAP sensor. not 100% sure tho

[mole']

I give you props for being man enough to admit it :)

But yes, like what audiobliss said, elaborating your points with facts would help validate what you're saying.

if im wrong about something, i will man up to it. but im am very hard headed.

:cool:

[ledhed]

I'm very curious where you guys would drive a car with 550+ HP (Z06 TT or that Camaro, AB). I love cars but cars like that are pointless besides a 1/4, IMO. I love the current Z06 but the stock C5 Z06 has enough balls to put you in enough trouble and the handling and braking chops to eat up practically anything else out there. I don't even know where you would get traction or use first gear.

I think it is sad when people take such perfectly molded cars (Corvette in particular) and ruin the balance.

[mole']

I'm very curious where you guys would drive a car with 550+ HP (Z06 TT or that Camaro, AB). I love cars but cars like that are pointless besides a 1/4, IMO. I love the current Z06 but the stock C5 Z06 has enough balls to put you in enough trouble and the handling and braking chops to eat up practically anything else out there. I don't even know where you would get traction or use first gear.

I think it is sad when people take such perfectly molded cars (Corvette in particular) and ruin the balance.

i get what your saying, thats why i picked another SRT-4. one for race and one for DD.