Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

[pmckeealaska]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39402453/ns/today-entertainment/

Among this years nominees: Bon Jovi and the Beastie Boys. Once again, Rush is denied. The hall becomes more and more irrelevant every year. Total and complete bull****.

[dkg999]

Let's see, didn't Madonna make it in prior to Alice Cooper? Nuff said about credibility.

[mhardy6647]

Let's see, didn't Madonna make it in prior to Alice Cooper? Nuff said about credibility.

ummm...

[dkg999]

ummm...

Let me clarify my statement, as in the R&RHoF has no credibility

[sda2mike]

coop is cool...ballad of dwight frye (?) should be what get's him in IMHO:p did uncle ted ever get in..if anyone can, he's our man for knocking madona down a coupla pegs! nuge!!!:cool:

[Danny Tse]

Bon Jovi and the Beastie Boys are a lock. I'd like to see Chic get in though.

Where's Chicago (the band), Moody Blues, and Heart?

[Face]

http://face.cleanandquiet.com/store/Hall%20of%20Shame.jpg

[vc69]

Bon Jovi and the Beastie Boys are a lock. I'd like to see Chic get in though.

Where's Chicago (the band), Moody Blues, and Heart?

+1 Tony Thompson deserves some props (along with Nile Rogers and Bernard Thompson). Those dudes were/are powerhouses.

[Danny Tse]

+1 Tony Thompson deserves some props (along with Nile Rogers and Bernard Thompson).

You mean Bernard Edwards

Power Station, anyone remember those guys? Tony Thompson's drums were monster.

[vc69]

You mean Bernard Edwards

Power Station, anyone remember those guys? Tony Thompson's drums were monster.

LoL... yes I do mean Bernard Edwards.

Saw Power Station in summer of '85 in Jackson Ms. No Robert Palmer though. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Station_%28band%29#History) Bummer

[hockeyboy]

We get this thread every year and it gets more relevant each year. I think they are purposely snubbing Kiss (10 gold & 10 platinum) and Rush (24 gold & 14 platinum) just to stay in the press.

[indyhawg]

I will not be visiting the R&R Hall of Fame until Rush is inducted.

[camp21178]

We get this thread every year and it gets more relevant each year. I think they are purposely snubbing Kiss (10 gold & 10 platinum) and Rush (24 gold & 14 platinum) just to stay in the press.

I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're probably right. They are letting in a bunch of rappers though. I didn't think that was Rock and Roll.

[obieone]

I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're probably right. They are letting in a bunch of rappers though. I didn't think that was Rock and Roll.


Don't worry, it's NOT!;)

If Rush ever does get in, I hope they pull a no-show.
The RRHOF is run by douchnozzles. Period.

[hockeyboy]

Douchebaggery. I call Shenannigans.

[Keiko]

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/39402453/ns/today-entertainment/

Among this years nominees: Bon Jovi and the Beastie Boys. Once again, Rush is denied. The hall becomes more and more irrelevant every year. Total and complete bull****.

If I were Alex, Geddy and Neil, I'd distance myself as far as possible from that crock of doo doo organization anyway.

[txcoastal1]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands

[Keiko]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands

The Bee Gees :p

[Danny Tse]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands


The Bee Gees :p

And Cream. Both the Bee Gees and Cream are in the R&R Hall of Fame though.

Looks like Neil Diamond, Alice Cooper (band), Darlene Love, Dr. John, and Tom Waits have been voted into the Hall. (http://www.npr.org/2010/12/15/132071870/alice-cooper-darlene-love-neil-diamond-in-hall?ft=1&f=1001)

[Keiko]

I quess Rock n Roll has become a very diverse genre. (Pardon me, I'm just thinking/typing out loud)

[hearingimpared]

UGH!!!:rolleyes:

[Midnite Mick]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands

ZZTop

[lunazul]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands

Gotta put Cream right up there.

:redface:Just saw this in previous post

[decal]

Why do people get so bent out of shape about the RRHOF? It means absolutely nothing.All "best of" , "hall of fame" , "award show" or whatever else some marketing genius comes up with are all the same pile of crap(and a way for someone to make a lot of money!!).Just my opinion,nothing more.By all means,feel free to disagree.

[steveinaz]

Where's:

Rush
Styx
Journey
Boston
Def Leppard

Beastie Boys? Are you f*ckin kidding me? They are a bad joke at best.

[Keiko]

Where's:

Rush
Styx
Journey
Boston
Def Leppard

Beastie Boys? Are you f*ckin kidding me? They are a bad joke at best.

I think it would be a dis-service to Rush inducting them into the company of groups such as The Beastiality Boys & Run Like Hell DMC.... etc. etc.

JMHO :wink:

[halo71]

Come on.....The Beastie Boys?? :rolleyes::frown:

[hockeyboy]

Yea but you have to remember the Beastie Boys know how to fight for thier right...

[LessisNevermore]

The Beastiality Boys.. etc. etc.

JMHO :wink:

Different band. The one you mention, was known for their song "You Gotta Fight For A Tight Young Donkey" (sing it, it works):biggrin:

[nooshinjohn]

And Neil Diamond??? I know the man, and the last thing he would ever see himself as is a rocker. I have always enjoyed Neil and think he is hugely talented, but this one is hgard for me to swallow. I bet he is saying to himself "how the hell did that happen?"

For Kiss and Rush to NOT get in and an old school crooner like Neil to make it shows there is something very wrong at the R&RHOF.

[55LS70]

Unless he was inducted recently, I don't think Dick Dale has made it.

[inspiredsports]

It started out as a good idea, and the memorabilia and displays are fairly well done. But as usual, politics has included many artists who don't belong, and excluded many, many great artists who do.

[hearingimpared]

It started out as a good idea, and the memorabilia and displays are fairly well done. But as usual, politics has included many artists who don't belong, and excluded many, many great artists who do.

Very well said Greg!:frown:

[kefranklin]

At least Leon finally made it. Elton must really have some pull.

[George Grand]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands

Um...The Jimi Hendrix Experience? Cream? They weren't late to the party either. They pioneered the party.

Blue Cheer trumps those guys in sheer originality for gods sake.

[shack]

Rush and Triumph where else can you get more music out of 3 man bands


ZZTop


Um...The Jimi Hendrix Experience? Cream? They weren't late to the party either. They pioneered the party.

George is right on with this...those two are THE 3 man groups of the late 60s. Early ZZ Top was kick ass as well...before they started pandering to the MTV video crowd.

While these may not make a lot of lists...they are on MY list for 3 man groups better than Rush and Triumph (in addition to Jimi, Cream and ZZ).

Emerson Lake and Palmer
The Police
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble

[phipiper10]

I'd agree the term Rock N' roll is now used pretty loosely. I see Rolling Stone Magazine do this all the time when the refer to Rock bands and include people like Madonna in a list of bands etc. I want to jump through the roof. Not because I do or don't like her but because "Madonna" is not in a "band".

There are a lot of early musicians before the 60s who never got the credit they deserved. They were probably cheated out of credit for their work as well as money along the way and countless since then too

As for the Beastie Boys I'd say they had a greater impact on music overall and over a longer period and for more people than many, including some previously named. I'm not saying they are more talented musicians just that their place is warranted. Check out the mix-up album it's a long way from Fight for your Right. (Not a word or lyric in there) The Beasties have evolved more than most bands, rappers, singer songwriters etc.

The Rock n Roll HOF is still cool to visit.

[comfortablycurt]

What's with all the hate for the Beastie Boys? Anyone who says they don't deserve that has never really listened to much of their music. Their music spreads across a wide range of genres...and I would definitely call it rock and roll. No...it's not rock and roll in the Beatles/Stones/Chuck Berry type of sense...but rock and roll is a genre that has kind of expanded and come to encompass a lot more than it did 40-50 years ago. The Beasties have some awesome music...especially if you dig groovin' rhythms and good timin'. They know how to both rock...and roll.

Their impact on music has been very widespread too...much more so than many others that have been inducted.

But...I agree that the RR HOF is basically a joke anyway.

[univera]

No, doubt. No disrespect to either band, but they aren't in the caliber of real-deal rockers, Rush. Name a 3 piece that makes more talented noise!

[mhardy6647]

Well... the Who was a three-piece band with a vocalist.

[wz2p7j]

Post deleted - I see what you are saying

[comfortablycurt]

No, doubt. No disrespect to either band, but they aren't in the caliber of real-deal rockers, Rush. Name a 3 piece that makes more talented noise!

I would put the Beastie Boys leaps and bounds ahead of Rush. If I had to pick 5 rock bands that I hate the most...Rush would be on that list. They are one of the most god awful bands of all time.

And don't say that it's because I haven't listened to the right Rush albums...cuz I've heard nearly all of their stuff. Their albums are all equally terrible.

If I were to go to hell...it's inevitable that I'd end up being doomed to spend all of eternity listening to Rush...because there would be no greater way of torturing me.

[Tour2ma]

George is right on with this...those two (The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Cream) are THE 3 man groups of the late 60s. Early ZZ Top was kick ass as well...before they started pandering to the MTV video crowd.

While these may not make a lot of lists...they are on MY list for 3 man groups better than Rush and Triumph (in addition to Jimi, Cream and ZZ).

Emerson Lake and Palmer
The Police
Stevie Ray Vaughan and Double Trouble+1 excepting I'd sub James Gang for The Police...

[hearingimpared]

+1 excepting I'd sub James Gang for The Police...

HEAD NAIL HAMMER!!!:wink:

[shack]

+1 excepting I'd sub James Gang for The Police...


HEAD NAIL HAMMER!!!:wink:

I like Joe Walsh and ergo the James Gang a lot. I am not that familiar with the group prior to his joining but to me the James Gang is Joe Walsh. It was during Walsh’s time with the band that they had any commercial success…but limited even then. The James Gang went through several different groups of musicians…sometimes 4…sometimes 3. Some of them were quite good…with Jimmy Fox being the only constant. I think that with Walsh in the forefront they were a very good band.

On the other hand Sting was the face of the Police and gets a lot of credit as such…but Andy Summers and especially Stewart Copeland are considered excellent musicians in their own right. Plus they stayed together through the entire life of the band…those three and those three only. Again I really like Joe Walsh and all that he has done including all his work with the James Gang (I have a copy all the albums with Joe) but the James Gang’s body of work simply does not rise to the level of the Police, either from a commercial standpoint or an innovation standpoint. You may not particularly like the Police…but the combination of rock, reggae, funk, jazz, punk…was something that was different from anything that had preceded it.

If we are talking Joe Walsh and Sting...they are probably equals in my mind...but Sting has been a bit more "adventuresome" in his musical journey…but Walsh it just the epitome of a “Rock and Roller”.

Again, I know we are talking about who should be in the R&R HOF...but the fact is...The Police are in the HOF and the James Gang aren’t…and probably never will be. Walsh is in as a member of The Eagles. He may make it into the hall by himself…IMO he probably should…but maybe not.

[sda2mike]

mahogany rush

[hearingimpared]

I like Joe Walsh and ergo the James Gang a lot. I am not that familiar with the group prior to his joining but to me the James Gang is Joe Walsh. It was during Walsh’s time with the band that they had any commercial success…but limited even then. The James Gang went through several different groups of musicians…sometimes 4…sometimes 3. Some of them were quite good…with Jimmy Fox being the only constant. I think that with Walsh in the forefront they were a very good band.

On the other hand Sting was the face of the Police and gets a lot of credit as such…but Andy Summers and especially Stewart Copeland are considered excellent musicians in their own right. Plus they stayed together through the entire life of the band…those three and those three only. Again I really like Joe Walsh and all that he has done including all his work with the James Gang (I have a copy all the albums with Joe) but the James Gang’s body of work simply does not rise to the level of the Police, either from a commercial standpoint or an innovation standpoint. You may not particularly like the Police…but the combination of rock, reggae, funk, jazz, punk…was something that was different from anything that had preceded it.

If we are talking Joe Walsh and Sting...they are probably equals in my mind...but Sting has been a bit more "adventuresome" in his musical journey…but Walsh it just the epitome of a “Rock and Roller”.

Again, I know we are talking about who should be in the R&R HOF...but the fact is...The Police are in the HOF and the James Gang aren’t…and probably never will be. Walsh is in as a member of The Eagles. He may make it into the hall by himself…IMO he probably should…but maybe not.

I love the Police and have everything they've done probably on both vinyl and CD and most of Sting's solo albums Steve . I just think the RRHOF should be examining the great ones by years not by sales. Some of the GREAT ONES have been overlooked by them due to popularity rather than merit IMHO.

[shack]

I love the Police and have everything they've done probably on both vinyl and CD and most of Sting's solo albums Steve . I just think the RRHOF should be examining the great ones by years not by sales. Some of the GREAT ONES have been overlooked by them due to popularity rather than merit IMHO.

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...with the operative word here being Fame and/or famous IMO. It’s not the Rock and Roll Hall of Merit. Sales are a measure of popularity by the fans...and by definition isn't it the fans the HOF is for? Unless you want the selections made solely on the opinion of the so-called "experts" then there has to be some sort of measurable fan data used. Longevity just means they were able to stick around for a long time and there are lots of journeymen that have been around for a long time that will never be HOF material. At least a lot of album sales mean enough fans liked them to buy a lot of their albums. Maybe concert ticket sales could/should also be a measurable consideration. The number of albums or concert tickets sold are probably the ONLY truly objective measures with all the rest being subjective. I guess "chart" rankings are objective…but in reality they're just another measure of sales.

Of course both objective and subjective criteria should be considered.

Merit IS a key factor...but it is totally subjective. ie: It appears you (and I know for a fact Bruce) would include the James Gang in the HOF. And as much as I like them...I would not. Determining merit ain't always that easy.

[jflail2]

I would put the Beastie Boys leaps and bounds ahead of Rush. If I had to pick 5 rock bands that I hate the most...Rush would be on that list. They are one of the most god awful bands of all time.

And don't say that it's because I haven't listened to the right Rush albums...cuz I've heard nearly all of their stuff. Their albums are all equally terrible.

If I were to go to hell...it's inevitable that I'd end up being doomed to spend all of eternity listening to Rush...because there would be no greater way of torturing me.

LOL, preach it curt. I am also in the Rush hating minority. I don't know if it's Geddy's voice, the nonsensical lyrics, or both, but I just can't do it....

And while I don't subscribe to any of the "best of" or "hall of fame" picks, the R&RHOF has especially missed their mark. Football gets it right for the most part, which is kind of surprising to me in retrospect.

[hearingimpared]

Rock and Roll Hall of Fame...with the operative word here being Fame and/or famous IMO. It’s not the Rock and Roll Hall of Merit. Sales are a measure of popularity by the fans...and by definition isn't it the fans the HOF is for? Unless you want the selections made solely on the opinion of the so-called "experts" then there has to be some sort of measurable fan data used. Longevity just means they were able to stick around for a long time and there are lots of journeymen that have been around for a long time that will never be HOF material. At least a lot of album sales mean enough fans liked them to buy a lot of their albums. Maybe concert ticket sales could/should also be a measurable consideration. The number of albums or concert tickets sold are probably the ONLY truly objective measures with all the rest being subjective. I guess "chart" rankings are objective…but in reality they're just another measure of sales.

Of course both objective and subjective criteria should be considered.

Merit IS a key factor...but it is totally subjective. ie: It appears you (and I know for a fact Bruce) would include the James Gang in the HOF. And as much as I like them...I would not. Determining merit ain't always that easy.

You make an excellent point here Steve but isn't already a subjective list by "experts" and not peers?


LOL, preach it curt. I am also in the Rush hating minority. I don't know if it's Geddy's voice, the nonsensical lyrics, or both, but I just can't do it....

And while I don't subscribe to any of the "best of" or "hall of fame" picks, the R&RHOF has especially missed their mark. Football gets it right for the most part, which is kind of surprising to me in retrospect.

:eek::eek::eek: Very well said Ollie except for the Rush and Geddy statement!!!:biggrin: I know he's not much to look at but he sure can belt them out!

[Tour2ma]

I like Joe Walsh and ergo the James Gang a lot. I know you do, because you have excellent taste in music…

for the most part…


except when you disagree with me… :D


By the time I joined the thread it had rerailed to a power trio discussion (a much more interesting discussion IMO). I think in that light my substitution is more than understandable. But yes, given a choice between The James Gang and The Police, I’m going with my home boys.

James Gang Rides Again is one of the 50 or so LP’s on my All-time, Top 20 list.

Edit: I was never arguing for or against anybody being in the Hall... but if commercial success is the criteria when will Brittany Spears get her due???