Going to give Epik a shot

[VR3]

I ordered the Legend ---

I figure I will give the lil guy a shot

It will be for music only

[leroyjr1]

I think you'll be very happy. I've heard nothing but great things about their subs.

[dcmartinpc]

I have a sentinel, and I am getting a second from Leroy here! You will love that sub. Epik makes some great units!

Don

[VR3]

It has some steep competition from the Tylers as far as accuracy, texture, control -- so we shall see how this unfolds

[leroyjr1]

It has some steep competition from the Tylers as far as accuracy, texture, control -- so we shall see how this unfolds


Just remember it's a $499 sub.:smile:

[VR3]

I know that is what intrigues me about it.

[math wizard]

Go for it. I have an Epik Knight which was purchased new for $599. Don't let the low price fool you.

[VR3]

Will be here Wednesday

[falconcry72]

Will be here Wednesday

That's good... it probably would have been nest Monday if not Wednesday.

Let us know how it works out; I'm on the fence about getting one, and I would also be using it only for music.

[sandworms]

I am also curious about how you like the legend, I am considering it for my 2100+ cf living room

[leroyjr1]

Any updates?

[VR3]

At Fedex till the morning

[AudioGenics]

good luck with Epik Legend Subwoofer dual 12″ drivers
no cabinet vibration in a sub seems interesting if their claims are right.
you may also want to get the Epik Subwoofers Tees to match they
now also have available.

[Ern Dog]

I'm interested in hearing how it stacks up against your dual Tyler Acoustics subs and your vpms.

[SolidSqual]

Finally! I've been waiting for someone with an ear I trust to pickup one of these subs. No offense to anyone else, but I cannot wait for our review Trey.

Later,

Mike

[VR3]

haha - I appreciate the compliment...

I already have a beef with it - the 50hz crossover is limiting like no ones business...

Either way other than it may be a bitch to blend -

I will know more on sound, build, etc tonight.

[VR3]

Ok - I know this damn thing is 499 but why the hell cant they put a LEFT and RIGHT input as well as LFE.

What a crock-o-****

[VR3]

I seriously am not very happy. Doing a quick run over Epik's subwoofer line up - not a single friggin sub has RIGHT AND LEFT inputs.

I can not short the outputs of my preamp together either to bring it one - I tried. No go.

I did run one in the crossover and one in the LFE and that did not negatively effect my preamp at all..

So I am thinking about picking up this -

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=266-250&source=googleps

I plan on keeping it crossed at 50 -

[VR3]

Ok - now that I am over this stupid design - Id like to comment this sub is the least music friendly subwoofer I have ever owned and does not look like the Empire has fixed the issue at all.

50 hz crossover? Please. There happens to be some speakers out there that still have balls below 50hz and a subwoofer is not needed until 40-30hz

One input for the crossover? W-T-F

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Ok - I am done bitching... Ill come back to this thread on Wednesday when these in line crossovers get here.

[leroyjr1]

What about HT?

[VR3]

Really thinking I should have went with SVS for 50 more ---

http://svsound.com/Reviews/sta400d_hr_cropped.jpg

[VR3]

I wont be using it for HT.. sorry..

My VMPS could eat this sub for breakfast.

[leroyjr1]

I thought vmps was a very musical sub?

[VR3]

My system is weird... It is divided into two systems but at the same time being one system.

Goes like this...

CDP > Preamp > Amp > Speakers - so if I want to run a sub in this system I have to run on the second outs on the Preamp...

On the HT side of things...

It goes Source > Receiver > Preamp (For mains) > Amp (For surrounds/center skip previous step) > Speakers - so the sub (VMPS) just runs on the LFE out....

The reason why I ultimately do not want to run the VMPS in the 2 channel rig is just the inability to tweak and move it. The Epik is small by comparison and relatively light weight (40 lbs vs. 140 lbs) - it is inexpensive and should provide me with the extension I need - but the problem with it may be the xover point is so high that I wont be able to blend it without a huge 50-40hz bump...

Either way, I more so wanted to see what Epik was all about and from a features stand point so far they SUCK.

Sound I dont know because the features suck so bad I cant even plug it up.

If the FMODs dont work - Ill return it and get the SVS which has a 30hz variable filter, right and left INS and OUTS! (GET OUT OF HERE!!!)

[Ern Dog]

Shoot, why not keep your dual Tyler subs? Moving from those to the Epik seems like a downgrade.

[VR3]

Money one --- but the Crossover mods fixed the initial reason why I got the Tyler Subs...

I was going to rock no subs for a while but when I realized what I was missing down deep I figured I would search for a cheap alternative.

The Tyler subs are already sold - but I am not sure I would keep them at this point as I am just ready to try different subs, I like messing around with subs.

[VR3]

I will say this - from running one input the Epik has alot more tone than the SVS I had previously - so I think if the FMODs can do their thing, this sub may work for the purpose I am needing...

Shall see - Ill post more when I can hook it up properly...

[danz1906]

I will say this - from running one input the Epik has alot more tone than the SVS I had previously - so I think if the FMODs can do their thing, this sub may work for the purpose I am needing...

Shall see - Ill post more when I can hook it up properly...

Which SVS sub did you have? I hear that the Martin Logan subwoofers
are good for 2ch music. I too, run both a 2ch and HT system together.
I use a M&K dual 8in driver sub for 2ch music, and the SVS Ultra-13 for
HT.

[Conradicles]

Trey, I think you should build a sub to match your needs!

[Face]

Trey, I knew you've been eying these: http://madisound.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=183&products_id=8535

And the matching PR: https://www.madisound.com/store/product_info.php?manufacturers_id=183&products_id=8867

PR, ported, and sealed application notes here: https://www.madisound.com/store/manuals/L26ROY_Application_Note.pdf

[VR3]

I had the PCi 25-31. My Dad had the old Ultra - lots of rumble but no tone or texture...

My budget if I am going to make a sub work will be around 500 - looks like that will be hard to do.. lol

[SolidSqual]

Trey, I've had several of the SVS subs and I don't think you start hearing the texture of the music or movie until you spend a grand. But, who knows. Their sealed box subs may be better.

[treitz3]

I thought vmps was a very musical sub?It is. It is damn near perfect when coupled with an SMS-1.

[Nhpm510]

+1 for epik legend.
I am not much of a believer in burn-in, but by day 3 it seemed to come alive.

[danz1906]

Trey, I've had several of the SVS subs and I don't think you start hearing the texture of the music or movie until you spend a grand. But, who knows. Their sealed box subs may be better.

Agreed, the Ultra-13 is great sub for Movie. I think if used with the SVS
AS-EQ1 sub EQ it can be good Music sub also.

[SolidSqual]

I've heard the Antimode 8033 in use. It is a superb subwoofer EQ. Really, I can't imagine having a sub in my 2-channel system without this thing.

http://www.dspeaker.com/

[danz1906]

I've heard the Antimode 8033 in use. It is a superb subwoofer EQ. Really, I can't imagine having a sub in my 2-channel system without this thing.

http://www.dspeaker.com/

Thanks,that looks like a sweet piece!

[Nhpm510]

Any idea how it is different than say what's on my receiver now? (odyssey)

[SolidSqual]

Are you asking if Odyssey is better than a receiver? It depends, likely yes, especially for the money.

[pearsall001]

I've heard the Antimode 8033 in use. It is a superb subwoofer EQ. Really, I can't imagine having a sub in my 2-channel system without this thing.

http://www.dspeaker.com/

True dat!!!! I just added on to my system, now my dual Velo's are performing like I never heard them before. Simple to use & priced right. Highly recommended for both HT & two channel.

[VR3]

Does anyone know if you use the LFE and the crossover inputs on this sub if it will actually use both simultaneously or cancel the other out?

I am stuck at work pondering this thing and will test it when I get home with two different sources...

Thanks

[treitz3]

Any idea how it is different than say what's on my receiver now? (odyssey)Are you talking about Audessy (Not so sure about the spelling on that) [Auto EQ on an AVR] or Odyssey [Amplifier/Preamplifier]? The two are completely different things.

[VR3]

As far the Ultra goes - If I am going to spend 1,500 bucks it will be another VMPS larger loaded with the TC Sound woofers -- the Ultra would not stand a chance against that behemoth...

I refuse to use EQs...

I dont know if this will work. If it does not work and I decide not to keep the Epik - Ill take that money and do something else with it - not sure. I honestly just do not want a SVS subwoofer.

[VR3]

Tom how are you liking the Tylers?

[danz1906]

As far the Ultra goes - If I am going to spend 1,500 bucks it will be another VMPS larger loaded with the TC Sound woofers -- the Ultra would not stand a chance against that behemoth...

I refuse to use EQs...

I dont know if this will work. If it does not work and I decide not to keep the Epik - Ill take that money and do something else with it - not sure. I honestly just do not want a SVS subwoofer.

If it's in your budget, the JL Audio F113 is Excellent on Music and Very
good on Movies. No need for a EQ with the JL.

[leroyjr1]

As far the Ultra goes - If I am going to spend 1,500 bucks it will be another VMPS larger loaded with the TC Sound woofers -- the Ultra would not stand a chance against that behemoth...

I refuse to use EQs...

I dont know if this will work. If it does not work and I decide not to keep the Epik - Ill take that money and do something else with it - not sure. I honestly just do not want a SVS subwoofer.



I'd like to see that shootout.

Ultra vs VMPS

[Conradicles]

I refuse to use EQs...

Just curious...Why?

[VR3]

Im a purest, I dont like s@#t in the chain.

EQs are for systems that dont sound good out of the box. IMO.

The Larger with TC Sounds woofers (2,000 watts continuous, 8,000 peak) - 11hz tuning, 12" and 15" capable of 3.5" of excursion with a PR that moves 3.5" -- the Ultra would not stand a chance...

[pearsall001]

Im a purest, I dont like s@#t in the chain.

EQs are for systems that dont sound good out of the box. IMO.

The Larger with TC Sounds woofers (2,000 watts continuous, 8,000 peak) - 11hz tuning, 12" and 15" capable of 3.5" of excursion with a PR that moves 3.5" -- the Ultra would not stand a chance...

You can only take things so far unless you have a perfect room...which doesn't exist. The EQ will get you closer.

Hmmmmm...I see you're a purist & don't like s@#t in the chain, yet you have MIT cables throughout adding **** with those magic black boxes. Unless of course there's nothing in them. Hmmmmm, interesting!! :wink:

[VR3]

MIT is different - its a passive component that makes it sound better...

EQs are pure noise and are another connection between my pre and amp.

I like to keep it simple.

Now I could see connecting it only to the sub - in which case I would have no issues, I just dont understand how it would properly blend to the mains.

[VR3]

Well I was able to use the LFE and Crossover input at the same time - so these FMOD xovers should work and it should be easy to blend after that... I hope...

[VR3]

Well I have been thinking about this all day...

I am sending this subwoofer back and canceling my FMOD order.

After thinking about how I could make it work - I realized that this is just retarded...

I do not understand why they did this.

Either way - I wish Epik the best of the luck, but dollar for dollar - their features are horrible.

[pearsall001]

MIT is different - its a passive component that makes it sound better...

EQs are pure noise and are another connection between my pre and amp.

I like to keep it simple.

Now I could see connecting it only to the sub - in which case I would have no issues, I just dont understand how it would properly blend to the mains.

Passive or not it's still another kink in the chain...but if you like it...that's cool.

Read up on different EQ units out there, I think you'll be pleasantly suprised what you find. I just added on of these guys & it's phenominal!!

What you thought was good bass will became "INCREDIBLE" bass!
http://www.dspeaker.com/en/home.shtml

[VR3]

Hmmm - I may look into it for my HT subwoofer ---

MIT cables are one of the best investments I have made so far...

[VR3]

Oh yeah - forgot to mention that Epik inflates their shipping charges or they need to work out a far better deal with their carriers....

63 bucks to ship this bad boy. Not to mention there is no way it weighs 80 pounds.

[pearsall001]

Dang! It's a shame you've had such bad luck with your Epic purchase. From your previous posts it sounded like you were pretty excited. At least you gave it a shot & have 1st hand experience in the matter. Your new project looks promising!! Good luck with it.

[treitz3]

Trey, you should look into it for your 2-channel rig as well. The VMPS never did sound quite right until I hooked the mains and the sub to the Velodyne SMS-1. What it does is it takes the mains and seamlessly blends it to the sub and then both to the room. Until this is done, you are not realizing the potential of what a sub can really do for you in a 2-channel rig. It really does make an amazing difference when it comes to the lower registers.

If you would like, I'll let you borrow my SMS-1 for a stint and that way you'll know first hand what it can do. Call me when you get up or get back home and we'll discuss it and what you PM'd me about.

[Ron Temple]

Does anyone know if you use the LFE and the crossover inputs on this sub if it will actually use both simultaneously or cancel the other out?

I am stuck at work pondering this thing and will test it when I get home with two different sources...

ThanksLFE disables the crossover on the sub in lieu of the xover on the AVR or pre. The input labelled crossover enables the onboard crossover.

[VR3]

Just to let everyone know...

Epik charged me 63.00 dollars to ship this subwoofer to me..

I can ship it back to them for a whopping 24.35

The subwoofer only weighs 65 pounds boxed up versus the 80 they claim.

[Sherardp]

Just to let everyone know...

Epik charged me 63.00 dollars to ship this subwoofer to me..

I can ship it back to them for a whopping 24.35

The subwoofer only weighs 65 pounds boxed up versus the 80 they claim.

The remaining charge was for handling, hence the term shipping & handling. I kid you bro. I heard good things about Epik. So what's next?

[VR3]

No sub in the 2 channel - atleast not for a while.

I dont think there is a sub that can produce the bass I want in the price I want to spend for it.

The Super Towers have such tone and texture in the bass and are extending down to 30hz with the mods - I dont really feel a need for a sub except 30hz to 20hz and there is so little material in that range... ya know?

[leroyjr1]

Any updates on how the Epik is performing?

Thanks

[janmike]

For music only Trey, you need to check out REL.

[Karen at Epik]

Hey guys, Karen here from Epik Subwoofers.

Just read the post about shipping costs and wanted to post a quick reply.

Our web ordering system uses a live feed directly from FedEx to calculate shipping costs, so they are our actual charges to the penny.

They take into account our daily pickup charge, residential home delivery, insurance and signature fees.

When Vr3MxStyler2k3 returned his sub specifically (which by the way is our only Legend return to date), many of these same charges were removed. That is, we are a commercial location. It costs much less to ship to commercial addresses than residential. Additionally, Vr3MxStyler2k3 may not have used a daily pickup, insured the package or required signature, which can also account for the difference in cost.

We apologize the subwoofer did not work out for you Vr3MxStyler2k3 and hope my explanation might help you feel better about your experience with Epik.

We hope you find a sub that will work great for you!

All the best,

Karen L.

[leroyjr1]

Hey guys, Karen here from Epik Subwoofers.

Just read the post about shipping costs and wanted to post a quick reply.

Our web ordering system uses a live feed directly from FedEx to calculate shipping costs, so they are our actual charges to the penny.

They take into account our daily pickup charge, residential home delivery, insurance and signature fees.

When Vr3MxStyler2k3 returned his sub specifically (which by the way is our only Legend return to date), many of these same charges were removed. That is, we are a commercial location. It costs much less to ship to commercial addresses than residential. Additionally, Vr3MxStyler2k3 may not have used a daily pickup, insured the package or required signature, which can also account for the difference in cost.

We apologize the subwoofer did not work out for you Vr3MxStyler2k3 and hope my explanation might help you feel better about your experience with Epik.

We hope you find a sub that will work great for you!

All the best,

Karen L.



Wow, great customer service.

[phocion]

Wow, great customer service.

Sort of customer service, but more along the lines of brand protection.

On the other hand, at least they care enough about their product and business practices to explain and defend them.

After reading this thread, I hope Karen takes some of the commentary back to design and production. By the time I can find the room for an Empire they might have all the gripes fixed :biggrin:

[leroyjr1]

Sort of customer service, but more along the lines of brand protection.

On the other hand, at least they care enough about their product and business practices to explain and defend them.

After reading this thread, I hope Karen takes some of the commentary back to design and production. By the time I can find the room for an Empire they might have all the gripes fixed :biggrin:


No "sort of", their CS is outstanding and have taken care of any problem that has come up. Only negative is they're hard to get a hold of sometimes as they're not a big company with a human answering machine

[Polkie2009]

+1 on OUTSTANDING customer service. Thank you Karen ,this is one of the main reasons I support Epik Subwoofers. In this day and age, it's almost nonexistent to find a company that would take the time to explain this on a public forum. I highly doubt Velodyne or Definitive Technology would do this. REL? I really doubt it.

[phocion]

This particular case is an example of good online brand management, not necessarily an exposition of outstanding customer service.

They did nothing "outstanding" for Vr3MxStyler2k3, merely explaining to him why their shipping costs differed. That is regular customer service you should expect from any respectable company.

Coming on here and explaining to everyone why their shipping costs differ, and mentioning that this is the only sub ever returned... that is savvy online brand management and protection :)

I am sure that there are other instances of outstanding customer service that you are aware of, but this particular interaction does not meet the bar of "outstanding" in my book. It does, however, affirm my view of Epik as a respectable company with whom I look forward to doing business with in the future.

[VR3]

Hmmm

I skimmed this - but a few things

1) I shipped from a commercial location. (my place of business)
2) It was signature required
3) It was insured for the full 499.00

Fact of the matter is it was over charged from actual shipping.

Either way, the sub was built well and Epik took care of me as far as a refund.

I should not have ever ordered it based on the connections - my bad.