The SVS has landed!!!!!!

[faster100]

I just received the SVS pb1 alittle earlier.. watched some key parts of Jurrasic park 3, and Monsters is on now.. The scene where Boo cries and then pops the light bulb.. 114 db peak on the meter about 8foot from the front of the sub.. pretty damm great!! I am soo impressed with this sub its uncanny.. I have alot of demo stuff to do and go pick up my copy of LOTR EE tonight.. had it on layaway so it gotta buy it tonight.. Man this thing is huge and heavy.. I lifted it out of the box myself and i through my back out somewhat.. Its a problem back as it is, now its hurting.. Oh well the price you pay, LOL Reviews later to come tonight!!

Thanks ED, thanks for all the help and chooseing this sub, The 404, what 404... that wasn't bass at all.. a rumble box at best. compared to this, worked great until you try a "real" sub..


Oh and i dig the color, tired of the basic black.. This is sweet

[VR3]

My Towers arrived today.......Dad has to bring em by.

Woody Jacobs (im sending your RT25i and CS245i out today also) this is the ship receive week!

[brettw22]

Originally posted by faster100
Oh and i dig the color, tired of the basic black.. This is sweet That color actually matches something else in your room huh? Power to ya, but it looks like a sandbox creation.........(congrats btw)

[HBombToo]

ler er RIP!!! Looks like no work today!

Congrats

HBomb

[Dr. Spec]

Look at Sid hi-jacking the friggin thread on the first post. Jeeeezus.....

Glad you are digging the PB1-ISD. It looks pretty cool in house. Wow, that's some SPL at 8 feet! Three cheers for for room gain!

I'm really glad that this is an alternate brand friendly forum. Polk must really get sick of new SVS owners bashing their formerly acceptable Polk sub.

Most people who upgrade to an SVS immediately consider it to be the best investment (bang for the buck) and equipment upgrade they ever made. I truly hope you feel that way, and I know that $600+ was a big stretch.

I do feel somewhat responsible for owner satisfaction when someone spends big money on an upgrade that I personally recommended.

Besides the big SPL numbers, please post your impressions about accuracy, flatness, lack of boom, deep extension, musicality, etc. In other words, how does the sub sound for both HT and music?

Also, I thought I saw (no lie) LOTR-EE at Wal-Mart for $15.98 on DVD. I almost bought it just for the price.

[faster100]

Thanks Spec, I have alot of listening to do to get a better review rolling, will update




Brett,

Its not a matter of matching, in decorating its called contrast.. LOL
Its kinda close to the cherry 70's.. and some other items in the room that have a tan/rose pink.. natural wood shelves kinda deco..


I have an open foundation and wood floor so i think i may be needing some granite or slate for underneath it..

walmart here wants $28.99 for LOTR EE 4 disk set

[brettw22]

Jeez...you do know that us gays are familiar with decorating and the concept of contrast, right? ;)

I dunno......it just looks weird to me. I guess that in my heart of hearts, I've come to accept that a sub is black and looks good that way. The ONLY exception that I would make to this rule is the maple type of stain that the behemeth (sp?) SVS box bu-4 (i think without looking). That thing is just effin BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!

[faster100]

Its different i give that to ya, One i got it asap.. no wait, i got something unique, I'm not in love with the color, nor do i think its ugly though.. It looks so massive and again unique it just works for me.. It looks like a part of the room instead of a huge black box, with no influence on the decor or function of the room.. It could serve as a shelf for something... Plus when you have something this cool, who wants it to blend away.. when people come over i love the "wow" effect.. what the hell is that Cliff??? NOt ah just another subwoofer or black boat anchor.. LOL

I admit seeing this now, The gray stone would have been to loud for me, this is a subtle color.

[Loud & Clear]

She's strange, but then again I like strange. She's a unique piece and therefore has her own inherent value. She'll no doubt grow on you and become very special to you. She's like a pet with a special characteristic, perhaps differently colored paws or a missing ear, that endears her to you. And like all pets, one day you'll wonder why it is that you're always trying to get her to lick peanut butter off of your wiener. Whoops, not sure why I went in that direction...


Congrats on the SVS, looks and no doubt sounds like a true winner.

[ken brydson]

AWESOME!!!
I'm still trying to talk the wife into a new sub. I'm leaning toward the PB1 but I've got a pretty large room (15X30X8) with openings at either end into another room the same size. How big is your room?

[VR3]

Doc,
Was my way of congradulating.....sorry bout that...

Faster, that sub looks alot better than SVS makes it out to be. Boom away I say!

[faster100]

Thanks MX,

My room is small 12 x11' with the 12 foot being where my couch to tv are, These things are huge, can't imagine how big the pb2 is..

Its working great, my wife got home, i threw in jurrassic park 3 dts and she was like WOW!! enough said, my job is done.. wife is happy..

Long as she don't want to put a curtain on it with lace. LOL

[RuSsMaN]

Now faster has been transported to Bass Zen Whoopie.

It's really hard to explain to people the difference in a REAL subwoofer, vs your avg 'powered woofer in a box'. (not that anything is wrong with the woof-in-box, I own 4 such creatures)

You now have that 'understanding'. Enjoy!

Cheers,
Rooster

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by Loud & Clear
And like all pets, one day you'll wonder why it is that you're always trying to get her to lick peanut butter off of your wiener. Whoops, not sure why I went in that direction...

Loud:

I've been meaning to tell you - your recent posts have been goddamn HILARIOUS. You have great command of the English language and an awesome sense of humor.

Doc

[HBombToo]

Originally posted by Dr. Spec
Loud:

I've been meaning to tell you - your recent posts have been goddamn HILARIOUS. You have great command of the English language and an awesome sense of humor.

Doc

Mr. Spec... are you doing a Vulcan thing or something? That is some funny stuff. Outstanding Loud!

Twin

[Dr. Spec]

Everyone thinks that PB2-Plus stands for Powered Box 2 Plus drivers.

What it really stands for is Built 2 Party Plus.

I told you it was big enough for hot babes to party on! The good Doctor speaks from experience!

http://www.click-smilie.de/sammlung/party/party-smiley-020.gif

[RuSsMaN]

Jesus H Christ Doc, at first glance I thought that was MY wife at YOUR house. (it took me a good 20 seconds to look at her face)

Nice to see we have similar, um, tastes? ;)

I hate to say it, but be forwarned, if Hoosier sees that pic, he's gonna rub one out.

Cheers,
Rooster

[dorokusai]

That is just plain evil :)

[Airplay355]

there are speakers in that picture? where?
;)

[Tour2ma]

Whose hijacking the thread now, Doc? Not that I mind :D Obviously more than the SVS is capable of pants waffling in your house...

Congrats faster... As others have said, I await the full review.

[kberg]

faster,

Congrats on your SVS purchase. Remember to change your profile - "SVS PB1-ISD almost here" is now officially obsolete!

[HBombToo]

WWWWilberrrrrrrrrr.

thats the best horse imatation from HBomb:)

Twin:D

[jkratzer]

Doc,

For a minute, I thought I was redirected to a porn message board. :o

Those...um...I mean...that...PB2 is sure huge. :D

[Dr. Spec]

Nice to see we have similar, um, tastes?

Yes, I had to get the dual driver sub to keep things symmetrical in the household.


Obviously more than the SVS is capable of pants waffling in your house...

Brings a whole new meaning to the PWC. :p

By now, Faster has fallen into a bass nirvana induced coma. We'll here from him tomorrow.

As for me, Brotherhood Of The Wolf proved quite entertaining this evening.

Doc

[faster100]

Ok i'm not to good with reviews, and i really havent had time to sit and demo my butt off.. i did watch a few key parts of dvd's and some cd's.. first off i need a heavy floor base, like a slate or granite slab.. my floor is vibrating like crazy.. i had it cranked on some music earlier today and the tv was getting lines in it.. I have a 46" RPTV RCA.. I think on movies it's fantastic!! fills this small room with solid bass.. It doesnt even sound like the subs i'm used to.. It is just there. can't tell where its coming from until the windows of this old house start rattleing and the floor starts shaking.. No kidding. The polk 404 had bass and sounded "good" i have always said that. But this has deep powerful bass.. 2 different things. In my opinion so far its smokes on HT and is good on music. seems on rap or bass heavy music it is hard hitting, No throw some lionel richie, or mellow stuff and its mellow.. although it really doesnt need to have hard hitting bass for that music..

Ok like i said earlier,, Monsters inc. boo crying and bulb break scene 114 db peak at 8 foot,

Jurrassic park 3 dts.. after the plane crash in the begining and when the plane falls from the tree and they get chased via a dino 108 db @ 8 foot

most scenes with any significant bass peaks the 100 db scale on fast C weighted.. so i moved to the 110 scale

I still need to demo gladiator dts, toy story and pick up my copy of LOTR..

we watched the new tommy lee jones dvd tonight, the Hunted.. Not alot of bass and impact in this movie.. Ok though..

More music demo's to do tomorrow


Note: My settings on the psw 404 were receiver -3 on the level and the plate amp at 12-1 O clock.. and still had to run it hot to sound loud..(also had it useing sub xover (cranked up) and receivers bass filter)

Now the PB1 receiver setting -6 and the plate amp 10 O'clock crossover off, phase 0 degree's..


Its late, this is all for now,, By the way my wifes likes it as well.. was amazed at the dino chase scene..

[organ]

That looks awesome, faster! I think it looks very nice. Now I can't wait to get mine. If I get the PB1, I wil probably ask for the same colour. It's an extra $50 for the coloured versions right?

Hey Doc, how will the PB1 compare to the cylinder sub you recommended for me? I'd rather have a nice looking sub like that than a big black cylinder. BTW, very nice pic:)! Were you trying to impress us with the size of your sub or the twins;)?

Maurice

[hoosier21]

Good Ol' Doc, he loves them ported models, dual ports even better, now give him a dual ported model with a pair of knobs like that to play with...

As for me I have this old sealed model, ain't nothing getting....


**I hope to god that ain't his daughter**

[faster100]

Originally posted by organ
That looks awesome, faster! I think it looks very nice. Now I can't wait to get mine. If I get the PB1, I wil probably ask for the same colour. It's an extra $50 for the coloured versions right?


Maurice

Actually yeah its 50 extra for the color, But being the blacks were back ordered and i decided on the color, i got 50 bucks off.. after i bragged about Doc and asked for a discount.. what a company..

The box that this came in was so big and well padded.. it would never have gotten damaged i don't think.. class act. Polks subs have styro foam.. both 404's i had the foam was busted when i opened them :rolleyes:

[Zero]

The drivers wont be the only things moving back and fowarth on that sub..

[VR3]

Originally posted by faster100
i had the foam was busted when i opened them :rolleyes:

Man! No kidding! I opened my RTi70.....and the foam just split in half right there on the carpet. I was like.......wtf!!! Talk about *poor packing*. Oh well, it arrived in excellant shape! Cant complain! But polk should rethink their packing....

~ :oInsomnia Sid:o ~

[Airplay355]

his daughter? wow that was a scary thing to say. why did you have to bring that up?

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by Airplay355
his daughter? wow that was a scary thing to say. why did you have to bring that up?

Because Russ said he was going to rub one off to the picture and that was his way of implying he did. It was pretty funny actually.

And she's my woman, not my daugther. I'm not that old!

Faster:

You are experiencing first had what I've been preaching about wooden floors and powerful subs. The floor turns into a trampoline and it starts to create its own sound.

Just jump up and down on your floor and see what kind of boom it creates. Not too pleasant is it?

While concrete is a far better sounding foundation, if you are stuck with wood, definitely find the thickest heaviest piece of slate or concrete paver you can safely handle and place it under the sub. The heavier and denser the material, the more resistant to motion and energy transfer it will be.

If you think it sounds good now, wait until you isolate it from that boomy floor. Also, if you can, run the sub FLAT for music. That means actually the same or even a little less than the other speakers on the RS meter with your test tones. That's because the RS meter reads a little low on the bass test tones.

If you have two different inputs for HT and music, it is easy to run the sub cooler for music.

Doc

[Frank Z]

Damn Doc! I just spilled my coffee all over the place! That pic could make a gay guy re-think his lifestyle! (sorry Brett...had to throw that comment out there for ya!:D )

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by organ
Hey Doc, how will the PB1 compare to the cylinder sub you recommended for me? I'd rather have a nice looking sub like that than a big black cylinder. BTW, very nice pic:)! Were you trying to impress us with the size of your sub or the twins;)?Maurice

BTW, Jerry - they're real, and they're spectacular.

To answer your question, the PB1-ISD is sonically identical to a 25-31 PCi with a 22 Hz tuned port installed (commonly referred to as the "22-31 PCi"). On most program material, it will be hard to tell the difference between a 20-39PCi and a PB1-ISD.

You will very soom have quite a choice of box subs from SVS.

You will have the:

PB1-ISD textured finish; choice of colors
PB1-Plus wood finish; choice of 5 stains
PB2-Plus black textured finish
PB2-Ultra wood finish; choice of 5 stains
B4-Plus wood finish; choice of any Minwax stain

There will also be a new line-up of box subs in the $300-$500 range, details to be announced, but probably to directly compete with the new HSU "STF" 8" and 10". The PB1-ISD already competes well with the HSU STF 12". This one has got me most interested since the potential is there for a performance compromise in terms of extension and SPL, and SVS has a reputation to uphold in that arena. I suppose if the less expensive offerings compete favorably with the HSU 8" and 10" that should be sufficient.

And I might as well let the cat out of the bag, there will also be (highly rumoured) a PB2-ISD. While there are no official details released, Dr. Spec's crystal ball sees something along the lines of:

- a PB2 enclosure with black finish
- twin ISD woofs
- a 600 watt version of the PB2+ amp
- dual 4" ports with a fixed tune
- $800-900

Doc

[hank1105]

I received my PB1 about 3 months ago, and haven't looked back. Thanks to help from members on this board I purchased the SVS PB1. I initially was just going to get a Polk 404 or something like that. Although the PB1 was out of my budget, I still am glad I purchased it.

As of now the best DVD's that I have tried out with the system are Star Wars I and II. I was very impressed with Gladitor 6.1, but the bass was so-so. I hope to watch LOTR extended version this weekend.

Hank

[brettw22]

Originally posted by Frank Z
Damn Doc! I just spilled my coffee all over the place! That pic could make a gay guy re-think his lifestyle! (sorry Brett...had to throw that comment out there for ya!:D ) Frank, you'd be assuming that because I'm gay I don't see them.......I'd almost venture that I'd have a better chance to see them or play with them (generally speaking) before some of you straighties :D

Disclaimer: The aforementioned statement has, in no regard, any meaning towards Doc's girl.....as 'spectacular' as he promises them to be... ;)

[Frank Z]

Originally posted by brettw22
Frank, you'd be assuming that because I'm gay I don't see them.......I'd almost venture that I'd have a better chance to see them or play with them (generally speaking) before some of you straighties :D



Oh Yeah! Says You! I think...well umm...

I got a big bag of nuthin here!


Faster,
Congrats on the upgrade!

[kberg]

Hey Doc,

Since you have your better half's photo on this thread, why not include your own? If not, my bet is that you might take on characteristics of the SVS subhuman character on their coffee mugs. :)

Also, with your SVS announcements above, might it be worth waiting on the purchase of the 20-39 PCi or PC-Plus because of what might be available from SVS in the near future?

[tryrrthg]

Congrats Faster! Enjoy the new toy!

Too many people are getting new SVS's! I'm jealous! :(

I want some new gear!

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by kberg
Hey Doc,

Since you have your better half's photo on this thread, why not include your own? If not, my bet is that you might take on characteristics of the SVS subhuman character on their coffee mugs. :)

Also, with your SVS announcements above, might it be worth waiting on the purchase of the 20-39 PCi or PC-Plus because of what might be available from SVS in the near future?

Are you kidding? And risk desecration of my image like Troy suffers at the hands of Russ on a regular basis?

Actually, my picture is self posted in my "2002 deer season" thread in Off-Topic about 7 months ago (or so).

Should you wait on the purchase? Nothing coming out will really make the PCi or PC-Plus outdated or obsolete.

In the box line - the PB2+ is an unparalleled performance value, though.

Doc

[wallstreet]

Hmmm, I guess we'll have to rename the pants waffling club (PWC) to the jugs waffling club (JWC)!!

(and talk about hijacking threads Spec!)

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by wallstreet
(and talk about hijacking threads Spec!)

First, Faster is the one who asked how big the PB2+ is, so I provided a picture with a person on top to give a sense of reference. What's wrong with that? ;)

Furthermore, I've continued to give him solid advice about improving the sound of his new sub on a wooden floor.

It's STILL Cliff's new SVS thread - I just added some fun bag element to the mix while we impatiently wait for him to chime in with further comments and review about the sub and/or the slate/granite/paver mod. So nana nana boo boo.

Humbly,

Doc

[brettw22]

Doc, Doc, Doc.......lol.....he was talkin about Frank and I.........I'm just beside myself......Frank challenging me and my accessibilities to such things.......;)

[faster100]

Well, called around about a granite slab, 18x20 min.. forget it.. one place wanted 100.00 another wanted 50 + polish if i wanted the edge polished.. I was thinking???? make a wood frame with plywood bottom, fill with concrete smooth to the top.. dry.. then finish the sides with stain and clear.. maybe clear coat the concrete top.. wammo a concrete heavy base.. and looks nice to boot... any thoughts on that?? alot cheaper and i could paint or stain to suit..

The sub needs the base plate made ie;concrete,granite what have you.. It flat out rocks.. T2 today was incredible.. i need to see how to save settings for stereo versus HT so i can recalibrate for music as you stated at a lower volume.. it has deep powerfull bass... pressurizes the room enough to bug my ears yesterday after awhile at high volumes on FM stereo.. this is a small room and the Pb1 has alot to offer.. so should i set the receiver at -5 period then adjust the plate amp to get my spl correct?? that's what i read on SVS site i think... or from you.. Now its at -6 and 10 clock on the plate amp. Let me know that as i going right now to listen to some music.. See i have my 2 girls here and taking care of them and doing the demo thing takes time, My oldest is 5 next month and the youngest is 13 months, so fun fun fun,, gotta entertain non stop... i will be back though.. i would get a base today but i am about tapped out,, i just also bought a csi30 for rear duty, UPS says it will be here tomorrow already.. Yippee.. Now i need to fab a angles shelf for that bugger.. so busy

[tryrrthg]

Originally posted by faster100
Well, called around about a granite slab, 18x20 min.. forget it.. one place wanted 100.00 another wanted 50 + polish if i wanted the edge polished.. I was thinking???? make a wood frame with plywood bottom, fill with concrete smooth to the top.. dry.. then finish the sides with stain and clear.. maybe clear coat the concrete top.. wammo a concrete heavy base.. and looks nice to boot... any thoughts on that?? alot cheaper and i could paint or stain to suit..
I'm not an expert but that sounds good to me. I think a friend of mine used a BIG garden stone that cost him a few bucks, may not have to be granite... if you don't want the concrete or stone to show wrap it in fabric or something...

[wallstreet]

Originally posted by Dr. Spec
First, Faster is the one who asked how big the PB2+ is, so I provided a picture with a person on top to give a sense of reference. What's wrong with that? ;)

Furthermore, I've continued to give him solid advice about improving the sound of his new sub on a wooden floor.

It's STILL Cliff's new SVS thread - I just added some fun bag element to the mix while we impatiently wait for him to chime in with further comments and review about the sub and/or the slate/granite/paver mod. So nana nana boo boo.

Humbly,

Doc

That pic gives a whole new meaning to WAF! Braahahahahaha

[faster100]

while were showing pics of subs

[dorokusai]

The concrete paver thing is workable. You can also seal the concrete and then spray paint it any color you wish.

[Ron-P]

I've always placed slate under my subs (thanks be to Chris "snake" that used to visit here). Until, I had to lay the SonoSub on its side due to the incorporation of the front projector. It made a sizeable improvement in the tightness of the impact, especially when I had the HT in the house. In the new room, it was noticable, but not to the extent it was previous. I'm sure the beefer construction, better insulation and such helped reduce the boomyness that I had in the house.

I found a 18"x24"x2" piece at the local landscape shop for $20.


while were showing pics of subs
http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/images/showcase/11_40_big.jpg
Nothing fancy here, but it'll give those pretty-boy SVS's a run for their money.



Peace Out~:D

[Ron-P]

The concrete idea might work, it'll work better than concrete pavers. I'd not recommend those as they are too porus, you want something as dense as possible, the reason slate works so well.


Peace Out~:D

[faster100]

where the heck do you find "slate" and what is it made of?? Home depot have those??

[burdette]

Has anyone else considered that the photo posted by Doc **IS** Doc?? Perhaps S/he felt s/he wouldn't be taken seriously here as a woman, but now, after so many people have benefitted and are appreciative of the advice, s/he has decided that we can handle them.. I mean him.. I mean her.


As for the concrete slab... I think the wooden frame filled with concrete is a good idea. I'd go at least 2-3" thick, and be sure to 'stir' the mix *after* it is in the former. By stir, I mean take a stick or a screwdriver or whatever and run it back and forth in the mix in all directions, make sure there are no bubbles and you have a consistent spread.

When I built my tube sub, I ignorantly had a plywood base underneath with spiked feet on that to the floor. The driver made that base buzz at even moderate volumes. So, I removed it, used a section of the tube as a former, and applied a 2" thick circle of concrete (Quickcrete) to the base. That thing has to weigh... well, it is heavy. Hbomb has held it.. he can attest to size/weight. It still buzzed on things like the AOTC explosion, Monster's Inc., etc. So now it fires right into the floor on 3.5" legs.. but it is a concrete floor so problem is solved. Just not as 'nice' looking.

Um... speaking of holding and attesting to size/weight...

[Ron-P]

Home Depot only has 12"x12" pieces of slate for flooring. Call around to local nurseries / landscape shops.

I'd say go with a grout type mix and for-go using a 3/4" mix. This way you'll get a more solid block with less chance of air pockets.


Peace Out~:D

[faster100]

Originally posted by Ron-P

go with a grout type mix and for-go using a 3/4" mix.

Peace Out~:D

say that again, LOL

you mean use mortor instead of concrete? and what about the 3/4" mix?? explain im dense about this stuff

[Ron-P]

Yeah, a mortar mix, nothing larger than sand (or at worst) pea gravel (rocks the size of pea's). A 3/4" mix has rocks 3/4" in size roughly, mixing by hand is a bit tougher and will trap more air, creating more voids, thus making it more porus.


Peace Out~:D

[faster100]

done deal, i found a shop who carries, slate, granite, a/c slabs.. the works.. he said a piece of slate 18x20 about 30 lbs he guessed.. $6.00 bucks.... yeah. that's what im talking about.. sorry being so cheap but ive spent $832.00 in the last week.. sub, center and monster lock banana connectors... sheesh im done. tomorrow im going to that rock shop.... Thanks Ron for the info and everyone elses help :D

[dorokusai]

There is nothing wrong with using a concrete paver. It is more porous than hand mixed, thats true, but cheap is cheap. Its certainly not messy either.

Ron - Slate is a great idea, often overlooked apparently.

[Dr. Spec]

I always recommend pavers or slate, but slate is my aesthetics favorite, hands down.

I don't know how thick that piece is for $6.00, but you might want to get two of them and stack them for that price, or ask him if you can get a 2" or thicker single piece. 2" is my minimum on a wood floor for isolation. It's so cheap you can afford to experiment, and it is indeed quite dense and sonically inert.

I think you will notice a pretty big improvement with the slate; it really helps reduce floor boom, which can be terrible with thin floors and large spaces below.


Has anyone else considered that the photo posted by Doc **IS** Doc?? Perhaps S/he felt s/he wouldn't be taken seriously here as a woman, but now, after so many people have benefitted and are appreciative of the advice, s/he has decided that we can handle them.. I mean him.. I mean her.

OK, I dredged up that pic from Off Topic - here I am, the REAL Dr. Spec:

[Ron-P]

Someone's grab'en antler!


Peace Out~:D

[jkratzer]

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
Man! No kidding! I opened my RTi70.....and the foam just split in half right there on the carpet. I was like.......wtf!!! Talk about *poor packing*. Oh well, it arrived in excellant shape! Cant complain! But polk should rethink their packing....

~ :oInsomnia Sid:o ~

I agree Polk needs to redesign the packaging. When I opened the box of one of my RTi70's, the foam was all broken into little pieces. The stand on the speaker was damaged and had pushed one of the plastic legs into the wood base. I exchanged it for another and that one was fine.

[Tour2ma]

Doc, now you've got me humming "The Lumberjack" song.... (maybe in your case "The Lumbar-jack...").

Nice looking deer, but I liked the pic of the "rack " on your SVS better :D

[Frank Z]

...I'm a lumberjack and I'm okay I sleep all night and I work all day

I cut down trees I eat my lunch and go to the lavatry(sp?)


On Sunday I'll go shopping and have buttered scones for tea!


Take it away Tour!!:D

[VR3]

Originally posted by Dr. Spec
OK, I dredged up that pic from Off Topic - here I am, the REAL Dr. Spec:

Looks like you have a antler going straight into your ear......and your eyes lit up and went on as a game show light bulb....;)

[Tour2ma]

I think this is the original... the deer won...

[faster100]

was this my Svs thread? I forgot... But i'm kidding anyways..

I'm off this morning to get my slate on, wish me luck i find a nice heavy piece to place under the beast. will post pictures later if its nice enough for a photo shoot, LOL

[Frank Z]

Originally posted by faster100
was this my Svs thread? I forgot... But i'm kidding anyways..

I'm off this morning to get my slate on, wish me luck i find a nice heavy piece to place under the beast. will post pictures later if its nice enough for a photo shoot, LOL

Your right, lets get back on track shall we!! Make sure you take some before and after SPL measurements to share with us. It would be interesting to see/read about the difference a slab makes. Looking forward to your results.

[wallstreet]

Is it me, or is it that the SVS subs are way too big! Doc, you ever compared the SVS to a smaller Sunfire or Velodyne?

[hoosier21]

Originally posted by wallstreet
Is it me, or is it that the SVS subs are way too big! Doc, you ever compared the SVS to a smaller Sunfire or Velodyne?

You can't cheat physics, bass needs big drivers and big cabinets.

[faster100]

The old rule of thumb i remember , small enclosures need big power, larger cabinets require less power.. I think..

anyways.. I went to the rock shop, They had pieces of slate like material, he said it wasnt really slate..:rolleyes: So i told him what i was doing, he said i have something that will work.. A 24x24 steel reinforced concrete A/C slab.. 2" thick.. and heavy as heck..

works great in that space, seems real smooth.. he said this is about as dense as you can get.. This was a very large place that sold everything related to rock and stone.. cost $8.75


any suggestions on a treatment, paint? faux finish, glaze, I was thinking of glueing some marble tile on top to fancy it up.. 4 12x12" pieces should fit perfect.. would this rattle?? will it work??


Ok far as spl, watched the Jurrassic park 3 same scene as mentioned earlier.. only meter was chest level about a foot further then before which was at the front right corner of the couch arm.. first reading 8 foot from sub 108 db

second reading with the slab at 9' from sub 109-110 db peaks and above through that scene.. yet to check the Boo crying scene in monsters..

[faster100]

forgot the pic of the slab :rolleyes:

[wallstreet]

Just wrap it in carpet.

[dorokusai]

Simple and easy would be to seal it, then paint it, then seal it again. You could choose any color you wanted for that.

[faster100]

I have some tile sealer, wonder if that would work? will read the bottle.. do they make a glaze or top coat that would be shiney??

so what you guys think of the slab?? it will look better after its painted..

[dorokusai]

TileLab makes a Matte and a Gloss sealer. You can buy it at Home Depot.

I think the slab is great, what an inexpensive tweak :)

You could also, use a concrete sealing paint, then paint a color, and finish with selaer. The options are limitless for what you can do in the color area.

[Dr. Spec]

I think the slab looks great! That would be a piece of cake to seal and then paint.

But more important, how does it sound to you? Is the bass tighter and less boomy and more natural, and does the slab noticeably decrease vibration transmission through the wooden floor?

[faster100]

there he is, yes yes and yes.. 1-2db increase so far.. more solid.. I think it took care of the window rattle also.. only watched a few things.. just brought it home a short time ago.. this weekend will be for testing for sure, going to get my csi30 today also.. just installed my Monster lock banana's on the mains.. got them today also.. Spec , i posted a small review above about the slab..

I played some music also, I just need more demo time.. sit relax and listen, but the rattle is all but gone i do believe!! Great idea.. Guys

I installed the rubber feet on the pb1, I assume this is ok being its on concrete. sits better. I just love this sub, I'm glad i bought it and its the best item that i have noticed the biggest difference in, be it speakers, receivers, wire.. By far night and day. I take back all my previous comments where i defended my 404 sub.. " with stuff like" Its a great sub" It doesnt sound boomy.. its hits pretty hard" these are great and you don't have to pay thousands for them,



I don't agree on the new value based sub 500.00 range subs.. That's what makes SVS stand out, their not cheapo subs and there not thousands for a mid level sub of this size and degree of bass.. getting a cheaper sub line in the 300 range seems it will give people the wrong idea of quality.. maybe its just me, Plus its the excitement of having to save for it and wait for it,

[kberg]

faster,

To be honest, I think the slab looks fine as is!

[faster100]

well its not bad, but its a living room not a deticated HT.. and a color would look better, I might try and get some paint color matched to the sub, minus the color variations (granite like look)

[Dr. Spec]

I'm surprised you are getting any SPL increase at all.

I would have expected the exact opposite. By reducing vibration transmission to the floor, you also reduce the ability of the floor to create its own sound.

Its funny, but some HT designers/installers with wimpy subs actually recommend and install sub-floors over concrete slabs specifically for the purpose of increasing vibration and SPL at the key listening positions. Sort of like a pseudo buttkicker (tactile transducer). I have always thought this was an incredibly stupid idea and I have never heard a wooden floor built over an open space that came reven remotely close to the bass sound quality (not quantity) of a concrete slab.

The problem (if you can call it that) with a concrete floor, is that it is much harder for a sub to create the impression of being powerful, because you are completely eliminating floor boom and floor vibration. All that's left is pressurizing the air.

If your sub can - without the aid of a wooden floor - pressurize the air sufficiently to waffle your pants and shake the couch on HT special effects, it's a powerful sub. Because that is a very tough test for a sub on a concrete floor.

Doc

[faster100]

it truely did increase.. now i guess i had it on a tripod for the first test and held it in my hand the second time.. maybe it was in a small null and a foot over to the left was a bit better, i'm not for sure.

i sure know i love it and im having a great week!!!! Me and the wife decided on trying to get some color swatches from walmart to match as close as possible then going back or to home depot and have them mix us up a brownish/tan color for it..

[burdette]

Originally posted by Dr. Spec
I'm surprised you are getting any SPL increase at all. I would have expected the exact opposite. By reducing vibration transmission to the floor, you also reduce the ability of the floor to create its own sound.


Wouldn't that depend somewhat on what frequencies from the sub are being eaten up by the floor, and the ratio of the power being taken by the floor to the SPL the floor produces? I mean... it would take different levels of power to get different floors moving in the first place. And, some floors would be better than other floors at acting as a driver for audio frequencies once they were moving. If you think about the floor as a passive radiator.. or even a 'port'... then the size, weight, etc. of the floor, plus furniture, etc, would determine exactly how much SPL you get... just like you can put different PR or even the same one with weight added to change the response.



Originally posted by Dr. Spec

If your sub can - without the aid of a wooden floor - pressurize the air sufficiently to waffle your pants and shake the couch on HT special effects, it's a powerful sub. Because that is a very tough test for a sub on a concrete floor.
Doc

My sub is on a concrete basement floor. Each time you throw out little comments like that, it revitalizes the complete lack of remorse I have at paying the money and putting in the design and build time to have a *good* sub. I've never regretted it for a moment, but I can sometimes forget *how much* I don't regret it.

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by burdette
Wouldn't that depend somewhat on what frequencies from the sub are being eaten up by the floor, and the ratio of the power being taken by the floor to the SPL the floor produces? I mean... it would take different levels of power to get different floors moving in the first place. And, some floors would be better than other floors at acting as a driver for audio frequencies once they were moving. If you think about the floor as a passive radiator.. or even a 'port'... then the size, weight, etc. of the floor, plus furniture, etc, would determine exactly how much SPL you get... just like you can put different PR or even the same one with weight added to change the response.

I think we can agree on one thing - adding a wooden floor always adds some increase in boom and SPL, however small.

I agree, though, some wooden floors are much worse than others. What you are getting at is each structural has its own unique sympathetic resonance frequency (like the famous Tacoma Narrows Washington bridge disaster). In one house, I've seen a powerful sub turn the cheap wooden floor into a virtual trampoline, even 10 feet away. It was just the right size and rafter spacing and thickness, etc. for the sub to excite its resonance frequency and it sounded terrible. Standing under it in the basement below was even worse; the whole floor did indeed look like a huge passive radiator and you could actually feel the sound pressure it was creating.

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by faster100 I just love this sub, I'm glad I bought it and it's the best item that I have noticed the biggest difference in, be it speakers, receivers, wire......by far night and day.

I take back all my previous comments where I defended my 404 sub with stuff like "it's a great sub", "it doesn't sound boomy" and "it hits pretty hard".


The BASS AUTHORITY strikes again. No BS comments from another satisfied customer. Wimpy subs beware; SVS wants in.

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/animation.htm

[fireshoes]

That animation is TOO funny!

[faster100]

well just got my Csi30 center for rear duty via UPS!! I need to make or buy some sort of shelf now, angled because my couch is right on the back wall and the rear center will need to point down somewhat right?? or just fireing straight be sufficient? Let me know what the rules are on this one?

[burdette]

Originally posted by Dr. Spec
I think we can agree on one thing - adding a wooden floor always adds some increase in boom and SPL, however small.


No, I don't think we agree on that.

If I understand you, you're saying that in all instances, the floor is essentially more efficient than the sub, because you say above that adding a wooden floor will always increase SPL in the room.

What I said was that I would think that whether the moving floor actually *INCREASED* SPL would depend on the specifics of the floor.. and that I believe the floor could absorb the power, but not necessarily convert that into sound pressure in the room.

I guess I don't see why output from the sub, being converted to movement of the floor, that being converted into sound pressure in the room, would *always* give more SPL than if ALL the sub's output were going directly to creating sound pressure in the room, avoiding that circuitous path.

We don't have to keep talking about this. I certainly don't claim to know all there is to know on transducers and energy conversion and efficiency. This is very much a "seems to me..." subject.

[brettw22]

burdette....I think that you guys are saying the same, just different. He's saying that a wooden floor for say a main floor in a house is going to have different characteristics than if that same sub is on the floor in the basement and on concrete. The floor on the wood floor is going to take the transfer from the sub, and through it's own resonance, create a sound in and of itself, whereas the concrete slab in the basement won't enhance/change/alter the sound because it's not moving because of the sub.

Same sub on different floor types is going to sound different in each room.....

[burdette]

I was interested in this just from the learning perspective. No need to drag it out.

What I think we all.. ?.. agree on is if you've got a good sub sitting on a floor that will potentially resonate, you should probably get a good base underneath your bass.

My only real experience with a sub is the one I have now, and it is and always has been sitting on concrete.

[faster100]

Ok wow.. we just watched Jet Li's new movie Cradle 2 the grave..
alot of action and fight scenes.. Alot of solid bass and room pressure i guess you could call it. This slab does a good job of keeping the vibration down and still gives that full bass presense.. in explosions and fight scenes, punches.. Just wow.. my wife is impressed with it as well, enough said rigth there. Installed my shelf for my rear center csi30.. done alot over the last few days.. this sounds fantastic!!!!!!

I'm done, Happy what can i say.. just for kicks i will get a better sub cable though.. can it get much better?? will i notice a difference? I think not but just for principal i'll do it.

Thanks again for all the help and suggestions and comments.. just gotta paint the slab, paint my new shelf, and its a weekend.


later, it's getting late... I'm tired from lugging speakers and concrete slabs around

[dorokusai]

Obviously you don't need anymore compliments ;)

Great subwoofer, you have truly traveled over to the "I am crazy zone" as far as audio nuts go....; )

[faster100]

Thanks Doro,,, this threads great!! 5 pages long.. on my pc anyways..


later all.

[Dr. Spec]

Originally posted by brettw22
The floor on the wood floor is going to take the transfer from the sub, and through it's own resonance, create a sound in and of itself, whereas the concrete slab in the basement won't enhance/change/alter the sound because it's not moving because of the sub.

Yes, that is what I meant. I probably didn't explain it well, sorry.

If you jump up and down on a wooden floor, you can hear it boom and resonate through the entire house. It's quite deep and strong, actually. When one of the kid's falls on the floor upstairs, I can always feel it in my chest, and it always illicits a shout from one of the adults to the effect of "what the hell is going on up there!?".

The same cannot be said of a concrete floor, which generates no sound or air pressure or boom at all when you jump up and down or fall on it.

The reactive forces of a strong woofer, particularly a downward firing woofer, can illicit the same type of sound and pressure response from a wooden floor as a child jumping up and down on it.

[faster100]

So this could be the reason i never thought my 404 was all that bad, my floor was most likely contributuing to the sound,base and spl to a point.. although of course since getting the new one i changed my mind..