LSi's in the house....

[TroyD]

FedEx dropped off some early (or late depending on how you wanna look at it) Christmas presents for me today. I got my LSi9's and LSi7's. Unfortunately, the center didn't come. It will probably show up tommorow.....

Right out of the box, these are some HEAVY mofos. The 7's are MUCH bigger than I thought. I was thinking something along the lines of an RTi25 but these things are HUGE.

I've got them hooked up in the cave (the 9's) and a couple of initial impressions (subject to change and pending a more comprehensive review): these are one of the flattest sounding speakers I can recall listening to. They have a very DQ-10-ish like top end. I also don't think I've ever been struck by a bookshelf having such bass response. The manual says on the 9's 50Hz +/-3db but I'd SWEAR it seems much lower.....

Anyway, I'm happier than a clam at highwater and I'm off to the cave to play....

BDT

[polkatese]

congrats, Troy! and belated welcome home too!

[dorokusai]

Welcome home Troy, I wasn't sure if it was official until Polka's post. Sorry if it was actually sooner than now. Nice to hear that you are giddy like a schoolgirl....I think you have a partner right now in the "I am an audio freak" category with Faster100...lol

Nice to see you safe, and get your ears back to normal. I served, and Cannon Cockers make a Commo guys life a living HELL! You are lucky to have missed all that BS at least. :)

[Frank Z]

Lsi's simply shine! when you've got some spare time try the 7's in a 2 channel setup, they will also cause your ear lobes wiggle with joy.............or as some might say....Aural Zen Whoopie!

[mantis]

Congrads Troy.......sweet man.They sound much better after there run in.Give them time,they do take alot of it.

Very cool,
Dan

[TroyD]

I think they sound pretty good out of the box, actually.

Well, the 7's are actually going to go into the bedroom (re: Wendi's) 2ch rig. For a couple of reasons. One being that they are too big to go where my rears are now and more importantly, it seems like a waste of a damn good speaker to be hanging for rear effects in HT...

Off to see the wizard!

BDT

[polkatese]

Troy,
that was exactly what I thought of, when I got them. What I've been doing now is to listen 2 ch using DPLII, utilizing all channels so that I get to use the 7. It's such a nice speak..

[TroyD]

Just an update.....the center arrived last night. Got the front soundstage hooked up although I still need stands for the 9's (BETTER stands I should say) and I need to double run the speaker wire to biwire but I'm on my way to Aural Zen Whoopie. I don't know though, I'm torn, I thought I had Transparent in my sole but know I just don't know. Lemme go check my horoscope.

BDT

[mantis]

You got really nice speakers,why would you think of putting Transparent on them?

Aren't you a firm believer in lamp cord,home depot wire???Why not use that?it won't cost you anything...and sound as good as Transparent.I bet you'll find that in your horoscope.

[TroyD]

I never said wire didn't make a difference. Never not once. What I DID say is that if you take basic Monster, AR, RatShack, HD etc etc....the differences in them all are somewhere between minimal and nonexistent. Having said that, I also believe that with the gear that most of us use, including 'reference integrated quality receivers' that esoteric wire is overkill, in my opinion. I also believe that wire is where the greatest 'placebo' effect is. If you hear it and you dig it, so much the better I say.

BDT

[dorokusai]

Troy - I found my AB shootout between MC and MIT to be very significant. There was a price difference, perhaps it wasn't even fair, but I tried to be as true to the review as possible. That being said, I would not in any way, go over that basic price range for a cable, period. MIT is/was the maximum I will ever spend on a given interconnect. I am not in the position to spend the outrageous amounts that some of these manufacturers ask for their even higher end cable. There are way too many things for us audio fans to get into, then spend $1000 on 1 set of cables.

All of this is probably crazy when you think about it....I know the lovely Terrie, thinks I am insane. :)

[organ]

Congrats on the purchase Troy. You have a kick ass system there. We'll be waiting for a review:).

For the wires...so far I'm happy with my Monster. Never tried Transparent or any expensive speaker wires.

Maurice

[pjdami]

Troy,

Congratulations on your LSi purchase. I'm digging mine more and more every day.


I also believe that wire is where the greatest 'placebo' effect is. If you hear it and you dig it, so much the better I say.

Well, I guess I fall into this category. I went from 10 year old original Monster wire, to Monster XP, to IXOS super gamma 7 biwire, to Transparent Musicwave with Transparent jumpers, to Transparent Musicwave Biwire.

Dan turned me onto Transparent. IMHO that wire has maxed out my system performance. It helped squeeze out the last 10 - 15% of clearness and detail that the LSi can provide. This is a qualitative number of course but I know it just sounds better. I tried many times to disprove this theory by swapping back to the inexpensive wire only to find myself longing for the better wire back in my system.

What Dan recommends is not usually inexpensive. But I have found that he has good taste in matching gear and solid recommendations. His advice isn't for everyone because there is a price / performance ratio involved and that is a personal decision that we all have to make whether or not we want to go that route. For me... I'm glad I did.

Paul

[RuSsMaN]

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say Dan has 'good taste'. Cmon now, his ego is big enough already, lets not make his head explode.

Anyone can recommend 'high end' or 'totl' gear, and for the price, well, it better sound good. Secondly, from a reputable company, why wouldn't it?

You bought the wire, now will you go get the Danes, Maggies or VMPS ribbons? ;) Chances are they will sound better! ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[TroyD]

I'm going to echo Russ's sentiments.....

I'm not suggesting that my cheapie AR wire is comparable to a pair of top of the line cables. Shoot for what they charge, they ought to sound better. However, to me, throwing out top of the line or even major brand names isn't rocket science. I also believe that these brands are designed to mate well with a wide spectrum of gear. So, sure, Transparent and Rotel probably do sound great together as I'm sure Transparent probably sounds good with B&K, Denon, Marantz, NAD etc etc etc. I'm not knocking Dan, but, frankly, sure, I could recommend Transparent Musiclinks or what have you with any piece of gear that you have and it will probably sound better than the patchchord or entry AR's or Monster cables etc etc. I would also say that I take with a grain of salt a remark that "OK, if you have Brand X gear and Brand Y speakers and Brand Z IC's....that you should use Brand M speaker wire (or any varation of the above scenario) because there are WAY to many variables (not the least of which is that we all hear things different) to make a blanket statement like that.

Having said all that, I'm also of the opinion that IC's make more of a difference than speaker wire. I found more difference swapping IC's than I have swapping speaker wire.

A more comprehensive review of the LSi's will be forthcoming, be patient, but I can tell you that I'm DIGGING them huge.

BDT

[Zero]

Congrats Troy, I will be recieving some LSi's within the next three weeks as well. Looking foward to it!

Glad to see you are diggin the speakers! I forget if you have had experience with the SDA, but if so, I would be VERY interested to see what your opinions are by means of compare/contrast.

[TroyD]

No, I don't have any real experience with SDA. YET. Not until Russ gets his travel on to SC.

BDT

[Zero]

Let me know if you will be up in VA Troy... will be glad to show ya the SDA's.

[pjdami]

Troy,


Having said all that, I'm also of the opinion that IC's make more of a difference than speaker wire. I found more difference swapping IC's than I have swapping speaker wire.

I agree with you 100% on this issue. The ICs I have found to have a profound influence on the sound. I used entry level IC's (< $15 for years) until I discovered this website through my brother TonyPTX. Anthony, if you read this you are to blame for my newly sparkled addiction.

Troy it's cool you are digging the LSi. They are so different from the other six pair of speakers that I own (Russ you got me beat with like 18 pair of speakers??? damn!! I thought I was hooked).

The better wire, I got second-hand from generous people on this forum like Dan and gshisme. I don't think I would have paid retail for this wire. But second-hand you can get some really sweet deals. I have tried to return the favor of learnings and deals from this website through my generous sale of equipment here as well. Just me giving back to the forum a little. I know that I could have maybe gotten a few extra bucks on eBay or Audiogon but I didn't want to do that.

Dan has been one very nice person on my direct emails to him. He has helped me out a lot. Egotistic?? I have not seen that with my dealings with him. I don't know what happened here before four months ago (as long as I have been a member) but that's probably none of my business as well.

I will say this. We all enjoy this audio hobby and that's what matters the most. Russ and Dan, both these dudes know a lot more than I do because they have tried out a lot of gear (and there are plenty others you know who ya'll are).... more than me... and I have been through a lot of gear myself. Both of you have your target audience that you appeal to and are able to help out. Its all good folks.... this forum wouldn't be the same without both of you and Troy as well. Checks and balances... its all good...

Paul

[VR3]

Checks and Balance eh...

So Russ Checks me, then I balance? ;) hahahaha

[Frank Z]

Originally posted by ATCVenom
Congrats Troy, I will be recieving some LSi's within the next three weeks as well. Looking foward to it!


Stop! Back up the freakin' Lsi Bus! Did I miss something here?!? You have 9's already.....or at least you had Lsi9's at one point. And if memory serves they weren't up to your standards/expectations! What gives?

Vanna I need a vowel....and a clue..... please!

I'm not raggin'on ya, I'm just trying to figure out what I missed here!

[pjdami]

So Russ Checks me, then I balance? hahahaha

Hey Mx,

Nah. More like Russ checks you, you move, then you get checkmated!!!;)

But you know what. You'll have your day. You know a lot more than I did at your age and you will probably know more than I do when you get to be my age about this hobby. Keep your learn on and your ears open bud!

Paul

[Zero]

Frank Z,

A perfectly good question that deserves an answer.

The LSi-9's were incredibly close to bringing me satisfaction. Almost like a dick tease, if you will..

While there were small details that bothered me, my biggest complaint is that their sound was compact. They are an excellent bookshelf speaker, I've heard none better - but the fact remains, they are a bookshelf speaker and their sound represented their size. I felt as if I was listening to sorrounds, not mains.

The sources (Amc, kimber, anaylisis plus) I am aquiring are naturally VERY foward and VERY bright... Afraid they would not mix well with the SDA's I own.

I've grown to thoroughly enjoy the SDA's and will most likely hoard them until I can built a rig that can better take advantage of their sound.

I will be aquiring a pair of brand spanking new LSi-15s for 750 bones from a licensed dealer. Could not pass up on that deal.

Hope I didnt miss anything else..

Regards,

Sean

[organ]

Sean you lucky bastard! 750 for the pair???? I'm sure you're going to enjoy them. You really have a thing for full range towers eh?:)

Maurice

[gidrah]

Congratulations and welcome back. That hazard pay has benefits. I had a package almost all ready for you. There were just a couple of ingredients missing. Since you're home now and won't need baby wipes, hot sauce, etc., I'll just send some of those missing ingredients in the future. I have a backlog and a honey-do list that you couldn't believe.
Anybody wanna buy a fixer upper of a house? How's about rent an upper flat? How's about rubbin' out (and not in the good way unless it works) a city building inspector?

ATC: Don't discount that combination yet. It might be a good contrast. It's been a very long time since I've heard SDAs, but it seems like a they could use a little forward lighting. PS package received!

[Frank Z]

Sean,
Understood....I think.;)

So do you still have the 9's?

[TroyD]

Ahhhh, I give it a month and they will be for sale ;)

BDT

[Frank Z]

I think that we've kinda jumped the tracks on Troy's thread!

Everyone say Hi to Mr. Jackson....HI-JACK!!

We now re-join the original thread.....

Troy, have you hooked up the CJ amp to the 9's yet? The local Lsi dealer has the same type set up and it sounds incredible!

[TroyD]

Originally posted by Frank Z
I think that we've kinda jumped the tracks on Troy's thread!

Everyone say Hi to Mr. Jackson....HI-JACK!!

We now re-join the original thread.....

Troy, have you hooked up the CJ amp to the 9's yet? The local Lsi dealer has the same type set up and it sounds incredible!

I did hook up the CJ to the 7's and it did sound pretty sweet, I must admit!

PFFFFFFT.....like I haven't hijacked a thread or two :D

BDT

[Frank Z]

Originally posted by TroyD
I did hook up the CJ to the 7's and it did sound pretty sweet, I must admit!

Cool! The bigger Lsi's seem to get the most attention around here, but it is amazing how well the 7's sound all by themselves! If I had not gotten such a great deal on my 9's from Hoosier, I would have probably gone with the 7's for my living room! I can understand not wanting to use your 7's for surrround duties (side or rear) but having a room full of Lsi's for Multichannel music as well as movies is just about as close to ZEN WHOOPIE as I'll ever get. Hook up those 7's in your HT for a weekend and you'll see what I mean. You can make it up to Wendy by getting her some 15's or 25's!!:D

[TroyD]

Well, I'm not ruling out the possibility but, like I said, for rear ambient noise, I'm more than happy to leave the R10's for rears. The 7's are going to be for the lovely Wendi's 2ch rig for now. I got to get busy and find a preamp with remote for her actually.

Actually, right now in the cave, I've got the DQ's, my RTA12C's, B&W and the LSi7's....now THAT is Zen Whoopie!

BDT

[madmax]

I think I would try the lsi rears a few times just to see if keeping all lsi's make a difference. Sounds like a nice system, congrats!
madmax

[mantis]

Troy,Russ,
guys why is it when someone wants to say thanks for help from me you guys want to find anyway to bash it?

Makes no sense as I read it.I helped out some fellow brothers in here and you guys want to say"hey anyone could have given you the same exact advice".But you know what???No one did.

It really doesn't matter,his system is really coming along sweet,thats really the only thing that does matter here.

Kick me all you want,you know in your heart who the effin man is around here:D .........I'M THE MOTHER EFFER!!!!!!

Good luck with the Lsi's Troy,there great speakers.But don't ask me for any advice,anyone can tell you how to tweak them.

The unknowing general knowledge Mantis:confused:

[TroyD]

Christ Dan, don't have a complex. You are the man, you know everything.

All I'm saying is that yes, anyone can say, for example, Transparent and B&K sound good together. The odds are that you are right. I'm not saying it's not good advice, I'm just saying that it for what they charge, it should and they should mate well with many different combinations.

Oh, by the way, I got the hate emails you sent to my Charleston.af.mil address while I was gone yesterday. Sorry, I didn't read them sooner but thanks for letting me know what a dirtbag you think I am.

BDT

[RuSsMaN]

Troy,

Hate emails? While you were overseas protecting his right to be a self-proclaimed expert on all things audio?

WOW, forward me a copy, will 'yeah'?

Dan,

As far as advice, gee Dan, do you own the 9's or the 7's or the center for that matter? NO? Do you own any pile of shit Carver amps? NO? Oh well, maybe he'll ask someone who does.

You effin crackpot.

Cheers,
Russ

[TroyD]

Ok, I'm really starting to worry about this......

Here is my dilema:

lesse, I got LSi's sourced by Tosh, pre/pro'ed by Denon, amped by Carver with Signal Cable IC's...anyone want to whip out the magic 8 ball (the magic juice leaked out of mine) and take a stab at what wire I should use?

A. Transparent
2. Kimber
L. AudioQuest
M. Straight Wire
7. Nordost
14. Cardas

OR

Any one would probably do a credible job and be an improvement over the current ones.

DING! Wire's run!

BDT

[RuSsMaN]

Dude, just sell it all, take out a home equity loan, get your (hang on while I check my flavor of the month chart)....

...B&K and Kimber on.

I almost said Rotel and Transparent, or was it Pioneer Elite and Monster?

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

Ok we are now back to this........ok wanna do it thats fine.......


Troy,
The mail I sent you back then was correct for what was going on then............you know what I was talking about as you should.I didn't see any replies in my mailbox........so......then is then.

As far as your little joke about what to do with your system????Home depot isn't far is it.I understand you personally think there wire is fine,why use anything else.Frankly I don't care what you do with your system or systems for that matter.

Russ,
had nothing to do with him being in the the war asshole.Don't but words in my mouth.I respect everyone who served for our country even dirtbag Troy.

And so what if I change out my gear often.Flavor of the month.........

I HAVE SPOKEN.

[RuSsMaN]

Nothing to add, just wanted to set the mood.

As soon as Mantis the Magnificent (aka Hong Kong Fooey) has finished his Audio Mein Kampf ... (at the main podium)...

...camera one very gradually pans out to a wide angle shot of a VERY dark, empty auditorium, then on the left rear channel only - slowly cue up the sound of a couple crickets in the distance......

Heil Mantis!

Rooster

[George Grand]

Okay let's break it up. Move along. Go back to your homes, there's nothing to see here. I've got it.

Dan,

While I have you at your throne sire, you tell your folks to call you Mantis instead of the name they gave you yet? That'll go over big. Probably try and slap some sense into you. How about your boss? You tell him to make out those checks to "Mantis" yet? We both know the minute you do he's gonna grab those truck keys and make you zizz in a small bottle. Announce yourself to the customers as Mantis and they're gonna hide the kids and small pets.

Time for a reality check there or what sport?


Yours truly,

Scrotus

[TroyD]

Originally posted by mantis
Ok we are now back to this........ok wanna do it thats fine.......


Troy,
The mail I sent you back then was correct for what was going on then............you know what I was talking about as you should.I didn't see any replies in my mailbox........so......then is then.

As far as your little joke about what to do with your system????Home depot isn't far is it.I understand you personally think there wire is fine,why use anything else.Frankly I don't care what you do with your system or systems for that matter.


Is it just me but you just can't beat the entertainment value around here......

Dan,

You didn't see any replies to your mailbox for, well, 2 reasons. One, I wasn't at that location so I didn't know of thier existence until just yesterday. Two, I would never send anything like that to anyone. I'd like to think that I'm a little more civil than that. You like to obscenity laced name calling. Different strokes for left handed people, I guess.

OK, so you don't care about my systems, which is fine. Yes, I do think that you can get acceptable results with inexpensive wire. If you have the time though, maybe you can give us a rundown of the pros and cons of some of the different brands, eh?

BDT

[Frank Z]

ROFLMAO!!


This is better than "Must See TV!!"

[TroyD]

The return of Scroticus......that guy is a HOOT!

You think Dan shows up to a job with a kimono on and a bandana around his head and walks around the room silently almost in a state of meditation sort of like Keith Carradine in the old Kung Fu program?

"I sense many bad reflections in this room"

BDT

[mantis]

Russ,
as usual I see..........here's one for yeah.....eff off.

George Grand,
reality check ????Are you that stupid?Crist man Hello I'm not the only one who doesn't go by there real name,not like you and everyone else doesn't know who I am........your post was pointless and stupid just like everything else your sorry unwanted ass writes around here.Much better when you called it quits,why don't you keep it that way little man.

Troy,
get over it will yeah.What was said was between you and I.That was then and you know what you said to piss me off like that.I just don't go around talking/writing things like to people for no reason.Want to settle that,IM me,e mail me lets get past it ok?

Really......you do whatever your heart desires with your system Troy.You seem to disagree with everything I say anyway so what in this lifetime would you want anything from me???Really dude you have shown it 100x over so why don't we just bury it once and for all.
As far as wire goes,you tell the tale.I have told mine over the years,it's about time you step up to the plate and give or shed some light on the topic.Home depot or whatever else........your call not mine.I like what I like.........you go like what you like.I think thats fair.
And by the way it's David and Keith..........

[RuSsMaN]

Originally posted by TroyD
You think Dan shows up to a job with a kimono on and a bandana around his head and walks around the room silently almost in a state of meditation sort of like Keith Carradine in the old Kung Fu program?

"I sense many bad reflections in this room"

For some reason, I've got a GREAT Chris Farley image in my head..... what WAS that movie?

Dan, you effin retard!!! But please, don't bring out 'evil Dan' on us, I don't think we could cope.... ;)

Cheers,
Rooster

[organ]

C'mon guys. Let's all get along. Here's a happy face for Dan:), one for Russ:) and one for Troy:). Feel better?

:DMaurice:D