Bully gets owned !!!

[Toolfan66]

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[nooshinjohn]

The video has been pulled, but I say this on a certain Fox News program....


The little twerp got exactly what he deserved for being stupid.

[Melz709]

Rofl...

[Rivrrat]

I've seen it too. It's never a good idea to mess with someone twice your size.

[Zeros]

The Casey!

[Libertyc]

Casey The Punisher

http://www.facebook.com/CaseyThaPunisher

[bklynNupe]

Did I see little man tap out?
:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:

Too funny

[silvertuner]

good to see, made me smile. that kid may have slight brain damage from that hit

[tonyb]

....and that folks, is how to deal with Bullies. Man, looks like concrete he got slammed on with his leg hitting those steps too. Ouch!!!

[DMara]

....and that folks, is how to deal with Bullies. Man, looks like concrete he got slammed on with his leg hitting those steps too. Ouch!!!

Yeah right, this is just an exception. I mean how many times would you see a bully being that skinny? :tongue: Most of the bullies are bigger and taller than their victims for crying out loud. The "bully" in this video is just plain stupid :biggrin:

[xcapri79]

Slamming a someone hard onto concrete is rather severe punishment don't you think?
The big guy could have sat on the runt and given him a good slap to teach him a lesson.
That would have been enough.

[4406bbl]

Love it, hope more get it. I know in the schools around here the teachers do nothing and the bullies do tend to be little guys with big mouths that hang out in groups.

[engtaz]

Problem is, most people do not realize that bigger kids don't fight normally. They are too scared of hurting other kids, so little bullies take advantage of them.

[mrbiron]

Law of Gravity......What goes up must come down.
Law of Casey.......When I pick you up, you go down. HARD!

[TNRabbit]

I saw on his facebook page the mother of the "bully" was demanding an apology from Casey! WT*?

PWNED with a capital "P"~

[treitz3]

How about demanding from her own son, a genuine apology to the kid he provoked first. What is it with parents these days?

[madmax]

Slamming a someone hard onto concrete is rather severe punishment don't you think?
The big guy could have sat on the runt and given him a good slap to teach him a lesson.
That would have been enough.

Not at all, it should have been his head instead of his knee.

[maximillian]

This will probably end in a lawsuit. Watch, the parents of the bully will sue Casey for pain and suffering. Both physical pain and the emotional pain for becoming the Internet's ridicule. Stupid society.

[ryanjoachim]

I'm with the big kid on this one. Little guys (especially at the school I work at) are the worst bullies i've ever seen. Napolean complex anyone?

[steveinaz]

Hey, if you don't like being body slammed, don't f with people. Just that simple.

[bsoko2]

Casey didn't do anything the first time he was hit, then the little sh#t hit him again then got slammed. He had it coming.

[steveinaz]

Slamming a someone hard onto concrete is rather severe punishment don't you think?
The big guy could have sat on the runt and given him a good slap to teach him a lesson.
That would have been enough.

Of course, shame on the victim for defending himself...:rolleyes:

[Toolfan66]

Of course, shame on the victim for defending himself...:rolleyes:

He just had the same punisment as a child is all..:tongue:

[tonyb]

Yeah right, this is just an exception. I mean how many times would you see a bully being that skinny? :tongue: Most of the bullies are bigger and taller than their victims for crying out loud. The "bully" in this video is just plain stupid :biggrin:

Maybe so, but I can tell you from experience growing up, the big guys who were the bully, got pummeled by little guys. The big guys always relied on their size to intimidate, but never knew how to actually fight.

Nothing wrong with this kid protecting himself. He gave the bully a couple chances to back off. Actions have consequences.

[mrbigbluelight]

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Here's an interesting little tidbit:

http://www.joe.ie/news-politics/world-affairs/anonymous-targets-casey-the-punishers-school-0010630-1

[fatchowmein]

He gave the bully a couple chances to back off.

Seems like giving the bully a chance to back off only emboldens him. Once pummeled, he ran.

[bobman1235]

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1219834185_75SEg-L.jpg

[ryanjoachim]

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/1219834185_75SEg-L.jpg

Ha! Classic.

[Jstas]

I'm with the big kid on this one. Little guys (especially at the school I work at) are the worst bullies i've ever seen. Napolean complex anyone?

This is in the top ten of most dimwitted posts I've ever seen on Club Polk.

Size obviously has nothing to do with bullying since they come in all shapes and sizes. Additionally, studies have shown that bullying is not consistent with size but rather environmental influences. Often, bullies are kids who have been neglected, mistreated and/or abused in some way in their personal lives. They take out the feelings that those conditions create on others. Various reasons have been cited from a lack of connection to the bullying victim to mimicking an example set by a parent or other influential adult.

Bullying is a major problem. It's terrorism and far too often do people do nothing to stand up against it. Preferring instead to dismiss it as kids being kids. In reality, there is much more behind and it, at best, results in one psychologically damaged kid psychologically damaging another kid.

I see the smaller kids getting picked on by the bigger kids in my neighborhood all the time and I always make it a point to walk out side and ask the smaller kids if they need help. I will always tell the bigger kids that someone is watching. I've had parents come and try to bully me themselves because I made their precious little brat cry. I will shout them down and belittle them in front of their kid on purpose. Does it help the kids out? No, probably not but I'm not qualified to give that kind of help. What it does do is it lets both kid and parent know that that male bovine excrement is not tolerated or welcome here. I've had several parents stop and thank me for doing so because they had no idea that their kids were being bullied until they heard my big mouth outside shouting at some little kid for their behavior. Inquisitions towards their kids reveal lots of things after that the kids were afraid to say anything about due to threats from the other little terrorists.

I support Casey fully and I am very glad that he stood up to this kid and brought the hurt down. Bottom line, Casey did not lay a hand on that kid. That kid punched and or physically taunted him 7 times before Casey defended himself. That little brat got WRECKED! He deserves all of the pain brought his way and then some. I certainly hope that Casey does not let this go to his head and I certainly hope that Casey will help out other kids in his school that are bullied.

If Casey gets sued, I would gladly throw some cash his way to help out with legal fees. Hell, if Johnny Cochran were still alive, I'd go beg him myself to take the kids case pro-bono. Casey shouldn't be punished, he should be praised.

[silvertuner]

that was a totally reasonable response.

[BlueFox]

An elephant versus a mosquito.

[madmax]

I see the smaller kids getting picked on by the bigger kids in my neighborhood all the time and I always make it a point to walk out side and ask the smaller kids if they need help.

Do you get beat up every time?

[Joe08867]

This kind of crap happened to me in school. Although once a punch is thrown it's on. I wouldn't have waited for the second or third to go ape crap on him.

My favorite part was how the Principle or Guidance Counselors would say i was wrong and should have walked away. Eff that. I made sure he didn't.

I am glad they showed how it really is in some schools. And I am glad that boy stood up for himself.

[silvertuner]

Do you get beat up every time?

no, he just gives the kid a stern talking to, and then runs inside and locks the doors as the kid runs home to get his dad.

[megasat16]

Wow! WWF style without the rings.

No other comment on this.

[Jstas]

Do you get beat up every time?

WTF? Really? They are kids. I'm not going to take a swing at them and I'd probably laugh at them if they did try to do something to me. When I look out the window to see what the commotion is (it's usually on my front lawn as well), I see smaller kids getting picked on by bigger and older kids. They stop when they see someone watching them. Helps that I yell at them to get the hell off my lawn too. That's all that's needed is just a presence of someone else to make the behavior stop. It takes away any power they have over the smaller kids. The older kids usually just call me names and run off. They may be stupid kids but they aren't stupid enough to take a swing at me. Only adults are that stupid.

But, hey, thanks for making light of something I find to be a problem and actually do something about instead of sitting on the Internet writing text about how I think something should be done about it. You're the best!

[Jstas]

no, he just gives the kid a stern talking to, and then runs inside and locks the doors as the kid runs home to get his dad.

???

Who are you again?

[scottyboy76]

Right on casey, big kids are always, ALWAYS judged differently, even if defending themselves, once everyone is hauled in front of principal.

There are bullys of all sizes and shapes.

The suspension of both is ridiculous, wonder if the mindless paper pushers in australia are unionized zombies like in this country.

Love the cartoon and the hackers work, hope casey gets a real life boost from this, and the little punk limps for a long time.

Wonder what the tall kid that followed casey was up to.

[F1nut]

Originally Posted by xcapri79
Slamming a someone hard onto concrete is rather severe punishment don't you think?
The big guy could have sat on the runt and given him a good slap to teach him a lesson.
That would have been enough.

If you're ever sitting around one day wondering why you have such a hard time fitting in, your comment above would be a good clue.

[Jstas]

im a loser on a public forum :biggrin:

I see.

[Jstas]

im a loser on a public forum :biggrin:
Me too!

I know.

[silvertuner]

I see.

troof

[steveinaz]

Alright now, when Jstas throws you on the ground, I don't want to hear any complaining, k? :biggrin:

[bobman1235]

I just pictures a Lightning peaking out from the side of a building, lying in wait....

[silvertuner]

Alright now, when Jstas throws you on the ground, I don't want to hear any complaining, k? :biggrin:


lol... i can take the e-bullying

[obieone]

When I saw that video, with Casey standing there, I could actually hear Dolph Lundgren:tongue:


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[xcapri79]

Moral of the story is that violence begets violence, but I don't think we have seen the end of this story.

The big boy Casey over-reacted and now has to face the consequences of his actions. He could have seriously crippled the little runt. The sentence didn't fit the crime. Sure the runt was the instigator, but one repels an assault with reasonable action. In this case, it was clearly excessive. The little runt could have been crippled for life from such a slam.

Curiously, I wonder if the person who filmed this wasn't a friend of the little runt. It looked like this was a set up from the get go. Was that ever established?

In the end, I hope each boy forgives the other and that they can become friends and not enemies.

[treitz3]

Jesse, you couldn't be more spot on. Some people. :rolleyes:

[Toolfan66]

Moral of the story is that violence begets violence, but I don't think we have seen the end of this story.

The big boy Casey over-reacted and now has to face the consequences of his actions. He could have seriously crippled the little runt. The sentence didn't fit the crime. Sure the runt was the instigator, but one repels an assault with reasonable action. In this case, it was clearly excessive. The little runt could have been crippled for life from such a slam.

Curiously, I wonder if the person who filmed this wasn't a friend of the little runt. It looked like this was a set up from the get go. Was that ever established?

In the end, I hope each boy forgives the other and that they can become friends and not enemies.



OMG!!!!! Really???? hahahahahhaahhahahahahaha!!!!!!

[Toolfan66]

Now I know where the yellow stripe in a rainbow comes from..

[silvertuner]

Moral of the story is that violence begets violence, but I don't think we have seen the end of this story.

The big boy Casey over-reacted and now has to face the consequences of his actions. He could have seriously crippled the little runt. The sentence didn't fit the crime. Sure the runt was the instigator, but one repels an assault with reasonable action. In this case, it was clearly excessive. The little runt could have been crippled for life from such a slam.

Curiously, I wonder if the person who filmed this wasn't a friend of the little runt. It looked like this was a set up from the get go. Was that ever established?

In the end, I hope each boy forgives the other and that they can become friends and not enemies.

i simply disagree with your statement. that "little runt" should cut his losses and take it as a life lesson... IMO of course

[bobman1235]

Moral of the story is that violence begets violence, but I don't think we have seen the end of this story.

The big boy Casey over-reacted and now has to face the consequences of his actions. He could have seriously crippled the little runt. The sentence didn't fit the crime. Sure the runt was the instigator, but one repels an assault with reasonable action. In this case, it was clearly excessive. The little runt could have been crippled for life from such a slam.

Curiously, I wonder if the person who filmed this wasn't a friend of the little runt. It looked like this was a set up from the get go. Was that ever established?

In the end, I hope each boy forgives the other and that they can become friends and not enemies.

Every time I forget about you, you say something newly retarded.

[mrbigbluelight]

If Casey gets sued, I would gladly throw some cash his way to help out with legal fees. Hell, if Johnny Cochran were still alive, I'd go beg him myself to take the kids case pro-bono. Casey shouldn't be punished, he should be praised.

In the past, there may have been one or two instances where we haven't agreed entirely on an issue :rolleyes: .
But on this one, you're dead on the money.
In fact, it would be uber-cool if somebody were to start a web page for "Donations for Casey". What would the money go for ? Legal defense fund ? Future college expenses ? Xbox 360 ? Socks ? I don't know, and I wouldn't care. (except no MP3 player stuff .... I have standards).

It would be interesting to see how much money would be "donated".
No legal entaglements of "Well, we have to set this up as a charitable foundation so that we meet requirements for tax deductions", etc.
Nope.
KISS. "Hey, kid (and your parents), here's some freaking money. Use it wisely, use it unwisely, heck, burn it for all I care. My way of saying, 'You did the right thing'. "


But, hey, thanks for making light of something I find to be a problem and actually do something about instead of sitting on the Internet writing text about how I think something should be done about it.

Keep that attitude up, Mister, and you're going to move up a notch on the Christmas card list !!!


You're the best!

Well ..... :redface: ......

[mrbigbluelight]

Moral of the story is that violence begets violence, but I don't think we have seen the end of this story.

Here's something to consider: what if Casey had been a girl ?

What if the runt had decided, after slapping the female Casey, "Hey, she's taking my malarkey, I think I'm gonna get me some " ?

Should she endure a rape, then follow "proper procedures" and report the rape to the "proper authorities" ?

Or should she fight back at the time of attack ?

Because, X, that's what was happening to Casey. He was being "raped".
Rape is an act of violence, meant to intimidate, terrorize, and dehumanize another human being.
And that is what was happening to Casey in that video.
And had, btw, been occuring many times before (look it up).

In this case, the victim fought back. I say, "More power to you, Casey".

[steveinaz]

Curiously, I wonder if the person who filmed this wasn't a friend of the little runt. It looked like this was a set up from the get go. Was that ever established?


Predictable.
Sympathy for the bad guy, and question the good guy...:rolleyes:

Wonder if we can guess your political affiliation?

[txcoastal1]

Casey took the first punch and did not retaliate till pushed to the limit and stopped once he got his lick in (granted dangerous but he probably would have ended up breaking the kids nose with a punch anyway)

If Casey ment violence it could have been worse.

Hopefully both boy's have lessons learned

[cfrizz]

Outstanding post BBL, and right on the money!

I wish I was Casey's size back when I was a kid being bullied by the cowards who did it to me simply because I was quiet, respectful, & simply did my schoolwork. I would have put a whole bunch of them into the hosp. As it was, I had to depend on teachers to drive me home to make sure I got there in one piece.

I would gladly contribute to a Casey fund. And I'll just bet, not cowardly bully will ever go near him again.

Well done Casey!



Here's something to consider: what if Casey had been a girl ?

What if the runt had decided, after slapping the female Casey, "Hey, she's taking my malarkey, I think I'm gonna get me some " ?

Should she endure a rape, then follow "proper procedures" and report the rape to the "proper authorities" ?

Or should she fight back at the time of attack ?

Because, X, that's what was happening to Casey. He was being "raped".
Rape is an act of violence, meant to intimidate, terrorize, and dehumanize another human being.
And that is what was happening to Casey in that video.
And had, btw, been occuring many times before (look it up).

In this case, the victim fought back. I say, "More power to you, Casey".

[xcapri79]

Here's something to consider: what if Casey had been a girl ?

What if the runt had decided, after slapping the female Casey, "Hey, she's taking my malarkey, I think I'm gonna get me some " ?

Should she endure a rape, then follow "proper procedures" and report the rape to the "proper authorities" ?

Or should she fight back at the time of attack ?

Because, X, that's what was happening to Casey. He was being "raped".
Rape is an act of violence, meant to intimidate, terrorize, and dehumanize another human being.
And that is what was happening to Casey in that video.
And had, btw, been occuring many times before (look it up).

In this case, the victim fought back. I say, "More power to you, Casey".

There was no rape here. That is a red-herring and should be dismissed from discussion.

I didn't say that Casey shouldn't defend himself as he obviously could. In fact I said he should defend himself.

My point is that he used unreasonable force to do so. He deliberately tried to permanently injure his adversary. This was pretty obvious from the video. That is morally wrong. Two wrongs do not make a right and this is a classic case.

As I said, violence begets violence and rammifications follow. The small boy was the aggressor, a bully and a coward. That didn't justify what happened to him.

Now Casey has become a cult hero for standing up to a small bully and trying to break his knee.
There may be a lawsuit from the other side. It is sad to see the revenge mentallity take over.

What ever happened to forgiveness and mercy? Why not give peace a chance?

[Toolfan66]

hehe!!!!!

[mrbigbluelight]

I was hoping, Ms. Cfrizz, that a female would offer an opinion on my post.

There was a concern on my part that seeing this "bullying" for was it was (rape, IMO) might be seen as minimizing this act of violence as it occurs against women.
Nothing could be further from the truth, but a reasonable person might feel that is what I was saying.

If ANYONE gets that impression, and takes offense, then my apology is sincerely offered.

If one has suffered this act personaly, and takes offense, my apology is sincerely offered.

If one knows someone who has suffered this act, and takes offense, my apology is sincerely offered.

I mention this because my posts may reference this act of violence again.

[mrbigbluelight]

There was no rape here. That is a red-herring and should be dismissed from discussion.

Yes, there was.

In fact a gang rape occured, IMO.

Feel free to learn. Or not.

[xcapri79]

And what about the others watching the altercation? Why didn't someone intervene?
That is a sad commentary.

It does happen. Here are examples of someone who did intervene on a bully successfully in a non-violent manner.

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[Jstas]

What ever happened to forgiveness and mercy? Why not give peace a chance?

You want "forgiveness and mercy" from Casey but at the same time you tacitly absolve the bully from any responsibility of forgiveness or mercy towards Casey by making him out to be the victim.

There is a definitive right and wrong here. You're missing it.

Bully = wrong
Casey = defending himself from an attacker

I dunno if you've ever been attacked. I have. From both people I don't know and people I know. When someone comes at you with an intent to do harm, you owe it to yourself, not just them to try and calm the situation through your response. Sometimes, the other party just doesn't get it. More talking does nothing, action is required.

If you are going to get in to a fight, the only "win" is to make sure your attacker cannot get up to follow you and try to harm you again. That is accomplished through either physical injury or by dealing such a crushing defeat the attacker's will to do you harm is eliminated.

Casey defended himself. He had no intention of harming the child as you say he did. He merely wanted to defend himself and he did so. When your mind is in fight or flight mode, self-preservation rules out over being rational and the basic instinct of survival takes over.

The kid is lucky Casey didn't go all Ralphie Parker to the kid's Scut Farkus.

Yes, violence begets violence and your blind bleeding heart is condemning Casey for his violence which will, supposedly, bring more violence. What you miss is that the bully brought the violence first and it was responded to first with pacification, like you keep whining about. It didn't work. Then with violence which accomplished the goal of getting the attack stopped.

You should shut your mouth. You're obviously talking about things you know nothing about. You have no experience with bullies apparently and you have no experience with physical altercations. Your methods you are preaching here DO NOT WORK. The bully would just call you a sissy, hit you a few more times and then tell his pack of slobbering mouth-breathers "Let's go, this loser's just stupid." That mentality doesn't understand reason because there is no reason behind his own actions. Why do you expect him to see any reason behind yours? All he is going to understand is embarrassment and physical pain and that if he doesn't want that anymore, STAY AWAY FROM CASEY. It's not Casey's problem what is wrong with the bully's mind. Casey's problem is he is getting punched, taunted and harassed and he needs to stop it. So he did. End of story.

[xcapri79]

You want "forgiveness and mercy" from Casey but at the same time you tacitly absolve the bully from any responsibility of forgiveness or mercy towards Casey by making him out to be the victim.


Nonsense. You obviously didn't read what I wrote. Start over.

I'll simplify it for you, here are some relevant quotes.
You can then read the whole of my text via the view post links.


Slamming a someone hard onto concrete is rather severe punishment don't you think?
The big guy could have sat on the runt and given him a good slap to teach him a lesson.
That would have been enough.


Moral of the story is that violence begets violence, but I don't think we have seen the end of this story.

.......The sentence didn't fit the crime. Sure the runt was the instigator, but one repels an assault with reasonable action. .......

In the end, I hope each boy forgives the other and that they can become friends and not enemies.



I didn't say that Casey shouldn't defend himself as he obviously could. In fact I said he should defend himself.

As I said, violence begets violence and rammifications follow. The small boy was the aggressor, a bully and a coward. That didn't justify what happened to him.

There may be a lawsuit from the other side. It is sad to see the revenge mentallity take over.

What ever happened to forgiveness and mercy? Why not give peace a chance?

[mrbigbluelight]

Truth be told, IMO, Casey was being gang raped.
There were many participants in this act.

Notice in the uncut, original video below:

First 20 seconds: we have our runt, we have the "videographer", we have the dude with the black backpack, and we have 2 young "lady" observers. All are participants.
Runt: active participant. Speaks for itself.
Videographer: active participant. Vocal encouragements, "Keep it coming, keep it coming ", etc.
Backpack Dude: Active Participant. Vocal encouragement. "Wow, this is getting sad, bro ", giggling.
The 2 young lady observers: Active participants. Having a fine time observing the "fun".

Regarding the 2 young ladies, one might say, "Well, they didn't know what to do !". I would discount that by noting, at the 20 second mark, they knew to bail when the "videographer" stated: "Keep it coming, keep it coming ! Look at who that is in the background ! (referring to the older student approaching the scene).
They knew to bail because they knew what was going on was wrong.
As did all the other participants.

20 second mark: "Look at who is coming". Up to this point, Casey endured, as he has in the past, having his manhood taking away over several years. In front of other males. In this case, in front of females also. BUT it would be my opinion that the older female who approached the scene was the straw that broke the camels back.

She, IMO, meant something to him. He was no longer going to allow his manhood to be questioned (with taunts) or to be taken away (with violence against his person).
So the rape ended. And he struck back.
And regained, from his perspective, his manhood.
He could have obliterated the runt after the body slam, but Casey didn't.
Why not ? Because he had regained what he had felt he lost: his manhood.
Casey could have also obliterated the backpack dude who got in his face, but he didn't despite taunts of "Hey, eff you !".
Why not ? Again, because Casey had his manhood back; he was no longer a victim and backpack dude was no longer a threat

Here's the original, uncut video.

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[tonyb]

The bully...and Casey, both learned life lessons from this with no special laws required, no special bullying classes taken. It's a simple example of what we all grew up with and learned from. Unfortunately, some think these life lessons should be removed, by law if they have to. Life in general has many life lessons that simply isn't learned from a book. Just like that old JC song....You don't tug on Supermans cape, you don't spit into the wind, you don't pull the mask off the Lone Ranger and you don't mess around with....Casey.:biggrin:

[ben62670]

That was only one shot after the twerp hit him in the face and was humiliating him in front of his classmates. Are you for real crapster? He slammed him once and let him go. I would have gotten on the twerp and held him there humiliating him. Hats off to the big fella for having control and not over doing it. Crappy do you realize that there is next to nobody that agrees with your useless posts here? Not just here, but your stupidity is plastered all over this forum. I'll just chock it up as you seek attention. Even if it is negative.

[mdaudioguy]

Unfortunately, not all victims of bullying will be able to get such an opportunity to respond to their taunters like this kid did. If the sizes were reversed, and the big kid was the aggressor/taunter, a little kid wouldn't stand a chance. That's why I think those who witness and do nothing, therefore enabling the bullying to continue, bear the greatest responsibility, and should be shouldering the most blame. It takes tremendous courage to intervene, and I applaud any who do.

If that little punk were my kid, one look at that video, and all I'd say to him is, "Well, looks like you got what you deserved."

EDIT: Ok, maybe not the most blame. :wink:

[mdaudioguy]

My point is, there will likely always be bullies, and those who they pick on. It's the rest of us who have the greatest chance to correct and/or change the situation.

[McLoki]

As I said, violence begets violence and rammifications follow. The small boy was the aggressor, a bully and a coward. That didn't justify what happened to him.

What ever happened to forgiveness and mercy? Why not give peace a chance?

The following quote explains very well why your entire philosophy does not and will not work.


"It does the sheep no good to preach the goodness of a diet of grass, if the wolves are of a different mind." Nathan Rahl- Terry Goodkind, Stone of Tears

[Jstas]

The bully...and Casey, both learned life lessons from this with no special laws required, no special bullying classes taken. It's a simple example of what we all grew up with and learned from. Unfortunately, some think these life lessons should be removed, by law if they have to. Life in general has many life lessons that simply isn't learned from a book.

You were one of the people who picked on other kids when you were smaller, weren't you? 'Cause it's usually those who were bullies themselves in the past who see things like this as "life lessons".

Teasing and the typical childhood BS is one thing. Actively singling out one person repeatedly and terrorizing them with threats, public embarrassment, physical altercations and other such behavior is not OK any time, any place or any way. There is no lesson learned by the victim beyond the idea that nobody cares, nobody will stick up for them or come to their aid and that they don't matter. That is permanently damaging to a child and affects them throughout the rest of their lives.

If you can't see the distinction between typical childish taunts and the terrorism that is bullying then honestly, you're part of the problem.

[tonyb]

A tad cranky today John ? LOL !!

[Jstas]

If that little punk were my kid, one look at that video, and all I'd say to him is, "Well, looks like you got what you deserved."

EDIT: Ok, maybe not the most blame. :wink:

THAT'S ALL?!?! Pfft! If it were my kid, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed! My kid would be marched or driven right over to Casey's house and he would issue the most sincerely apology he could. I would apologize directly to Casey and his parents for my little **** of a crotchfruit putting him and his family through this BS and assure them it would never happen again. I would leave my contact information and instruct them to tell me if and when this little bastard tried this with Casey again and it would be handled immediately. Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

I will be dead in my grave before I let any child of mine get away with behaving like that towards anyone else.

[hearingimpared]

That vid clip above is the first time I'm seeing this whole saga. From where I stand, the big kid had mercy on this bully and could have done a lot worse as I'm sure this isn't the first time the bullying took place. There are times in life that you just can't talk your way out of a fight and that defending yourself is the only way out of getting hurt. As I said the big kid could have done a lot worse but instead just stopped the bully from hurting him further and walked away.

[tonyb]

To answer your question John, no, I was never a bully, but had many friends and enemies, who were. The life lesson Casey learned is to not be a victim in the first place and to stand up for himself. If you think that is bad,mentally for the kid then I can't help ya there.
To relate a childhood bully to terrorism is nonsense, plain and simple. Maybe your the type to throw all acts of aggresion into the blanket "terrorism" theme, because it's the neat buzzword of the day.

[xcapri79]

The following quote explains very well why your entire philosophy does not and will not work.


"It does the sheep no good to preach the goodness of a diet of grass, if the wolves are of a different mind." Nathan Rahl- Terry Goodkind, Stone of Tears

Sheep are food for wolves, not grass. Wolves need to eat to survive and it is their basic nature to eat sheep if they can find them. The analogy is quite flawed.

We should not confuse animal survival instinct with the human capability for rational thought and responsibility for action.

[amulford]

I'll tell you what. I used to get picked on quite a bit when I was a child. Being pretty small and living in a rather rough neighborhood, I made for a good target. I'm talking almost daily, here. That lasted about 5 years.

You see, during that time I learned how to defend myself. Oh yeah, I tried peaceful resolution, but it very rarely, if ever, worked. Usually I had to kick the **** out of them to end it. Which I often did purely out of necessity.

As I got older, honing and adding my skills all the while, I would often intercede on the underdogs' behalf. Very often I got myself in trouble doing it, but that made no difference to me. I just did what I had to and accepted the consequences.

To make a long story short, the noble ideas are just that. The reality is you have to draw the line and take care of business when the time comes. To do anything else will 1) invite further episodes of the same treatment 2) Destroy your self confidence and self worth and 3) Put you in jeopardy at some point because those types of personalities very often don't know when or how to stop.

Casey showed excellent self restraint. He took care of business. If it were me placed in that situation, the first kid would have been laid out then his friend right next to him. So I applaud Casey.

[hearingimpared]

Sheep are food for wolves, not grass. Wolves need to eat to survive and it is their basic nature to eat sheep if they can find them. The analogy is quite flawed.

We should not confuse animal survival instinct with the human capability for rational thought and responsibility for action.

X from what I've seen and read here, there is no rational thought process when someone is trying to hurt you. Defend yourself, disable the bully from hurting you further. That is what seemed to have happend here and it's a shame that these schools with zero tolerance would punish this poor kid with suspension for defusing the situation and then walking away.

[tonyb]

Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

.

Interesting....your response to a kid being a bully, is to be a bully yourself.

[mrbigbluelight]

And what about the others watching the altercation? Why didn't someone intervene?

Someone did intervene: Casey.
And with restrained, directed use of force in a manner sufficient to solve the problem.
Excellent job, Casey.


It does happen. Here are examples of someone who did intervene on a bully successfully in a non-violent manner.

And those videos do demonstrate someone who did intervene on a bully successfully in a non-violent manner.
Which does not apply to the Casey situation, of course.

In your first video, "In Response to Bullying", Andrew Jenks describes how he was called "Stinky" and other names by bullys on the school bus. Andrew's last class was gym and he does say he probably did smell, but we'd all agree that he shouldn't have been taunted. Andrew was verbally picked on until a more popular student, Cameron, stood up for him and made the bully(s) back down.

In your second video, "Anti-Bullying Ad", a younger Irish (?) lad is seemingly taunted everyday by a group of bullies while a second group sits nearby on a bench and sees this occuring. One day the group of bullies walks by the Irish lad and doesn't taunt him; the implication is that the group on the bench has spoken with the bullies and told them to back off.

Couple of reasons why that doesn't apply to Casey.

In both videos, other people intervened to stop the bullying.
In both videos, there were no physical attacks.

This was not the situation with Casey.

Nobody intervened for Casey.
Casey endured several years of verbal AND physical abuse.

You videos show bullying.
The Casey video shows a rape.

Verbal attacks can be responded to verbally. No violence required.
Non-verbal attacks can also be responded to non-verbally. Up to a point. When the severity of the attack is too severe (whether by the amount of force and/or length of time force is applied) then "violence" may be justified. And who determines if "violence" is justified ?
Simple. The victim.
Better hope the victim has better judgement than you and is more merciful than you, because it is his/her game now.
And Casey had better judgement and was more merciful than his attacker.

Kudos to Casey.

[xcapri79]

X from what I've seen and read here, there is no rational thought process when someone is trying to hurt you. Defend yourself, disable the bully from hurting you further. That is what seemed to have happend here and it's a shame that these schools with zero tolerance would punish this poor kid with suspension for defusing the situation and then walking away.

There is the important role of parenting and coaching to be considered here.
We need to learn how to react rationally through the human "thinking part" of our brain instead of reacting emotionally.

A good coach tells his players not to retaliate when another player commits an infraction upon you. "Use your brain and not your gut." The retaliating player is often penalized worse than the aggressor. Learn to channel your anger into constructive behaviour, like scoring a goal with your stick instead of retaliating with a slash of your stick."
It does work.


Someone did intervene: Casey.
And with restrained, directed use of force in a manner sufficient to solve the problem.
Excellent job, Casey.

And those videos do demonstrate someone who did intervene on a bully successfully in a non-violent manner.
Which does not apply to the Casey situation, of course.

In your first video, "In Response to Bullying", Andrew Jenks describes how he was called "Stinky" and other names by bullys on the school bus. Andrew's last class was gym and he does say he probably did smell, but we'd all agree that he shouldn't have been taunted. Andrew was verbally picked on until a more popular student, Cameron, stood up for him and made the bully(s) back down.

In your second video, "Anti-Bullying Ad", a younger Irish (?) lad is seemingly taunted everyday by a group of bullies while a second group sits nearby on a bench and sees this occuring. One day the group of bullies walks by the Irish lad and doesn't taunt him; the implication is that the group on the bench has spoken with the bullies and told them to back off.

Couple of reasons why that doesn't apply to Casey.

In both videos, other people intervened to stop the bullying.
In both videos, there were no physical attacks.

This was not the situation with Casey.

Nobody intervened for Casey.
Casey endured several years of verbal AND physical abuse.

You videos show bullying.
The Casey video shows a rape.

Verbal attacks can be responded to verbally. No violence required.
Non-verbal attacks can also be responded to non-verbally. Up to a point. When the severity of the attack is too severe (whether by the amount of force and/or length of time force is applied) then "violence" may be justified. And who determines if "violence" is justified ?
Simple. The victim.
Better hope the victim has better judgement than you and is more merciful than you, because it is his/her game now.
And Casey had better judgement and was more merciful than his attacker.

Kudos to Casey.

In the Casey video, there were bystanders that stood by until the small bully was slammed. Then a taller boy stood in front of Casey to prevent Casey from further attachkng. The a taller girl stood up to the tall boy. Too bad they didn't interfere earlier.

With respect to the other videos I posted, there was a slight physical attack on the red headed small boy another boy swipes the top of his head. That video is toned down as in reality, the swipe would have likely been more deliberate.

Both videos make the point that bystanders should intervene to stop bullying.
This should have happened in Casey's case, before it escalated.
We are all our brother's keeper and we should instruct our children and players to do the same.

[McLoki]

Sheep are food for wolves, not grass. Wolves need to eat to survive and it is their basic nature to eat sheep if they can find them. The analogy is quite flawed.

We should not confuse animal survival instinct with the human capability for rational thought and responsibility for action.

You seem to be the one that is confused. When getting taunted, attacked and laughed at in front of others you go into a survival instinct. It may be to cover your head and cower, it may be to run or it may be to fight back.

Based on what you can see from the video, I guess the big kid did not have a lot of fighting experience to draw from - once he had hold of the kid, he did not really seem to know what to do with him. When you don't have personal experience to draw from - you pull it from what you have seen or heard others do. In this case - a body slam. We have all see wrestlers do this with the effect of stunning an opponent - that is what he did.

I am sure you will argue that he should know there are springs under a wrestling mat and concrete is pretty damn hard - but that is a thought for after it is over. He did not pursue the kid after he was down, and he waited until he staggered to his feet to walk off. He showed more thought and mercy that was warranted given the situation.

I know the bully could have been (and may have been) seriously hurt, but you know what? I really don't care. There are mean people in the world - when it comes time to thin the herd, bullies are not bad ones to start with in my opinion.

Michael

[mrbigbluelight]

A good coach tells his players to not retaliate when another player commits an infraction upon you. "Use your brain and not your gut." The retaliating player is often penalized worse than the aggressor. "Learn to channel your anger into constructive behaviour, like scoring a goal with your stick instead of retaliating with a slash of your stick."
It does work.

The retaliating player is often penalized worse ..... by whom ?

Either a referee, umpire, etc, of course.

By someone who INTERVENES.

Bad analogy, X. Please continue, though.

Welcome comments regarding the videos you posted that also don't apply in the Casey case.

[hearingimpared]

X I've always taught my two boys to try to talk their way out of a fight and if possible walk away. But! when you have someone who wants to hurt you and hits you then dances around and throws more blows whether they connected or not, it's time to protect yourself. I agree with the poster above. He didn't seem to have much experience protecting himself thus did in the heat and fear of the moment, disable the bully and waited just to make sure he wasn't going to be attacked again then just simply left the scene.

I think he showed incredble restraint expecially considering that his size could have been used to hospitalize the bully.

It seems you like to go against the grain and not look at the actual facts man!

[xcapri79]

The retaliating player is often penalized worse ..... by whom ?

Either a referee, umpire, etc, of course.

By someone who INTERVENES.

Bad analogy, X. Please continue, though.

Welcome comments regarding the videos you posted that also don't apply in the Casey case.

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.

[hearingimpared]

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.

But X this goes against your premise. The officials don't get to see all the infractions and thus things tend to get taken care of by the parties involved. Cooler heads prevail in a hockey game !?! I don't think so pal, with all that adrenaline pumping and in the heat of battle.

Poor analogy man.

[xcapri79]

You seem to be the one that is confused. When getting taunted, attacked and laughed at in front of others you go into a survival instinct. It may be to cover your head and cower, it may be to run or it may be to fight back.

Based on what you can see from the video, I guess the big kid did not have a lot of fighting experience to draw from - once he had hold of the kid, he did not really seem to know what to do with him. When you don't have personal experience to draw from - you pull it from what you have seen or heard others do. In this case - a body slam. We have all see wrestlers do this with the effect of stunning an opponent - that is what he did.

I am sure you will argue that he should know there are springs under a wrestling mat and concrete is pretty damn hard - but that is a thought for after it is over. He did not pursue the kid after he was down, and he waited until he staggered to his feet to walk off. He showed more thought and mercy that was warranted given the situation.

I know the bully could have been (and may have been) seriously hurt, but you know what? I really don't care. There are mean people in the world - when it comes time to thin the herd, bullies are not bad ones to start with in my opinion.

Michael

I wonder if you made the case for the small boy's parents to sue the WWE?
It wouldn't surprise me, if they could prove that Casey watched the WWE all the time.



X I've always taught my two boys to try to talk their way out of a fight and if possible walk away. But! when you have someone who wants to hurt you and hits you then dances around and throws more blows whether they connected or not, it's time to protect yourself. I agree with the poster above. He didn't seem to have much experience protecting himself thus did in the heat and fear of the moment, disable the bully and waited just to make sure he wasn't going to be attacked again then just simply left the scene.

I think he showed incredble restraint expecially considering that his size could have been used to hospitalize the bully.

It seems you like to go against the grain and not look at the actual facts man!

Rewatch the original video. Casey did not show retraint when he deliberately slammed the smaller boy onto the concrete. The violence was quite shocking. As McLoki inferred, perhaps he watched too much wrestling.
Did you notice the tall boy with the backpack who stood in Casey's way to prevent Casey from attacking further?


But X this goes against your premise. The officials don't get to see all the infractions and thus things tend to get taken care of by the parties involved. Cooler heads prevail in a hockey game !?! I don't think so pal, with all that adrenaline pumping and in the heat of battle.

Poor analogy man.

I used hockey as an example where on ice bullying happens all the time. Mayhem that breaks out is often, if not always the result, of poor coaching. Good coaching like good parenting can be used to defuse a situation instead of escalating it.

The Casey incident illustrates how poor parenting results in inappropriate behaviour by students in school.

[mrbigbluelight]

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.


I bleed blue.

But whatever misdirecting analogy you wish to offer, be assured that I will assist you by re-directing it back to the topic of Casey.

And your latest analogy: Never been to a hockey game or watched one on T.V. where one player would have been allowed to attack another player like that perpetrated against Casey.
Would never happen.
Unless ..... the referees were pulled.
Which never happens, of course: pull the goalie, happens all the time.

But Casey was playing on a rink with no referees, no linesmen, no goal judges.
So he went Bob Probert on his attacker.

Actually, it would have been kind of nice if he had gone Bob Probert on his attacker. And I hated Bob Probert with a passion. But a Bob Probert response would have been okay. Being the apparent tolerant, patient person he is, Casey chose not to go that route.

So do me a favor: put a little effort in formulating your analogies (on topic would be nice) and I will continue to do an excellent job of correcting them.
I shall intervene for you.

[xcapri79]

I bleed blue.

But whatever misdirecting analogy you wish to offer, be assured that I will assist you by re-directing it back to the topic of Casey.

And your latest analogy: Never been to a hockey game or watched one on T.V. where one player would have been allowed to attack another player like that perpetrated against Casey.
Would never happen.
Unless ..... the referees were pulled.
Which never happens, of course: pull the goalie, happens all the time.

But Casey was playing on a rink with no referees, no linesmen, no goal judges.
So he went Bob Probert on his attacker.

Actually, it would have been kind of nice if he had gone Bob Probert on his attacker. And I hated Bob Probert with a passion. But a Bob Probert response would have been okay. Being the apparent tolerant, patient person he is, Casey chose not to go that route.

So do me a favor: put a little effort in formulating your analogies (on topic would be nice) and I will continue to do an excellent job of correcting them.
I shall intervene for you.

Don't you think that good parenting and good coaching can make a difference?
That is my point. I'm sure that behind every bully is a bad parent.
This holds true in athletics as well.

Casey did not show tolerance with his forceful slam of a smaller boy onto concrete.

In the Casey incident, both parents and children should receive some counselling in addition to the suspensions.

Bob Probert was no role model for any one. The man had serious problems.

http://www.thesportsbank.net/blackhawks/bob-probert-death-of-a-drunk-cocaine-offender-and-hockey-goon/

[F1nut]

Quote:
Originally Posted by xcapri79
A good coach tells his players to not retaliate when another player commits an infraction upon you. "Use your brain and not your gut." The retaliating player is often penalized worse than the aggressor. "Learn to channel your anger into constructive behaviour, like scoring a goal with your stick instead of retaliating with a slash of your stick."
It does work.


There was a little guy in my high school that had suffered the effects of polio, it affected his athletic abilities, yet he tried his best when it came to gym/sports. There was this other guy, a big jock type that was always verbally picking on the guy with polio. One day we were in gym class playing touch football, the little guy had the ball when the big jock put a crushing hit on that kid that left him hurt on the ground. I ran over to the jock, yelling at him for what he did. We exchanged words and then he put his hand on me. I dropped him with one punch. The "coach" shook my hand, patted me on the back and said, "well done." No one got suspended. The jock learned a life lesson, never bothered the guy with polio again and avoided me like the plague.

It does work.

[hearingimpared]

There was a little guy in my high school that had suffered the effects of polio, it affected his athletic abilities, yet he tried his best when it came to gym/sports. There was this other guy, a big jock type that was always verbally picking on the guy with polio. One day we were in gym class playing touch football, the little guy had the ball when the big jock put a crushing hit on that kid that left him hurt on the ground. I ran over to the jock, yelling at him for what he did. We exchanged words and then he put his hand on me. I dropped him with one punch. The "coach" shook my hand, patted me on the back and said, "well done." No one got suspended. The jock learned a life lesson, never bothered the guy with polio again and avoided me like the plague.

It does work.

Ahhhh the good ole days!

[mdaudioguy]

THAT'S ALL?!?! Pfft! If it were my kid, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed! My kid would be marched or driven right over to Casey's house and he would issue the most sincerely apology he could. I would apologize directly to Casey and his parents for my little **** of a crotchfruit putting him and his family through this BS and assure them it would never happen again. I would leave my contact information and instruct them to tell me if and when this little bastard tried this with Casey again and it would be handled immediately. Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

I will be dead in my grave before I let any child of mine get away with behaving like that towards anyone else.
No. I said all, but, of course there would be plenty more. But, I've brought them up better than that. That would be the basis for my response, though. No sympathy for a bully. However, too many parents of bullies probably never even believe their kids are bullies.

[hearingimpared]

No. I said all, but, of course there would be plenty more. But, I've brought them up better than that. That would be the basis for my response, though. No sympathy for a bully. However, too many parents of bullies probably never even believe their kids are bullies.

Or in this day and age with things as they are with kids the parents may not even be aware which is a terrible shame.

[xcapri79]

Or in this day and age with things as they are with kids the parents may not even be aware which is a terrible shame.

So we agree. Thank you.

[madmax]

Casey did not show tolerance with his forceful slam of a smaller boy onto concrete.


For this I applaud the young man. Way to go Casey! Its a shame he didn't break his leg and give him a good knee shot in the groin. Too many puss types around today without backbones.

[Keiko]

I say we make Casey a mod assistant. Casey, The Enforcer. :biggrin:

Good on the kid for standing up to that punk. From what I saw in the vid, bully boy asked for it and got exactly what he deserved; a lesson in humility.

[xcapri79]

Both boys were rightly suspended by the school for their violent actions. This school like many others has a zero tolerance for violence, because violence is not the answer. It is sad to see that so many advocate taking the law into their hands and committing violence as a means to resolving personal conflict. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Personal attacks from bullies on this forum show them for who they are.

[treitz3]

My comment wasn't a personal attack. It was a suggestion that is advised you not take lightly.

[bobman1235]

Both boys were rightly suspended by the school for their violent actions. This school like many others has a zero tolerance for violence, because violence is not the answer. It is sad to see that so many advocate taking the law into their hands and committing violence as a means to resolving personal conflict. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Personal attacks from bullies on this forum show them for who they are.

Zero tolerance = zero brains. Simple as taht. Every situation requires someone to think and consider the circumstances, a concept you're unfamiliar with, I know.

Someone punches you in the face, repeatedly, you hit them back, or it's not going to stop. That's reality. And in the heat of the moment, WHILE FIGHTING, you don't think "hmm,what is a rational response to this situation? How can I politely respond in kind?" You don't understand that because you've never been in anything resembling that situation. You sit on your high horse and judge a 16-year old kid for not responding perfectly after being tormented. He's a f***ing kid. A mindset you should be familiar with, you childish little instigator.

[mdaudioguy]

Both boys were rightly suspended by the school for their violent actions. This school like many others has a zero tolerance for violence, because violence is not the answer. It is sad to see that so many advocate taking the law into their hands and committing violence as a means to resolving personal conflict. Two wrongs do not make a right.

Personal attacks from bullies on this forum show them for who they are.
So, a kid takes a few shots, doesn't retaliate, and runs off to tell an administrator. Let's assume there's no video. The attacker denies everything. His friends (possibly the only witnesses) back him up. The school has no justification to punish him (is suspension really a punishment anyhow?), or perhaps the victim has a bruise, so they decide to suspend the bully. Either way, those bullies are going to strike again, probably in a place off school grounds, where the victim has no help, no possible witnesses, and no chance. This is just the way it goes. The sad thing is that this bully may not be reformed by any of this, but if he tries to pick on someone again, it's far less likely to be Casey. And I think that was Casey's intent.

[stuwee]

THAT'S ALL?!?! Pfft! If it were my kid, I'd be thoroughly embarrassed! My kid would be marched or driven right over to Casey's house and he would issue the most sincerely apology he could. I would apologize directly to Casey and his parents for my little s@#t of a crotchfruit putting him and his family through this BS and assure them it would never happen again. I would leave my contact information and instruct them to tell me if and when this little bastard tried this with Casey again and it would be handled immediately. Then I would drag the kid home by his ear and knock his block off, post haste. He'd be grounded for the rest of the school year and all of his "toys" and privileges taken away. Then he would spend the summer in my employ being worked and shown how a real man behaves. If he didn't learn his lesson, military school and I would sign the waiver emphatically that would allow them to issue beatings.

I will be dead in my grave before I let any child of mine get away with behaving like that towards anyone else.

Hmmm, interesting, I report Jstas for attacking me and being a douche, and my post and his gets deleted....no fair!!:frown:

[xcapri79]

You don't understand that because you've never been in anything resembling that situation.

You couldn't be more wrong. You don't know my personal history so you can't say that. The fact of the matter is I have witnessed those situations growing up in the tough area. To summarize, retaliatory violence was not the answer to resolving the problem.

The school, parents, children, and the local authorities as necessary need to work together to keep the school safe from this violence. Education of all parties is paramount. Volunteer parent yard monitors are a good way to keep the school yard safe. I've seen local law enforcement get involved with keeping a school safe.

Citizens should remain civil and refrain from taking the law into their own hands. In particular people need to show restraint from overreaction and retaliation with unreasonable force.

[bobman1235]

Oh you witnessed it! Totally the same as being in it. You totally understand what he was going through if you witnessed it.

You live in a fairy tale world that doesn't exist, and never will. The complete unwillingness of people like you to accept that does far more damage than any amount of fighting ever will.

[Keiko]

So, a kid takes a few shots, doesn't retaliate, and runs off to tell an administrator. Let's assume there's no video. The attacker denies everything. His friends (possibly the only witnesses) back him up. The school has no justification to punish him (is suspension really a punishment anyhow?), or perhaps the victim has a bruise, so they decide to suspend the bully. Either way, those bullies are going to strike again, probably in a place off school grounds, where the victim has no help, no possible witnesses, and no chance. This is just the way it goes. The sad thing is that this bully may not be reformed by any of this, but if he tries to pick on someone again, it's far less likely to be Casey. And I think that was Casey's intent.

Maybe now the bully will think twice before trying to punk another kid. If he does, I hope he gets another lesson in humiliation. Good on Casey for defending himself and slamming that little ass clown. Timmy Tuff Nuts asked for it and got exactly what he deserved.

[cstmar01]

I guess you haven't seen too many hockey games. A lot happens before the referees intervene. There are only two or three referees and 12 players. They simply can't be everywhere at the same time.
That is the time when cooler heads need to prevail.

so everything that happens in a hockey game that is of violent nature happens when the ref isn't looking?

Like being checked hard into a board where the puck is? I don't think I've ever seen a ref break that up or run up and be like "ok guys now your being too aggressive, stop."

I think you would prefer them to play with wet noodles.

Is football to violent for you? They hit each other all the time. Maybe they should stop.

X you complain about being bullied on a freakin' forum.

Maybe if you didn't take a stance that YOU KNOW WILL CAUSE A REACTION, you wouldn't be so bullied.

What was that a good coach tells them to channel their anger to make a goal and not take it out? Think you need to follow your own advice, rather than provoking people to call you names etc work on being normal for once. If you can't handle that, then the forum isn't for you.

[txcoastal1]

You couldn't be more wrong. You don't know my personal history so you can't say that. The fact of the matter is I have witnessed those situations growing up in the tough area. To summarize, retaliatory violence was not the answer to resolving the problem.


"retaliatory violence".....NOT....at this point

he was defending himself for that day, and days of abuse to come.

There is a difference

[Knucklehead]

In response to X's absurd comments: I have a 12 year old Son, he is 5'8" 225lbs wears a size 14 shoe, very active in sports etc... he towers over most 6th graders in his school, in no way shape or form is he a bully, in fact he gets along with most everyone, ...my point is, if he gets popped in the face a couple of times out of the blue, you can count on the other kid getting hurt. No doubt.

[mrbigbluelight]

You don't know my personal history so you can't say that.

I'd dare say that you haven't been in any hockey fights. :rolleyes:


The fact of the matter is I have witnessed those situations growing up in the tough area.

Have absolutely no reservations in saying that we can take your word to the bank on that: you "witnessed" those situations.
Probably pretty traumatic to "witness" those situations. :rolleyes:


The school, parents, children, and the local authorities as necessary need to work together to keep the school safe from this violence. Education of all parties is paramount.

It's a shame that the school, parents, children, and the local authorities as necessary involved with Casey weren't aware of that advanced concept before Casey's attack.


Volunteer parent yard monitors are a good way to keep the school yard safe.

Sure it is. Well, at least it let's us feel good having good thoughts like that.
Works real well for students of kindergarden age:
"Billy, wait your turn on the teeter-totter"
"Yes, Mrs Smith".

Kind of heads south starting in Jr High:
"Billy, either give me the gun or put it back in your pants !"
"Hey, &%$#*&$ you ^%#&^$@#, I'll blow your &%#*%# head off !"


I've seen local law enforcement get involved with keeping a school safe.

The things you've been forced to "witness" and the things you've "seen"; it's ..... just horrific ! :eek:

Well, bobman had a pretty good idea back there: I'm guilty as anyone in feeding the troll and am now just entertaining myself. One last thought:

NICE JOB, CASEY ! :smile:


And if anyone does hear/see of a Casey donation site, please share. Thanks.

[Keiko]

In particular people need to show restraint from overreaction and retaliation with unreasonable force.

Gee x, maybe that punk should have used some self restraint instead of provoking and punching the other kid before getting slammed (rightfully) to the ground. Did it even occur to you that Casey showed restraint after he put that other kid down by not kicking the **** out of him? What about backpack kid getting up in his face after? In case you missed it, Casey walked away. Ahh WTF.... It's clear to everyone you're being controversial as a means to instigate another one of your twisted little games. Your BS has gone on far too long and I sincerely hope this time that the mods flush your sorry ass. You're pathetic!

[xcapri79]

Too many members on this forum seem obsessed with supporting retaliatory violence with respect to bullying to the point of personally bullying me for my opinion to the contrary.

This is what the Mayo Clinic has to say about bullying. They are the professionals.


What to do if your child is being bullied

If you suspect that your child is being bullied, take the situation seriously:

Encourage your child to share his or her concerns. Remain calm, listen in a loving manner and support your child's feelings. Express understanding and concern. You might say, "I understand you're having a rough time. Let's work together to deal with this." Remind your child that he or she isn't to blame for being bullied.

Learn as much as you can about the situation. Ask your child to describe how and when the bullying occurs and who is involved. Ask if other children or adults have witnessed any bullying incidents. Find out what your child may have done to try to stop the bullying.

Teach your child how to respond to the bullying. Don't promote retaliation or fighting back against a bully. Instead, encourage your child to maintain his or her composure. He or she might say, "I want you to stop now," and then simply walk away. Suggest sticking with a friend or group of friends while on the bus, in the cafeteria or wherever the bullying seems to happen. Remind your child that he or she can ask teachers or other school officials for help.

Contact school officials. Talk to your child's teacher, the school counselor and the school principal. If your child has been physically attacked or otherwise threatened with harm, talk to school officials immediately to determine if the police should be involved. Don't contact the bully's parents yourself. You might also want to encourage school officials to address bullying — including cyberbullying — as part of the curriculum.
Follow up. Keep in contact with school officials. If the bullying seems to continue, be persistent.

Boost your child's self-confidence. Help your child get involved in activities that can raise self-esteem, such as sports, music or art. Encourage your child to build friendships and develop his or her social skills.

Know when to seek professional help. Consider professional or school counseling for your child if his or her fear or anxiety becomes overwhelming.

If your child is being bullied, remember that early intervention can help prevent lasting problems — such as depression, anxiety and low self-esteem. Don't leave your child to handle it alone. Your child needs your support now more than ever.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bullying/MH00126/NSECTIONGROUP=2

[Keiko]

This is what the Mayo Clinic has to say about bullying. They are the professionals.

Here's what they have to say about sociopaths.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829

:rolleyes:

[hearingimpared]

Too many members on this forum seem obsessed with supporting retaliatory violence with respect to bullying to the point of personally bullying me for my opinion to the contrary.

This is what the Mayo Clinic has to say about bullying. They are the professionals.



http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bullying/MH00126/NSECTIONGROUP=2

X in a perfect world it could be so but this world and life are far from perfect.

[hearingimpared]

Gee x, maybe that punk should have used some self restraint instead of provoking and punching the other kid before getting slammed (rightfully) to the ground. Did it even occur to you that Casey showed restraint after he put that other kid down by not kicking the **** out of him? What about backpack kid getting up in his face after? In case you missed it, Casey walked away. Ahh WTF.... It's clear to everyone you're being controversial as a means to instigate another one of your twisted little games. Your BS has gone on far too long and I sincerely hope this time that the mods flush your sorry ass. You're pathetic!


Here's what they have to say about sociopaths.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829

:rolleyes:

:eek::eek::eek: Game, set, match!:wink:

[mdaudioguy]

Too many members on this forum seem obsessed with supporting retaliatory violence with respect to bullying to the point of personally bullying me for my opinion to the contrary.

This is what the Mayo Clinic has to say about bullying. They are the professionals.

What are you looking for? You're clearly in the minority here. Are you looking for someone to agree with you? To validate your feelings? Why would you be looking here for that? I'm sure if you do some searching, there are probably some forums filled with like-minded people. Why not seek one out and hang out and post to your little heart's content there? Wouldn't that be more enjoyable? However, if you're on a mission to change people's minds here, well, I think that ship has sailed for you, my friend.

[cstmar01]

http://www.mamashealth.com/abuse/attackhelp.asp

they are professionals.

[hearingimpared]

http://www.mamashealth.com/abuse/attackhelp.asp

they are professionals.

Chris that is too much common sense for one of our esteemed members. All good stuff though.

[steveinaz]

Xcapri--

zero tolerance=zero intelligence...think about it. Defending yourself should not be punished.

[obieone]

Oh look.....an Ignore button!:rolleyes:

[hearingimpared]

Oh look.....an Ignore button!:rolleyes:

I use said button for X but his skewed viepoints are so off the wall that I find myself peeking.

[xcapri79]

What are you looking for? You're clearly in the minority here. Are you looking for someone to agree with you? To validate your feelings? Why would you be looking here for that? I'm sure if you do some searching, there are probably some forums filled with like-minded people. Why not seek one out and hang out and post to your little heart's content there? Wouldn't that be more enjoyable? However, if you're on a mission to change people's minds here, well, I think that ship has sailed for you, my friend.

In this discussion, I am offering my view point in a logical manner which aims to engage in thoughtful and courteous discussion as well as to inform and educate others. That is what this forum is about. It doesn't make sense to agree to an incorrect notion to achieve friendship or "fit in" with the wrong crowd. Some may, but I certainly would not. I do note that those are in the minority in this forum and most of the thousands of other people here are thoughtful and courteous.

Correct ideas are not necessarily the majority view as has been shown over and over again. In this case, I generally support the actions of the school board and am in disagreement with the response of the subject parties of this incident. My argument is supported by the Mayo Clinic and other professions should you care to further research the topic. Note we are dealing with children bullying here and not rape or an adult attack.

What is unnecessary and sad is that certain members continue to respond to a differing view with bullying personal attacks instead of responding with thoughtful and courteous argument.

[mdaudioguy]

^^ Ok, so you have an opinion. Good. Are you expecting someone to buy into it, and perhaps thank you for helping them to "see the light"? Perhaps you could just appreciate that there are differing opinions and move on. Why are you compelled to keep repeating yourself? I think some on here have attempted to "educate" you, too, but that's apparently not working either. Quit taking the bait and move on... this story is old news now, anyhow.

I have nothing more to add... I'm outta here.

[hearingimpared]

In this discussion, I am offering my view point in a logical manner which aims to engage in thoughtful and courteous discussion as well as to inform and educate others. That is what this forum is about. It doesn't make sense to agree to an incorrect notion to achieve friendship or "fit in". Some may, but I certainly would not.

Correct ideas are not necessarily the majority view as has been shown over and over again. In this case, I generally support the actions of the school board and am in disagreement with the response of the subject parties of this incident. My argument is supported by the Mayo Clinic and other professions should you care to further research the topic.

What is unnecessary and sad is that certain members continue to respond to a differing view with bullying personal attacks instead of responding with thoughtful and courteous argument.

Mark there is no logic when a bully attacks and zero tolerance is proving to be a major mistake as noted by school admistrators who feel their decision making abilities are taken from them by a cut and dry law with no middle ground. Unfortunately your "curteous" stance just stirs up ill will in that it your insertions are far from reality. You always seem to take the extreme other side of the story which is not practical in many instances. I have to give you credit though you don't crack under pressure.

My young son was a victim of zero tolerance law and the school board did everything possible to get his problems with the zero tolerance law overturned. Yet even though the rediculous charges had been dropped he still has two felony arrests on his record which we now have to pay money which we don't have to have the charges expunged that this innocent boy doesn't have these black marks on his record follow him around for the next 7 years. I'm in the same battle myself. So please use some common sense and streets smarts before make such cut and dry assertions.

[Keiko]

Saw that one coming. Playing his 'victim' card, again. Part of his MO. That dog don't hunt, x. A blind man can see through your bs.

[bobman1235]

Funny, X, how when OTHER people have an opinion, they're meatheaded bullies who won't listen to reason. We're just stubborn morons!

But YOU have an opinion, and it's correct no matter what, and everyone else is just wrong. No wiggle room.

Funny how that works.

[Kenneth Swauger]

I believe this thread has been beaten into the ground sufficiently, no pun intended. Everyone's expressed their opinions, some more heated than others. So, let's close it down.
Thanks for keeping it relatively peaceful.
Cheers, Ken