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I'm replacing a Sony STRGD 920 AVR, this Thursday - Question for the seasoned "rabbit Hole" folks. Rigged to Polk Monitor 60's up front, Monitor 40's back, PSW 125 and CSA4 center, are they ready to handle this much continuous power? Am I going to need to upgrade my speakers sooner..... or later?
B Run
04-05-2011, 01:32 AM
Your speakers will be fine as long as you don't play it at ear bleeding levels. Once you hear it you're going to want to upgrade the rest of your system too haha. Good luck and congrats, that's a serious AVR.
Sherardp
04-05-2011, 04:47 AM
Welcome to the "ICE Club" , and congrats what is a fine AVR. I have the 1st model (SC-07) and love it. Enjoy. Sub will probably be on your short list.
mantis
04-05-2011, 06:40 AM
Welcome to the "ICE Club" , and congrats what is a fine AVR. I have the 1st model (SC-07) and love it. Enjoy. Sub will probably be on your short list.
Ditto! Shortly followed by wanting better speakers , you now have the ability to upgrade pretty high up the food chain.
tonyb
04-05-2011, 08:17 AM
Congrats, that new SC is going to destroy your old Sony, not by alittle bit either. Take your time,set it up right. Use the auto calibration, make sure the mic is set at ear level in your listening position. You can always tweek everything after. Happy listening.
Glowrdr
04-05-2011, 07:31 PM
Congrats on the SC. I went from an HK to the SC-37 and it's a world of difference. Not only is it a bit more powerful (gained only about 40 wpc real-life), but the processing is leaps and bounds above anything I've heard (which isn't much honestly)
This is where you do a facepalm, say "Doh!" and wish you would have gotten the 70's though. But I do agree, the sub is going to be your weak point at this time.
txcoastal1
04-05-2011, 08:22 PM
Awesome it will upgrade your DVD and play your speakers to the best that a AVR $1000-$1500 can do and out do others with features ....and yes you are ready upgraditis...enjoy
mtdewcowboy
04-05-2011, 08:25 PM
Congrates
That is my next buy a sc something
Thanks ya'll. I will be taking the install slowly as I will need to run an ethernet through the attic to the wall from my router. I will also need to modify my the back of my entertainment cabinet for easy hookups and better ventilation. Although, I've read and been told ICE runs very cool.
Congrats on the SC. I went from an HK to the SC-37 and it's a world of difference. Not only is it a bit more powerful (gained only about 40 wpc real-life), but the processing is leaps and bounds above anything I've heard (which isn't much honestly)
This is where you do a facepalm, say "Doh!" and wish you would have gotten the 70's though. But I do agree, the sub is going to be your weak point at this time.
I did just that - and the sad part is, when I bought the 60's, the Monitor 70's were just a few dollars more during the same New Egg sale.
Congrats, that new SC is going to destroy your old Sony, not by alittle bit either. Take your time,set it up right. Use the auto calibration, make sure the mic is set at ear level in your listening position. You can always tweek everything after. Happy listening.
Appreciate the input. Slow is good...
Awesome it will upgrade your DVD and play your speakers to the best that a AVR $1000-$1500 can do and out do others with features ....and yes you are ready upgraditis...enjoy
Thanks, Panasonic BD 85 looks good already - can't wait to see the improvement
Tech question: I want to make sure my SqueezeBox uses the Burr Brown DAC in the SC 35, not the Squeeze Box DAC. The SqueezeBox has both 2 channel RCA's and/or SPDIF. If I hook the SqueezeBox output as SPDIF, will the SC35 take over the digital analog conversion (DAC)? Or should I send the signal through the 2 channel in some sort of direct mode?
SRTer
04-06-2011, 11:39 AM
Tech question: I want to make sure my SqueezeBox uses the Burr Brown DAC in the SC 35, not the Squeeze Box DAC. The SqueezeBox has both 2 channel RCA's and/or SPDIF. If I hook the SqueezeBox output as SPDIF, will the SC35 take over the digital analog conversion (DAC)? Or should I send the signal through the 2 channel in some sort of direct mode?
Yes, the SC-35 will decode the digital information with its own DAC.
Also, welcome to the "ICE club" as stated before.
I love the SC-35 and have put it to the teat with my setup.
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117648
I'm more than sure you will work those Monitors and PSW sub to death. The Monitors nice but are not ready for what you?re going to put to them.
Specifically your Monitor 40?s are rated 20-125 watts, and the SC-35 will put at least 135 watts to each of your speakers in 5.1 channel. Home Theater .Com tested a SC-37 with the same power section and the bench test said.
HT Labs Measures
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 135.7 watts
1% distortion at 171.9 watts
http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-elite-sc-37-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures
Are you ready for new speakers? If not, I would keep the volume below -10dB, which is where my RTi A speakers start to really wake up.
BWilberg266
04-06-2011, 11:57 AM
Very nice purchase.
I guess the thing that throws me off is the speakers that people often connect to the high end equipment. Maybe it's just a "gotta start somewhere" thing.
I've got about $2000 worth of speakers/sub running on my Denon 1910 which will be heading out the door in favor of an SC or a 1120 w/ separate amps setup in a couple of months. But when I see $1000 of speakers with a $2000 receiver I'm just thrown.
Now I am definitely always in favor of more power. But as SRTer said, it's going to be more than those speakers can handle.
Can anyone chime in on this? Maybe I'm missing something here.
(All of the above is written in sincerity not sarcasm, I really do want to know if I am missing something here. Always trying to learn :smile: )
Very nice purchase.
I guess the thing that throws me off is the speakers that people often connect to the high end equipment. Maybe it's just a "gotta start somewhere" thing.
I've got about $2000 worth of speakers/sub running on my Denon 1910 which will be heading out the door in favor of an SC or a 1120 w/ separate amps setup in a couple of months. But when I see $1000 of speakers with a $2000 receiver I'm just thrown.
Now I am definitely always in favor of more power. But as SRTer said, it's going to be more than those speakers can handle.
Can anyone chime in on this? Maybe I'm missing something here.
(All of the above is written in sincerity not sarcasm, I really do want to know if I am missing something here. Always trying to learn :smile: )
Absolutely get what your saying BWilberg266 - To me it's kinda like building a hot rod starting with the engine first. That, and I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new AVR over the next 5 to 7 years. Speakers will be next on the list and coinage was there for me to start right at the heart of my dream system.
Yes, the SC-35 will decode the digital information with its own DAC.
Also, welcome to the "ICE club" as stated before.
I love the SC-35 and have put it to the teat with my setup.
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=117648
I'm more than sure you will work those Monitors and PSW sub to death. The Monitors nice but are not ready for what you?re going to put to them.
Specifically your Monitor 40?s are rated 20-125 watts, and the SC-35 will put at least 135 watts to each of your speakers in 5.1 channel. Home Theater .Com tested a SC-37 with the same power section and the bench test said.
HT Labs Measures
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 135.7 watts
1% distortion at 171.9 watts
http://www.hometheater.com/content/pioneer-elite-sc-37-av-receiver-ht-labs-measures
Are you ready for new speakers? If not, I would keep the volume below -10dB, which is where my RTi A speakers start to really wake up.
I just popped in and looked at your setup. Sweet! I'm leaning directly towards the RTI series as well.
SRTer
04-06-2011, 03:10 PM
I just popped in and looked at your setup. Sweet! I'm leaning directly towards the RTI series as well.
Thanks, my setup has me in a postion where I don't feel I have to do anymore. However, I do want a dedicated Rotel amp for the RTi A9's.
SRTer, How would you set the Rotel up to dedicate it to the RTI A9's?
Lasareath
04-06-2011, 05:09 PM
One mo day!
SRTer
04-06-2011, 05:52 PM
SRTer, How would you set the Rotel up to dedicate it to the RTI A9's?
Use the RCA audio out on the SC-35 for the input on the Rotel amp.
Do a 2 channel Rotel amp.
Some say to do a 3 channel but I don't need that. The Pioneer Elite SC-35 will have more than enough power to taker car of the remaining speakers.
Once the gain is set on the Rotel amp, I would run the automatic calibration on the SC-35. The SC-35 will set the trim or gain (which ever you use) for a speakers to sound right in it's program.
Therefore, the RTi A9's will not be to loud. It should be pefect then.
mantis
04-06-2011, 09:54 PM
Thanks, my setup has me in a postion where I don't feel I have to do anymore. However, I do want a dedicated Rotel amp for the RTi A9's.
Why? The SC-35 will drive them fully. I see other things maybe in your system to further your enjoyment.
SRTer
04-06-2011, 11:38 PM
Why? The SC-35 will drive them fully. I see other things maybe in your system to further your enjoyment.
Well, I just want it. There is nothing else i feel that I'm lacking. I may get another sub down the road, but it's really not needed for my current room plus I have plenty woofers making bass. I have ten 7 inch woofers.
The RTi A9's are rated for 500 watts. I would love to see 250-300 watt on them just to make me happy. There will be much more than the 135 watts the SC-35 makes in 5 channel mode.
That would leave plenty power left over from the SC-35 to the center and rears RTi A7's.
What do you see that will further my enjoyment. Maybe a projector? What?:confused:
Well, I just want it. There is nothing else i feel that I'm lacking. I may get another sub down the road, but it's really not needed for my current room plus I have plenty woofers making bass. I have ten 7 inch woofers.
The RTi A9's are rated for 500 watts. I would love to see 250-300 watt on them just to make me happy. There will be much more than the 135 watts the SC-35 makes in 5 channel mode.
That would leave plenty power left over from the SC-35 to the center and rears RTi A7's.
What do you see that will further my enjoyment. Maybe a projector? What?:confused:
I call it MAX HEADROOM- that's a fact.... But I'm Okay with it.
BWilberg266
04-07-2011, 10:46 AM
Absolutely get what your saying BWilberg266 - To me it's kinda like building a hot rod starting with the engine first. That, and I'm trying to avoid having to buy a new AVR over the next 5 to 7 years. Speakers will be next on the list and coinage was there for me to start right at the heart of my dream system.
I see where you're coming from. I'm wishing I would have upgraded to something better than the 1910 after my old Yamaha AVR. Pre-outs should have been a must, but now I guess I will get a solid base with HDMI 1.4 which I would not have been able to do before.
Dang technology and it's ever changing ways...
SRTer
04-07-2011, 11:26 AM
I see where you're coming from.
Dang technology and it's ever changing ways...
Yeah HDMI 1.4, 3D and iPhone 4 apps I felt was a must for use with my new AVR. I had not even had my last reciever (Pioneer Elite VSX-23) a year before I figured I had messed up.
Plus, I wanted more speakers with demanding power levels.
Upgrade-I-tis is a mother*%#@er. :mad:
Technology 'sucks' and it's also 'great'. It's kind of like that obscure object of desire--two women; the seductress and the dominatrix. Unfortunately they are the two who are really ONE when you're in the market for a new upgrade.
As for me. I upgrade on my 'own' timetable so I'm not always pursuing the elusive Bunuelian 'object'.
All this aside. It's Thursday, Thursday....it's Thursday, Thursday; I don't mean Friday, Friday....lol
Hey, did your Pioneer arrive yet?
cnh
F1nut
04-07-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm more than sure you will work those Monitors and PSW sub to death. The Monitors nice but are not ready for what you?re going to put to them.
Specifically your Monitor 40?s are rated 20-125 watts, and the SC-35 will put at least 135 watts to each of your speakers in 5.1 channel. Home Theater .Com tested a SC-37 with the same power section and the bench test said.
Now I am definitely always in favor of more power. But as SRTer said, it's going to be more than those speakers can handle.
That is simply not true. You are much more likely to damage your speakers with too little power verses too much. The Monitor 40's will be perfectly fine with the SC-35.
Not arrived yet - it shows "out for delivery"
SC - 35's just arrived double boxed and in great shape. Feeling a little like Christmas morning as a child some 45 years ago.
Grimster74
04-07-2011, 03:48 PM
Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!
BWilberg266
04-07-2011, 06:24 PM
That is simply not true. You are much more likely to damage your speakers with too little power verses too much. The Monitor 40's will be perfectly fine with the SC-35.
I do not mean to imply that you cannot power a lesser speaker with an amp well above it's power rating, but rather that you do run the risk of blowing the speaker should you really start cranking it up.
Yes you can damage speaker with too little power, but typically that only happens when you have a receiver or power source that provides an amount of power that is not significantly lower than the maximum wattage handling of the speaker. If the power supplied is say 3 to 4 times less than the maximum power handling of a speaker it may sound like crap when you crank it up to the max, but there is a very low likelihood that the speaker will have much, if any, damage. There will be alot of distortion, but a low likelihood of damage to the speaker.
When you approach a power level that is much closer to the maximum power handling of a speaker and introduce high levels of distortion that is where you have a problem.
Think of it this way. Kicking a soccer ball randomly around a gym is not going to be a problem because that larger space has the ability to accommodate large erratic dispersions of energy. Kicking a soccer ball erratically around your living room on the other hand will present some problems, more than likely there will be damage. In both scenarios there is the same amount of random bouncing coming from the ball, but in one instance the room is suited to contain a larger release of energy and in the other it simply cannot contain that same amount of uncontrolled action.
So yes, there is a possibility of damaging a speaker with a low powered amp, but is not in the way that everyone likes to throw that phrase around.
Crank a speaker up on an underwhelmingly powered AVR...not likely that it's going to be a problem. (besides sounding crappy due to high levels of distortion) Crank a speaker up on an overwhelming supply of power with a speaker that can't handle the amount of power you are giving it, and you'll get a blown speaker.
leroyjr1
04-07-2011, 06:51 PM
Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!
Going 3D?
F1nut
04-07-2011, 07:03 PM
Crank a speaker up on an underwhelmingly powered AVR...not likely that it's going to be a problem. (besides sounding crappy due to high levels of distortion) Crank a speaker up on an overwhelming supply of power with a speaker that can't handle the amount of power you are giving it, and you'll get a blown speaker.
Nope. It's the high level of distortion (clipping) from an under powered amp/AVR that will cause damage to the speaker.
Grimster74
04-07-2011, 07:46 PM
Going 3D?Nah, receiver upstairs went tits up so when I started looking around I found a deal I couldn't pass up on the 37. BUT....... if the opportunity shows it's face it just means I'm one step closer.:biggrin:
SRTer
04-07-2011, 08:26 PM
Im not going to argue,
In Everything, there is a perfect balance. Do over do or under do anything as much as possible
BWilberg266
04-07-2011, 11:38 PM
Nope. It's the high level of distortion (clipping) from an under powered amp/AVR that will cause damage to the speaker.
Apparently I need to clarify. To quote Whoaru99 from a forum at AudioKarma:
"Also, clipping isn't an immediate death sentence. It still has to generate enough extra power to thermal out the driver. For instance, you could drive a 10W amp to clipping all day long and it's probably not going to damage a driver rated for 50W continuous power because worst case the 10W amp will only deliver 20W at maximum clipping (3dB difference between peak to average ratio of sine wave vs square wave worst case)"
And we all know that with all channels driven the AVR wattage ratings are quite bloated. So when you're dealing with a Sony AVR listed for 110 watts, it's probably more like 50 watts.
Too much power = too much heat dispersion. Energy (vibration) = heat. And if it is above the rated levels for too long you can destroy your speakers. And regarding the low power doing damage, if you read my whole post you'll see that I state that if the low power supplied is 3x lower (give or take) the peaks caused by that distortion (clipping) will not bring that speaker into a dangerous level.
Simply said I think that everyone throws around the low power statement without really explaining what it comes from and in what situations someone needs to be concerned.
F1nut
04-08-2011, 12:33 AM
So, how about you drive that lower powered amp into clipping and see how long your tweeters last.
Well fellows.... I spent the good part of this afternoon setting my new SC 35 up and needless to say I am impressed. Had the volume to -5 on one of my favorite Dire Strait songs... Sultans of Swing - the separation is crazy good, clarity exceptional. I Bi Amped the front Monitor 60's. Both front and back 40's held there own, PSW 125 needed a little fine tuning, it started humming across the hard wood floor at one point during Pink Floyd's "Money". Went through a few of my favorites list in particular the voice of Allison Krause has never sounded so good. I thought she was here in the room. My wife and daughter were totally impressed. It's going to take at least a month of Sundays to delve deep into all the different codecs/DSP etc. ICE is very nice......
Sherardp
04-08-2011, 01:02 AM
Welcome and again enjoy. If you decide to try external amplification, try IceAmps. They too perform very well. I have a D-Sonic 1000S on my fronts and it is fantastic.
Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!
Thanks Grimster, Nice... I almost pulled the trigger on the 37... - I bought the 35 on Ebay at about 40 percent off MSRP, from a reputable dealer with great sell reviews - and then added a Square Trade, 3 year warranty at time of purchase.
Welcome and again enjoy. If you decide to try external amplification, try IceAmps. They too perform very well. I have a D-Sonic 1000S on my fronts and it is fantastic.
Very nice setup you got there Sherardp, I'm no where near the level your on with your Home Theater system. Funny, I had already checked your forum pics out in the past. Sweet....
Not to steal your thunder but just sharing, expecting my SC-37 sometime next week and will be moving my SC-07 to the upstairs rig. If you don't mind me asking, where did you purchase your SC-35 from? Oh yeah, welcome to the ICE club!
Man.... Grimster.... You got some nice system going on there at your place....
leroyjr1
04-08-2011, 01:21 AM
Ice ice baby!!!!!! Very nice receiver you got there.
BWilberg266
04-08-2011, 10:38 AM
So, how about you drive that lower powered amp into clipping and see how long your tweeters last.
Wasn't looking for an argument or putting out a challenge F1nut.
My original purpose in saying anything was to caution the OP against over driving and damaging his speakers. Everyone always says there is nothing to worry about in using more power and I'm just trying to be helpful.
This forum is not about low power/high power it's about his new SC-35, let's just drop this and be happy for the OP's new receiver which is undoubtedly a great AVR!
Speaking of which what are your first impressions WGDB?
SRTer
04-08-2011, 11:48 AM
Well fellows.... I spent the good part of this afternoon setting my new SC 35 up and needless to say I am impressed. Had the volume to -5 on one of my favorite Dire Strait songs... Sultans of Swing - the separation is crazy good, clarity exceptional. I Bi Amped the front Monitor 60's. Both front and back 40's held there own, PSW 125 needed a little fine tuning, it started humming across the hard wood floor at one point during Pink Floyd's "Money". Went through a few of my favorites list in particular the voice of Allison Krause has never sounded so good. I thought she was here in the room. My wife and daughter were totally impressed. It's going to take at least a month of Sundays to delve deep into all the different codecs/DSP etc. ICE is very nice......
Congrats, I know yoou would love the SC-35 just like I do.:biggrin:
Did you do the auto cal with the mic yet?
What are you speakers set to? (Large, Small)
What's your EQ set? Freq levels
(Here is why, the SC-35 MCACC can sometime send too much bass to the center channel if it's considered a LARGE speaker.)
If you use iPods or an iPhone like I do, you need to turn off the Sound Retriever. Do this ONLY if you use Apple Lossless Tracks.
Congrats, I know yoou would love the SC-35 just like I do.:biggrin:
Did you do the auto cal with the mic yet?
What are you speakers set to? (Large, Small)
What's your EQ set? Freq levels
(Here is why, the SC-35 MCACC can sometime send too much bass to the center channel if it's considered a LARGE speaker.)
If you use iPods or an iPhone like I do, you need to turn off the Sound Retriever. Do this ONLY if you use Apple Lossless Tracks.
Full Auto Cal with the mic (Small) - I stream Apple Lossless files through both Squeezebox Touch and Apple TV.... I need to read the manual to find the the Sound Retriever. Haven't tried the Iphone connection yet.
SRTer
04-09-2011, 02:11 AM
Full Auto Cal with the mic (Small) - I stream Apple Lossless files through both Squeezebox Touch and Apple TV.... I need to read the manual to find the the Sound Retriever. Haven't tried the Iphone connection yet.
Monitor 60's should be set to LARGE because they can play lower frequencies. Go in and manually change that in the program.
Sound Retriver can be turned off from the Audio Parameter button on your remote.
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