What the hell are we doing? [Archive]

TroyD

03-08-2004, 06:13 PM

You know, the past couple days I've been thinking about the forum, the people on it and what it all means to me. I started coming around the forum about, oh, five years ago. I didn't know squat, didn't have squat and so forth. More than a couple of forum members, namely RuSsMan, hoosier, George, the Bros McGowan and others were kind enough to explain things to my dumb ass, offer me KILLER deals on gear that they could have sold for far larger profits and so forth just to help a guy out getting into this wacky hobby. For my part, I've tried to do the same.

As the years have gone by, I've forged some, what I consider, lifelong friendships with a lot of the guys on here. I've been welcomed in thier homes and they mine. I've shed real tears over the loss of a forum member, felt as if I'd lost one of my family. When I've been deployed overseas, members have sent me care packages with audio magazines, gear to use there and I'm proud to say that some of that gear and a Polk banner is flying in Bagdhad as I type this. I honestly view this forum as more than just a computer forum, I've said it before, it's much more personal than that.

When I see some of the things that I've seen occur here lately, I'm ashamed. We have one guy who left another forum member (who I consider a friend) holding the bag on a transaction and then accused him of trying to rip him off. This guy pops his head up again and what happens? Some people are willing to overlook that as long as it is to thier advantage. In another case, we've got another forum member who has passed along some tweeters to another forum member, at no charge. Lo and behold, what happens next is those tweeters are up for sale (or similar ones or whatever). Maybe I'm oversensitive, but that's just plain wrong. I'm sorry, but if you can afford a pair of 1.2tl's, you can afford to pass along things you got for free at no charge as well. But, shit, I guess it's all about 'what's in it for me'. I'm sorry, but if I did that, I'd be ashamed.

Look guys, all I'm trying to say is that the forum is no better than the people on it and it is what WE make of it. This is one of the BEST forms (and one of the few forms) of advertisement that Polk has. Let's look after each other. If all we do is see how much we can take out without putting anything back in, eventually, it will die. I hate to be fatalistic but some of the things that have gone down lately have really soured me on the forum and what bothers me more is that it doesn't seem to bother too many other folks as well.

I'm all for hosting the next Polkfest and will do so. However, I want to host an event that I can be proud of and host people that I'm PROUD to associate with. I want a bunch of guys who want to come out, demo gear, talk audio and so forth as a community effort. I do NOT want to host an event with a bunch of yo-yos who are there to see what they can get for free, what gear that they can practically steal from other forum members purely for thier own profit and so forth. As I organize this event keep that in mind as I want to host an event that we can be proud of. If that ticks some people off or what have you, tough crap. My house, my rules.

Well, that's it for now. I'm off my soapbox.

BDT

hoosier21

03-08-2004, 06:22 PM

Very good words Troy, you even used one I need to look up, lol. But what you say is 100% true, the bond or brotherhood here is hanging by a thread.

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 06:24 PM

This is all I have to say.

My Dad is not a member here. He does not participate. If you wish to include him or talk about him. Man up to it, I'll give you his email.

I'm sick of it

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 06:28 PM

I'm all for community, brotherhood. But leave my Dad out of it. He has ZERO to do with Club Polk. Again, his email. If Dad does not mind. I will give to you so you can bash and bash. Just leave me alone about it. Please.

TroyD

03-08-2004, 06:32 PM

I still cant believe anyone would assume we are auctioning BLOWN tweeters.

So you mean 'we' meaning him.

Show him the post, I stand by EVERY word of it.

Would that be community as in, say, when you wanted someone with a perectly GOOD speaker to try and scam polk out of a free driver and send it to you?

Look, Trey, you may be a good kid and all and from the accounts of others, you are. Things that you and your dad are up to don't fly in my book.

BDT

RuSsMaN

03-08-2004, 06:34 PM

If you want to be left alone about a certain topic, I have some advice for you.

DON'T BRING IT UP IN THE FIRST PLACE.

Troy, who knows, I'm hoping it's just growing pains as the forum gets larger everyday. Maybe it will smooth out, and settle down after a while longer. If it doesn't, well - we always tossed the idea around of starting up another forum.

Cheers,
Russ

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 06:35 PM

Troy,
The Auction listing...my part in it

1) I made the auction, Dad edited it to his will
2) I told him the highest price they can go for, etc etc

That is it. The rest, he blew 3 tweeters. He ordered 2 Polk replacements. he took 2 freebies. He owns the 1.2. He sells the product. The only part I have in transactions and dealings ARE:

What I sell for myself and buy for myself...

As I said, *PLEASE* just stick to the source of the problem and not the side man

faster100

03-08-2004, 06:37 PM

This is one subject id like to entertain, alot of true words from Troy D,

However almost 5 months ago, things and me were getting out of hand on the board.. misunderstandings... fights, and it was to much for me to deal with at the time.. I left here and only read posts about a month ago until i started posting here again,

I came back to try and have a new start, brag about some cool new things i was doing in my rigs and new first 2 channel rig.. and sell a few things i didn't want to bother putting on e-bay and thought some members would like for next to nothing..

Honestly trying to put some back and start over fresh, weather my sarcasm is hard to read into or not..

I start getting crap from some key long time members rigth from the get go, so tell me what should i have done or felt??

I'm not playing victim, im not bitching, I like it here and plan to stay, and have made some people happy with the items ive sold, i even went over to spastics house and helped him and gave him a slab for his sub i sold him...

But it go's on all the time and this time i have choosen to try and ignore it as best i can,

so that's my take on it fwiw

jdhdiggs

03-08-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3

As I said, *PLEASE* just stick to the source of the problem and not the side man

Who tried to rip off the polk warrenty department by sending a blown tweeter to another forum member so that they could get it replaced under warranty for free?

As they say, the nut doesn't fall far from the tree...

Zero

03-08-2004, 06:56 PM

The entertainment that the enlisted members of this forum tote around is unreal. Just when you thought the heat was on, you come to find it was just sparks. Keep it comin', Im hungry.

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 07:02 PM

Jdh,
You're right. I did try that. I didn't follow through with it either. Yet, the people considering helping me are not getting the snake eye now are they?

I paid for the tweeter, it turned out to not be the tweeter. So I sent it back and Ken greatfully sent me a free crossover. I sent the old crossover that needed repairs to Russ for him to use on whatever he wanted.

Not like no one on this forum has never done something wrong. Sheez, I didnt even follow through with it yet you're still here. Bringing it back up. What do you want me to do? Give everyone on the forum a pair of speakers?

Russ,
I didnt bring the 1.2, tweeter topic back up. The seller of the 1.2TL brought it back up after someone telling him I was running my mouth about him. Which of course, wasnt in the least bit true. I never said any bad words about the seller. I washed the car after replying, I came back, and you and several others had brought up the tweeters. Again though, no one lets stuff die.

Can't we just get along? Let the past be the past, turn over a new leaf? Sheez!

PS: BTW, I am sorry for the past actions I took in replacing the tweeter. I didn't follow through, the actions or thought displayed there have not shown again or will be shown again. Again, Sorry I am.

HBombToo

03-08-2004, 07:13 PM

Originally posted by RuSsMaN
If it doesn't, well - we always tossed the idea around of starting up another forum.

Cheers,
Russ

HBomb and the Twin will be there if it comes to that.

BDT, your words express why I'm here and I would be hard pressed to think thieves could take over the club. Its funny though how some folk can't appreciate the fun in something if there isn't a dollar associated with it.

HBomb

jdhdiggs

03-08-2004, 07:15 PM

Your right, I didn't single out anyone else from that "event" since:

A). The people I remember posting were telling you it was illegal
B). I don't remember anyone accepting the offer.

Yes, there are people who do shady things all the time. From my observations around here, those who commit these acts tend to get beaten into banishment (Har) or redirected into doing the right thing (your case, hopefully you can do the same thing with your dad)

The reason people are jumping on you for the tweeter thing is that you are the forums best connection to your dad and they want him to do what they consider the "right" thing.

Why did I bring the old warranty tweeter thing up? Because you're trying to play the angel in the deal when the whole thing seemed a bit shady and you were doing the play by play. Also, it seems that the "I" became "we", which became "my dad".

Good for you for sending the X-over to Russ...

BTW, I'm done beating the dead horse for now...

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 07:19 PM

J,
I agree with you 100%. I am not playing the angel here, I am trying to get everyone off my back on something I have nothing to do with.
I know what I have done in the past, and I know what I have done now. I don't try to rip people off.

Like I said above, I think it is time ot turn over a new leaf.

The I, We, My Dad..

Ask yourself this...

My Dad purchases a Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL off EBay.

My Dad blows 3 Polk Audio SL3000TL Tweeters.

My Dad accepts 2 free Polk Audio SL3000TL Tweeters.

My Dad buys a pair of Polk Audio replacement Tweeters for HIS Polk Audio SDA SRS 1.2TL.

My Dad then takes HIS tweeters out of HIS speakers to sell on ebay.

I showed him the auction of the 1.2TL on Ebay.

I was in the house when he blew the tweeters. I was not behind the controls.

I made a post about needing SL3000 tweets. Warlocks gave us 2 free ones, thank you Warlocks for the generosity. I wish my Dad was a tad more grateful.

I contacted Ken asking for a price, I gave me Dad the number, he called, ordered.

I told my Dad that at the rate he was going he would be better off to sell the tweeters in his speaker and buy replacements. So the people wanting SL3000's could have them and he wouldnt blow them all.

I told him the price in which they can go for.

He asked me to start an auction, the details to include, etc etc.

Here we are now. There is a We.

I am not perfect, as you mentioned above. I am sorry for messing up.

madmax

03-08-2004, 07:38 PM

I thought the forum has been a fairly nice place to go after getting rid of of the last few loosers. Before that even it was MUCH worse. When I joined this forum there was yelling and screaming EVERY SINGLE DAY! It was madness! We haven't had a good knock down drag out fight for years... Used to be you could never kid around like some of us do these days.
madmax

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 07:39 PM

I remember those times Chuck...

Russ, Troy, Dan

Those were the good ol days! waaaaaaa

madmax

03-08-2004, 07:41 PM

Troy,
You know what they say.

IF YOU CAN'T TAKE THE HEAT,

TURN DOWN THE TUBE AMPS!!! :D

madmax

RuSsMaN

03-08-2004, 07:44 PM

Sid, you think you know - but you have no idea.

Chuck is speaking of times when you were still playing with legos, and sitting on the floor indian-style, eating bologna sandwhiches, and watching Mr. Rogers.

Long before you EVER though about blowing any good gear up.

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-08-2004, 07:46 PM

Russ.....

WAAAAAA

Ok, Maybe I am remembering the OTHER good times...

The only thing I have blown are 50 dollar boomboxes and POS M&K drivers

I've blown computer speakers to. Cheap ones BTW.

Jstas

03-08-2004, 07:47 PM

HEY! Don't knock baloney sammiches! Fry 'em up with a pile of onions and spicy brown mustard and that's good eatin' right there!

PolkThug

03-08-2004, 07:51 PM

*barfs*

dorokusai

03-08-2004, 07:51 PM

Troy - Excellent words, and a worthy thread to be posted.

I also consider the core Polk group that we have, you know who you are, to be the best group of people I have met in ages. I had the crew back me on plays and not even flinch, that's freaking brotherhood. I have had deals dropped in my lap, without any second thought, that's brotherhood. To have just joined this forum, last year, and solidify the relationships with the people that I have, is a very nice feeling.

I don't have much to add other than this forum could be great, but it won't be, and that is a little disheartening.

Jdh - Good words from you too sir.

Trey - You have brought every comment upon yourself. You started the threads, and the hundred or so others that followed thereafter. You used pronouns like, we, I, him, us...blah blah, don't blame bad choices in verbage on the forum. Do us a favor and just stop talking for 5 minutes. You asked us to give it a rest, why don't you.

RuSsMaN

03-08-2004, 07:54 PM

Originally posted by dorokusai
Do us a favor and just stop talking for 5 minutes. You asked us to give it a rest, why don't you.

The best 2 sentences I've heard all week.

amulford

03-08-2004, 08:13 PM

Troy,

Finer words could not be spoken. I commend your observations and agree 100%.

Trey,

Let me explain something to you:
It was your membership to this forum that prompted Warlocks to send you the tweeters.

It was your crying about the blown tweeters that ...(see above)

The tweeters were sent as a courtesy to you, as the member, not your dad.

You are just showing the child you are to attempt to lay it off on your father, who by the way is showing less than admirable scruples...

The tweeters should be sent back to the man who was nice enough to provide them. You cried loud enough to have him offer them, I am sure you can cry loud enough to get your father to do the right thing.

Anthony R. Mulford

TroyD

03-08-2004, 08:18 PM

Look, for the record, it isn't my intent to single out Sid and his dad or castigate anyone. Hell, I'm no saint myself. I'm responsible for more than a few flame wars and fueds.

My purpose is to lay out, what I think is a vision of what I and many others think the forum is and should be. Maybe give folks, outsiders and newcomers, an idea of what we want and expect.

As far as Trey and his dad goes, all I ask is, look at things from the perspective of some of us forum regulars. Anywhere else, sure, maybe taking some freebies and making a few bucks on them is ok. Here it isn't. Chalk it up to an innocent misunderstanding, fix it, and press. No need to make it any worse than it already is.

BDT

amulford

03-08-2004, 08:32 PM

You are right. I'm not trying to castigate (good word by the way;) ) Trey. However, right is right.

I remember a fellow Polkie needed some coax for a home project, I sent him some 100 ft or so free, I asked he pay the shipping. He did, and was grateful. I was glad to help.

I agree with you that we need to look out for each other. People are generally fucked up today, it is really nice to find a place where there are scruples similar to my own.

As far as Har goes, I saw his post. I saw Russ's warning. I choose not give THAT JERK OFF the energy of thought.

TroyD

03-08-2004, 08:44 PM

Anthony,

I actually posted that before I read you post so it wasn't aimed at you amigo.....

I also just read madmax's post, I LIKE that one. Also, madmax is another one I owe, he sent me a videocamera in the desert so I could make tapes for the lovely Wendi. Now that I think of it, I need to make good MY end of that deal.......:o

YIKES!

BDT

hotwheelman

03-08-2004, 08:48 PM

Imo..Sid not bashing you or your dad for that matter, but I agree that the freebies should go back to whence they came. There are some out here that are in need of one and are having a devil of a time coming up with one, let alone one for zero. You need to have a one on one with dad and explain this whole situation in a nutshell and make the strong point of what the right thing is to do here. I believe also that it will keep you in the good graces of other forum members as well.

Another suggestion would be to just leave whatever it is that your dad is doing out of conversate entirely and stick to what good ol sid is up to instead, any info about dads items should be left up to dad and invite him to come here and post about if he wants...imo. But that should be after things have been rectified in regards to the sl matter. You seem to be a good egg, just don't want to see this one bit you in the ass, know what I mean?

Troy, has there been a date hashed out for the east coast gathering? Just curoius as I definantly plan to be there since the dirve is only about 4 hours or so from here.

madmax

03-08-2004, 08:58 PM

Originally posted by TroyD
Anthony,

I actually posted that before I read you post so it wasn't aimed at you amigo.....

I also just read madmax's post, I LIKE that one. Also, madmax is another one I owe, he sent me a videocamera in the desert so I could make tapes for the lovely Wendi. Now that I think of it, I need to make good MY end of that deal.......:o

YIKES!

BDT

Well,
I have been patiently waiting for how long? Oh well, It takes a few years for me to get annoyed. Maybe after the next war? :D :D :D

madmax

TroyD

03-08-2004, 09:01 PM

Man, I don't want to let it go THAT long (although my next deployment is looming soon).

Date for the polkfest at my house is planned for Columbus Day weekend in October. The ONLY change to that would be if I'm not back from the desert but that SHOULDN'T be the case.

BDT

madmax

03-08-2004, 09:21 PM

Feel free to keep your use on. I was just kidding.
madmax

shack

03-08-2004, 10:55 PM

Well, I've been around this forum for a little over two years...and thouroughly enjoy the daily banter..both good and bad. It really can be entertaining at times!

My personal rules for this forum are simple:

- Try to learn something about audio/video.

- Try to give Polk it's props whenever possble (They really deserve it!)

- Try to avoid "wars". I've had disagreements with a couple of folks and said my peace and then I'm done. In a case or two I have kept my word and not entered threads they are involved in.

- Avoid discussions with children. I have two teenagers that I have to deal with every day (plus their "friends" and boyfriends). Don't get me wrong...I love my girls and they have generally good friends. But they know everything about everything. Their opinions and "facts" change everytime the wind changes direction. And it all makes perfect sense to them. I don't need to get online for more of that aggrivation. Adults only please. (I also try to avoid adults that act like children!)

- Speak out when something is wrong. I will do it once (usually), say what I think and let it go. It may be an issue of something morally, ethically or legally wrong (IMO). My therory is that if I see something that I think is wrong and say nothing...then by my silence I have condoned the words or action...and that is wrong. I try not to preach...but even if no one cares...I have said something.

- Offer opinions and advice to help if I can.

- Try to make sure if something "IS MY OPINION" that I present it that way. Also respect the opinions of others (even if I don't agree).

- #1 - Enjoy the forum! If it is an agrivation, I'd rather be listening to music on the Polks. To this point it is still fun and I enjoy most of the guys here. I really look forward to meeting some of you folks at Troy's this fall. I WILL BE THERE!

Side note to Troy - When are you going back tp Iraq? I just found out that my brother-in-law who is a Chaplain with the Tennessee guard will be heading over there in a few months. Sounds like it will be a lengthy stay. He's a good guy (even if he did marry my sister), who knows...your paths may cross.

Tour2ma

03-09-2004, 01:59 AM

I never thought I would make friends through the internet, but I have here.

Never thought any friendships formed on this forum would translate into face to face friendships, but they have. And hopefully more will in future.

On balance this is still a great forum with more than it's share of good people.

warviper

03-09-2004, 04:59 AM

I just would like to thank every one for contributing to the forum. I have just joined recently my self and I log on every day just to see of there is anything new with any of you guys.

Lately i ve been looking for an amp and F1nut aka Jesse has opened his mind and let me borrow form his knowledge. I’m sure he has better things to do than to walk me through every single amp on audiogon but yet he still did just that. But the funny thing is that i m sure that if I would have asked any number of you guys that I would have gotten the same results.

I love the way you guys are always looking out for one another and the family atmosphere. Let’s not let a few bad incidents spoil a great thing for new people like my self. Your work here is appreciated. :D

And I think that Treys dad should just send them back. Shit like this is going to make people stop helping each other out. :( Pm me his email and Ill send him a message. Not like its going to matter to him what a few words from a complete stranger and all. But I wonder how this is going to affect Trey. "Yes son profiting from someone’s absolute generosity is ok, stealing from the church collection tray is just fine. How do you think I got the 1.2's". Let me borrow a quote from Justin the web guy " Bad Bad Man".

Who knows maybe this will make it to the hos. LOL then I will really feel as if I belong.

danger boy

03-09-2004, 06:08 AM

HEY! Don't make me open up a double can of whoop ass!! :p

As I see it... the club Polk forum has over 20,000 members. How many of use actually use these forums on a regular basis? Maybe.. about 20 people here are the only ones that post on a daily or regular basis. Why aren't we hearing from more of the members in here? I think part of it stems from that fact that.. whenever a new member wonders in... there is some kind of fight brewing here or there.. and it's not very easy to avoid.

I try not to ruffle any feathers in here.. and I know most of you all are the same way. Yeah it's fun to kid and joke around about RussMans huge noggin. ;) but he knows.. that i'm just showing some normal kidding.. and nothing more. If it bothered him.. i'd never do it again.

There will always be times when someone acts inappropriately (sp) and will catch hell for it. That's something we just can't avoid. It's bound to happen. the odds are in favor of sooner or later something going awry.

But i try not to add fuel to the fire whenever some sh*t is going down. I try to be informed about the topic.. and offer whatever advice I can to calm the situation. Doesn't always work of course. Other times I just avoid it all together. I say if someone rips another member off.. lets not make it public. Lets keep it private. You are welcome to send PM's to other members and discuss it calmly.. but do it in private and lets keep the (public) forums, above all that crap.

I'm not pleased to hear what Sid's dad did or is doing.. but you know what? I'm not losing any sleep over it either. I frankly don't give a rats ass what he does or how he lives his life. What goes around.. always comes around to bite you in the ass.

So Sid and other guys who are bent out of shape with what his dad is doing.. just let it slide. His dad is not on these forums.. so from here on out.... don't do any business with his dad. capiche

that's just my two cents. take my advice or not. It's up to all of us to do the right thing from here on out.

warviper

03-09-2004, 06:14 AM

Im sorry DB I feel the need to have it out here away from PM's. What if some one gets a bad deal and they dont tell anyone about it and the same person that screwed someone now has the opprotunity to do it again. Having a good reputation on this forum is an honor not a given. Good guys should be praised and the bad should be punished.

PolkWannabie

03-09-2004, 10:17 AM

As Justin suggested yesterday ...

Telling about it and pointing at past threads is one thing ... Name calling ad infinitum is another and IMHO not much better than the original transgression. Most of us in here are adults and believe it or not are capable of making our own decisions based on the facts.

steveinaz

03-09-2004, 10:38 AM

Though I've only been here about year, this is by far one the best forums I've ever been associated with. Every forum has its problems, but this one seems to get it "right" and doesn't suffer the problems most forums can't get past. Sure there has been some bumps in the road--they're unavoidable--and you'll have your occasional troll, deadbeat, or even con-man; but those folks come and go quickly and the core group remains in-tact.

For what it's worth, this is 1 of 2 forums that I regularly visit, and will continue too because of the knowledge, the personalities, and the general discussions--it's pure enjoyment for me.

Thanks to all who make it happen...

gidrah

03-09-2004, 11:03 AM

I visit this forum ever frickin' day. I don't always reply when I could or even should, but I keep coming back. Heck, I don't even read most of the threads anymore, but I love it here; even though a majority of the content doesn't interest me at this time, the people do. I don't own SDAs (yet). I don't own the LSi's, nor the RT, nor the RTi, nor an SVS, nor a 7.1 system, but yet,......!

weavercr

03-09-2004, 11:04 AM

Troy,

I completely agree with your words and the level I would like this forum achieve.

I have seen a few members give items away for shipping only. This is great. I Sent some items for free once and I received shipping + a little. I was only asking for shipping. This is is the type of behavior and Honor I would like to see from all forum members.

warlocks1

03-09-2004, 11:14 AM

Nice post Troy.

I am all for the buy low and sell high electronics game. I have IMO, a very nice system and I hardly paid anything for it. I have sold stuff for unbelievable profits and almost felt guilty about it. But, this forum is different. I see the generosity daily. It is the generosity of Russman and Amulford that caused me to give the tweeters to Trey's dad. I don't regret doing it. I believe what goes around comes around. I have not been part of a community on the internet before, and this is the only place I can honestly say that I feel welcome. This forum is supposed to be FUN, not a Ebay forum.
I don't want the tweeters back, I want one given to Russ (Hoosier) and one given to anyone else that needs one. If the generosity and caring stops here, I will be leaving the forum.
I have no friends that understand my passion for A/V gear. I need someplace where I can share my passion and Polk is the only place I have found. God Bless Polk and the people here.

criverajr

03-09-2004, 11:30 AM

I guess I have been here for around a 1 1/2 years and really enjoy this forum, I have started with nothing and have a nice rig that I am pround of. I have learned a great deal about the audio business and about people in general in this forum, I have made great deals known and some deals have gone unpublished but have been great none the less, I love my polks and my Rotels. When I first posted I got flamed by some older members and was one called crymearivera, which made me mad as hell but now I look back at it as growning pains. The forum has gotten a little out of hand, I like that losers are exposed quickly and without mercy and we generally look out for each other. Sid, I feel that if your dad is going to use this forum for anything polk related whether to buy something or sell, or even ask for asistance then man up, or other wise I really don't want here anything related to your dad, I am not being a wiseass just my opinion. I will get off my soapbox and say Viva Polk!

Carlos:cool:

hotwheelman

03-09-2004, 11:44 AM

Quote from warlocks: "I don't want the tweeters back, I want one given to Russ (Hoosier) and one given to anyone else that needs one."

This one is in need, I have one that is toast. Not trying to put myself ahead of anyone either as I know there may be others in need as well. If treys dad decides to let them back into the community I sure could use it.

Cheers,
Mike

pixiedave

03-09-2004, 11:49 AM

I think it sais a world that Sid,s Dad brokers whatever through his son, and when shit goes wrong He hides behind Sid and lets him take the brunt of the FURY!

Sid you should refrain from even mentioning your father, You are a member of this forum not your Dad, and his actions have hurt your reputation while he blindly remains alloof and indifferent.

I think it is great that you and your dad have a like interest and hobby, too many kids and dads hardly communicate. But here you should seperate yourself from Dad,

You have owned up to your transgression in the past, and you obviously love Audio and HT.

Good luck!

PolkWannabie

03-09-2004, 12:03 PM

HotWheelman,

I understand your need and I personally don't have a pair of SDA anythings let alone spare parts at the moment to play with.

I also understand that this idea will not really resolve some of the related issues, but if I thought it would and we could return to posts that are interesting to read, I'd buy a pair for you and have them shipped directly to you.

nadams

03-09-2004, 01:37 PM

Well, I guess I should chime in a little. Mostly I lurk about the forums, asking questions occasionally, maybe even answering one every once and a while. But one thing I make sure of is that I try to keep my nose out of the childish fighting that goes on from time to time. People seem to forget that even though you are not talking face-to-face to someone, you are talking _to someone_. It amazes me to see adults say some of the things that they do around here... sometimes it seems more like I'm sitting in a classroom with a bunch of kids my age (17) than adults....

But one thing I've seen that does lean towards maturity is the fact that if someone offers a sincere apology, it is usually excepted, and life can go on. I'm not going to comment on Sid's dad or the tweeters thereof. I've read through all the threads concerning the topic, but sometimes it's better to just stay out of it.

I remember when Sid first posted here, and he hasn't stopped since. I remember the stunning announcement that nascarmann had died; even though I had just started posting here, and didn't really know him. I could tell that the forum had suffered a huge loss. They're memories that keep me around here. It's like family... everyone has a different personality, but we have to learn to accept that. When people are having a bad day, we need to try and make it a good one.

Anyway, this post is getting too long for even my tastes, so I'll cut it here.

If you want to look at me as an immature 17 year old high-school senior who has no place telling adults how to act, so be it. But I don't expect that from any of you. I've always been treated as an adult here, whether the person knew I was 17 or not.

nadams

PS- sorry about the semi-incoherency, I'm at work and battling a cold and a fever.... not the best conditions for a rational post.

Zero

03-09-2004, 01:56 PM

Awww, this thread makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Group hug?

This thread provides us all with a perfect hindsight. It is virtually impossible to teach old dogs new tricks and behaviors. You can however, roll up a newspaper and smack sense into them every once in awhile, even if just for the moment.

We've had our sunshine, now lets bring back the entertainment..

gidrah

03-09-2004, 02:05 PM

There was this time when I spent many hours working on some speaker cables for somebody that I thought could benefit. Yep, I got my shipping and bulk material costs back. It's not like he asked me if I wnated to make a few bucks.

There's a few members I owe (personally not financially), but there's even one member that I won't do business with again till I can "one up" his "one up manhip" (unless he comes across something I REALLY want but never knew I needed).

ninerbj

03-09-2004, 03:58 PM

As far as the number of post next to my name, it would be easy to place me into the "newbie" catagory here in the house that Polk built.
I have admired Polk speakers for as long as I can remember. I have owned such speakers for 20 years. Does this make me more or less knowledgable then say someone with 1000 or 4000 post? I am sure you would all agree that this is not the case.

In all honesty, I would have become a member LONG ago only if I would have known the forum exsited. Am I happy I found it? Yes, very much so! I too am one of those "silent Bob's" who read this forum every day. Most times 2 to 3 times a day, and very seldom post.

A lot of your guys that have been in here for many moons have to sit back and try your best to remember what it is like for a newbie coming in for the first time. Although I have gained a wealth of knowlege from my short time here, it was quite intimidating to say the least. If I remember right, one of my first post was a question on LSi stuff. My questions got answered, but what freaked me out was later that week I came back to find my thread was still going strong...not about the LSi's anymore...but some freeking squabble over something unrelated! (I laughed so hard a blew snot)

I guess what I am trying to say is... Good people will come and go here. If you come across a total douschbag that is nothing more than a cheat and a thief...then as the guest of the house I think it's only right to point it out to the rest of us.
We all know how to read....
We all are capable of forming our own opinions...
Keep it real, and thanks to everyone here for sharing their wealth of knowlege and passion for this god forsaked hobby!

Brad

Vr3MxStyler2k3

03-09-2004, 05:21 PM

In May 2002, I joined this forum. The first couple of months I coasted around the outter limits and stayed in the back seat. I asked several questions, nothing real major. The only real experience I had with audio gear was a JVC MX G50 Shelf System! That was not much to count for. My system at the time was a Sony receiver and RT35i mains. I knew nothing.

My first real post was to stop Russ, Troy, and Dan from fighting in one thread. It was kinda funny. I don't remember the details. This was the first impression, my first chance. The people on this forum was cool.

About a year later, I had grown a comfort level, at this time I still used my old SN MXstylepolkman, like no one remembers, I was wild, started fights, fueled fights, ended fights, and supplied the HOS with many threads. This time was short lived when I finally changed my ways on the forum.

I made this screen name. To turn over a new leaf. However, to turn over a new leaf is not something so easy. It is easy for one to forget the past, but for others around you to forget is entirely different. Russ still did, and has not changed in the least bit. As a member said, He casts bigger stones than the pebbles being thrown most of the time.

My new leaf has come to a short life, and is now dead on one side with the first skin, people don't forget.

Then, everything that has happened the past month has taken place. Problems and events that have taken place, that I had little or nothing to do with were placed in my name and changed my reputation to ruins. This is not fine by me.

So when I continue to try to defend myself, others knock me down saying just to let it die. The hole I am digging is not to dig deeper, but to dig to the side and up out of this hole that everyone on this forum has thrown me in.

My Dad knows nothing of the happenings on this forum, telling him what has happened on this forum would be a waste of time and breath. He is more stubborn than I in most cases. If he truly wanted to give something to a member here, he would have on his own set mind. That is all I will mention of this.

Now, for the events that have taken place my reputation has fallen, from trustworthy, to watch out. When I have done nothing wrong. If everyone on here wishes to look at me as someone that will screw someone over, dosnt deserve things, or just wants free stuff and is the only reason I am here.

You all are so easily influenced by something that barely involves me. I am here for the hobby, I work for my stuff, and I didnt get it by stealing or getting killer deals. Some of the stuff, I paid to much for if anything. To say I am here to eff with people and make everything faulty would be untrue and anyone that knows me on this board other than slamming me all of the times knows that.

I don't care for what yall have done, and I dont care for the perception of the world this forum has. I think it is great yall want to keep fellow polkies safe, but atleast keep them safe from the ones that are messing up.

Now, it is 3/9/04. Almost 2 years later. Many thousands of posts, and I have learned alot from this forum. Many times, I have threatened to leave and I have been asked to stay and learn more. I have made alot of friends on this board, even some that most wouldnt expect.

But it is so amazing how you all can dismiss someone on something that they have nothing to do with. At that note, this is my last post. This is my goodbye. You can all praise god, and give him thanks. You have droven off a member that has done nothing, yet you think so. If you think it is my place to drive MY DAD to do the RIGHT thing, then you don't know my dad.

have a nice day.

- Trey

Zero

03-09-2004, 05:39 PM

Now we're getting somewhere, although I swear I've been here before..... I like it. Keep it coming gents.

criverajr

03-09-2004, 05:39 PM

Trey,

I really don't know you or have anything against you or your dad, but saying that when and if you return to the forum just continue to be you, I have learned that what doesn;t kill you makes you stronger and it seems that people have tried to enlighten you and you have grown up on this forum, just take a deep breath sit back for a couple of days, don't post anything and just chill, clear your head and chaulk this up to experience. The facts on the speakers are or can be discussed to the cows come home just come back as Sid nothing else, don't talk about anything else except what you know and what you here, dad is dad and you are you. Who will talk to us about stacking speakers? No hard feeling with me. In case you decide not to come back it was fun while it lasted.

CRJ:(

jdhdiggs

03-09-2004, 05:49 PM

Well done Sid, at least in my eyes you've dug yourself at least a little bit sideways, if not up a bit.

Edit: Missed the leaving part... You'll be back... "Oh whoa is me" messages aren't the greatest idea of all on any message boards (They scream "JUSTIFY AND LOVE ME PLEASE!!!" IMHO), if you feel like leaving, leave. Don't make a big display. I guess that side tunnel just collapsed a bit. Take a deep breathe a chill (no peeking at the sight) for a couple days...

RuSsMaN

03-09-2004, 05:50 PM

Here we go again. What's this, the 5th time you've "left the forum". I think this puts you in the lead over Mantis.

As another forum member stated long ago, and I couldn't agree more:
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People will come and go on forums and imo, they don't need to publicly explain why. Nothing is more pathetic than reading someone's posts about "I'm leaving the forum" - more often than not, they are insecure individuals who crave peer recognition / validation and check back every ten minutes to see if someone actually gives a hoot about them.
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I love how you picked only MY name to mention. How's that Adcom amp treating you? Glad to know you are appreciative of me re-routing your receiver that got shipped to my house, instead of your buyer. How many evenings were spent on aim explaining things to you, answering your questions, and discussing what you were looking for in audio? Good to see it was WELL worth my time and efforts.

You brought up the topic, and kept posting about it - yet others reply and you get your feelings hurt? Call the effin whaaambulance already.

I give it 1 week tops, you CAN'T stay away.

Stones? Pebbles?

"I'm a mushroom-cloud-layin' mofo .... I'm SUPERFLY T.N.T, I'm the GUNS OF NAVARONE. I'm what Jimmie Walker used to talk about."

Cheers,
Russ

danger boy

03-09-2004, 06:29 PM

ok lets see now...

can we PLEASE get back to why we're all here in the first place?

our love of AUDIO! and VIDEO!

amulford

03-09-2004, 07:36 PM

I can honestly say that I really dig this forum. Although I have never personally met any of you freaks, I have come to trust a few of you. (I have this thing about trusting people, and I am a pretty good judge of character. I have to be in my line of work or someone could be killed.)

MOST of the folks I've met here are welcome to my home at any time. I feel a comraderie in here I have not found in other forums.

I don't wish to jump on anyone's case or bandwagon, it ain't my style.

We try to look out for each other here, and that's the way it should be. Can anyone remember the jerkoff with all the f/x 1000's? I smelled a rat, and we run his ass off.

I guess I'm trying to say that I don't use the word Brutha lightly. I found a few here, and I would like it to stay that way.

Anthony