MIT S3 interconnects on their way!

[madmax]

They should arive on monday. Wish me luck!
madmax

[F1nut]

Luck? You don't need luck with those cables, you're going to love them!!!

[Tour2ma]

With or without the jumpers? :D

[madmax]

Originally posted by Tour2ma
With or without the jumpers? :D

Maybe its just too early in the morning but I'm not getting it. :)

I ordered a 1M pair to go from the DAC to the preamp and a 10 ft pair from the preamp to the amps. I don't even know what I'm hoping for but I hope its better. Maybe a blacker sound behind the music, better soundstage or more detail? I'm not sure what to expect. I hope they do more than just look good.
madmax

[F1nut]

Madmax,

Tour is refering to my experience with the bi-wire speaker cables. Of course, jumpers have nothing to do with IC's.

Did you get my email?

[RuSsMaN]

Allow for burn in with the MIT. It made a VERY noticeable difference, especially in the bass in my rigs.

Does this mean we might see come Viper's up for grabs soon?

Cheers,
Russ

[madmax]

Corals, no. I only bought a couple of the MIT's so the Corals will move down the food chain to my low life SACD player.
madmax

[Zero]

Would love to hear the ShotGun series sometime.....

Terminator series, well, it looked good....

[madmax]

So you didn't like the terminator series?

[Zero]

It was cool looking. Does that count? heh

[madmax]

Initial thoughts after 4 hours. (They say 100 hours are required before the results are reasonable).

First of all I only received the 1M which goes from my CD to the preamp which replaces a pair of $60 Phoenix Gold IC's. (Very unique in bang for the buck in my opinion). From the preamp to the amp is still my Audioquest Corals.

No joy. Well maybe a little. On my best material all seems to be the same. One CD seems to stand out. The Cars Candy-O. Previously it was all mid bass but now all of a sudden it has some lower bass cues which were not there previously. The voice seems to be a little more up front and more reasonable. This CD is a favorite music wise but the presentation really sucks. It seems a lot more reasonable right now. Not nearly as tiring to listen to. If I had to form an opinion right now I would say this set of cables made a very small improvement on only the worst material.

BUT...

We are only into it for 4 hours. Lets see if it gets any better.

madmax

[madmax]

I let the CD player run over night for 8 hours. After getting home from work I fired it up again, let it play for about 3 hours then sat down for some serious listening. I started with a country group called Hadacol. It has very strong guitar at the far left and right, vocals in the middle with various other sounds located in various positions in the soundstage. I couldn't tell any difference. After that I played CSN&Y "So Far". This has always been a favorite as far as recording quality and soundstage goes. It actually sounded different than it had previously. (I know this CD inside out). Sounds have noticeably been let go from the speakers. This CD has always been very good for soundstage from left to right. It now has about 3' of depth that it didn't use to have. I listened to the whole CD twice because it was really messing with me mentally. :D

Summary:
After 16 hours burn in one CD sounds the same and another has gained about 3' of depth. (not an easy thing for SDA's to do!)


Today my other cables should arive. They go from my preamp to the amps. They were used for a few months so hopefully they will not require such a long burn in.

madmax

[madmax]

My other cables (same ones, just longer) arrived yesterday. I hooked them up between the preamp and amps. I let it play for about 4 hours before any serious listening. We are at 20 hours on the new 1M set and 4 hours on the used set. (I am going to assume the used set may be close to being broken in).

The bass was slightly enhanced both in volume and positioning. The system sounded much different. I think the Corals going from the preamp to the amps were limiting a lot of what the MIT's were doing. Now they are adding on each other.

The center image, although very strong previously, now sounds more real and has a little depth. It used to sound somewhat limited in frequency response on many recordings and fake on others but now it is pretty much full range. The center image is almost totally detached from the left and right on the few recordings I've tried. When only the center image is playing it gets real scary. I keep looking for the speaker which is not there and look at the left and right speaker in disbelief that I cannot detect them playing.

With both pairs of cables in place the sound initially seemed darker. What I was perceiving as a loss of treble was really loss of treble edge as all the real sounds are still there.

Summary:
After 20 hours with both pair of cables the bass is more pronounced with better positioning. The center image is more real and has a better frequency response. It is also even more detached from the left and righ and has a little more depth. A small edge on the treble is no longer there.

Right now for the first time I consider these cables were worth the cost to me. They took care of some long time problems and brought the system to the next level. Even if they do not improve beyond this point I am happy but it is my understanding they need close to 100 hours to sound their best. I must say I'm a little surprised at the difference burn in makes.

This is a lot of fun but I hope I'm not boring anyone...

madmax

[dcarlson]

Very interesting. :)

[Zero]

And how much did they cost you ?

[F1nut]

Your findings are on par with my experience, great isn't it!?!

[madmax]

F1, so you have the same ones and found the same results? Great minds think alike... I have absolutely no second thoughts whatsoever. I must say I took a leap of faith here with the idea I could pretty easily re-sell them. That won't be necessary.

I found one 1M pair from an internet seller NIB for $220 and a pair of 10 FT used for 3 months for $340. List was $400 and $500. I paid a little more for the 10 ft ones because they are not as common as the 1M. Let me say this, the upgrade was not as dramatic as my CD/DAC but was well worth the money spent.

I would not recommend them unless used with equal quality equipment. One thing I was worried about was that maybe my SDA-SRS were already at their quality limit. That was not the case. They responded to the upgrade with flying colors!

madmax

[Zero]

Excellent finds Madmax.

Most wires I have delt with yeild various performance, but nothing that even remotely justifies their outragious price tag. I am about to wash my hands with this whole wire spcheel, though I may try these MIT Shotgun's. The Terminator series flat out sucked....

[F1nut]

Madmax,

I'm using MIT Shotgun S1 interconnects and MH-750 Shotgun bi-wires with M3 jumpers. I don't recommend using bi-wires, just go for the best single runs you can afford. I totally agree that these would be a waste if your gear isn't up for them.

[dcarlson]

What type of gear are we talking?

[madmax]

F1,
I was seriously considering the S1's or S2's but I didn't think I was going to hear this much difference and so I wasn't willing to give up the cash. As of now I guess I would. The thing we all have to keep in mind is that there will allways be something better out there. PLEASE shoot me if I ever buy a $2K interconnect.

The equipment? How silly to give a review without mentioning the associated equipment. Sorry about that. Below is the equipment used in the evaluation. I calculated the cost of the new cables as being 6.67% of the total MSRP cost.

Theta Data Basic II transport
AudioNote DAC 1.1 kit
Modulus 3A preamp
Manley Lab-100 Mono tube amps
SDA-SRS speakers
Assorted aftermarket power cables
Audioquest Type IV speaker wire
VibraPods on transport, DAC, and preamp
Average mix of tubes

MSRP: $13,500
Scroungers cost: $5300

[Zero]

MadMax,

May I inquire as to why we dont see your awesome system in the showcase? That goes for you too, Jesse. Do the community a favor and post up the info along with pictures.

[madmax]

There are a few reasons.

#1: It is always in a shambles because of trading components around and trying new things.

#2: Because of #1 it never looks the same for more than a few weeks.

#3: Although I would be into it I won't until I have things set up in a more suitable way (like wardsweb's setup). Call me a perfectionist if you like but in reality I am just disorganized. I did buy some racks last year in an attempt to give the system look a little class.

#4: Oh man, you mean I have to figure out how to post the pics...

madmax

[steveinaz]

MAX,
Try some Audioquest Granite speaker cable next. I had Type 4 (2 sets bi-wired) and replaced them with a single set (non-biwired) of Granites, I've never looked back. Deeper, more refined bass and absolutley grainless treble. Midrange was edged forward just a touch (much needed). Ask I-SIG his impression's for a more objective review, he was down last weekend listening to my system.

[F1nut]

Madmax,

Yes, great minds do think alike! :D

I believe the biggest difference as you move from S3's to S1's is a tad better bass. That said, I would like to move up to the Magnum M1's next......don't know when, but it's in the plan.


Steve,

I mean no disrespect, but I'm a firm believer in using the same brand for all my cables, especially with MIT as they are rather unqiue. Therefore I would recommend that Madmax do the same if he's so inclined.


Sean,

Ok, one day. Like Madmax, I feel as though it's not polished enough yet. Gotta redo the floors and stuff like that.

[Zero]

MadMax,

I respect you enough to tell you how it is: Your excuses hold no weight. Get off that rear end and clean up. Daunting, I know, but I have faith in you.

Most peoples systems change on a consistant basis. I am not asking you to keep us updated via: photograph every time a new spec of dust falls on your precious SDA's. Just a few shots of the system itself, is all.

We are not a bunch of nitpicking women when it comes to cosmetics of the room. Look the gallery, I can see maybe only a handful of systems that are put in an adequate room with favorable acoustics. We are not going to "booo" you out of the forum. Take that aprin off, be a man, and proudly show off your cave. Jesse, that goes for you too.

No one gives two shits about polished floors. This is a Polk Audio website, not a Christopher Lowell website...

[madmax]

F1,
When you upgrade let me know. Maybe we can work out a deal.

As far as the speaker cables go I am going to try the Polk "Cobra" cables next. I have had them laying around for over a year. They scare me a little. They are a perfect transmission line acording to Matt Polk. This is not a good thing for many SS amps as it allows a very high frequency feedback problem which can destroy some of them. Since I have tubes I am going to take a chance on them. (tubes roll off the really high frequencies (above 40 khz which should keep them from destroying themselves). Or so Matt says...

Does anyone remember exactly what he said about them when we were at polk headquarters?

madmax

BTW, I am up to 40 hours burn in but won't bore you with the details since I didn't do any serious listening. Man, it is hard to get 100 hrs burn in without just letting the system go when you are not around. I just cannot do that.

[F1nut]

Originally posted by madmax
Does anyone remember exactly what he said about them when we were at polk headquarters?



The only thing I remember is that they kill amps! :eek:

Where did you find a pair of those??? I want to see them. :D

[pjdami]

Congrats Madmax on finding some wire that helped make a difference in your system.. Awesome! Nice review.


Man, it is hard to get 100 hrs burn in without just letting the system go when you are not around. I just cannot do that.

Ed Zachry! I'm fighting burning in 5 DIY powercords right now. Taking effin forever it seems.

[madmax]

A fellow polkie got them for me. They are very rare. Very cool wire. It is flat with red and green wire braided in a snake skin looking pattern. Very cool. I've read in a few articles that if you take 4 of them and wire in parallel that it is about the best wire you can have (so long as you don't have some particular problems. :D The problem you can have, as I remember it, is that since it is a perfect transmission line you can get a feedback in the RF frequency range which pretty much turns it into a radio station transmitter. This pulls so much power out of the amp that it burns up. This is in the 100khz+ range which the tubes will not support. It is my understanding that if the tubes cannot operate in that range that the feedback cannot occur.

Thanks for the comments on the review. I've tried to be as objective as I can. I was perfectly willing to report I couldn't hear a difference. Some of the differences I've noted are small but they make a big difference in presentation. I am amazed now that such delicate sound differences effect what you hear in the way it does. Not what I expected at all.

madmax

[dorokusai]

Max - I just received mine today, and have had them hooked up for about 4 hours. I picked up 2 pairs of S3 IC's and an 8ft. S 3 speaker cable. What a nice speaker cable/interconnect...it's sexy in an audio way huh? I knew about MIT burn-in thru Jesse, and without a doubt these things change as they get warmed up.

My sibilance is finally gone, thank goodness. I am going to pop in the Mullards I have, when these cables get tuned up. I should have my system rack by next Wednesday, so I can start cleaning this place up :D It looks like an MIT rat's nest!

How have they been going since your have more time on them?

I will do some more critical listening after my setup gets clean.

[madmax]

I think you will like them. They really do need at least 50 hours burn in. I am still very happy with mine. Some day I may even move on to the S1's. I would have never thought these cables could make such a difference before trying them. Everyday I find my system becoming better and smoother. With my cheaper cables the system seemed limited.
Let us know your findings!
madmax

[dorokusai]

I'm set for good as far as MIT. I don't feel there's any need to move any further, lest it be into the realm of diminishing returns.

They sound excellent, look excellent, why bother IMO :)

[madmax]

Have you tried different switch settings?

[dorokusai]

I had one set on Low by mistake, then switched it to Med per the spec's....but I didn't hear anything different. I really think you would have to have test equipment set up to tell any difference.

That or be a Bat :)

Did you?

[Zero]

Jesse, Mark, and Mad all owning the same cables. Im feeling so left out *sniff sniff*.. oh Im sure someone wouldnt mind loaning theres out for a few days demo eh! eh!?

haha

Congrats on the purchase.

Sean

[madmax]

ATC, I have no problem with the demo idea.

Doro, send ATC one of your cables for a demo... :D

[dorokusai]

Originally posted by ATCVenom
Jesse, Mark, and Mad all owning the same cables. Im feeling so left out *sniff sniff*.. oh Im sure someone wouldnt mind loaning theres out for a few days demo eh! eh!?


It's a Maryland thing, no Virginians allowed ;)

[Zero]

FINE! *sniff sniff* I see how it is! Who needs ya! *sniff*

[mantis]

Mad,
looks like your having some fun over there.Pic's would be really cool Bro.

Wire burn in is very important.I get excited 2 and try to demo right out of the box.Sometimes I do just that,I feel I just been had.But then after some time,the cables burn in and I get to hear what they can do.I feel they should give you all they have brand new out of the box,but they don't.

Good thead man