Me again the new guy

[kyle_252]

Any suggestions about what set up i should go with? Plz help me out with all info and prices if you want. Reviews are welcome as well.

Kyle A.K.A the new guy

[MacLeod]

Um...well since you didnt specify much of anything Ill just give you a generic system that is at a moderate budget but high performance.

Alpine 9827 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-jjIlIA1qbMG/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=300&I=500CDA9827&o=m&a=0&cc=01&avf=N&search=)----$260
Polk Audio MM6-----$300
MTX Thunder502 (http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/MTX502) [125x2]----$350
Polk Audio MM12----$180
MTX Thunder421 (http://www.sounddomain.com/sku/MTX421D) [421x1]----$300 (You can go with a 2nd Thunder 502 for 500x1 but knowing MTX that is prolly more like 575 and would be a bit much for that sub where as the 421 is prolly more around 490 which is a better match)

Assuming you have a quality install, this will sound damn good. It will have plenty of power to play very loudly and remain clean.

Polk Audio speakers rule and MTX are the best built amps on the market! They make oodles of clean power and are indestructible (A guy I used to work with claimed he once ran one at 2 ohms mono for months with no problem. One of his subs fried is the only reason he went back to 4 ohm mono)! They look a little gay but will kick your ass!

Rockford Fosgate Punch amps are on sale at SoundDomain right now and are very nice amps.

My favorite amps are JL Audio, Orion, MTX, and Alpine V12. Xtant are awesome amps but are a little low in the power and a lot high in the price. Coustic is also a great little amp for a lower price option. They are very well built and quite powerful as well.

[MacLeod]

Well I just thought of something. That amp wont work with that sub. Polk Audio is probably the only sub maker left that doesnt have dual voice coil subs. The one I recommended is a single 4 ohm which would have that amp at only 200 rms or so. Way to little power. So I would have to ammend my recommendation and say go with the Thunder502 or the RF Punch P5002. Oh and RF amps are not on sale at SoundDomain anymore either. They were last night tho.

[neomagus00]

isnt polk coming out with dvc shortly?

hey kyle, what kind of budget do you have? cause you can get set up with $500 or $5000+

[exalted512]

yes theyre coming out, but the only ones ive seen/heard about were DCV DB subs...
-Cody

[MacLeod]

Originally posted by neomagus00
hey kyle, what kind of budget do you have? cause you can get set up with $500 or $5000+

Hmmm...$5000 eh?

Alpine 9835 (http://www.crutchfield.com/S-6tiARbEev4N/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&c=3&g=300&I=500CDA9835&o=p&a=0&cc=01&avf=N&search=)---$550
Focal Utopia 6.5 components (http://www.cartoys.com/cartoys/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Product_ID=20885)---$1100
JL Audio 300/2 (http://www.tweeter.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1221386&cp=1124288.1124542.1124456&sublevel=2&parentPage=family)---$430
JL Audio 12W7 (http://www.tweeter.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1219385&cp=1124288.1124550.1124488&fCat=1124488&fpricesort=priceDescending&filter=yes&fbrandid=93331&parentPage=family)---$750
JL Audio 1000/1 (http://www.tweeter.com/product/index.jsp?productId=1219395&cp=1124288.1124542.1124459&sublevel=2&parentPage=family)---$1000

Then an assortment of top-of-the-line Streetwires all the way around with disto blocks and 1/0 guage wires to boot. Some building materials for the sub box, various installation materials like vibe dampening and some beer money should put ya around $4800 or so.

I could change it around some but pretty much the only other thing I would get would be Tru Technology amps or maybe Braxx. Other than that, I could die happy!

[exalted512]

ill tell ya what you can do with $5000 worth of JL equipment...:D
-Cody

[neomagus00]

hmm... i could step it up to a second w7, plus mobile video - the good stuff - downgrade from utopia to k2, and be quite happy :)

[kyle_252]

Yeah no more than $400 with everything put in. If possible 2 subs not just one. But ill go with just about any set up thanks guys sorry for all the trouble.

New Guy

[MacLeod]

Originally posted by exalted512
ill tell ya what you can do with $5000 worth of JL equipment...:D
-Cody

ROFLMAO!!! :p
I love it! I like to throw out JL every now and then just to see your response!! ;)

Oh yeah theyre a ton of variations. This would just be my favorite. Im not much of a bass head so 1 W7 with 1000 RMS will be WAY plenty for me! ;)

Id rather save on the sub and amp and put that towards the best set of components I can get. Utopias or Dynaudios or the like.

As far as mobile video goes, I couldnt care less. Ill leave that stuff to the rap videos.

[exalted512]

Originally posted by kyle_252
Yeah no more than $400 with everything put in. If possible 2 subs not just one. But ill go with just about any set up thanks guys sorry for all the trouble.

New Guy
$400...that wont get you two subs...
thatll get you 12" JBL GTO sub
a 4 channel profile amp
db coaxials all the way around
and a wiring kit
youd have to build your own box
-Cody

[MTXMAN]

did i just miss something or did macleod say mtx was clean????


I'm very confused now.....

[neomagus00]

no, he did... me muy confusedo now too...

[AustinKP]

Originally posted by MTXMAN
did i just miss something or did macleod say mtx was clean????
No, he's actually coming along quite nicely now. He's recommending more than 50Wpc for MM6's, he recognizes that MTX sounds great...pretty soon he's going to be dissing JL. I'd say within a couple weeks :)

[neomagus00]

nah, i'll give him the willpower to resist that one for at least another month :p

["Polk" Paul DiComo]

Dual voice coil MM2104, MM2124 and MM2154 subs will be out within the next couple of weeks. DB DVC subs in about a month. For $400 you could build a nice starter system.

The important thing is to think about future upgrades and a long term plan. You could get a whole mess of crappy stuff for $400 and then throw it all away when you are ready to step up to something that sounds GOOD. Or you could take a building block approach with good stuff to start and build the system over time.

Phase One:
1 db124 DVC in a home made sealed enclosure
1 pr. DB650 coax system for the front doors
that gets you to around $200 at realistic retail pricing, leaving $200 for an amp. For that kind of money you're not going to get a great amp to run everything. I'd go with a mono amp to run just the sub and use the built-in amp in your head unit to run the coax speakers up front...at least for now. This system won't be a head banger although the sub will be able to play plenty loud but the front speakers/amp won't be able to keep up with the sub.

Phase Two:
Once you saved up some more dough, add these:
1 pr. DB6500 component system to replace the coaxials from phase One. Move the coaxials to the back deck or rear doors.
A 2-hannel amp to run the front component system, using the head unit amp to run the rear speakers OR get a 4 channel amp tpo run all the cabin speakers. You can probaly do Phase Two for another $400.

Phase Three
Add a second DB124DVC and mono amp.

Think long term, favor quality over quantitiy and in the long haul you'll have a system that is wel built, reliable and sound like actual music, not just noise.

[Jstas]

If you favor quality over quantity and buy equipment with that in mind, I find that quantity is usually tagging right along behind quality.

I think I would forgoe all the MTX, Alpine and JL crap and the stuff that is totally out of the price range too.

I'd stick with Paul's Speaker reccomendations and get the db650's from sounddomain.com for 100 bucks. Get a single Polk MM2104 for now for about 120 bucks. The I'd get the Hifonics Warrior Eagle for 115 bucks and a Hifonics Nemesis NX400 for 160 bucks.

That leaves you room for improvement when you get enough cash for a set of rear speakers and a 2nd sub if you are interested. Total cost would be just under 500 bucks. Your 400 dollar budget is very tight to be able to do what you want for it.


All that is totally worthless though because you have yet to tell anyone what kind of car you drive. That can vary the price by 50 dollars or more.

So make with the detailed info if you want a serious answer.

[MacLeod]

Originally posted by AustinKP
No, he's actually coming along quite nicely now. He's recommending more than 50Wpc for MM6's, he recognizes that MTX sounds great...pretty soon he's going to be dissing JL. I'd say within a couple weeks :)

That does it! Ive taken enough abuse! Its time to set the record straight and put a stop to the sullying of my good name! :p

On dissing JL, dont hold your breath. I will always sing the praises of JL Audio!! They are the only company that makes great everything! Amps, speakers and subs are all top notch. They are the only manufactuer that I would proudly use all their products and not worry about a thing!!

And for the record, I never recommended 50 watts for the MM6. I was coming down on the 100 watt and below range but now realize that the MMs are not your typical speaker and need more juice. Ive never been against more power, I just dont think you have to have 250 watts per channel to make a speaker sound good. I believe to just go with what theyre rated at. If theyre rated at 150 rms then thats what they need. If its 75 then so be it. There is a point where more wattage doesnt make it sound any better, just louder.

I admit to doing a 180 on MTX, so ya got me there. Ive always liked their gear and thought their amps were bullet proof with awesome construction, but jumped on the "MTX are dirty" bandwagon. It wasnt until I actually listened to a couple at CC showrooms and in a car here and there and was quite impressed.

[exalted512]

Originally posted by MacLeod
On dissing JL, dont hold your breath.
yea, i dont think hes going to diss JL...hes a tough cookie
lol
JL makes good stuff
there, i said it
but its so freakin overpriced its RETARDED
if i can get a 10w7 with warranty for $300, theres a good possibility id get it
but the day the 10w7 sells for $300 with a warranty is the day hell freezes over...
-Cody

[neomagus00]

i thought it was already frozen over... i mean, those pix were up in two days... man, hell's gonna be one great ski resort if jl drops prices that low :D

[MacLeod]

OK, so JL Audio sucks because their W7 is too expensive? So by that logic:

JL Audio 10W7 - $550...........JL sucks
Diamond Audio TDX 10 - $600......Diamond Audio sucks more
Treo Engineering CSX 10.22 - $650.....Never heard of em but they suck
Orion H2 10 - $700.....Yep, Orion sucks too
Morel Elate SW 10 - $750....Morel sucks a lot
Focal 27WX (11") - $950....Focal really sucks
Pyle PLEW 10 (their top of the line) - $75....Pyle RULES!!! :p

[exalted512]

Originally posted by MacLeod
OK, so JL Audio sucks because their W7 is too expensive?
no, not just the W7, their amps, and their speakers are too expensive too
ive said it before, they make good stuff...they just price it retardly(is that a word?) high
the other subs you listed are mainly for either SQ or SPL, i think the Diamond is the only one that does is SQL like the w7
and all of them do a better job in either SQ or SPL respectively
well...SQ is more of what your preferences are though...but ive heard the diamond and i like it better than the w7, granted it was 2 different installs, but both were by shops in either dallas or san antonio, i forgot, but anyway they were both made for SQ
but i dont hate JL because theyre too expensive, i hate them because they overpriced, not only the W7
Originally posted by Exalted512
but its so freakin overpriced its RETARDED
see?
theres a difference
focal components, the TOTL ones are expensive, but i wouldnt accuse them of being overpriced
and for the record, i would never buy any of those subs you just named except for maybe the Orion, you can get those for pretty cheap some places
if you want loud, go RE XXX
if you want loud SQ, go Adire Brahma
if you want loud SQ for cheaper than the Brahma, go Image Dynamics Max
the only JL product I might consider buying are the XR components...i think its the XR, theyre not horribly priced, still kinda high, but not bad
-Cody

[MacLeod]

I hear ya bro, I just dont think they are overpriced. The amps are competitive with anything else in their power/quality range.

JL Audio 75x4 - $475
Xtant 50x4 - $550
Polk Audio 75x4 - $600
Rockford Fosgate Punch 100x4 - $600
Orion 100x4 - $500
Precision Power 75x4 - $600

Now their E series is very competitively priced. Most of those are $300 or below. The only performance differences between the two series are a full range crossover and the Slash series are fully regulated.

As far as subs, the W7s are the only super priced ones. The W6 is in the $300's and the W3 is in the sub $200's.

I guess it all depends on what you think sounds good. I have used JL and have always thought they sounded great and consider them to be worth the cash.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree...or agree that Im right...whichever :p

[exalted512]

ill agree to disagree
but im still right
:D
-Cody