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Willow
10-29-2004, 11:44 AM
what makes a TV digital (may sound dumb)
McLoki
10-29-2004, 09:39 PM
Non-technical, but I would proclaim a digital TV as one that will:
1) Display signals in a higher resolution than standard TV. (480p, 720p or 1080i)
2) Will up convert a standard TV signal into at least 480P. (i.e. will not display at standard TV resolutions)
Keep in mind both comments are opinion only and based on no fact that I can substantiate without writing it again. :D
Michael
Frank Z
10-29-2004, 10:25 PM
A Digital TV is capable of receiving a Digital Broadcast.
An Anolog TV can only receive an analog signal (NTSC)......
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Willow
10-30-2004, 07:18 AM
thank you for the link
LittleCar_w/12s
10-30-2004, 11:40 AM
Digital TV is just a digital (1's and 0's) that is received by your TV, or box, and then decoded to the analog signal to go to the tube, etc. It is relatively impervious to interference, as it is just on or off as a signal... When analog tv signals get messed with, we SEE the results very clearly (or un-clearly)
It's the generally same difference as using a computer monitor with the standard cable, or one that uses DVI (digital video) cable, but keep in mind that analog signal to your TV has to travel sometimes HUNDREDS of miles, that's why digital was released. I sure hope they have built a good digital standard for it, else we'll be throwing out our recievers every few years. Analog is analog, no decoding, and sometimes simple is better.
therockman
10-31-2004, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by LittleCar_w/12s
Digital TV is just a digital (1's and 0's) that is received by your TV, or box, and then decoded to the analog signal to go to the tube, etc. It is relatively impervious to interference, as it is just on or off as a signal... When analog tv signals get messed with, we SEE the results very clearly (or un-clearly)
It's the generally same difference as using a computer monitor with the standard cable, or one that uses DVI (digital video) cable, but keep in mind that analog signal to your TV has to travel sometimes HUNDREDS of miles, that's why digital was released. I sure hope they have built a good digital standard for it, else we'll be throwing out our recievers every few years. Analog is analog, no decoding, and sometimes simple is better.
Actually an analog VHF signal only has a maximum travel distance of about 75 miles according to the FCC regulations. And as far as a digital signal is concerned, there is a lot of digital distortion even after a mere 40 miles. Digital distortion is seen as the screen showing entire lines of color bars at random spots on the screen, or the tell-tale sign of random lines of "blue in the sky" or even the entire picture going to "blue in the sky" momentarily. Analog distortion is much more subtle than digital distortion, which can cause entire frames or even sections of a broadcast to disappear.
Rocky Bennett
TheGrayGhost
10-31-2004, 02:39 PM
As you can see from the response that you have gotten “Digital TV” means different things to different people.
Is a direct view (CRT) TV with Digital tuner a digital TV? It is a High Definition TV (HDTV) because it can display resolutions above the SDTV resolution of 480i, but in my opinion is not truly a digital TV because the digital signal at the receiver must be converted to an analog RGB signal to drive the tube, or tubes in the case of a rear projection HDTV.
A true digital TV will maintain the digital signal all the way to the light engine such as the DLP and LCD HDTVs.
therockman
10-31-2004, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by TheGrayGhost
As you can see from the response that you have gotten “Digital TV” means different things to different people.
Is a direct view (CRT) TV with Digital tuner a digital TV? It is a High Definition TV (HDTV) because it can display resolutions above the SDTV resolution of 480i, but in my opinion is not truly a digital TV because the digital signal at the receiver must be converted to an analog RGB signal to drive the tube, or tubes in the case of a rear projection HDTV.
A true digital TV will maintain the digital signal all the way to the light engine such as the DLP and LCD HDTVs.
By FCC definition, a digital TV is a television with a digital tuner.
TheGrayGhost
10-31-2004, 08:57 PM
Originally posted by therockman
By FCC definition, a digital TV is a television with a digital tuner.
I did say "in my opinion", but that is only because I work at the circuit board level in DTV.
PolkThug
11-03-2004, 01:35 AM
UGH! This is a huge misconception. There are SIGNALS that are digital or analog, and their are DISPLAYS that are digital or analog. Some TV's can receive a digital signal, but display in analog.
CRT's are not digital!
Digital TV's: Plasma, LCD, DLP
Analog TV's: Tubes, CRT RPTV
Just because a TV has a digital signal going into it does not make the TV's display digital. CRT's are an analog device.
Regards,
PolkThug
Toxis
11-03-2004, 04:55 AM
Originally posted by PolkThug
UGH! This is a huge misconception. There are SIGNALS that are digital or analog, and their are DISPLAYS that are digital or analog. Some TV's can receive a digital signal, but display in analog.
CRT's are not digital!
Digital TV's: Plasma, LCD, DLP
Analog TV's: Tubes, CRT RPTV
Just because a TV has a digital signal going into it does not make the TV's display digital. CRT's are an analog device.
Regards,
PolkThug Finally... someone who has it right. I was about ready to make a huge post myself. Thanks PolkThug for pointing out the truth...
McLoki
11-03-2004, 09:59 AM
CRT's are not digital!
I dont think this is true. I currently have a panasonic CRT (tube) tv that is digital. The current version can be seen here. (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=71187&catGroupId=17037&modelNo=CT-36HL44&surfModel=CT-36HL44)
Even though it is a 4:3 TV it displays widescreen images in true widescreen (compresses the signal so the entire 480p image is displayed in 16:7). My TV has the classic digital image that, when you get close to it, seems to be made up of alot of tiny dots, not alot of small rectangles like a standard TV. (bad description but stop by Circut City or Best Buy and you will see what I mean. - just get really close to the TV and you can tell if it image is being upconverted to a digital format or not.)
It is possible I am just missing your point here, but I know my CRT upconverts all signals to 480 (I think p) and can natively display 480P (progressive scan DVD) and is supposed to be able to display 1080i (I don't have a true HD signal going to the TV to test this one though).
I think it really must all come down to this.
As you can see from the response that you have gotten “Digital TV” means different things to different people.
HBombToo
11-03-2004, 11:24 AM
I just purchased this little omni from the following link:
http://www.cmnc.com/home.htm
I was not looking for it but doing a bit of research on smart antennas for my company while playing on the Andrew web site.
Prior to purchasing it I has phased a pair of rabbit ear antenna's and was able to tune in the big 3 but still had some margin problems. If I played around with azimuth orientation of the ears I could sometimes get a couple of other digital broadcasts in the KC metro area but never really gave it much thought.
After setting this antenna up late last night while watching the poles I immediatly overcame all magin issues and now I pick up every dt broadcast available. The omni is perched on top of my right front RTA15Tl, "for now", until I get it installed. I found this is the best position because it is the rear wall of the house and outside the clutter.
just thought I'd share.
HBomb
PolkThug
11-03-2004, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by McLoki
I dont think this is true. I currently have a panasonic CRT (tube) tv that is digital. The current version can be seen here. (http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/vModelDetail?displayTab=O&storeId=11251&catalogId=11005&itemId=71187&catGroupId=17037&modelNo=CT-36HL44&surfModel=CT-36HL44)
A cathode-ray tube (CRT) is inherently analog. It must receive signals of varying frequency, NOT an "on or off" transmission.
Inside your TV, there is a digital to analog conversion.
Regards,
PolkThug
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