New school prayer

[keith allen]

A principal at a local high school (Athens,Ga.) was suspended for reading this little prayer over the loud speaker...what do you think?

Now I sit me down in school Where praying is against the rule. For this great nation under God Finds mention of him very odd. If Scripture now the class recites, It violates the Bill of Rights. And anytime my head I bow Becomes a federal matter now. Our hair can be purple, orange or green That's no offence; it's a freedom scene. The law is specific, the law is precise. Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice. For praying in a public hall Might offend someone with no faith at all. In silence alone we must meditate, God's name is prohibited by the state. We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks, And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks. They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible, To quote the Good Book makes me liable. We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen, And the "unwed daddy" the Senior King. It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong. We can get our condoms and birth controls, Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles. But the Ten Commandments are not allowed, No word of God must reach this crowd. It's scary here I must confess, When chaos reigns, the school's a mess. So, Lord, this silent plea I make: Should I be shot, my soul please take! Amen.

[bknauss]

Getting ready for the flame war...

[F1nut]

They should have given him a medal.

[Willow]

what type of school ? I could understand if it was a public school as why should one religion be imposed when there are many out there...if it was say a catholic one then by all means he should be able to speak that way.

[Mike682]

That principal put things in perspective....give him a promotion and make him the superintendent!

[Ron-P]

That is oh so true, I commend him.

[Mjr7531]

It's beautiful,
Freedom of! not freedom from!

[audiobliss]

Amen. He knows what it's all about. It's high time the world find out.

I'll hafta copy that.

[brettw22]

Originally posted by Willow
I could understand if it was a public school as why should one religion be imposed when there are many out there... There was never an issue about one specific religion being forced down people's throats.

Newsflash: PRAYER IS JUST PRAYER

Fanatics and lunatics have too much in common.

[Willow]

Originally posted by brettw22
There was never an issue about one specific religion being forced down people's throats.



As soon as you mention bible and 10 comandments you refer to a religion.....this may offend people who's beliefs are not in the bible.

Thats all I was saying...

[Zero]

Excellent summary - right on the mark.

[brettw22]

Originally posted by Willow
As soon as you mention bible and 10 comandments you refer to a religion.....this may offend people who's beliefs are not in the bible. It's ignorant to believe (generally speaking, not pointing towards you)u that you can, or even should, ever try to please 100% of the people 100% of the time. If people have other beliefs outisde the bible or 10 commandments, great for them. Give them ear muffs and let them read their own stuff(I jest....I'm sure they'd bitch because they'd be singled out for being the 'ear muffed' crowd).

It's a ridiculous mentality these people have that fight against (in the grand scheme of things) petty stuff like this.

If a vegetarian sees a commercial about Tyson Farms turkey and can actually find the inner fortitude to claw through and survive that ever so brutal 30 second commercial, I'm sure those with higher power faiths could struggle those same insanely painful 30 seconds to deal with something like a SILENT PRAYER.

To the lunatics: STFU
To the Kids: Do what you want

[Willow]

No offence taken..I respect everyone's views....and hope peeps respect mine..

you are right we will never be able to please every one....

but the vegetarian can choose to change the channel :D

[bikezappa]

What happened to the rule NO Politics or Religion?

[F1nut]

Religion? All I see is a statement on how FU*KED UP this country has gotten for the sake of a few minority view points. It's got nothing to do with religion and everything to do with morals or should I say the total lack of them today.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

What does that mean?

The adults of yesterday caused the changes of today.

This is the life everyone wanted, and now they got it... no?

No one gets offended this way, right? :rolleyes:

America The Sensitive - So Proud

[F1nut]

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
This is the life everyone wanted, and now they got it... no?


No Trey, it's not how the majority feel or want.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

It may not be...

But the majority didnt seem to try to hard to stop 1 or 2 people from changing everything for everyone. If they did, its definetely not what I ever heard about...

People get offended way to easy... some people just need to learn to ignore things. People that don't learn that, need to have all sources of communication cut out from their lives...the world is safer that way...

[madmax]

This whole thing annoys me. No pledge of alligence, no God, no prayers etc. Now it is getting to the point you cannot say "Merry Christmas" to anyone. One school I heard about would not allow anyone to wear the colors red or green over the holidays. At their "Holiday" party they were mandated to use white plates only, no colors which could be construed with Christmas. Well, I got one thing to say...

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE !

madmax

[keith allen]

MERRY CHRISTMAS to you MAX...and everyone else!

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Merry Christmas Folks!

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[PolkThug]

I have to agree with the school board's suspension. That is very unprofessional behavior.

Regards and Merry Christmas,
PolkThug

[BlueMDPicker]

:rolleyes:

Who gives a sheat.... click

[brettw22]

LOL......I'm playin that South Park song right now...........EXCELLENT!!!!!

[bobman1235]

Originally posted by PolkThug
I have to agree with the school board's suspension. That is very unprofessional behavior.

Regards and Merry Christmas,
PolkThug

Right. Though he may be(and, in my humble opinion, IS) correct, it's not the kind of thing you should do as a school principal.

I do applaud him for it though... the fact that he was suspended will give this some press, and hopefully bring this issue some more light so our society lightens up a bit.

Yeah right.

Merry Christmas to all.

[Sami]

The problem is that deeply religious (or hippocrate, the line is fine) people don't realise what is approriate and what is not. I am Lutheran myself but when someone comes to tell me how I should live my life based on Christianity or any other religion I will tell them to fuck off. If you believe in it, feel free to do so but don't come and tell me to believe in it.

Teaching right or wrong, that has nothing to do with religion. Birth control being bad? Maybe he should make up his mind first, "pregnant Senior Queen, And the "unwed daddy" the Senior King.". Hello McFly...he should be suspended for stupidity alone, a high school principal should be smarter than that.

No, this thread does not belong in these forums.

[Mjr7531]

Originally posted by Vr3MxStyler2k3
It may not be...

But the majority didnt seem to try to hard to stop 1 or 2 people from changing everything for everyone. If they did, its definetely not what I ever heard about...

People get offended way to easy... some people just need to learn to ignore things. People that don't learn that, need to have all sources of communication cut out from their lives...the world is safer that way...

Nope, because the Majority woulda gotten their butts sued off for it. The world is a mess right now, at least we know how it should be :)

[exalted512]

i was watching J Leno tonite and he said something about people cant say merry christmas in some stores, they have to say happy holidays or something to that effect. he also mentioned that valentines day is related to God and that were eventually going to have to change that to "happy intimate friends day"
the world is so retarded now. for real, if you believe it-who gives a damn?
i dont like ford...i dont bitch and whine everytime i see a commercial about them. get over it
-Cody

[dorokusai]

Here we go again.....soapbox time.

You could insert the word "God" with "Matt Polk", "Ten Commandments" with "Placement Recommendations"....in other words, create your very own Polk Audio Mad Lib....hey, let's dumb it up a little....but noooooo.

Nothing like a thread that contains wasted effort of some genuine cool individuals....noone cares what you think about God, Allah, Buddha or Penisclese the God of Fornication.

Clubhouse or not clubhouse, it violates the request of PA that we not talk about this subject....can you not get over your own desire to respond about something? No, we can't....can't seem to simply talk about audio....that would be CRAZY, like enjoying a Bose radio CRAZY!

[Toxis]

America has been getting more and more retarded by the year. Before long, we won't be able to take a piss in a public restroom without having someone offended that your "manhood" was out for other's to see.

[Mjr7531]

Originally posted by dorokusai
Here we go again.....soapbox time.

You could insert the word "God" with "Matt Polk", "Ten Commandments" with "Placement Recommendations"....in other words, create your very own Polk Audio Mad Lib....hey, let's dumb it up a little....but noooooo.

Nothing like a thread that contains wasted effort of some genuine cool individuals....noone cares what you think about God, Allah, Buddha or Penisclese the God of Fornication.

Clubhouse or not clubhouse, it violates the request of PA that we not talk about this subject....can you not get over your own desire to respond about something? No, we can't....can't seem to simply talk about audio....that would be CRAZY, like enjoying a Bose radio CRAZY!

good point :)

[bikezappa]

Given that all religions preach brotherhood, love for your fellow man and tolerance for all people without exception. Why is it that the world’s religions have never been able achieve unity?

Maybe all the religion bosses could get together and put together a common prayer of unity?

Merry Christmass to all.

[audiobliss]

I am Lutheran myself but when someone comes to tell me how I should live my life based on Christianity or any other religion I will tell them to fuck off. If you believe in it, feel free to do so but don't come and tell me to believe in it.


Now, hold on just a minute here. (Forgive me if you don't believe something I say here, for I'm not real sure about what Lutherans believe.) You mean to tell me that 1) you hold a belief that teaches that there is one way of salvation, that without salvation you're lost and condemned, and that you must hold to purdy strict (by the world's standards) morals; 2) that you believe it so strongly that you make those sacrifices wich it calls on you to make; and 3) that you DON'T believe it strongly enough to feel compelled to share it with someone else?! If I hold a belief that takes hold of my life and completely changes it and that I believe it is necessary for salvation, and I make the necessary sacrifices in my life to try and secure that salvation for myself, why in the world would I not have enough passion to get out in the world and try to save someone else? If it is truly all that important, why would I not try to share it? FOR the OTHER person?





Teaching right or wrong, that has nothing to do with religion. Birth control being bad?


Well, I guess this proves to me that you don't hold on to your belief very strongly. Religion has nothing to do with right and wrong?! I just can't even imagine that anyone claiming to believe the Bible could think that. Religion has everything to do with right and wrong. Take the Muslims; they thought that ramming those planes into the Twin Towers was right; why? Because of their religion.

You don't think birth control is bad? Well, maybe not birth control itself, but certainly the reason kids today need birth control. We shouldn't need that; abstinence (sp?) is the best birth control.




Given that all religions preach brotherhood, love for your fellow man and tolerance for all people without exception. Why is it that the world’s religions have never been able achieve unity?

I belief (and pray) that this will never happen. In order for different religions to come together and embrace each other and be as one, they are each going to have to make compromises in their beliefs. I believe in the Bible, and I believe that it is the inspired word of God. I sure don't want to compromise that in any way what so ever. And I'm sure the adherents of other religions think the same thing.




Clubhouse or not clubhouse, it violates the request of PA that we not talk about this subject....can you not get over your own desire to respond about something? No, we can't....can't seem to simply talk about audio....that would be CRAZY, like enjoying a Bose radio CRAZY!


You're right; I just couldn't resist; upon thinking about this, I supppose it IS against the rules.....however, they haven't stepped in and deleted it all yet.........besides, I couldn't resist......

[Mike682]

Originally posted by exalted512
i was watching J Leno tonite and he said something about people cant say merry christmas in some stores, they have to say happy holidays or something to that effect. he also mentioned that valentines day is related to God and that were eventually going to have to change that to "happy intimate friends day"
the world is so retarded now. for real, if you believe it-who gives a damn?
i dont like ford...i dont bitch and whine everytime i see a commercial about them. get over it
-Cody

from my blog: (2nd paragraph is the main point)

All the current "pseudo-issues" with the Christmas holiday have sparked many Christians and others to feel they need to "defend" this holiday. I use the term pseudo-issues because that is what they are: plain garbage legislated in the facade of fairness to all. The current hypersensitivity levels demonstrated in schools banning Christmas songs and trees, department stores refusing to wish people "Merry Christmas", and other random acts of christophobia have offended the many people who celebrate this holiday. So what this comes down to is this: in the attempt to not "offend" the few, they have offended the many and that is assuming that the people who live in America and don't celebrate Christmas are actually offended! A little weird isn't it? Borderline idiotic and illogical may be the correct labels.

It is counterproductive to discriminate in the name of diversity; Allowing some religious symbols but not others is just that, discrimination. Diversity by definition is the inclusion of all, not the exclusion of some. Those who feel offended by this season are themselves not celebrating the diversity they claim to be preaching.

In the end, there is nothing wrong with Christmas, that's it, nothing. Even those who don't celebrate it can still enjoy the free time to spend with family and friends. And what is wrong with that?

Merry Christmas

[Sami]

Originally posted by audiobliss
Now, hold on just a minute here. (Forgive me if you don't believe something I say here, for I'm not real sure about what Lutherans believe.)

I'm Lutheran by default, it's a state religion. I really don't practice and I don't believe in everything the Lutheran church tells me to believe in. I'm not atheist but I'm not very religious either.

I should have clarified it a little more. It's ok to tell others how you believe but it is not ok to tell others what to believe in. The latter is something deeply religious people often do, they tell you their belief is the only right belief. That is wrong.

Originally posted by audiobliss
Well, I guess this proves to me that you don't hold on to your belief very strongly. Religion has nothing to do with right and wrong?!

You can still teach what is right and what is wrong without involving religion. That is why religion has nothing to do with teaching right and wrong. I'm not very religious but I do have strong moral values, my believes of what is wrong and what is right. If the Christian God is such a forgiving and understanding good creature that is enough.

Originally posted by audiobliss
You don't think birth control is bad? Well, maybe not birth control itself, but certainly the reason kids today need birth control. We shouldn't need that; abstinence (sp?) is the best birth control.


Selibacy doesn't work, God/nature/??? didn't create us that way. We are animals and we have the animal instinct to survive and reproduction is a vital key to that. Lust is a part of our survival and to take that away? No, the only correct way is birth control as we don't have enough natural enemies to control human population (wars, famine, diseases).

That is where religions fail, they go into too much detail and to make birth control and sex to be sin is a sure way to alienate a lot of people. Sex is natural and fun, it is wrong to make it such a taboo that it is in America. Everybody is doing it anyway...at least those who can get some.