How to add a Preamp to a AVR?

[disneyjoe7]

Ok, with a AVR from Onkyo...

How do you hook up a 2 channel preamp to a typical Onkyo receiver.

[RuSsMaN]

Why would you want to hook a preamp up?

[disneyjoe7]

It goes back to my "Upgrade Thinking"

I wish to add the preamp to this AVR (the model before doesn't have the LAN for net music). I use the AVR for Bi-amping my front RTi150's with a HK 100wpc amp now. So if I added a preamp how can I get back to the AVR front amp? I would back feed the preamp on an AUX input so I still can use system for HT.

Or do I need to add a larger amp first so the AVR front amp is not needed.

[RuSsMaN]

Buy a better amp, then a preamp. You could rig it, but man, I wouldn't. Or buy a preamp, use the amp you have now, until you can afford better.

You're essentially ditching the AVR, and going straight 2ch, right?

Cheers,
Russ

[amulford]

Ditto what he said...

If you wanna do it. just f#ckin' do it.... Or set up a seperate rig. Don't try to over complicate, simplicity is best...

[disneyjoe7]

Russ,


Your right I listen to my RTi150's as 2 channel must of the time, TV or movies 35%. So yes I'm ditching the AVR I wish to to bypass it for all my music needs.

My next problem is my CD changer I don't like the DAC in it (sounds like sh*t to me) like the Digital output only. I would have my SCAD player to the preamp alone with my XM receiver, and the CD changer.

[disneyjoe7]

Originally posted by amulford
Don't try to over complicate, simplicity is best...

Thanks Amulford I needed that.

This was all my thinking I just seen some say add a preamp no problem, and I thinking will what I'm missing / misunderstating.

So the picture was to make sure I was on the right track.

[marker]

I think it can be done through tape monitor loops somehow.

[Shizelbs]

What model Oink are you using?

[danger boy]

it doesn't make sense to me to add a pre amp to an existing receiver.. freaky idea. instead add an amp to your receiver. for more power. or got seperates all together.

[disneyjoe7]

Originally posted by Shizelbs
What model Oink are you using?


I using the TX-DS898 receiver, it's 4 / 5 years old. The picture post is the closest model I could find online, the only difference is that this model adds the net music feature (LAN input) the input / output jacks are the same the spec's are the same. This AVR model is the one just under their flagship model.

[disneyjoe7]

Originally posted by danger boy
it doesn't make sense to me to add a pre amp to an existing receiver.. freaky idea. instead add an amp to your receiver. for more power. or got seperates all together.

I just wish to improve the warmth of my 2 channel music, using the Front speakers of my HT setup. Living in a large? 4/3 single level house, it doesn't make to much since to me to do a separate system.

[reeltrouble1]

Originally posted by disneyjoe7



So yes I'm ditching the AVR I wish to to bypass it for all my music needs.

My next problem is my CD changer I don't like the DAC in it (sounds like sh*t to me) like the Digital output only. I would have my SCAD player to the preamp alone with my XM receiver, and the CD changer.

Steve I would think that with our Oink's the problem is when you hook into the Oink, the receiver is going to add to/change the sonic signature of the original preamp signal.

Look here (http://www.doddaudio.biz/ncommerce/index.htm) Give Gary a call, tell him what you want and he will add more outputs for you. If you really want to smooth out the RTi this is what I would do for music. The Entry Level Pre is a pretty awesome little unit and very well built.

An alternative would be a new ss preamp, maybe NAD or B&K or Krell to name a few and depending on budget, they will do the Music/HT combination better than the Onkyo.

Cambridge Audio is getting great reviews for CDP I have seen several posts here about their products. How about that Jolida we heard at the fest??

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[disneyjoe7]

Originally posted by reeltrouble1
Steve I would think that with our Oink's the problem is when you hook into the Oink, the receiver is going to add to/change the sonic signature of the original preamp signal.



Ted,

Right now I'm happy with my current setup, but I know there's a better sound to be had. ;) Thanks to Troy's cave room.

I don't use a preamp has of yet, but this would bypass the Onkyo and feed an amp directly. My big problem is though I'm happy with the sound and power Bi-Amping the fronts I need that power amp in the Onk to feed my fronts. A larger amp is needed but I don't want to loss the front "3" voice match quality, so thinking it must be a multiamp to feed all 5 speakers / where a 7 channel amp is sweet as I can re Bi-amp the fronts again. This would give me the flexibility I need to do anything.

[reeltrouble1]

Ok, moving the amplification off the Onk and using it as a pre would be a good idea, the B&K 7270 would do you up nicely, however, it is just one choice. 7270 is 200wpc @ 8 ohm, 75 amps of current peak to peak, so you would be putting 400 into the 150's at high current which I believe they would like, they come up on Audiogon from time to time, you could consider NAD or Outlaw as just a few others.

I seem to remember your not liking Sunfire, however, they offer some interesting options in bi-amping, I know Tour is pretty happy with his.

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[disneyjoe7]

Originally posted by reeltrouble1
Ok, moving the amplification off the Onk and using it as a pre would be a good idea, the B&K 7270 would do you up nicely, however, it is just one choice. 7270 is 200wpc @ 8 ohm, 75 amps of current peak to peak, so you would be putting 400 into the 150's at high current which I believe they would like, they come up on Audiogon from time to time, you could consider NAD or Outlaw as just a few others.

I seem to remember your not liking Sunfire, however, they offer some interesting options in bi-amping, I know Tour is pretty happy with his.

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Well I'm looking at SherBourn 2100 amp 200w X 7, the Outlaw amp is rated the same both I like the Sherbourn over Outlaw don't know why. Any input on that?

Yes, I'm not a big fan of Sunfire. Tour is a big fan, and I would like to try it out myself (maybe I just need some time to reconsider this amp design)