SVS..which one(s)

[beardog03]

Okay, I know there are alot of variables..

Room size..24'w x 14'd x 8'-10'h (vaulted)
50/50 Music / movies

Obviously price also dictates, but does not make the call..

I`m looking at ;
Only SVS...
Cylinder type....
PC-ultra..has built in amp
CS-ultra...outboard amp
CS-ultra x 2...same as above just x dos

Box type...
PB12-ISD/2
PB12-PLUS/2 in cherry

If the wife catches wind before I make a move...I`m a dead man !!

Cylinders will probably be easier to place, but I want the best all around sound for music and movies...so I`m not going to limit myself

If I can pull this off, I will probably be replacing my HT unit with a new Denon (?) for the pre outs..
I have 3 Rotels that need to be used somewhere...

Any thoughts..?!

Thanks guys...
:cool:

[beardog03]

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[beardog03]

sorry the pics are so big...still new at this..

forgive the mess, and the "m" cables...everything is a work in progres..:D

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

If you can live with a cylinder sub, then that's typically the best bang for your buck. I own the 46-46PCi and love it.

It's not that cylinder are better, they're just more cost effective, and at a given price point should give you more for your money...

[beardog03]

any thoughts on which one(s)
1 or 2 ?
Inboard or outboard amp..etc..

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I'd go ahead and get the Ultra with the built in amp...

I'd get the 16-46 becuase it has the best low end extension out of the bunch, and you can always add another one down the road if you want greater spl. Most of your bass is above 20 hz and the 21-39 will work for all that, but they'll start making more and more music and movies with bass that trolls below 20 hz, Daredevil is the first thing that comes to mind. For that, you'll want to extra extension the 16-46 offers...

[jmierzur]

Send SVS an email or call them. They can give you great advice on their products.

Your room is fairly large. I would think that an PB12-PLUS/2 would be a better choice for the money. This unit is an exceptional value for the money.

[beardog03]

okay...
so far I have 1 for the ps ultra,
and one for the PB12-plus/2

I emailed SVS to get thier input also..

anybody else have an opinion...
c`mon guys...help me out here..

Russman is tempting me with cryptonite..

:eek: :D

[jmierzur]

I believe Polkmaniac meant the PC-Ultra unit. I have two of these. Depending on your listening habits (how loud you listen), you might want the extra output of the PB12-plus/2 over a single PCU. Just my $0.02. Let us know what SVS suggests.

[beardog03]

I just got the single fastest response in history..

Ron from SVS wrote me back and stated;

Robert,

That’s a pretty big space there.


Unless you really WANT to mess with separates, I would go with a powered sub.

The PC-Ultra is what I’d get if you are OK with a death-defying $1,149.


If you want to live a little longer you can get most the performance of the Ultra at a far easier to swallow $825 with the 20-39PC-Plus. It’s got the guts to blow most $2,000 subs into the weeds.


You seem to have a Cherry wood thing going on so let me toss out two very near-term possibilities:

A PB12-Plus/2 in Cherry. Pre-orders started today and get you a $100 gift certificate good for t-shirts, cables, SPL meters… all the things you need to keep out of the dog house. Considering we’re talking about a sub that’s $1,400 to the DOOR, and still humble most subs in the $3-5K range, well it’s quite a package. When you see one you won’t care if your wife kills you.



Right around the corner is the single driver PB12-Plus in cherry at “only” $999. It’ll have lots of power, probably enough to make you happy, though clearly it’s not going to challenge its big dual woofer brother.

More about these on the News page.


There’s no real advantage in sound in the box or cylinder design. Each has it’s strengths.


Ron Stimpson






I still would like you opinions though.....
I am sure any of these will be great , but ....

[dave shepard]

PB12+2 cherry would be my choice. It will give you everything you could need in both music and definately movies. For movies the twin driverrs will amaze you, there is more to movies LFE then most subs can give you and it will do so with ease. Music can be blent-in just as easy and will play well with any type of music you listen too and can be made as aggressive as you like and it will never complain one bit. Just be ready for the size it is large so I would suggest that you take the measurements and try to use something of that simular size and make sure you have a place for it that would be the only draw back but can be quickly overlooked once you fire it up.

My 2 cents

Dave

[beardog03]

Thanks for your input Dave...

I was thinking that the twin drivers would hit much harder, so I e-mailed Ron back and asked if I was correct in thinking this...

These guys don`t mess around in responding, and I should have an answer soon...

They are on the East Coast, so I may have to wait till tomorrow to see what he has to say..

JM and polkamaniac...
Thank you for your input also..

I was hoping someone with a "tube" type would have some insight on how they like it...

I`m leaning towards the PB12+2....in cherry of course,
but I am interested with the tube types because of placement possibilities...

I just don`t think they will hit the way I want..

[beardog03]

Got a response already !!

I asked if the "tube would hit like the box..

Robert,


No way. The PC-Ultra is a marvel of packaging and can snuff $3,000 subs all day long using up a measly 16” diam space … but it is NOT going to outgun a PB12-Plus/2.



I have a PC-Ultra myself and have never found it wanting in depth or output, but in terms of price (it’s a solid $100 more even in textured black) size, weight (not all advantages of course) and performance the big PB is a step above the tricked out PC (don’t forget the PC-Ultra has PEQ too so it’s got a feature advantage for tweakers out there. I’m not one of them, don’t use it myself ;^).

Ron


.....Now I`m thinking ?!!!
what the hell...don`t know what to think..!!!!

[jimed1]

I know this post is about SVS, but if you want to get rid of those RT55's let me know. I think I want a pair of those in cherry.

I would love to hear any of those SVS subs, everyone here loves them and they are really priced right.

[dave shepard]

I think you'll have a good choice in any of them but for a good beating the box would be the way to go IMO, I still get a thrill from mine and now don't know what I would do if I didn't have it, it really does wonders for me when I'm enjoying a movie it just makes it that much more exciting. I'm 80% movies/ 20% music and for me it does everything I need and then some.

Dave

[beardog03]

Jimed1,
These 55i`s are in mint condition...they sound great !
If my wife doesn`t kill me in my sleep, I would like to put some LSI9`s in thier place...
only prob is I own almost the whole line of rti`s, and would have to get some 7`s to go with the 9`s !!!
my 38`s aren`t even broken in yet..!!
The 55`s are almost there, but haven`t been used much, except for HT.
Been using them more now that I have a tube pre though....


Dave,
Sounds like Ron likes his CS-ultra...makes it hard to choose.
I know the box will be the one that hits hardest , but placement is a factor....
I just don`t want to spend that kind of $$ and not get the right one
either one will be a good choice...
do you have the PB12 plus/2 ?

[dorokusai]

Do you want a box or a cylinder, it's pretty simple.

And if you get the gift certificate for SVS stuff, I wear an XL :)

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

If you have a large room...

The PB2 + is the big choice.

Why? It will hit harder, hit the lower notes harder and louder...

In other words, when you need it most in movies, its gonna still be there.

I've seen the PC Ultra blow...

If you really wanna kick it up, go for the PB2 Ultra

[goingganzo]

i say diy or check out something form stryke whatever thety are called now you can even have a box made for you.
2 of these http://www.ascendantaudio.com/Avalanche%2015.htm 600
2 of these http://www.ascendantaudio.com/Avalanche%2018.htm 800
300-500 for pro amp


this setup will distroy any svs setup

this has a new motor xbl2
the bass is even more refined and smother

[trubluluc]

....I'll go out on a limb here, and say you are close to reaching that point where the front room begins to look like a speaker test area.
I'm there too.

WAF aside, I can not even imagine an average size room that would need more sub than a 20-39 PC+,
which is what I run in the theater which is 18'x14'x8'.
It will literally knock pictures off the wall.
I usually have it set at 10 o'clock position, (less than half way) and it's more than enough sub action, for any movie.
The PC+ is $825. so even with a good cable it's under $900. And it will take up way less space than a box, which will please the little lady.
But, if money is no object, go ahead and get the PC ultra.

-Luc

[trubluluc]

It's about the same size as your mains.
which look to be RT2000i's, which can put out a fair amount of bass on their own.

-Luc

[beardog03]

Ya ...you are right...
The wife isn`t diggin it lately...
That`s what made me look into the cylinders..
I`m runnin out of room..!!

I was actually thinking about putting one in between each 55 & 2000 !!:D

[danger boy]

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[danger boy]

the cylinder subs aren't exactly small either. although weight wise.. they are very light. I think mine weighs about 45 - 50 # is all. compare to what.. about 80 - 100+ for a box sub.

of course weight isn't the only factor. but if you move it around quite a bit.. then it is.

With SVS it just depends which you prefer. both box and cylinder subs are great. You'll be impressed with either one.

[trubluluc]

And that will work until you decide to upgrade the TV to widescreen.
It's always something, save your cash,
and marriage, the The 20-39 PC+ digs plenty deep, and punches harder for home theater.

-Luc

Originally posted by beardog03
Ya ...you are right...
The wife isn`t diggin it lately...
That`s what made me look into the cylinders..
I`m runnin out of room..!!

I was actually thinking about putting one in between each 55 & 2000 !!:D

[beardog03]

DB...

Thanks for the re-size...i have probs with doin that..!!

Trubluluc...
How does it do for music ?

I was just finishing my new stand when I mentioned where to put the new sub..!!
Big Mistake :rolleyes:

doors slammin...foul language...

I`ll post a pic of the new stand..

[beardog03]

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[danger boy]

take that! :p

[jmierzur]

Originally posted by beardog03
I was hoping someone with a "tube" type would have some insight on how they like it...


As I stated, I have two PC-Ultra's. I have made comments here (http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=17570) and here (http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21604) regarding these.

Ron has a PC-Ultra, not a CS-Ultra as you state. The PC and CS series are different beasts. The CS series requires external amps while the PC series are self powered. Make sure you realize the difference between the two series before you order.

You still have not mentioned at what level you listen to music/movies. If you listen at a louder levels, you may need the additional output of the PB12-Plus/2 for your room volume. Have you thought about two 20-39 PC+ subs for your room?

Your final choice will depend on your listening habits and budget.

[Zero]

RT3000's, RT2000's. Damn, Im starting to get a case of speaker envy.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Man those RTs in Cherry are freakin sexy dude....

[trubluluc]

For music, I find even the PC+ is too much sub for the room.
I have to turn it way down. Understand I love bass, but not to the point where it veils all other frequencies.
In my 2 channel music room, I use a
16-46 PCi and I have it set between 11 and 1 o'clock, depending on the music.
The taller, 16-46 subs, have much less punch and seem to blend better with my SDA's to sound very harmonious.
It isn't obvious to the ear, that a sub is being used.
If I was doing everything in one room, and was working with a 50/50 music/theater ratio, and had to choose 1 sub, it would be the 20-39 PC+ ,
and I would just turn it down some when listening to music.

-Luc


Originally posted by beardog03
DB...


Trubluluc...
How does it do for music ?

[Mike Reeter]

Speaker envy? I'm startin to get wood!!!

I would recommend the PC Ultra in a heartbeat,our HT room is 28'x15'x8' with a big opening into another large area...

The Ultra has NO problems filling all that space,and has never broken a sweat...tough choices...which ever SVS you end up with,I don't think that you will be sorry...

[beardog03]

Thanks for all your help guy`s...
I realize this question gets asked alot around here...

I have decided to go with the PC-ultra...
If I need to (and I doubt it) I will add another one later..when I get a chance to see my paychecks again..

could be a long time from now if the little woman has anything to do with it...
and I hear that now she does..!!

I`ll let ya know how it works out...

I posted a pic of my speaks in another thread for your enjoyment..!!









I think my wife wants to do bad things to me now...:( :D





(I still want to upgrade the yamaha HT unit...Denon 5803 ?)
thoughts ?..!!!;)

[pjdami]

I have decided to go with the PC-ultra...

Beardog. I think you will be happy with that choice.

I have a PB1+ box sub. It is very similar to the PC 20 - 39+. Same amp and driver just box vs. cylinder. My room is large like yours 22 X 19 or so with 10 ft. ceilings and opening to other living quarters. I normally watch movies at a "reference" level of -15, which is the calibrated 15 db off of true reference of 0 db. Ridiculously loud let me tell you during dynamic peaks. You can hear the bass outside of my house in the street almost during the Darla tap scene in Finding Nemo.

Be prepared to superglue all of those bottles down because the PC-ultra will take it a little further. ... although it might be fun to watch them all get knocked down the first time:D

[beardog03]

Are you saying the PC-plus may be overkill..?!

I was thinking about that...

all thoughs Tequila bottles I brought back from Mexico,
and those bottles of scotch took years to collect..

maybe velcro on the bottoms of the bottles, and strapped to the walls will help..:D

[dorokusai]

Whatever you do, make sure they are still removeable for consumption! I have a regular after movie chore of moving things back to where they were prior to the experience.

[pjdami]

Are you saying the PC-plus may be overkill..?!

Looks like Ron said you would be happy with either the PC-ultra or the 20 - 39 PC+. Its really a matter of room size and how loud you like it. I don't get the 115 - 120 db bass peaks like some people here on the forum, but I can't imagine watching a movie with peaks at that level.

With the size of my room, if my memory serves me correctly, I can obtain 110 - 112 db peaks. Not quite pants waffling like they call it but pretty impressive. I really feel destruction of the house / decorations at anything higher. I don't even have my PB1+ at the halfway mark. It is set at 11:00 o'clock on the gain.

Have you calibrated your system with a decibel meter and one of the calibration DVDs to see what level you normally listen to movies? That would be a starting point.

You might be able to save a few hundred with the 20 - 39 PC+ and be pretty happy with it. If you're a serious basshead go with the PC ultra.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

One way to improve the WAF...

Cable Management...

Congrats on the sub decision...SVS rocks...lol

[beardog03]

pjdami ,

I have never used a meter yet...
I will when I get the sub though...

I thought about the PB12 ISD/2 and the PC+, but that ultra sub is so damn impressive...
I realize I won`t even see the driver , but....

SQ is the ultimate goal...

I am also considering dual 20-39 PC+`s, but I think it would be easier to just dial in one unit....



Vr3MxStyler2k3 ,

It`s funny you mention that...
That is my wifes biggest complaint..!!
once I get the room set up the way I want it I will work on wire management

I ordered the sub then put the brakes on it until I can make my
mind up...
I know I will be happy with any of the the ones I`m looking into
but I keep vasilating between box and cylinder because of placement issues.



So far, Ron has been very understanding.
and very helpful...

[dorokusai]

You need medication.

[beardog03]

I know...