Wtb: F/x 1000 [Archive]

Airplay355

04-29-2005, 05:08 PM

have you tried ebay, audiogon and videogon? there usually arent alot of those models floating around so you will probably have better luck there. you also might want to try www.craigslist.com for local sales, but no guarentee that you will find anything decent there

tomar

04-29-2005, 05:50 PM

Thanks for the welcome and your suggestions. I have tried searching this forum, as well as eBay and Audiogon but I have not found any sellers. Videogon and www.craigslist.com are new to me so I will have to give then a try.

Skynut

04-29-2005, 06:11 PM

Tomar, good luck. It took me several months of serious trying before I found a deal that was both reasonable and what I was looking for.
FX1000's are not easy to part with once someone gets them.
Do you have the rest of the system?
What are you going to power them with?

Airplay355

04-29-2005, 07:28 PM

videogon is supposed to be for video stuff only, and is geared more towards HT, but sometimes people list things there that probably should be on audiogon. considering that f/x speakers are geared towards surround only i guess videogon is a good place for them.

tomar

04-29-2005, 09:22 PM

Skynut - I have a pair of RT55i's for my mains, CS400i for my center, and a pair of FX500i's for my surrounds. Everything is being power with an Onkyo receiver. I am in a transition phase where I am considering upgrading my system. I have no problems with my mains or my center, but I would like better surrounds. I figure a pair FX1000s would be a good match for my existing setup.

Skynut

04-29-2005, 10:39 PM

Originally posted by Airplay355
videogon is supposed to be for video stuff only, and is geared more towards HT, but sometimes people list things there that probably should be on audiogon. considering that f/x speakers are geared towards surround only i guess videogon is a good place for them.

Ok too cool, I have been to audiogon hundreds of times and never even knew there was a videogon.

Thanks

Skynut

04-29-2005, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by tomar
Skynut - I have a pair of RT55i's for my mains, CS400i for my center, and a pair of FX500i's for my surrounds. Everything is being power with an Onkyo receiver. I am in a transition phase where I am considering upgrading my system. I have no problems with my mains or my center, but I would like better surrounds. I figure a pair FX1000s would be a good match for my existing setup.

I just upgraded my system to the RT5000 minus the sub. Before that I had the RT2000p's, CS400i and the FX500's.
I am still using the 500's for the surround and I put the FX1000's on each side of the t.v. to enhance my center.
I am totally happy. (in case I haven't mentioned that yet)

ohskigod

04-30-2005, 01:25 AM

hey tomar

just my .02 for what its worth.

i'm wondering if the big money you would spend on FX1000's would not be better invested in your system. I think of you got the 1000's, they would be the most expensive set of speakers in your whole theater. most money spent on surrounds? doesnt seem right

am i coming out of left field here?, i've seem 1000's going for 600.00 at least, if not MUCH more!

P.P.S. hey bdaley6509, i'm sure Tomar is a big Boy/Girl (dont know which :p ), i'm sure he/she can handle his/her own affairs.

Frank Z

04-30-2005, 02:04 AM

I'd suggest getting an SPL Meter and doing a very thorough calibration before investing in bigger surrounds.

dorokusai

04-30-2005, 02:10 AM

I agree. You have a nice setup, get serious in setup before you invest.

It's a shame alot of folks waste money on the bigger is better approach. However, I do think it's well spent in other areas...never surrounds.

Skynut

04-30-2005, 03:12 AM

Originally posted by dorokusai
I agree. You have a nice setup, get serious in setup before you invest.

It's a shame alot of folks waste money on the bigger is better approach. However, I do think it's well spent in other areas...never surrounds.

This sounds right to me also. Unless you have a real big room, the 500's should be putting out plenty of sound in the back. If they are lacking you might want to think about re-aiming them, upgrading the receiver, or adding an amp.

Frank Z

04-30-2005, 08:53 AM

Skynut,
Aiming Bi-pole/dipole speakers is not possible.

Calibration and placement are the two areas that need to be addressed before any money is spent on anything else.

http://www.audiophilia.com/hardware/spl.htm

http://www.polkaudio.com/home/library/hthandbook.php

http://www.polkaudio.com/home/faqad/advice.php?article=placement

http://www.polkaudio.com/home/faqad/advice.php?article=optimizeroom

janmike

04-30-2005, 09:02 AM

Welcome tomar,

Everyone here had 3 posts at one point in time. Good luck.

faster100

04-30-2005, 09:51 AM

I thought bigger was better and went from rti28's to 38's.. the rti38 is hugely oversized for a surround, didnt make much difference and looked out of place on the side walls.. I removed them and installed them in thier box in the closet :D and went back to the rti28's... The fx1000's are huge, and unless your room is very big and even at that id say get the fx500i's (was that a model?) or the fx300's and call it a day.. if you can find em. Surrounds aren't so critical as mains and center IMO... important but not a main focus.. the material that is sent to them is sporatic and never at any intensity for any length of time.. well you get my point

Spawndn72

04-30-2005, 10:13 AM

Wow, look, somone who took the inital hazing and got some good advice. We need to save this thread and use it as a model. ;)

My 2 cents is that for the cash those fx1000's are going to cost you could get some serious amp's to run those fronts with and use the reciever to power the surronds. Take a look at outlaw's website. By relieving the stress off that onkyo you should see some more power going to the rears. Not a ton more, but it will sound better.

Goodlck,
Todd

wallstreet

04-30-2005, 10:56 AM

Geeez, I can't believe everyone's starting to dis the 1000's. Is this a case of 1000 envy?

Skynut

04-30-2005, 11:48 AM

I think a bigger picture might help. :confused:

Are those considered wallnut or cherry?
I have the same ones and thought they were cherry but they do not have the red I thought they would have.

dorokusai

04-30-2005, 11:51 AM

They are black.

Skynut

04-30-2005, 12:01 PM

must be the light.

tomar

04-30-2005, 01:09 PM

Let me try to explain my thought process a little more…

The problem I have with the FX500i model (my current surrounds) is that they only have one midrange per speaker. I have this nagging feeling that I am missing something by not having a pair of midranges on each speaker like most of the current bipole speakers on the market. I have tried a couple of speaker positions listed in the manual with varying results.

Originally, I had my 500’s in dipole mode placed to the side and above my listening position. The area behind me usually lacked sound. I have always thought that this was because the sound aimed towards the rear of the room was produced by a single tweeter. Most of the sound from the speaker was aimed at the front of the room since that was the side with the single midrange.

Then I tried placing the 500’s to the side and behind my listening position in bipole mode. That solved the lack of sound problem in the rear but my room layout makes this positioning inconvenient.

I thought that the 1000’s would allow me to place the surrounds conveniently on the side walls while providing a rear sound field I felt as though I was missing. Since this is an older model, I figured I might get a good deal on a pair.

I really appreciate all of your suggestions and advice. I am still learning so I welcome other points of view.

VR3

04-30-2005, 01:35 PM

At the risk of mismatching...

What do you feel about having towers for surrounds?

I know of a pair of Bipolar towers that cost less than the FX1000 by half...

You can look into it, its the Def Tech BP8 or BP8B, it will have a similar tone to your speakers with the tri lam...

However, it will be like having full range surrounds as they are pretty strong down to 30hz...

And, the old RT finish had a purple look to it when in extreme light. FWIW

faster100

04-30-2005, 02:11 PM

Trey his whole post revolves around wanting bigger surrounds But also matching to what he has, Now why would he want towers much less from a different company for his surrounds?

Im sure the def techs are nice, but why go change to another company for one set of speakers when everything else matches in his HT setting.

wallstreet

04-30-2005, 09:29 PM

Yep, those are black to match the black ls90's up front. I've settled on bi-pole setting as my favorite. I occasionally will run dipole, but in a 7.1 setup I don't feel it's needed as much as before. As for Tomar, I'd say go ahead and make the plunge to 7.1. Pick up a 400i for back surround or some other timbre matched bookshelves and your problems solved. A decent 7.1 receiver should cost about the same as a pair of fx1000's.

VR3

04-30-2005, 11:24 PM

Well, obviously he feels his current surrounds are NOT doing the job they need to do. OBVIOUSLY he cant find a pair of FX1000...

Obviously what I recomended cost HALF what the FX1000 goes for!

The sound traits are similar, both are metal domes, and both are at similar eff. The towers just go 10-20hz lower.

TroyD

05-01-2005, 08:01 AM

Jeezuz Sid, I could rattle off about 300 pairs of speakers that he could use. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Again, think before posting.

BDT

dorokusai

05-01-2005, 10:41 AM

Trey is into DefTech....thus he will recommend DefTech....c'mon Troy you know how it goes.

VR3

05-01-2005, 12:38 PM

;)

Another pair would be the RT FX (I think thats it) That was released after the SRT surrounds with dual 5.25" midbasses and two 1" tweeters...

Heck. any surrounds would work... unless he listens to alot of multi-channel music, it dosnt matter...

Axiom - Metal Domes, Mirage - Metal Domes - all would have similar sounds...

Def Tech Bipolar Surrounds (Can be found used cheap) - http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/surround/surround.html#bpvx

Axiom Bipolar speakers -
http://www.axiomaudio.com/qs8_main.html

Athena Bipolar Speakers -
http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=ATHASR1&product_name=Bi-Pole%20Surround%20Sound%20Speaker

Just a few of the ones that would probally meet his needs...

The Athena really strikes a chord with me, it has 3 midbasses in it... would knock out alot of sound to fill out the rear soundstage...

TroyD

05-01-2005, 02:59 PM

Originally posted by dorokusai
Trey is into DefTech....thus he will recommend DefTech....c'mon Troy you know how it goes.

Oh, I know, and if he digs them, cool. However, before offering suggestions, think about what is being asked. Other than that we should just be blurting out random things at EVERY post.

BDT

VR3

05-01-2005, 03:08 PM

Troy...

I understand what is being asked. And I said - "At the risk of mismatching" -

He wants bigger surrounds, surrounds that can better fill in his room, I gave him a suggestion of bigger surrounds. I doubt he could tell the difference of voice matched surrounds during a movie...as per my experience anyways...

There are plenty of surrounds out there like the FX1000... not hard to find if you just look...

So what? DT offers a speaker EXACTLY like the FX1000, and it hits 10hz lower. You got a problem with it? I don't, and infact...would be similar to the FX1000 in sound traits. The also offers 4.25" dual midbass surrounds, 5.25" midbass surrounds, AND dual 6.5" midbass surrounds with dual 6.5" subs...

Polk left the big center and surround market a long time ago. But that dosnt mean other companies have to.

The Polk RT FX has dua; 5.25" midbasses with a tri-lam tweeter I believe. (Or it might be a polymer from the RT series)...

The LSiFX might match as well...not match, but better suited for his room.

He wants bigger surrounds with two midbasses per side. I recomended a pair that i know has them.

Also, Mirage has tons of bipolar towers, and omni-polar surround speakers...

faster100

05-01-2005, 04:21 PM

well in that case, if he wanted towers as you suggested, he could get polk towers, have the dual drivers and larger size and still match. Right?

I mean, true the surrounds may not be critical, but for al intent and purpose some people prefer to stick with the same company in a HT anyways when they are still readily available,. ie: rt600, rt800 and so on... IF he wanted towers as surrounds. I still say, towers are for mains, and surrounds are for surrounds.. The sound is supposed to appear to surround you, and at couch level as a tower would be, it just doesnt "surround" you like speakers on the wall IMO.. :)

Dennis Gardner

05-01-2005, 04:22 PM

I think that the easiest thing would be for someone that has a pair of 1000's to do the "ClubPolk brotherhood offer" of only $1500-$1800 and give up his pair so that a newbie can see what we are "made of" here at CP.:D :D

Now, do the right thing and hook a brother up guys.

DG

VR3

05-01-2005, 04:42 PM

Is is true, I did recomend towers first time around...

My last two posts have been strictly BIPOLAR SURROUNDS**

Here is all of DT's Bipolar surrounds

http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/surround/surround.html

They have from small 4.25" midbasses (dual) to 6.5" dual midbasses and 6.5" dual subs... The BPX has 4 5.5" midbasses per speaker as well...

All of them can be found cheap, and all would be suitable for the RT line up and the LSi line up if you wanted bigger surrounds.

The towers I recomended are also different from the ones you recomended. They are, infact bipolar, front and rear drivers. The ones you recomended are DR and would be basically what he has no without the wide-soundstage in the back.

Another thing, the ones I recomended are ALOT smaller as well, as in 32-33" tall... they wouldnt be hard to mount on the wall either, wouldnt take much at all.

Also, the Athena surrounds I posted about above seem pretty good, with 3 5.5" midbasses and dual 1" tweets - but they are silver and wouldnt match the RT to well...

And while I'm at it...lol

You can't beat full range surrounds... 80hz crossovers just cant compare :)

dorokusai

05-01-2005, 05:36 PM

YAWN

faster100

05-01-2005, 06:07 PM

edzachry

VR3

05-01-2005, 06:23 PM

Glad I could get both of your brain capacities summed up in 2 posts...

Cant say I expected more :rolleyes:

faster100

05-01-2005, 06:34 PM

ease up there trim i mean trey, you didnt expect more? LOL

you push what ever product you have, its not in the best interest of the poster "all" the time. to just reccomend what you or me or anyone has at that particular time. I think though we have all let him know what we think, They are hard to find, very pricey and their are other options available in the same line.. he can do what he chooses at this point..

VR3

05-01-2005, 06:37 PM

I didn't just recomend DT...

Jeez, you people only take one thing I post and amplify it by 100%...

I recomended 4 or 5 speakers from 4 or 5 brands...

I only can post more about DT because I know more about them than say Athena, Axiom, Mirage, etc...

I also thrown in the Polk LSiFX, RT FX as some that could work...

I post what I know, and unfortunately, the two brands I'm "schooled" on is DT and Polk, and thats it, the rest I just know as a product to recomend, no real basis as to what they are.

Hell, I even took the time to research other brands and post links to the products...

Paradigm may be another brand to look into, although I am not familar with their product line.