Led Zep Karma items-testing the waters

[heiney9]

I’ve been thinking about this idea for a while. I need some feed back as far as interest in this type of thing. Also need to know if this is allowed in this forum. There seems to be some interest in Led Zeppelin here, among many other bands. I have been collecting LZ ROIO (recordings of illegitimate origin), in a word bootlegs, for over 20 years. I thought if there was interest and approval from the elders/moderators, maybe I could make a series of these available; via cdr’s, as a Karma item that we could pass around amongst those of us interested in hearing the band live, as they were meant to be heard.

I know with the latest releases of HTWW and the DVD we aren’t as starved for the live material as we used to be. Frankly, there are other essential performances that can only compliment the official releases. Obviously ROIO recordings won’t come close to matching the SQ of official releases, but the ones I have in mind are very good to exc. as these types of recordings go.

I have over 350 shows and would only make a handful of the best of the best available. Try them out, if you like, copy them and send them on to the next interested party. I haven’t worked out all the details yet, just seeing if this is appropriate and if there is some interest. If not, that’s cool. Just testing the waters……..give me some feedback, + or -.

Brock

[F1nut]

Works for me.

[ND13]

Sign me up, LZ is by far my favorite. Own every "officially" released recording they have put out. I would love to here some more live sessions. Hook us up H9.

[faster100]

what! No moral police on making copies of recordings? :D works for me also...

[gregure]

As tantalizing as that sounds, I honestly think this is a bad idea. First of all, participating in something like that is ILLEGAL, and as lax as many have become about such things over the years, I still think putting this on the web in a forum is asking to be caught.
Furthermore, given the extent to which Jimmy Page painstakingly set about remastering the albums, How The West Was Won, and the new DVD, I think we have the best and only examples of truly high quality live recordings, ones which the bandmembers themselves are proud of. I would love to hear more live recordings, but honestly, if they sound sub-par it wouldn't really be worth it.
Lastly, if Jimmy and Robert ever got wind of it, I would suspect they may want to put a stop to it, although since they are bootlegs, not copies of actual copyrighted recordings, it could remain under the radar. I'm pretty sure John Paul wouldn't give a shit.

[ND13]

Originally posted by faster100
what! No moral police on making copies of recordings? :D works for me also...

You had to go and wake them up.:(

[Toxis]

I would love to have a copy of this.

[faster100]

Originally posted by ND13
You had to go and wake them up.:(

I know right! :)

[gregure]

It's not a moral thing, just had to play the "we'll get caught" role.

[heiney9]

Originally posted by gregure
As tantalizing as that sounds, I honestly think this is a bad idea. First of all, participating in something like that is ILLEGAL, and as lax as many have become about such things over the years, I still think putting this on the web in a forum is asking to be caught.
Furthermore, given the extent to which Jimmy Page painstakingly set about remastering the albums, How The West Was Won, and the new DVD, I think we have the best and only examples of truly high quality live recordings, ones which the bandmembers themselves are proud of. I would love to hear more live recordings, but honestly, if they sound sub-par it wouldn't really be worth it.
Lastly, if Jimmy and Robert ever got wind of it, I would suspect they may want to put a stop to it, although since they are bootlegs, not copies of actual copyrighted recordings, it could remain under the radar. I'm pretty sure John Paul wouldn't give a shit.

I totally respect your input about concern of "grey" market recordings, that's why I'm asking for input. I've traded out in the open on list serv called "for Badge Holder's Only" a LZ text based mailing list. We have shared recordings for over 7 years, with tangible proof that either JP himself and/ or reps for the former members were lurking in the background. No trouble ever when it came to trading.

As far as the new releases being the best representation of the band. It barely scratches the surface. He only released what he felt he could salvage and make absolutely pristine. That's JP for you, a complete perfectionist. With out his painstaking attention to detail while w/ the band, and after, they would never have been what they were. I admire him for having, and holding such high standards.

These recordings are not up to the standards of reg. recordings. They were made in the 70's on ancient equip. In your opinion they may not be worth it, but in many others opinion they are treasures. A way to re-live something most could never exp. LZ was the best live band, EVER and the tapes prove it.

I will abide by whatever the majority feel is appropriate, but it's one thing to say don't do it for legal reasons and another to say it wouldn't be worth it. Not worth it to you, maybe.

H9;)

[ND13]

Like I said before, sign me up. They can come put the cuffs on me while I'm soaking up the "fresh" recordings on the SDA's, perfect SQ or not. ITS LED ZEPPELIN!!!!

[heiney9]

Actually I'm not trying to be a smart ass but here a couple of pics of Jimmy Page in a Japanese Bootleg shop making purchases.....


Pic 1

H9

[heiney9]

pic 2

[PolkThug]

Stop talking about it, delete your above posts, then DO IT!

For an example:

http://clubpolk.polkaudio.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23147&highlight=home+theater+demo

[gregure]

Hey, if the band is cool with it, and there's no legal hassles, I say go for it. It just seems there's so much crap surrounding unauthorized recordings that it seemed like a bit of a risk to propose something like that in print on a forum.
Again, if it's not a problem, whatever.
I don't think people are wrong for choosing to listen to your recordings just because they may not be of the same high quality recording standards of what's available commercially. Obviously plenty of people in America are happy with their iPods, so they are willing to sacrifice quality for quantity.
I'll admit, I would love to experience more live Zeppelin material, but I, perhaps like Mr. Page, am a perfectionist when it comes to recordings. Anything sub-par annoys me, and I can't help focusing on the flaws. You asked for input, I gave it. I was not speaking for anyone but myself.
Cool pics of JP, by the way.
The bootlegs he has in the photos appear to be of the same concerts that are used for the DVD. I think these photos were taken during his quest for material as he was building the DVD compilation, as some bootleg footage was spliced in to the official footage on the DVD.

[heiney9]

Gregure,

I do appreciate your input, and I hope the tone of my reply wasn't too harsh, it wasn't meant to be. I figure for free people can listen to the music and decide for themsleves if it's something they like or dis-like. Believe me LZ is the only band I collect. Even on a marginal recordings, when they are on, it's magic. I'm just as much a perfectionist for sound as you. LZ live is just magical regardless of the quality. Really there is some truth to what you're saying. Compared to HTWW, these are definetly a step down. There are people, like yourself, who just can't enjoy a performance no matter how good it is performance wise unless the sound is just as good. I understand. It may be worth a try.

H9

[heiney9]

Originally posted by gregure
Cool pics of JP, by the way.
The bootlegs he has in the photos appear to be of the same concerts that are used for the DVD. I think these photos were taken during his quest for material as he was building the DVD compilation, as some bootleg footage was spliced in to the official footage on the DVD.

Actually a call was put out thru some channels on our LZ list serv that they were looking for any bootleg video footage available to be considered for the DVD. I know one of the members on the list quite well and they used the actual footage he shot at Madison Square Garden in 1973. The B/W footage from the crowd looking towards the stage during the Ocean, right as the explosions go off on stage. It's only about 15 sec of footage. As far as I know no footage was used from any commercially avail bootleg video mat. They went straight for the master for what they ended up using in the DVD.

Actually when it was all done, JP used quite a bit of bootleg footage throuhg out the whole DVD, most if not all came from fan and collectors. JP was quoted as saying "we needed to go to the experts to get some of this footage, those experts are the fans"

FWIW

H9

[Willow]

Hmmm, I'm in.....it's not illegal in Canada:D

[ND13]

HMMMM....Did I say I was in, well I'M STILL IN!!!!!;)

What, it's not in the mail, yet?:D

[jgido759]

Count me in, also!

[Spawndn72]

In, just no one start throwing rocks, I live in a glass house as most of you probably do. :p

[faster100]

send it out man, :)

[PolkThug]

"N"

[thehaens@cox.net]

I think you are on to something....count me in...I have some good quality Rush shows, recorded straight off the sound board...

[heiney9]

Sounds like there's some interest :D I'm going to let the thread go thru the weekend and get back with more details next week about how this will work.

H9

:cool:

[ND13]

Sounds like a plan my man.

[DAGLJAM6]

IN- even if we end up off forum.

[Mazeroth]

HUGE IN for this one!

[Roy Munson]

Go for it!

N

[petrym]

In please!

[heiney9]

I haven't counted, but maybe a dozen or so are interested. I'm currently working out the details and will post later today. I think I'm going to do this in a chronological order as that's the best way to follow the bands evolution. So I will start out with 1969 as there is is only 1 show available from '68 and the SQ is marginal.

Details to follow.......

H9

P.S. This has been great for me because I'm pulling out all my stuff and listening all over again......very exciting!! The hair stands up on the back of my neck sometimes.

[heiney9]

Gregure you have a PM

Toxis you have a PM

H9

[heiney9]

I have assumed to this point that all interested parties are willing/able to make copies. That's the way I envisioned this working. I would send out the "seed" and then copies would be made and then the "seed" would be sent to the next person. If you aren't able to make copies let me know, I'll have to work that part out.

What would be ideal for convenience is if I could burn them to a DVD-R then people could extract them to their hard-drive and make their own cdr copies. Not sure if all have the ability to do this. This would stream-line the process. Is this possible for all of you? If not....we will just go the cdr route for the "seed"

Thanks

Brock

[heiney9]

Dave (DAGLJAM6) Your mail box is full. I've another PM to send.

H9

[DAGLJAM6]

I'm up ,sorry about that cleared my pm's out , I was looking at the back side of a pillow for a coupla hours.

[michael_w]

As long as they aren't copies of regular production cd's I'd say it's ok and I wouldn't mind getting in on this. Just might want to keep the names and addresses in the PM's...

[Toxis]

I don't own any recording hardware. I know, someone today doesn't own a CD writer on their computer. Strange but I never burn or have the want to burn. I have an iPod. hahaha

[heiney9]

I'm currently working on trying to decide the best way to do this. I'll post the results soon. I'm trying to keep this as simple as possible. I'll get back with more details soon.

Would anyone be opposed to making an extra copy to pass on to the next person? This means you'd make your own copy to keep, plus an extra copy. This means each person down the line can provide the seed plus another copy. Gets this out to twice as many people which would cut the time in half. This will speed things up.

H9

P.S. Part of the delay is me having to go thru my stuff again to select the best stuff, which is great, it just takes some time.

[PolkThug]

Just send out the first one and the rest will take care of itself. And before you know it, people from other forums you don't even know will be asking you for copies. Then you will get paranoid and delete all of your above posts and go into hiding. :D

[ND13]

Hmmm.. I'm still IN...

[heiney9]

I’m still working on this. I had jury duty this week and I’ll be busy getting ready for a special dinner on Father’s day for my dad. Plus, since I was gone at work, the work is still here so I’ll be staying late. I will get this done soon and get them out!

H9

[ND13]

Originally posted by heiney9
I’m still working on this. I had jury duty this week and I’ll be busy getting ready for a special dinner on Father’s day for my dad. Plus, since I was gone at work, the work is still here so I’ll be staying late. I will get this done soon and get them out!

H9

Excuses, excuses;) :D

Seriously, we've waited 20-30 years, I guess another week or so won't hurt.

[Pauly]

Just caught on to this one. Dont know how i missed ZEP (Got the ZOSO tat on my back) I frequent at another forum where it is legal to trade live (taped) recordings. Its called BnP which means blanks and postage. Someone offers a show with XX amount of people who can get Dibs then they send blanks and postage with return bubbler. It gets burned and popped in the mail back to you. They also start "Vines" which in this case it would work. Heiny i would start another thread (or you can go back through and pick out the interested parties in order) but basically it goes like this. Heiny would seed the show then you sign up

1
2
3
4
5
6
etc...
Heiny sends out the show to the first person who then copies the orig (burn or rip on HD) and sends out the Orig copy that way there is no sound quality issues down the line. Person one then sends the mailer to person 2 and the Vine continues. etc... As far as Vine etiquite the it works eaiser if the person PM's there addy to the person behind them. So 1 would give addy to the Seeder then 2 Pm to one, 3 Pm to 2 and so on. Make sense?

BTW would that show be the "White Summer" Bootleg? RECORDED LIVE ON THE BBC AT THE PLAYHOUSE THEATER LONDON, ENGLAND
6/27/69

SETLIST;

1. COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN
2. I CAN'T QUIT YOU BABY
3. DAZED AND CONFUSED
4. WHITE SUMMER
5. YOU SHOOK ME
6. HOW MANY MORE TIMES

[Pauly]

Heiny i also have these shows

4-27-69
Fillmore West
D1: Train Kept A Rollin', I Can't Quit You Baby, As Long As I Have You Medley, You Shook Me, How Many More Times Medley*, Communication Breakdown
D2: Killing Floor (includes: Sweet Jelly Roll), Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, White Summer/Black Mountain Side, Sitting and Thinking, Pat's Delight, Dazed and Confused
*Contains "Bolero," "Oh Rosie >The Hunter" "(Here We Go 'Round) The Mulberry Bush."

-and-

9-4-70
LA Forum
D1: Immigrant Song, Heartbreaker, Dazed And Confused, Bring It On Home, That's The Way, Bron-Yr-Aur, Since I've Been Loving You, Organ Solo->Thank You
D2: What Is And What Should Never Be, Moby Dick, Whole Lotta Love (Medley), Communication Breakdown->Good Times Bad Times->For What It's Worth->I Saw Her Standing There, Out On The Tiles, Blueberry Hill

RAW and kick ass :)

[heiney9]

Thanks for the input Spacticpit bull.

spasicpitbull wrote:

BTW would that show be the "White Summer" Bootleg? RECORDED LIVE ON THE BBC AT THE PLAYHOUSE THEATER LONDON, ENGLAND
6/27/69

SETLIST;

1. COMMUNICATION BREAKDOWN
2. I CAN'T QUIT YOU BABY
3. DAZED AND CONFUSED
4. WHITE SUMMER
5. YOU SHOOK ME
6. HOW MANY MORE TIMES

Not sure what you mean spasticpitbull. You say "would that show be...." What remark of mine in an earlier post is this in regards to? This 6/27/69 show is the one released on the official release "BBC Sessions". The official "BBC" release is incomplete as far the_whole_ BBC recordings are concerned. Not by much but incomplete nonetheless.

And yes I do have this recording. The best recording of this show outside of the official release is a Japanese version called "BBC Transcription Service" Same set list but it includes commentary from the MC and during a break there is a sketch comedy routine called "Liverpool Sound Sketch" which is included. Not too funny, but part of the original BBC Radio broadcast, FWIW

H9

[heiney9]

I apologize up front if I get a bit over enthusiastic about Led Zeppelin. They have been by far my favorite group since the late 70’s. These recordings only solidify the greatness of these four musicians. As a live band LZ were unsurpassed in spontaneity and improvisation. They were not afraid to take risks on stage, musically. Sometimes this was amazingly successful, other times it didn’t work out so well. What’s evident in the music is the passion. The studio releases were about perfection and structure. The live shows were about passion and experimentation. In fact in the early days when LZ was an opening band many groups refused to follow them, they were that good even though they had only been together a very short time.

Some of my favorite shows are from 1969, when the band was fresh, young and hungry to make their mark on the music scene. As most fans know LZ was a band that was constantly in transition, never trying to stay in one place musically. That’s what makes them so unique. 1969 is just the starting point for an amazing journey. Admittedly, some of the 1969 recordings in general are lesser quality than subsequent years. However, IMO they are some of the most exciting, raw, over the top performances of any group.

I’m not sure how much experience any of you have had w/ these types of recordings. SQ on some is excellent, some are very good and a few are marginal. The marginal ones are included because the performance of the band far surpasses the marginal SQ. These will either be your cup of tea or, you may say WTF, this sounds like crap. Either way, remember the spirit in which these were offered. If it turns out they aren’t to your liking just package them up and send them on to the next person. The idea is to share the music. I want feedback, but please try not to be too negative. It’s only costing you some postage a few $0.39 blank discs to try something different.

H9 :D

[faster100]

so when ya gonna start shipping these out? need any help? Thanks for doing this, cant wait to hear them..

[ND13]

H9,

Have you read "Hammer of the Gods", yet? If you haven't, I say it's mandatory for any "real" Zeppelin fan and you must or be banned from the "CLUB";) :D.

For any of you that haven't had the chance to read HOTG, I highly recommend doing so while listening to the studio recordings. It was very informative in that you know what was happening at the time and explains the who,what,when,where and whys. I listened to each cd, while I was on the particular section/chapter that corresponded. By doing so, I read the entire book in one sitting. I did the same on "Noone Here Gets Out Alive" and loved it also. For those who don't know the latter book is about Jim Morrison and the Doors.

[heiney9]

Originally posted by ND13
H9,

Have you read "Hammer of the Gods", yet? If you haven't, I say it's mandatory for any "real" Zeppelin fan and you must or be banned from the "CLUB";) :D.

For any of you that haven't had the chance to read HOTG, I highly recommend doing so while listening to the studio recordings. It was very informative in that you know what was happening at the time and explains the who,what,when,where and whys. I listened to each cd, while I was on the particular section/chapter that corresponded. By doing so, I read the entire book in one sitting. I did the same on "Noone Here Gets Out Alive" and loved it also. For those who don't know the latter book is about Jim Morrison and the Doors.

Yes, I have read it. It's a bit, shall we say, sensationalistic and self serving (for Richard Cole). It was basically written by Richard Cole their road manager. His recollection of events is what legends are made of; literally. He was so whacked out on smack most of the time, that he tends to spin tall tails. I'm sure many events in the book took place but I think, as many others do, they have been extremely sensationalized. The members of the band won't even discuss the book anymore. They say it's pure trash. No doubt LZ were a wild crew before it was cool to be wild. And many crude, over the top events took place, but not everything is as it was in the book. It just goes to show, don't believe everything you read. However, beyond the legendary stories it is pretty informative. There are better ones out there also.

There are plenty of other great books on LZ that explain why they are the greatest band of all time, of course, IMO.

H9

[ND13]

I didn't believe the "legends", knew about them well before reading the book. It helps explain about the music, the problems in their personal lifes(Plants wreck, son's death,etc). The red snapper event and crap like that wasn't what I was talking about.

Things like Bonham setting up double bass drums in the studio and when he would leave the room, they would take it out. He didn't need it, he could roll a bass drum with one foot. Little things like that, they bring you closer to the band, you could just see Bonham going balistic when he returned to the room, until Robert stroked his ego a little and reminded him that he's the best and didn't need gimmicks, just his uncanny timing and tree trunk sticks, etc, etc.

As far as historical accuracy????

[heiney9]

Originally posted by ND13
I didn't believe the "legends", knew about them well before reading the book. It helps explain about the music, the problems in their personal lifes(Plants wreck, son's death,etc). The red snapper event and crap like that wasn't what I was talking about.

Things like Bonham setting up double bass drums in the studio and when he would leave the room, they would take it out. He didn't need it, he could roll a bass drum with one foot. Little things like that, they bring you closer to the band, you could just see Bonham going balistic when he returned to the room, until Robert stroked his ego a little and reminded him that he's the best and didn't need gimmicks, just his uncanny timing and tree trunk sticks, etc, etc.

As far as historical accuracy????

Agree, absolutely. In that context it's a good book. I admit it's been 8-10 years since I read it.

H9

[ND13]

Originally posted by heiney9
Agree, absolutely. In that context it's a good book. I admit it's been 8-10 years since I read it.

H9

It's been since 1989 since I read it. What are some of the other LZ books you would recommend?

[heiney9]

Originally posted by ND13
It's been since 1989 since I read it. What are some of the other LZ books you would recommend?

Unfortunately, some of them are out of print. I’m at work and don’t have access to the titles. I’ll post some titles tonight. Who knows, I’m sure there are some used copies floating around somewhere on the Internet.

FYI, I’m almost ready to start shipping the first discs for the karma project. Details to follow in a couple days or so.

H9

[thehaens@cox.net]

I don't have a DVD-R so would have to get a CD-r.....once I get a set, will burn to Hard Drive and then copy the set, and send to two others? Is that how we are going to do this? Any way....I am still in....

scott

[heiney9]

I haven’t abandoned this little project. I have been getting my ass kicked at work, plus now the Holiday weekend, so I’ve just been too busy to give this proper attention. I don’t want to do it half-assed so I’ll be getting this done soon.

Thanks

H9

[ND13]

Originally posted by heiney9
I haven’t abandoned this little project. I have been getting my ass kicked at work, plus now the Holiday weekend, so I’ve just been too busy to give this proper attention. I don’t want to do it half-assed so I’ll be getting this done soon.

Thanks

H9

More excuses;) :D :D










Seriously, though I know what what you mean about work right now.

[Pauly]

Just got in Hammer of the Gods yesterday. Will be getting my read on soon.

[ND13]

Originally posted by spasticpitbull
Just got in Hammer of the Gods yesterday. Will be getting my read on soon.

I suggest that if you own all the studio albums, that you listen to them while you're in the corresponding chapters. That's the way I read it the first time and I read it in one sitting. It took about as long as it takes to listen to them all. I really enjoyed the book, but as a couple have pointed out, take a lot of the "legend" shit with a grain of salt.

Enjoy,

Noel

BTW, there will be a book report due by July 5th.:D

[gmorris]

I'm in, I'm in!!!

Is it really illegal to trade/copy something that isn't really legal to begin with?

I'm in, I'm in!!!

[Pauly]

Originally posted by ND13
I suggest that if you own all the studio albums, that you listen to them while you're in the corresponding chapters. That's the way I read it the first time and I read it in one sitting. It took about as long as it takes to listen to them all. I really enjoyed the book, but as a couple have pointed out, take a lot of the "legend" shit with a grain of salt.

Enjoy,

Noel

BTW, there will be a book report due by July 5th.:D

Got all the studio shit plus some "other" shit. And its the holiday weekend starting now. So no book report for at least 2 weeks :)

[Pauly]

Still reading the book but WTF is going on with this. Heiny send me a copy and i'll get it started. I already know exactly what to do. PM me bro. Would love to have a copy.

Pauly

[ND13]

Still reading the book but WTF is going on with this. Heiny send me a copy and i'll get it started. I already know exactly what to do. PM me bro. Would love to have a copy.

Pauly

Are you reading it while listening to the corresponding album or just reading it?

Where are you in the book? What do you think so far?

[george daniel]

I'm IN

[Pauly]

Are you reading it while listening to the corresponding album or just reading it?

Where are you in the book? What do you think so far?

Just casually reading from here to here. Havent gotten knee deep since its hard with a family and job and day to day stuff. But i have a feeling i will read it over and over again. Good so far but taking it with a grain of salt.

[sda2mike]

count me in!!

[heiney9]

Well another Friday off and I hope to get this finished up this weekend. Here are some more details and more will follow. This should get you salivating again.

I will be making 2 sets of discs (10 discs total) and sending them out to 2 people who will in turn send to the next person....etc on down the line. Those of you without burning capablility I will be making a set(s) for you as well. How many over the border (Canadians) do we have who want to participate? Not sure what postage will be or how customs is these days. Maybe I could get some help on this. I'm not sure how many don't have burning capability, so not sure how many other sets I have to make and send.

If I could get both the Canadian's who want to participate and the non-burning people to just post a note in the thread so I have an idea of how many more sets need to be made. Then maybe I can get some help if it turns out to be too many. Sound good?? :D
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The first offering is 5 discs worth of material from 1969 Jan-August (The Early Days. Literally)

I apologize up front if I get a bit over enthusiastic about Led Zeppelin. They have been by far my favorite group since the late 70’s. These recordings only solidify the greatness of these four musicians. As a live band LZ were unsurpassed in spontaneity and improvisation. They were not afraid to take risks on stage, musically. Sometimes this was amazingly successful, other times it didn’t work out so well. What’s evident in the music is the passion. The studio releases were about perfection and structure. The live shows were about passion and experimentation. In fact in the early days when LZ was an opening band many groups refused to follow them, they were that good even though they had only been together a very short time.

I’m not sure how much experience any of you have had w/ these types of recordings. Very few if any will be like commercially available recordings. Generally the earlier the recording the more marginal, as recording equipment gets better so do the recordings. Also remember Peter Grant (LZ manger) was absolutely against anyone recording Zep w/o permission and took great lengths to make sure it didn’t happen (a lot of good that did) so because of this some of the recordings aren’t as good as they could have been. SQ on some is excellent, some are very good and a few are marginal. Too bad LZ concerts weren’t as well documented as Hendrix was. The marginal ones are included because the performance of the band far surpasses the marginal SQ.

These will either be your cup of tea or, you may say WTF, this sounds like crap. Either way, remember the spirit in which these were offered. If it turns out they aren’t to your liking just package them up and send them on to the next person. The idea is to share the music. I want feedback, but please try not to be too negative. It’s only costing you some postage a few $0.39 blank discs to try something different. Thoughtful, honest, articulate criticism is always welcome.

Also if these don’t appeal to you for sonic reasons… I assure you the later shows are much better quality so don’t give up based solely on these first offerings. You should also avoid listening to these on super high resolution systems as you may become disappointed (discs 3-5 are not too bad). These are what they are….in most cases Amateur recordings. FWIW, trying not get expectations too high, maybe you’ll be pleasantly surprised.

NOTE: I would prefer that the “seed” gets passed on and not a copy of the “seed”. I have made sure that there are no “artifacts” on the “seed” recordings. Sometimes copies made incorrectly can introduce these “artifacts” onto the discs and I want to avoid this so the next person can get a “clean” copy.

Set lists and an in depth analysis of each performance to come shortly. The first offering is 5 discs worth of material from 1969.

[Pauly]

Burning Capability

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[Pauly]

Heiny9 one quick question are these going to be .wav or are you doing Flac or shn lossless format?

Pauly

[ND13]

Brock,

I can burn to cd or dvd, so send 'em my way and I can burn some extras for whoever.

[heiney9]

Heiny9 one quick question are these going to be .wav or are you doing Flac or shn lossless format?

Pauly

Since most who want copies are all over the board as far as a learning curve for this kind of thing I'm just going to be burning it in .WAV format. Not everyone has the tools/know how to use the other formats. Trying to keep it simple.

So many good shows. Very hard to pare it down to a few key performances (and this is just for 1969). Sorry spasticpitbull, but when you see the set list (which I will probably post tomorrow) you already have one of the shows this time around. Actually I may bump this 1st installment to 6 discs as I found another show with excellent SQ. It never ends, I'd love to share every single one but that's not possible. :)

Stay tuned.....

[Pauly]

Thats ok i'll take whatever i dont have....

[Pauly]

I have the 6-27-69 White Summer and
4-27-69 Fillmore West
D1: Train Kept A Rollin', I Can't Quit You Baby, As Long As I Have You Medley, You Shook Me, How Many More Times Medley*, Communication Breakdown
D2: Killing Floor (includes: Sweet Jelly Roll), Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, White Summer/Black Mountain Side, Sitting and Thinking, Pat's Delight, Dazed and Confused
*Contains "Bolero," "Oh Rosie >The Hunter" "(Here We Go 'Round) The Mulberry Bush."

-and-

9-4-70
LA Forum
D1: Immigrant Song, Heartbreaker, Dazed And Confused, Bring It On Home, That's The Way, Bron-Yr-Aur, Since I've Been Loving You, Organ Solo->Thank You
D2: What Is And What Should Never Be, Moby Dick, Whole Lotta Love (Medley), Communication Breakdown->Good Times Bad Times->For What It's Worth->I Saw Her Standing There, Out On The Tiles, Blueberry Hill

Any on those in there too?

Pauly

[heiney9]

4-27-69 Fillmore West
D1: Train Kept A Rollin', I Can't Quit You Baby, As Long As I Have You Medley, You Shook Me, How Many More Times Medley*, Communication Breakdown
D2: Killing Floor (includes: Sweet Jelly Roll), Babe I'm Gonna Leave You, White Summer/Black Mountain Side, Sitting and Thinking, Pat's Delight, Dazed and Confused
*Contains "Bolero," "Oh Rosie >The Hunter" "(Here We Go 'Round) The Mulberry Bush."

Pauly

This one is included. Depending on which version you have. There are several which have varying completeness and SQ. Looks like about the same set list although these recordings were known to be mis-labled all the time. For this show there is a SB quality version, a so so audience version, and a very good audinece version. None by themselves is complete. So they might both be slightly different and my version may compliment your version or it maybe the same.

FWIW

Brock

[michael_w]

Cool. We can finally start to get the ball rolling on this one. My thoughts on this were that the seeds could go around to the people in the US first then once everyone has had their turn with them down there they can be shipped up to canada and passed around up here. I'm thinking this would work best because it might cut down shipping costs but I'm more worried about how many times they would have to cross the border and the extra border delays associated with that. btw I live in canada and I'm interested. Anyone have an idea what shipping on 5 or 6 cd's will be and how to ship them?

Thanks again for offering this.

[ND13]

It won't be too bad and just put them in a bubble envelope that can be bought at the PO for a couple of bucks. We don't need to ship them in jewel cases, just some cd sleeves.

[beardog03]

I dig zep...

I would like to partake in the festivities...!!


John Bonham....John Henry Bonham..!!

yea baby..!!

[heiney9]

I know some people are getting organized for Polk Fest which is quickly approaching. This is the list I’ve compiled so far for those who are/were interested. If you are still interested do nothing. If you’ve decided to drop-out; post to this thread so I can take you off the list. If you are not on the list and want to be on the list post to this thread and I’ll add you. If you can’t reply until after Polk Fest no problem this thread will still be here. I’ll wait until after Polk Fest to start sending discs. This is going to be just like the cable swap program. I’ll send the “seeds” to a few they will burn their copies and send them on to the next person. I’ll post the tree shortly after I confirm all those who still want in.

Those of you w/o burning capability (I need to know-so far only Toxis) will be taken care of also.

Currently I have picked all shows and am ready to burn with the exception of one which needs to be ripped and track indexes added. It was recorded to cd as 1 continuous track, a real pain in the ass, damn bootleggers! As a side note, said cd has the wrong show date and includes photos from the Knebworth show in 1979 when this show is actually from 1969, real intelligent!

The following attachments can be viewed using MS Word. The first attachment is the set list/date information. The second is an in-depth commentary on each show and provides great insight into the development of the band, the music, and its place during that point in time. I encourage all to print it out and read along as you listen to these remarkable recordings. If you have problems viewing the attachments let me know, maybe I can post a text version or e-mail it to you.

Here are the participants so far….if I’ve missed anyone let me know.

F1Nut
ND13
Faster100
Toxis
Gregure (are you still in)
PolkThug
Willow
Jgido759
Spawndn72
Thehaens@cox
DagLJam6
Mazeroth
Roy Munson
Petrym
Michael_W
Spasticpitbull
Gmorris
George Daniel
SDA2Mike
Beardog03
Schwarcw

Giddy-Up everyone....this is fun :D

Brock

[ND13]

I have a feeling that the list will be growing very soon. :p

[schwarcw]

Put me on the list!

[heiney9]

Put me on the list!

You've been added.

[heiney9]

Ok this is just about ready to go....I know I've said that before, but really it is.

Here's what I have so far:

(2) Canadians
(1) w/o burning capabilities.

If this is incorrect let me know right away.

There are 6 discs included this time. I have come up w/ a "tree" showing who gets it first and then who they forward it to and who the next one forward's to....etc. My question, is there anyone here who WOULD NOT want to burn an extra copy to forward (12 discs)? If each person is willing to burn 1 additional copy other than their own we could cut the distribution time in half. You'd be sending the "seed" and then an additional burned copy and of course keeping a burned copy for yourself. I completely understand if that is too time consuming/cost prohibitive. If you don't want to post your concerns here please PM me and I will keep it private.

Right now if everyone just keeps forwarding the "seeds" it's 6 persons deep. I'll be providing 3 "seeds" to start it out. Reasonable turn around is about a week so the last person is about 7 weeks or more from getting a copy. If people agree to burn/distribute an extra copy this would shorten it to about 3-4 weeks. Maybe when all said and done each person may have incurred about $10-12 shipping and buying discs if we double up.

I want this to be a Karma item so no selling/sending money to anyone. I can do this either way. I just didn't want to assume everyone was willing to make an extra 6 discs w/o at least putting it out for discussion.

I am leaving in about 30 minutes to go visit a sick relative out of town( 1 hr away) and won't be back until later this evening. So fire away with idea's and hopefully I can start "Seeding" by Wed or Thur. I'm really trying to keep this as uncompilcated as possible.

H9

[faster100]

I dunno, but i want in and can burn disks.. i have plenty of blanks and cdr/dvd-r capability.. lets get this show on the road. :D

[ND13]

Brock,

I'll burn 2 copies of each if that will help speed up the process. Any recommendation on a particular brand of cd or dvd to be used? Is there really any diference between brands? Are we doing cds or dvds?

[beardog03]

I would like to get in on this..