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Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 10:42 PM
Second of all, here's this new Batman movie. I want to like this. I want to be a part of this. Batman is frigging cool! No super powers, just an angry guy, all effed up in the head! A vigilante bent on revenge! Dark, sinister! That's cool. But, oh, I think this franchise needs to go away for about 20 years.

The reviewer in the NYT said, "What Mr. Keaton couldn't bring to the role, and what Mr. Bale conveys effortlessly, is Bruce Wayne's air of casual entitlement, the aristocratic hauteur that is the necessary complement of Batman's obsessive megalomania."

He's wrong, man. Don't fall for it. Arrogance isn't Bruce Wayne's driving force. That would make him a Howard Hughes-type character. Any comic book reader worth his newsprint knows he's not. (That kind of character is much more like Tony Stark/Iron Man, who Stan Lee directly based upon Hughes.)

What drives Bruce Wayne is that he WAS raised in that world of "casual entitlement" until it was forever shattered by the murder of his parents. Wayne from that point on became obsessed with impossible revenge and THAT drove him to be Batman. He chose a bat as his symbol because he wanted to drive the same terror that he felt into the hearts of criminals. The earliest Batman actually KILLED criminals! But it's more than enough that Bruce Wayne seeks to SCARE them to death.

There is something vampiric about Batman (and I believe that the first 90 minutes of the first BLADE movie are probably the best Batman movie yet made). But that's not really who Bruce Wayne is. Dracula (I mean, the real Dracula, in the Stoker novel) feels haughtily entitled to murder because he knows that he is completely superior to humans. That's great. But that is NOT who Bruce Wayne is.

Bruce Wayne is obsessed with avenging his parents' murder, but that he can never do that is what tortures him. (This is why he and Superman share some sympatico, but are like the dark and light sides of the same coin. Superman is an interesting character because the torture he feels is that despite his almost unimaginable powers, he can do nothing to change the past and save his parents and his planet from doom. He's practically a walking god, and it means NOTHING to him personally. He's born defeated!) However, the great difference between Superman and Batman is that Superman feels defeated by a completely NEUTRAL force of fate. Nobody chose to destroy Krypton. It was just a natural occurence. So, it's far easier for Superman to channel his personal sense of tortured defeat into a healthy sense of caring for human beings. "If I can't save my home planet, then at least I can save my adopted planet."

Batman is different. He feels defeated by a force of EVIL that resides in the CHOICE any human being can make. Fate didn't take his parents away, like they did Superman's. Some scum bag one evil night CHOSE to kill them. So, Bruce Wayne decided to fight fire with fire, and that's another difference with Superman. It is that Batman makes a choice to plunge right into the deepest pool of evil and work some kind of societal redemption from within. Superman works social redemption from the outside -- he always remains untouched because he fights fate not human choice. But Batman always risks becoming what he battles because he too CHOSE to fight. He wasn't BORN with a gift of power like Superman.

But it seems all of this has been lost on the makers of the current movie. Makes the casting of Michael Keaton seem like a masterstroke, don't it? He did a darned good job of conveying this element of Bruce Wayne's personality -- the way Wayne was not himself when he was himself, but could only be himself as the Batman. I miss Michael Keaton.

Gary Oldman as Comissioner Gordon is bad casting.

"The weakest link of all is Katie Holmes," the NYT reviewer continues, "as Rachel Dawes. Part of the problem is that this is a man's world - at least it will be until Catwoman shows up in a couple of episodes - so her role is underdeveloped, and part of the problem is the casting itself. It is simply too difficult to accept the former 'Dawson's Creek' star, with her exceedingly youthful good looks and little-girl voice, as a tough-as-nails assistant district attorney who represents one of the last bastions of morality in this decaying urban cesspool."

Why would this surprise anybody? Such bad casting.

And Michael Caine as Alfred the butler is BAD casting too. First, I'm sick to death of Caine. He's a caricature by now. Second, he's way too old for the part. Third, he's a scene-chewing ham of the first degree. Fourth, blah.

And why have Morgan Freeman in this? As a Q type of character! Huh? This is moronic. I'm sick of Morgan Freeman too. Wise old black man, wise old black man, wise old black man. Sheesh! Isn't HE sick of those roles already?!?

And wasn't Liam Neeson DARKMAN? That's a better Batman movie than any Batman movie!

I'm avoiding this stinker-oo.

Yep, I'm back. Same Bat Channel!

MC

RuSsMaN
06-15-2005, 10:53 PM
Eloquent.

Nice to have our 'writer' back. I love you Micah.

XOXOXO,
Russ

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
No, I love YOU, Russ.

Kisses! :D

MC

dorokusai
06-15-2005, 10:54 PM
Nice to see you again Micah! Let's get together again, drink some beer and hand out politically incorrect, yet wise bumper stickers :)

I'm just going to wait for this on video, like everything else.

Hollywood is doing to much bandwagon "superhero" stuff....the Fantastic Four better be F'n good is all I have to say.

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 10:57 PM
Oh god, don't get me started. The FF is going to suck with a capital "s." Ben Grimm, man! That fat guy from that cop TV show? No way.

How is it that I know it's going to suck, I'd bet money on it, and the thing isn't even out of production yet?

I'm a genius, that's why.

Now, why does my "signature" not show up on these posts? WTF? JUSTIN!

MC

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 10:58 PM
Where's m'darned signature? I searched all over the net for that great quote!

MC

VR3
06-15-2005, 11:01 PM
Signature only shows up one time per page for each thread...

Now that I said that...

All I gotta say is, HELL YES, welcome back!

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 11:05 PM
Wha? I want my signature, ALL THE TIME! I paid for that signature, I want to see it all the darned time! Every darned post!

I'm back, darn it, and I want my signature!

:(

Darned super hero movies suck. :mad:

MC

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 11:07 PM
By the way, I drink pretty regular like upstairs at Max's on Thursday nights, bout 8:30 or so -- it's http://www.quizamajig.com/

Everybody better show up, cause it's deadly boring without ya.

MC

TroyD
06-15-2005, 11:11 PM
She's into malakas, Dino.

GREATNESS

BDT

TroyD
06-15-2005, 11:17 PM
That said, now that I think back on all the super hero comic books of the past, they were all dark, flawed individuals.....film noir in print as it were. Today's comics suck. Period.

Micah's back....YAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY !!

BDT

Zero
06-15-2005, 11:27 PM
Some things never change.

The past decade of super hero movies suck and Micah is a discontent wild haired troll! All in good times!

Good to see your mug around here.

Cheers,

Sean

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 11:35 PM
Was even SPIDERMAN a good movie?

The Upside Down Kiss scene was great, classic. The ending was superb. But the movie... Eh. And the second one... Did anyone feel a bit let down? I did.

Say what you will, and you will, but the original SUPERMAN, with Christopher Reeve, is still the best super hero movie of them all. Time to watch it again. (Great DVD, too!)

MC

RuSsMaN
06-15-2005, 11:40 PM
There was a second one?

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 11:42 PM
There's a second everything, isn't there?

And it always SUCKS.

Except for once. Once, it didn't suck.

Name the once.

MC

[witty signature here]

RuSsMaN
06-15-2005, 11:44 PM
T2

[insert funny one liner here]

TroyD
06-15-2005, 11:47 PM
Spiderman? Toby Whatshisname and Kirsten not so hot Dunst?

Eh, whatever. Decent entertainment at best.


BDT

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 11:48 PM
It sucked man [T2]. You were snookered by the effects.

First one's way better.

Only one "second" was great. Only one.

"I don't feel I have to wipe everybody out. Just my enemies."

MC

[signature, NOT!]

RuSsMaN
06-15-2005, 11:49 PM
Decent entertainment?

You can get a Hustler instead of that rental fee. THAT is decent enterainment.

Micah Cohen
06-15-2005, 11:54 PM
You know what I missed about this forum?

The little angry-face smilie. :mad:

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

He's so me. I love him. I feel like him all the time.

:mad:

:D

MC

[:mad: that i have no signature]

RuSsMaN
06-16-2005, 12:04 AM
Of course I was snookered by the effects. That, and the fact that Linda Hamilton could kick my ass before, during, and after our 'session' together.

Enjoy the (anti) smiley. At least no one is still saying 'I got my _b_l_a_n_k_ on." anymore.

Micah Cohen
06-16-2005, 12:07 AM
Yeah, you guys beat that into the ground, didn't you?

Glad to see you've moved on.

Where are the hot chicks on this forum? Any? Yoo-hoo! Hello?

MC

F1nut
06-16-2005, 12:26 AM
The second one......The Hobbit Pimp Returns. :D

TroyD
06-16-2005, 01:10 AM
Here is my thing about current cinema......I'll grant that there are some entertaining movies out there, however, I'm still stuck on the Aviator. How could anyone like this movie? It made Howard and especially Katherine Hepburn into caricatures. It was AWFUL.

BDT

George Grand
06-16-2005, 07:09 AM
Welcome back headcase.

George

Micah Cohen
06-16-2005, 08:25 AM
DOCTOR GRAND! Yee-haw!

Ah, why even bother with THE AVIATOR? I mean, Scorcese has not made a good movie since GOODFELLAS, and where do you go from there? (Down, that's where.) Scorcese is like Woody Allen, just "finished" as an artist.

I heard my sweet honey Kate Beckinsale was in THE AVIATOR. But, I'm not seeing it. What's the point?

So, let go of your anger about THE AVIATOR. Acknowledge that it sucks, and then ignore it. That's how I do it. I merely IGNORE stuff that doesn't make any sense to me.

MC

Kenneth Swauger
06-16-2005, 10:58 AM
Hey Micah!
Welcome back!

Micah Cohen
06-16-2005, 11:26 AM
YEH! KEN! I miss you! Chet misses you!

And I miss my post signature... :(

MC

McLoki
06-16-2005, 10:03 PM
Originally posted by Micah Cohen
There's a second everything, isn't there?

And it always SUCKS.

Except for once. Once, it didn't suck.

Name the once.

MC

[witty signature here]

I have not read the rest of this thread yet (so I don't know if you already got an answer), but for my vote the one that didn't suck (and was much better than the first) had to be X-Men 2.

Michael

Edit - granted this could be because X-Men 1 sucked so bad, but 2 is still better.....

MacLeod
06-16-2005, 10:12 PM
I thought both Spidermans kicked ass. I thought Toby Macgwire was perfect as a nerdy Peter Parker. I agree tho that they couldve done better than Kirsten Dunce. She aint hot at all. I dont get why shes popular with her snaggletoothed ass! :confused:

Michael Keaton was an awesome Batman. If hed been 6 inches taller hed have been perfect. Im still holding out hope that Batman Begins is going to be good althought I dont understand why Oldman and Caine are cast as they are. I actually thought the Gordon and Alfred in the Keaton movies were about right.

Superman I and II with Reeves are standard bearers for superhero movies.

As far as FF goes, give Chiklis a chance. I like him in The Shield and think hes a very good actor. He could pull off Grimm.

DarqueKnight
06-16-2005, 11:43 PM
I always thought that Steven Segall would have been great as Batman. Of course, this was before he gained 400 pounds.

Micah Cohen
06-17-2005, 12:14 AM
Ah, it's GODFATHER II.

MC

aaharvel
06-22-2005, 07:29 PM
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Micah Cohen

Say what you will, and you will, but the original SUPERMAN, with Christopher Reeve, is still the best super hero movie of them all. Time to watch it again. (Great DVD, too!)

MC




damn skippy.

TroyD
06-22-2005, 08:51 PM
Christopher Reeve was GAY

BDT

aaharvel
06-22-2005, 08:54 PM
not bad then for a GAY guy to have such a nice-looking wife and two kids.

TroyD
06-22-2005, 09:20 PM
Originally posted by aaharvel
not bad then for a GAY guy to have such a nice-looking wife and two kids.

All done with mirrors. :D

BDT

ND13
06-22-2005, 10:04 PM
Originally posted by TroyD
All done with mirrors. :D

BDT

Don't forget the smoke.

I thought Tom Cruise was GAY;) and he had a hottie wife and girlfriends.:D

RuSsMaN
06-22-2005, 10:21 PM
Everything Is Gay (http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-7.htm)

Micah Cohen
06-22-2005, 10:38 PM
Wow. You know what? Everything is gay. I totally agree with everything that kid said.

Serious.

That cracked me right up.

Give that kid a grammy. :D

MC

Demiurge
06-23-2005, 12:57 AM
What's even more amusing is that ***kid*** is actually 30 years old.

He's been on Leno a number of times.

aaharvel
06-23-2005, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by TroyD
All done with mirrors. :D

BDT



LOL

bknauss
06-23-2005, 11:30 AM
Originally posted by MacLeod
I thought both Spidermans kicked ass. I thought Toby Macgwire was perfect as a nerdy Peter Parker. I agree tho that they couldve done better than Kirsten Dunce. She aint hot at all. I dont get why shes popular with her snaggletoothed ass! :confused:


Gotta disagree Mac. I hate Toby. "Hi, I'm Toby, let me talk in this lame monotone voice all the time. Let me be monotone when my uncle is killed. Let me be monotone while I'm threatening the Green Goblin". Although he looks the part extremely well, he can't act worth a lick. He was perfect for Smallville though...

As for the Spiderman movies, I liked the second one hands down over the first. The first seemed too corny... and the second one was also, but it was a bit more edgy.

And the incredibles is much better of a superhero movie than either one of those!!!

ND13
06-23-2005, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by RuSsMaN
Everything Is Gay (http://www.lookatentertainment.com/v/v-7.htm)

That must be from that library of disturbing shit you said you had.

Their is some validity in his lyrics; The Bucs are gay!!:D

ND13
06-23-2005, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by bknauss
Gotta disagree Mac. I hate Toby. "Hi, I'm Toby, let me talk in this lame monotone voice all the time. Let me be monotone when my uncle is killed. Let me be monotone while I'm threatening the Green Goblin". Although he looks the part extremely well, he can't act worth a lick. He was perfect for Smallville though...

As for the Spiderman movies, I liked the second one hands down over the first. The first seemed too corny... and the second one was also, but it was a bit more edgy.

And the incredibles is much better of a superhero movie than either one of those!!!

Check out the movie "The Ice Storm". He doesn't have the biggest part, but does a fine job. I think they nailed Peter Parker very well with Maguire.

Ron-P
06-23-2005, 01:56 PM
Hey everyone...

gregure
06-24-2005, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by Micah Cohen
It sucked man [T2]. You were snookered by the effects.

First one's way better.

Only one "second" was great. Only one.

"I don't feel I have to wipe everybody out. Just my enemies."

MC

[signature, NOT!]

While I agree that Godfather II is still the best better sequel, there are others in my opinion.
Aliens was better than Alien
X2 was better than X-Men
There's more, but it's late, and I'm tired.

Micah Cohen
06-24-2005, 02:45 PM
Aliens was better than Alien

Not only is it late and you're tired, but you're also delirious.

ALIEN is a masterpiece, a nearly perfect film, the very definition of "masterpiece." The sequels are not.

Easy call on that one. The others, who cares? A sequel that's better than a crappy movie is still a crappy movie, you know?

MC

ND13
06-24-2005, 02:46 PM
Originally posted by Micah Cohen
Not only is it late and you're tired, but you're also delirious.

ALIEN is a masterpiece, a nearly perfect film, the very definition of "masterpiece." The sequels are not.

Easy call on that one. The others, who cares? A sequel that's better than a crappy movie is still a crappy movie, you know?

MC

But wait, what about "Scary Movie 2 and 3", aren't those materpieces?;) :D

Ron-P
06-24-2005, 05:16 PM
ALIEN is a masterpiece, a nearly perfect film, the very definition of "masterpiece." The sequels are not.
I could not agree more with my friend socks here. Alien ranks as one of the best sci-fi / horrer films of all time, Aliens was a fun romp but nothing like the original.

Micah Cohen
06-24-2005, 09:58 PM
Space man! I will hoist a few this week in your honor -- every time I hoist one I think, "I'd drink this with Ron-P, if he were in Baltimore... And if he were buying... etc." -- and be back after The Fourth with more fun posts.

You've been warned.

Stay awake out there. Try your best to be interesting while I'm gone. I know it's tough.

Now I gotta go give my back a pre-beach shave. :mad:

MC!

Ron-P
01-22-2011, 01:54 PM
Let's get back to this bad Bat casting, Bale as Batman = stinker. The more I 'try' and watch these films, the less and less I find myself being able to sit though them. Too long, too boring and bad bat casting.

MuuuuuuuHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!