i wouldn't give you fiddy cent for this

[Micah Cohen]

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Meanwhile, rapper 50 Cent has pulled out of the Live 8 concert in Philadelphia because of a scheduling conflict with his new movie.
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Oh well, then I'm not going! So there!

:mad: (:rolleyes: )

MC

[ND13]

I wonder if I let someone shoot me in the leg a few times, then showed the scars to anyone that would look, then made up a few rhymes if I could sell a couple million cd's. Probably not, seeing that I'm a whiteboy from the South. It just goes to show that if Dr Dre produces the cd, then the wantabes will flock to the stores in droves to buy more crap.

You have to give it to Dre, though, he knows what to push onto the mindless youth of America and the rest of the world. I'm not much of a rap/hiphop fan, but I do know that 50 cent has about as much talent as I do.

[swerve]

Originally posted by ND13
I wonder if I let someone shoot me in the leg a few times, then showed the scars to anyone that would look, then made up a few rhymes if I could sell a couple million cd's. Probably not, seeing that I'm a whiteboy from the South. It just goes to show that if Dr Dre produces the cd, then the wantabes will flock to the stores in droves to buy more crap.

You have to give it to Dre, though, he knows what to push onto the mindless youth of America and the rest of the world. I'm not much of a rap/hiphop fan, but I do know that 50 cent has about as much talent as I do. i remember when Dre admitted he can't even play an instrument... lol sigh.....

[MacLeod]

Well that doesnt matter since this shit IS NOT MUSIC!!!!

However I do like Dre, Ice Cube and the NWA gang a lot. They were the ones that started this and I have to admit I owned 'Straight Outta Compton' back in the 90's.

I worked in a restaurant with virtually all black dudes straight out of the worst neighborhood in Chattanooga and became good friends with a couple. Even took my lilly white ass down in the "hood" a couple times with them and hung out all night drinking beer and playing Nintendo. Never once got shot at either!! Anyways, they turned me on to all the gangster rap when it first started coming out.

[ND13]

Yeah, I can listen to some of the rappers,Dre, Snoop, Cube, Pac, cause at least theres a melody. That's where Dre and Snoop have it all over the other wanabes. "The Chronic" was a good cd.
Another rap group I like alot is Digable Planets, they sample alot of old jazz greats like Miles and Bird. If you haven't ever heard their debut release I recommend at least giving it a listen. I could mail it to you if you don't want to go out and buy it??? Pretty good stuff for rap.

[Toxis]

50 cent? Who cares...

[dragon1952]

50 Cent....WTF! It's 50 freaking Cents you illiterate asshole! :rolleyes: The only time it's 'cent' is if it's one cent. That's probably all he had in his pocket (along with his gun) when he thought up the name. I don't understand these dumbasses. If you 'aks' me they all suck.

[ND13]

Originally posted by dragon1952
50 Cent....WTF! It's 50 freaking Cents you illiterate asshole! :rolleyes: The only time it's 'cent' is if it's one cent. That's probably all he had in his pocket (along with his gun) when he thought up the name. I don't understand these dumbasses. If you 'aks' me they all suck.

They don't want us to understand them. It gives them something they believe they can call there own. That's why the are extremely hesitant to accept white or other ethnicities rappers. Other than the Beasties and Eminem that is.

[Maurice]

I have to agree, 50 cent sucks bigtime. But Dre is no joke. I was a wannabe rapper in the mid 80's and Dre was our producer. Trust me, it was more than obvious even back then that Dre was going to make millions. The cat could pull a funky track out of his ass at will. Not just rap tracks either, check out work he's done with Michell'e and more recently Mary J. Bliege. Strong R&B hits with masterful tracks. Hell, anybody that can make Mary J sound good is a friggin genious cause she has NO VOCAL ABILITY. You 2 channel guys should listen to a few Dre tracks on those great rigs of yours, you will be astonished at the sonic presence and seperation. No producer in the music business today has an ear like Dre, not one!

[ND13]

Originally posted by Maurice
I have to agree, 50 cent sucks bigtime. But Dre is no joke. I was a wannabe rapper in the mid 80's and Dre was our producer. Trust me, it was more than obvious even back then that Dre was going to make millions. The cat could pull a funky track out of his ass at will. Not just rap tracks either, check out work he's done with Michell'e and more recently Mary J. Bliege. Strong R&B hits with masterful tracks. Hell, anybody that can make Mary J sound good is a friggin genious cause she has NO VOCAL ABILITY.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. But I kinda like Mary. There's just something about her voice I like. Dre is a genuis when it comes to this particular genre. Right up there with Russell Simmons. Notice too, that they are trying to distance themselves from the dark side of rap over the last few years. Both are well educated and articulate. The best move that Dre has ever made was leaving Death Row Records and starting Aftermath. He's on his way to billionaire status and if I'm not wrong I think Simmons is almost there now.

BTW, no offense was intended towards you at all when I said wanabes. Hopefully none was taken.

:)

[Maurice]

Dre has wanted to leave gangster rap alone for years, but thats what he's known for and his sales suffer when he strays. He is defenitely on his way to billionaire status. A single track from Dre will cost you a minimum 250k, and he's got artists lined up 3 yrs deep. But on a personal note, he's not at all the "image" that is portrayed on his music. Hell, neither was NWA. They came up with an image that had never been seen before and took it to the world, making millions in the process. And leaving Death Row saved his life cause Suge is a maniac. You cant give a "real" gangster a 100 million dollar company. If you do, you just created another Al Capone, and thats exactly what happened.
Its a shame they haven't followed up on that biggie murder cause its no secret what happened. But LAPD was too close to it. One of Death Rows security guys was Rapheal Perez, of the Rampart scandal. Another was the cop they caught robbing banks. Some real wicked sh*t!!!!:eek:

[ND13]

CORRUPTION at its best/worst. Suge Knight is a thug and no amount of money can change that. I'm really surprised that someone in prison hasn't waxed his ass yet. He is still in prison isn't he?

[swerve]

Dre is a genious... Death Row was not a good time for anyone despite some of the stuff that came off the label. NWA was something elseand really brought together a ton of rappers still in the industry (mainstream or underground).

rap was awesome until biggie left... but we all knew after tupac got murked biggie was knockin on heaven's door.

lol rap basically underwent a form of genocide when the east vs. west started... and now we are left with mainstream garbage.

Houston, Texas claims to be on the come up but it's a fad just like that ATL crap. But IF Houston, Texas does really blow... expect to see alot of Bun B (from UGK) and Chamillionaire. Then it'll be the midwests turn with artists out of Kansas City.

If Houston blows up that big that they get underground talent in the mainstream game... rap may have a decent ride for awhile longer.... but if not it's just going to get even more pop sounding...

-adam

[Maurice]

I think he's out, unless he's back in on another parole violation. He tries to keep a lower profile now because the DA has him on radar, plus he's got alot of dirt out there that he still hasn't been charged for.

Swerve,
I hope TX does blow up, its time for some new life in hip hop. As much as I love the music, I rarely listen anymore because it's so repetative. "My ice, my car, my ho, my gun" enough already. I want to hear true lyricists again. WHERE THE HELL IS RAKIM WHEN YOU NEED HIS ASS!!;)

[swerve]

he's most definately out...

he isn't high profile enough to gain media attention unless he is committing a crime or violating parole...

[ND13]

I know that the Planets have been around for a while and I don't even know if they've released a recent album, but there rap was about as different as it could/can get. Did you guys like their stuff?

[Maurice]

Digable Planets were pretty cool. Just didn't hear much from them after the first album. The jazz tracks were real nice.

[swerve]

well what i'm saying is i hope that Texas as a whole goes... because right now it's not looking too good since paul wall and mike jones are already out... but chamillionaire hasn't dropped yet.... and bun b hasn't dropped his little project yet...



as for fifty cents i'd pay 10 bucks for a seat close to the stage so i can throw a pop can or something at him

[ND13]

Originally posted by Maurice
Digable Planets were pretty cool. Just didn't hear much from them after the first album. The jazz tracks were real nice.

Their sophomore effort, can't recall the title, wasn't too bad but not as good as their first, but still better than most anything put out recently, save for a few standouts and I mean few.

[Micah Cohen]

You have to give it to Dre, though

However I do like Dre, Ice Cube and the NWA gang a lot.

Yeah, I can listen to some of the rappers

But Dre is no joke.

But I kinda like Mary

Dre is a genuis

rap was awesome until biggie left

its time for some new life in hip hop


Wow. This is like discussing nutrition in a McDonalds.

I just don't understand this stuff.

It's disco to me. And I'm not a dancer, you know?

No offense. :rolleyes:

MC

[Maurice]

No offence taken. Music is like anything else, different strokes for different folks. As far as Dre is concerned, if you can ignore the lyrical content and hear the music, you might be surprised at all the different musical influences present. Everything from rock, jazz, funk, a wide mix. Just a thought.

[Micah Cohen]

you might be surprised at all the different musical influences

Nothing surprises me.

Why not listen to the original music; the "influence"? I understand the use of bits and pieces of music to make "new music," I mean that's what Elvis did; that's what rock and roll is about. But, why not listen to the original music as opposed to a sampled bit of that original music. Or maybe, what I'm reacting against is the way the bit is used. (This is me electronically thinking aloud.) Maybe I like that Elvis -- or Deep Purple, for instance, in "Speed King" -- used INFLUENCES and not actual copies in order to create a new form, on the basis of the originals. I like what Jimmy Page did with earlier forms of music: electrified them, speeded them up, rewrote them. (I do deplore that it took him 20 years to acknowledge that he stole riffs from the great bluesmen.) I find it uninteresting that you'd use a patchwork of other, greater, already completely pieces of art, put them together in a "collage," and call it something else. This is editing, splicing, not really "playing music." Not learning the piece, bringing the notes inside you so you can then replay them adding your own spin. This is cutting-and-pasting completed material.

To me. I mean.

MC

[Maurice]

I agree with you. I dont care for alot of sampling and using other peoples music which alot of the less (or in some cases non) talented people do. Dre is a different type of producer. He's been doing original tracks for quite some time. But within the tracks he does, you can hear the influences from other artists and genres. Granted hip hop isnt for everyone, but I think many times it gets prejudged by folks who either dont like it or dont understand it. But to say its not music as some do, is the same thing that was said about rock & roll 50 years ago. When rock first hit, the previous generation gave it no credibility simply because it was different.

There is alot more to producing a hip hop track than beats and rhymes. Just like any other recording, it has to be engineered and mixed correctly, and at least for now, Dre has that market cornered regardless of the musics genre. I think one of the biggest areas of disagreement is caused by the cultural divide, which is understandable. Different cultures hear music in different ways. As a black man, I really cant get with much rock and roll because of the lack of rhythm, IMO. But because I dont care for it, doesnt mean its not a legitimate music form, its just not my thing. Either way, makes for an interesting discussion.;)

[Zero]

Every genre has a rhythm. Hip hop, R&B and even gospel all sport a well defined and easy to follow 'beat'. Yes I know, being Mr. Obvious here. :)

Dr. Dre certainly has my respect. He is a man I would love to meet and perhaps vibe with in the studio.

Lastly, and I simply cannot resist; A black man named Maurice. Priceless. :)

[TroyD]

Micah, nail, head, hit....that whole thing.

I don't see how much genious it takes to re-mix an already established song.

Now, one COULD argue that the different renderings of classical pieces could be contrued as the same thing but I disagree. I've go, oh, five or six different pressings of Beethoven's 5th. None of them are the same. The are all good and all different depending on the orchestra and conductor.

I stop short in saying that there is no 'art' to hip-hop. I get it, I just find it largely devoid of much, for lack of a better term, artistic merit.

Oh, and the recording quality generally sucks as well.

BDT

[Maurice]

A black man named Maurice, priceless. Thats pretty good Zero.:D

Troy, when I talk about recording quality, I'm not talking about hip hop in general, I'm talking about Dr. Dre specifically. Most rap recordings are lousy, but Dre has been a standout for years in that area. Even Quincy Jones, who is undoubtedly one of the best producers in history, has given Dre credit for being one of if not the best producer to emerge in the last 25 years. If you want to know what I'm talking about, listen to Dre's two solo albums. Ignore the lyrical content, and listen to the tracks, the sonic presence and seperation is unrivaled. And you will be hard pressed to find any samples in his best tracks. P Diddy is the sample king, Dre is a producer. I'm not just repeating what I've heard, I've been in the studio with him. But again, to each his own.;)

[swerve]

Originally posted by Maurice
Thats pretty good Zero.:D

Troy, when I talk about recording quality, I'm not talking about hip hop in general, I'm talking about Dr. Dre specifically. Most rap recordings are lousy, but Dre has been a standout for years in that area. Even Quincy Jones, who is undoubtedly one of the best producers in history, has given Dre credit for being one of if not the best producer to emerge in the last 25 years. If you want to know what I'm talking about, listen to Dre's two solo albums. Ignore the lyrical content, and listen to the tracks, the sonic presence and seperation is unrivaled. And you will be hard pressed to find any samples in his tracks. P Diddy is the sample king, Dre is a producer. I'm not just repeating what I've heard, I've been in the studio with him. But again, to each his own.;) did you lay down some fat lyrics?

lol speakin of beats.... E-40 can't ride one to save his life (random comment)

[Maurice]

Yeah we put it down. We got some airplay on KDAY, did a few small shows, and one big concert with NWA & Tone Loc. But in the end we didn't understand the business well enough to get a deal. When we were approached by the different labels, all they wanted was gangsta rap because of the success of NWA. We didnt want to go that route so they passed. But we did have alot of fun for a while. You wouldn't believe how girls act when they see you on stage. :cool:

[swerve]

one thing great about Dre is the ease of picking his beats out.... same with DJ Quik... they just have this really distinct compton sound that follows them. but nothing wrong with that...

[Micah Cohen]

I guess, at the most basic level, I just can't see taking something seriously that is called "hip-hop." I'd be embarrassed. It's just a goofy name. Isn't it? Hip-hop. Hippity-hoppity. "Hip" and "hop" are just goofy words, and when you put them together, it's like "wax lips." Two goofy words, together to make one goofy sounding word combo. You can't take it seriously.

Can we call it something else?


As a black man, I really cant get with much rock and roll because of the lack of rhythm, IMO.

:) That's made me laugh. I quite agree. As a white man, I can't get with much of today's "rock and roll" for just this reason. Whatever passes for "rock" today might even be inferior to anything referred to as "hip-hop," even. (I wouldn't know. I can't figure out what's going on today.)

But today I was driving back from someplace blasting Chuck Berry in my car, and you know something? The man has rhythm -- and rock and roll -- coming out his eyeballs. And he's black. And he's frigging amazingly evil! And he's a pedophile! I think he's AMAZING!

MC

[Maurice]

LOL!!! Man you hit the nail on the head. Hip hop is a stupid ass name. Just because somebody has the talent to make music doesn't mean they have a lick of common sense.

**WARNING** POLITICALLY INCORRECT STATEMENT COMING!!!!!







When punk rock first got popular, I made up my mind not to like it because the name sounded like rock and roll for fags!:eek:

[ND13]

[/Quote]
When punk rock first got popular, I made up my mind not to like it because the name sounded like rock and roll for fags!:eek: [/B][/QUOTE]

I made up my mind that I didn't like punk rock when Sid Vicious said he had never listened to Led Zeppelin. WHAT A BOLD FACE LIE. He would have had to have been living in a cave for about 7-8 years to not have heard or listened to LZ while living in the UK.
Plus, when they played Memphis, when I was about 11-12 yrs old,
they were banned from ever returning and escorted to the airport by police, because one of the members of the band passed around a cup in the audience and had everybody spit in it and then drank it. And on top of that , one of them dropped trou and pissed on the crowd. Even for punk, that's too far. Noone and mean noone pays for a show to be literally pissed on, unless they're into the perverted "Golden River" sex crap.

[Maurice]

If I went to a show and got pissed on, I'd Lorena Bobbit his ass.

[ND13]

Originally posted by Maurice
If I went to a show and got pissed on, I'd Lorena Bobbit his ass.

In Memphis, Tn, they're lucky they got out without getting lynched.;) :D

[Micah Cohen]

"Punk rock" is stupid, too. I mean, what's the point? To me it was a reaction against talent. It was kids who got frustrated that they couldn't copy the licks of Page and company, couldn't write coherent songs, and so decided to just NOT do any of that. And the funniest thing about it is also the funniest thing about stuff like "hip-hop," and that is that the SHEEPLE bought it. Without a second thought, the sheeple bought it. And when it sold, the media made a thing of it.

I mean, it comes down to The Song. Can you write A Song? If not, don't make "music." It's just not worth it. (Except that this equation is turned on its head by the mindlessness of the sheeple who will buy anything, it seems.)

And this is just like movies: it comes down to The Story, The Characters. Got The Story? Got interesting Characters? If so, you got the movie. If all you got is effects and loud music and fast editing, then you don't have The Movie.

I see kids today, these faux punks walking around in downtown Baltimore, all punked out, and I just laugh. It's got to be so uncomfortable to have to wear some sort of fashion thing, black, long, all that jewelry, just to show your devotion to some fad.

(And hey, I wore spandex in the 80s; I'm not proud. It got me laid. But it didn't make me David Lee Roth, unfortunately. And it gave me a rash, so what's the point.)

Don't be a sheeple.

MC

[ND13]

Remember parachute pants?

[Maurice]

Spandex, parachute pants, and Jheri curls.:eek: Think we were idiots, how stupid were the girls that thought we were cool and effed us.:p

[ND13]

Originally posted by Maurice
Spandex, parachute pants, and Jheri curls.:eek: Think we were idiots, how stupid were the girls that thought we were cool and effed us.:p

Hell, just think of the girls who wore that stuff that we effed. Oh wait, those made them look pretty hot;) :p

[Micah Cohen]

Stupid or not, I loved them for it.

:D

And I never had "parachute pants." Thank goodness.

MC

[swerve]

I wore diapers.... i was a youngin

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I got hoes in different area codes

[swerve]

it's gonna get in ya child of the night...

[landry_p2000]

Originally posted by Maurice
LOL!!! Man you hit the nail on the head. Hip hop is a stupid ass name. Just because somebody has the talent to make music doesn't mean they have a lick of common sense.

**WARNING** POLITICALLY INCORRECT STATEMENT COMING!!!!!

When punk rock first got popular, I made up my mind not to like it because the name sounded like rock and roll for fags!:eek:

LOL:D

[PolkThug]

I like "gangsta rap", especially when I'm jogging , I like the rhythm and often angry lyrics to keep me moving.

Most of what I listen to is rap, but I also listen to "lounge music" and AC/DC and SRV.

[Micah Cohen]

That's weird man, that you listen to "gansta rap," lounge music and AC/DC.

Bon Scott would kick the crap out of you for that.

Bon Scott would kick the crap out of you, just period.

MC

[phuz]

Damn Micah you crawl out from a rock and start something like this! Good to see you around :)

For the record, I like it all. From Cannibal Corpse to .50 Cent to John Denver to Book Of Love to Chaikovsky. Good music is good music. It's all rhythms, melodies, and words. When put together correctly it moves the body and the soul. :)

Yes, even hip-hop!

[PolkThug]

Originally posted by Micah Cohen
That's weird man, that you listen to "gansta rap," lounge music and AC/DC.

Bon Scott would kick the crap out of you for that.

Bon Scott would kick the crap out of you, just period.

MC

I'll shield myself with my 1974 AC/DC Jailbreak record, the only vinyl I own. :)

[ND13]

Originally posted by phuz
Damn Micah you crawl out from a rock and start something like this! Good to see you around :)

For the record, I like it all. From Cannibal Corpse to .50 Cent to John Denver to Book Of Love to Chaikovsky. Good music is good music. It's all rhythms, melodies, and words. When put together correctly it moves the body and the soul. :)

Yes, even hip-hop!


And the choir yells, "AMEN, BROTHER PHUZ AMEN".

[Kenneth Swauger]

Micah,
You might find this interesting:
http://rockcriticsdaily.blogspot.com/2005/04/continuum-books-33-13-series.html
I've ordered the one about Neil Young's "Harvest", I'll let you know. You could write one of these?
See ya in the funny papers, Ken.

[ND13]

Originally posted by Kenneth Swauger
Micah,
You might find this interesting:
http://rockcriticsdaily.blogspot.com/2005/04/continuum-books-33-13-series.html
I've ordered the one about Neil Young's "Harvest", I'll let you know. You could write one of these?
See ya in the funny papers, Ken.

That's cool stuff, thanks for pointing that site out.

Noel

[Kenneth Swauger]

No problem, it was mentioned in the July issue of Stereophile, last page.
Ken

[Skynut]

My turn to chime in.
I also listen to just about anything. Rock, Rap, Country, Swing, Jaz, anything except that easy listening B.S. they play on the B.S. stations.
No barry manilow or barbra striesand or any of that other crap.
I know alot of you think what I listed is crap but it is all just individual taste.
The key is to listen to what you like and listen for the quality you enjoy.