Whats the diferance?

[Josh-S]

I have to choes between the Monitor 40 series and the RTi4 :p


The price is very close to being equal so my question is. Why for $30 more do you get a second driver? Or arnt the drivers the same? Which is better?

Thanks for your time!

[MacLeod]

The Monitor series is an entry level line while the RTi is an upper end line.

The RTi will have better contruction, a better enclosure, better drivers and a much better crossover and better sound quality.

[Josh-S]

oh, thank god! I was woried after finding this thread http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=31873&highlight=RTi4

I figured this bickering would of started all over again! :eek:

I was looking at the POLK AUDIO Monitor Series 12-inch Powered Subwoofer but many people are recomending the SVS 10 inch sub :confused: Any ideas?

[beardog03]

oooooh...

he went there anyway..!!

[Josh-S]

oooooh...

he went there anyway..!!


I read the whole thread and found nothing usefull... :p Just abunch of bickering...

[beardog03]

I have a biased opinion...

I have the SVS PC-Ultra....

If you really want an outstanding HT sub...music also..

www.svsubwoofers.com

[Josh-S]

I am considering the JBL north series over the pulk due to there dramaticaly lower prices!

What do you think? JBBL vs Polk :confused:

[MacLeod]

You get what you pay for.

This is true nowhere more than in audio.

[Josh-S]

ok, so heres my problem/

I have a 4K infinity sound system in my car. I love it! I'd sell my left nut if I had to just to it it all over again! However I never even herd a polk speaker before...

I need to deside on a brand, primaraly Polk vs infinity vs JBL

If i went Infin. I would go beta series. polk would be RTi4's. Help me choes cause its been giving me aheadach all week long! :(

On one hand the Infinity towers are more afordable so I would be able to get a 4 driver 61/2 woffer towers, if I go polk I cant aford towers.. on the other hand the RTI4's cost aalot less then the Beta 20's I would need to use for my surounds if I went infin... Oh, PLEASE HELP! :eek:

[dkg999]

I know someone who has the JBL Northridge speakers for their HT. They actually sound pretty good at loud or louder sound levels, driven by a moderately priced home theater receiver. Sometimes the true measure of a speaker is how it sounds at low levels. The sound of the JBL's just goes away at low levels, the center does not reproduce voices well at all unless it is cranked way up. He is constantly amazed at how much sound fills the room at low volume levels with my HT, compared to his. The JBL's do seem to be pretty good at their price point, although I would check out the Klipsch line that Best Buy carries also. My vote, go with the RTi's and then you won't have to second guess your choice later on.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I think, Infinity paired with a sub is far more musical than the RT series. Except the Beta series - their metal grills blow...

But I've also felt Infinity's tweeters are mucho better than Polks. But Polk contains a much fuller sound, sometimes muddy to my ears...

But the Infinity would be better in music (if you took off the grills) and paired them with a nice ol subwoofer. Just a IMO...

I dont view JBL with much respect... another IMO

[Josh-S]

I gues it all comes down to this...

http://www.infinitysystems.com/homeaudio/images/products_small/BETA40BK.jpg

$510 for a pair

-VS-


http://www.polkaudio.com/images/home/medium/cherry/rti4.jpg

$260 for a pair


The reason I cant get a tower from Polk is that I herd the monitor series isnt that great and I cant aford the RTi8's :( And when I look at it as plainly as this I tend to lean towards infinity... Buts its just not as black and white as that now is it?

Well, I did manage to get my hands on a pioneer Elite reciver that retails for$1,000 :D Did I mention I got it for $250 new???? hahaha Now I just gota sort this mess out! Oh, heres the reciver http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4155_123728223,00.html


EDIT: Vr3MxStyler2k3,

All I plan to use it for is music until I move out and have a decent living room. for now I will just buy the Fronts and a sub/ perhaps a center too...

[ohskigod]

whereas the infinity's (at least the new ones) are a little sharp for my tastes, tinny even. I'd rule out JBL, gota trust me on that one.

my vote, RTi4's and svs pb10 based on rep or Hsu Stf-2 based on my own ears.

[ND13]

I've had pretty good results from my little E150P JBL sub. I'm not into HT that much but use it for movies and TV in a 2.1 system. When I had it in my music rig, it did a commendable job for adding that extra oomph I needed at the time and was surprisingly musical. With that said, if I could have gotten a Polk for anywhere close to the price I paid, I would have done that. I guess if I ever did go all out on a HT rig I'd most likely get a SVS, HSU, or Veladyne. But for now the little JBL does quite nice.

I'm not trying to say that the JBL is some kind of godsend sub or anything, but that unless you've actually heard one in the right setting and used for the right purpose, it's not fair to dog it just because it says JBL on it. If you could have gotten it NIB for what I got it for, you would have done the same thing that I did.

[danger boy]

Josh-S,

Sell BOTH your nuts and get the RTi8's. and be done with it. :p


You're welcome. ;)

[audiobliss]

I have a 4K infinity sound system in my car. I love it! I'd sell my left nut if I had to just to it it all over again! However I never even herd a polk speaker before...

Lemme put it this way. If you instead had an all Polk setup in your car, you'd be sayin' you'd sell both of 'em to do it all over again.

EDIT - Okay, I promise I didn't see the previous post until after I posted this.

[Josh-S]

Shure you didnt... :p

Ok, so all of you agree that the 8's are better then that infinity tower and that I should pay the extra for them?

I do have lots of stuff I can sell to help make the buying proses less painfull. But first I will need to know if this reciver is good enough to power them! Please look it over and compare it to the speakers. I think it wont have enough power to fully utalize the 8's potential...

http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4155_123728223,00.html

[ND13]

I'd say that it will be fine for the 8s, but not the 10s or 12s.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

If Music is first...

I say forget the RT line and get the LSi7

the RTi line is not exactly the most musical speakers on the market...

[audiobliss]

Indeed, if you're mainly interested in music, the LSi7 coupled with a small, tight sub will be much better than anything from the RTi line-up. However, the LSi series requires heftier amplification, and so you would need to drop some money into that.

Usually I'd say if you're patient you can bag a deal on some LSi7s. However, now I'm saying if you're quick, because Sean (Zero) is selling a pair of Ebony LSi7 in the Flea Market for $350 (if I remember correctly). Get those, and spend the rest on amplification and a small, musical sub and you'll have a MUCH nicer music rig.

[danger boy]

your receiver will have plenty of power for the RTi8's. if not. add a amp later down the road.

[Josh-S]

I'm really getting sick now. I cant seep, my heads stil lpounding! And now this shit! :mad:

" Email
<email@mpsuperstore.com> to me
More options 12:15 pm (49 minutes ago)
Dear JOSHUA STYER,

Your order has been CANCELED by your sales representative, Claire.
If you feel this was done in error or need additional information please contact
Claire and he/she will be able to provide you with the details.

You can reach Claire at 800-300-0615 or 718-769-1186 Ext.
Please reference order # 2238667 when calling.

Thank you.


Mon - Thurs 9:30 - 8:00pm
Fri 9:30 -3:00pm
Sat closed
Sun 10:00 - 7:00pm"

Now I'm reciverless again!


Not to mention I ate 2 Bacon egg and chesses form McD's and now my stomacs sick... Whats next?

Oh, look! A metor just hit my car! GREAT! :rolleyes:

[audiobliss]

Hehehehe....I always wanted a meteor.....lol...

So, is the receiver that just got cancelled the Pioneer you were talking about? So, if you don't get this one, you won't have a receiver? I'd say that's GREAT!! Now you haven't wasted your money on a receiver! Now you can buy Sean's LSi7 and then get a separate amp and preamp. They'll do the LSi7 a lot better than a receiver would, and you'll probably end up spending less money if you just skip the receiver route altogether.

So, I'd count this as more of a blessing...

[Josh-S]

wow now, hold on a min! I have just learned about recivers! "separate amp and preamp" My first responce is "WTF" Followed by "heck no"... I'm way to new at this to go that rout/ heck, I wouldnt even know where to buy them at! :o

[Josh-S]

oh, and thoes LSi7's are 4 ohms... So If I were to go that route I would need to match the speakers, and buy a center and rears.. that series isnt exactly afordible if you know what I mean! :eek:

I have decided to go cheap now that I lost that amp. deal :(

Monitor 50 = $400 Pair Cherry

http://www.polkaudio.com/images/home/medium/cherry/monitor50.jpg

Monitor 40 = $279 Pair cherry

http://www.polkaudio.com/images/home/medium/cherry/monitor40.jpg

CS1 = $175

http://www.polkaudio.com/images/home/medium/cherry/cs1.jpg

HTR-5850 = $300

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/prod_images/htr5850_mainXM.gif

SVS 20-39PCi = $600 AKA 40inch. BEAST!

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/images/icon_pci_2039.jpg

http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pci_20-39.htm


Thats why my budget got diminished, But I just gota have it! :eek:

[audiobliss]

I thought you were into music, though. If you want a HT, you would need the center and surrouns, but not if you're just going for music. Just a simple 2.1 (2 mains and a sub) system would be perfect.

As for not going with separates because of being new to the audio realm, that's foolish. I've only been on the audio scene for two (slow) years, so I'm still VERY MUCH a n00b, myself. I can look back and see that my receiver was a total waste of money. I could have gotten so much better in separates for the same amount of money or even less, and it's absolutely no harder or more difficult to use than a receiver. The only thing is that, since you're buying two units (preamp and amp), you may not be able to get them both at the same time, since you're waiting to spring on a good deal.

In case you're not totally sure what separates means, exactly...
A receiver performs several functions. Frist, it usually has a radio tuner, so it's acting as a source. Next, it has a processor for HT, time alignment settings, tone controls, etc. and so is being used as a preamp. (Anything that takes connections from a source, uses a volume pot (knob) to change the volume, and then sends connections to an amp is a preamp.) Next, the receiver is also acting as an amp. It amplifies the signal so it is strong enough to drive the speakers. Receivers usually have adequate radio tuners, almost adequate preamps, and just tolerable amplifier sections.

Separates are just that: separate. You have a preamp that is a standalone unit that is of much better quality than that which is found in a receiver. You also have an amplifier that is a standalone unit that is WORLDS nicer than the amp section in the receiver.

As you pointed out, the LSi series are 4ohm speakers, meaning they place more demand on the amplifier. Thus, the majority of receiver won't drive the LSi series, and practically no receiver will drive them well. Thus, an external amplifier would be much better.

Separates aren't that complicated/difficult/inconvenient. I would never say you shouldn't go with separates just because you're new to audio. That's no excuse for wasting money on a receiver like I did. If you can afford/have-the-patience-to-wait-for-good-deals-in-the-Flea Market on separates, you'll be MUCH better off doing that.

And if you're going just for music, go with Sean's LSi7. If, however, you're going for a HT, you're right, it'll cost a lot more to with an LSi system. However, depending on your budget/time frame, it may still be possible and will most certainly be better.

[audiobliss]

Oh, and I'm not exactly sure what you mean about 'matching' the speakers. I'm assuming that you currently have a center and some surrounds. If so, you'd just calibrate your system so that the center and surrounds (I'm assuming are 8ohms) won't be louder than your (4ohm) mains. Now, this of course isn't an ideal HT system and you would want to eventually fill it out with LSi speakers, but it'd work long enough for you to slowly piece together a system.

Hope that helps a bit!!
audiobliss

[Josh-S]

Thats alot of info! I am going to buy it all at once so I have 8 weeks now to decide. I edited my post above with my latest theroy. ANd I am going to look into seperates. My plan for now is to use it for music because I live at my parents and my room is getting cramped. dont have the room to use surounds YET... But in 7-9 months I will be moved out and then it will be used for both. So I must plan for this... Well, I'm off to look into seperats!

[Josh-S]

I just recived my speaker cables from parts express... I just gota say how well these things are built! Top notch, and they look like a million bucks to! But the 14ga. copper wires are very thick, and hard to bend. Theres alot of coding on them and since the wires inside are breaded and shelided then coated there rather thick.... But none the less, there top notch! :eek: If you have no idea what I'm talking about look up Dayton cables. there partsexpresses own brand. They go tit all and aperantly top notch! :cool:


Edit: oh, and seperats are way too expensive for me to do right now. However I have decided on the RTi series for now. Yea, I'm springing for the RTi8's :D\

See, I relized somerthing here...

Monitor 50 57-24k Hz
Monitor 60 48-24k Hz
RTi8's 40-26k Hz < Droped 17Hz

[Willow]

Wow seems you're all over the map with your choices.

Good luck !!

[Josh-S]

yep, and its driving me crazy! I just cant decide :(

[danger boy]

Josh-S you will be very happy with the RTi8's. Get those and build your system around those mains.

[Josh-S]

I am watching 2 ebay auctions for 2 new pairs of RTi6's even if I use the buy it now I would save $80 on EACH pair :cool: So my plans are to buy them for now. and get a reciver. When I have more cash I will then buy the RTi8's to finish my 7.1 setup :D Thi sis prety much my final desision. At this point I have ruled out the monitor series due to the Freq. responce in the lower end. And I herd thoes infinity towers. Ear pearcing for shure...

I am trying to match up a good reciver now to the RTi line.
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/pna/product/detail/0,,2076_4153_209686388,00.html

Thats my curent desision but its gona coast me $400 shiped. so this is more then I planed and is going to consume my funds for 4 months. But should be worth it. :p

[ND13]

What will your budget be for the receiver?? Don't make any rash decisions on the receiver just yet.

[Josh-S]

To be honist my budget is uniqe. :o It grows every week . I curently have around $600 saved and I am setting aside $100 a week until this project of mine is over with. I dont wish to build a HT and have to upgrade in a year. This thing will be with me for many years to come. Simply put, I dont wish to cut corners with the reciver and yet at the same time I want to listen to it NOW! :) I hate to wait... Also I rulled out Yamaha, sony, outlaw,onkyo... all due to price or Output. I am looking for 100+ RMS. Also must have OSD (on screen display) Thats why that Pioneer is looking very nice right about now... :D

[cfrizz]

I would say find a receiver that has all the features that you like & most important, make sure it comes with pre-outs.

The reason for this is so you have upgradebility for more powerful separate amplifiers down the line.

[Josh-S]

So far looking good. I'll heep on searching for other brands but I do belive I got them all looked at. If you can think of any I havnt mentioned let me know :)

[ND13]

You need to be looking more at the current than the wpc. I'd be looking into Harman Kardon and Denon if I were in your shoes. You can get factory refurbs with warranty and save 30-40%. Just my opinion. If you're going to get Pioneer, get the Elite series.

[BIZILL]

don't rush. take your time. look to ebay or other online retailers. save some money. come out in the end with all you've lusted for.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I'd look at Denon, one with pre-outs. Denon has good processing, and if you got one with pre outs you can always add an amp later...

[audiobliss]

Exactly what Noel said. If you're going to go with Pioneer, go for the Elite series. However, I'd suggest Harmon Kardon over Pioneer because of current. HK receivers are very powerful as far as receivers go.

And as for going by output, you can't really do that. Like my Yamaha rated at 110x7 probably only puts out about 40 watts max into two channels driven simultaneously. A Harmon Kardon receiver rated at 60 or 70 watts per channel would most likely blow the doors off my Yamaha.

[BIZILL]

A Harmon Kardon receiver rated at 60 or 70 watts per channel would most likely blow the doors off my Yamaha.

audio, are you bowing down to my h/k7300? oh, wait. did someone say "monoblocks"?

[audiobliss]

Yeah, I guess I would be...:p

I don't think I heard 'monoblocks'....but...wait! I have monoblocks!! :D:D:D:D:D:D

I keep forgetting that....it's such a wonderful feeling.....:D

[BIZILL]

you bastard! :D

[drew spelts]

yeah josh I am in the same boat as you and am looking to have RTi 8's up front (Thanks largely in part to Bizill's advice) and I just bought a set of rti6's on ebay for $200 :eek: . I am now suiting up for a Harman Kardon AVR-635 which I can get from a friend for under $400 brand new. Then the last 2 parts will be the Rti8's which I hope I can get through the flea market here and a csi5 center probably from ebay. All this will be nicely tied together with a velodyne DPS 12.

[Josh-S]

Guys.. Dont say that kinda stuff! I based my hole reserch and comparing mostly by Rated RMS output! Simply put I want TRUE 120W RMS a chanel! And HK is way out of my budget.. Too bad to since they look so sleek :rolleyes:

[W WALDECKER]

Yeah, I guess I would be...:p

I don't think I heard 'monoblocks'....but...wait! I have monoblocks!! :D:D:D:D:D:D

I keep forgetting that....it's such a wonderful feeling.....:Dyes it is!

[cfrizz]

There really is no such thing as true 120W per channel when dealing with receivers. It just isn't really possible. The ones that come closest to it are the HK's, Rotels, ect.

This is precisely why we are telling you to get a receiver with pre-outs so you can purchase separate amplifiers later on. We have been there & done this so we know!

Be patient & save more money to get something decent.



Guys.. Dont say that kinda stuff! I based my hole reserch and comparing mostly by Rated RMS output! Simply put I want TRUE 120W RMS a chanel! And HK is way out of my budget.. Too bad to since they look so sleek :rolleyes:

[audiobliss]

Josh - Unless you spend upwards of $2,000, you are NOT going to get even 100 watts per channel from a receiver in stereo mode, much less when you're driving more than two speakers.

Forget the watts, and if you can swing it, get a HK.

[BIZILL]

look on ebay. seller's name is harmanaudio. they are harman/kardon. you can pick up a nicely powered refurb with 2 year factory warranty for really cheap. when they have 7300's up for auction, they can be had for around $1100, though i got a brand new one for that price.

[BIZILL]

[QUOTE=drew spelts]yeah josh I am in the same boat as you and am looking to have RTi 8's up front (Thanks largely in part to Bizill's advice)QUOTE]

and i got my advice from the rest of these polkologists........thanks, all.

[danger boy]

I'd look at a refurb Denon myself if i were in his shoes. They have really good sound and the latest features built into them. It would be tough to find a better bang for the buck receiver in that price range.

[Josh-S]

well then why do they claim that there Reciver (pioneer) puts out a min of 120W RMS a chanel? :mad:

This is just fing retarded! So here I go!

Find me a reciver that puts out as many watts as you can find for $600 :cool: Thats it, theres my limit! I will need the power to juice my RTi8's and 6's in 7.1 chanels! And I dont wish to ever upgrade. I know the diferance in sound quality when things are powered properly. My 6x9's were a completly new beast once I amped them to there full watage.

Oh, whats this mono blocking stuff?

[W WALDECKER]

well then why do they claim that there Reciver (pioneer) puts out a min of 120W RMS a chanel? :mad:

This is just fing retarded! So here I go!

Find me a reciver that puts out as many watts as you can find for $600 :cool: Thats it, theres my limit! I will need the power to juice my RTi8's and 6's in 7.1 chanels! And I dont wish to ever upgrade. I know the diferance in sound quality when things are powered properly. My 6x9's were a completly new beast once I amped them to there full watage.

Oh, whats this mono blocking stuff?a monoblock is an amplifier that powers only one channel per amplifier so it takes a pair of them to play 2 channel stereo playback.thanks....WCW III

[Josh-S]

1000W at rated power output (7 channels driven)

:eek: It draws 1K wats! Holy shit! I'll have to put in a 20 amp receptical and some 12 gag feeds. and a 20 amp breaker at 1,000 watts! :cool: That Pionear only drew 500W max at full power! So is it safe to asume that the rated power output of the HK is twice as much? Or just horibly ineficiant??

http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=US&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20635&sType=C

[okiepolkie]

Josh,

This will be a simplified version:

Wattage changes with different frequencies.

From what I can gather, it is relatively easy to produce a peak wattage at around 1000 Hz. Also, if one channel is being used, like the left channel OR right channel, then the power supply is not being asked to deliver very much power. Some manufacturers decide to use these measurements.

Other manufacuterers will use the whole frequency spectrum(20Hz-20000Hz) to might even use the hardest to drive frequency. Also, most these manuf do this will all 7 channels powering speakers. This is asking much more from a power supply, so the power supply has to be better to produce a lot of watts from the same power supply.

I'm short on time, so I can't expound any further, but when I get a chance, I'll clarify this a little bit.

Zach

[Josh-S]

Heres my basic understanding.

Volts can be amped,
Amps can be downsized
Watts cant be AMPED or uped!

If that is true then an amplifier that claims to put out a constand of 120W x 7 = 840W min. draw... And if the reciver as a whole has a peak wattage use of 480 then it doesnt add up.

Right?

[danger boy]

check out this Denon (http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?sHist=12-125%2c6-536&id=29860)

I have not heard it.. but it might be a good starting point. $650 you may be able to find it lower, not sure.

# Fully Discrete, Equal Power 7 Amplifier Channels, 100 Watts Each
# Front 100 W + 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
# Center 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
# Surround 100 W + 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)
# Surround Back 100 W + 100 W (8 ohms, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08 % THD)

For optimum Dolby Digital and dts reproduction, the AVR-886 features high quality, wideband audio amplification, providing 90 watts power output for each of the 7 main channels. A large capacity power supply includes a high current power transformer along with discrete power output devices on all 7 amplifier channels for highest dynamic range and superb reproduction clarity.

[Josh-S]

danger boy, I opted for a higher model. and I can get that one for $400. One call's a rip. :)


Denon AVR-2805 http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/376.asp

-VS-

HK. AVR 635 http://www.harmankardon.com/specifications.aspx?Region=USA&Country=US&Language=ENG&cat=REC&ser=&prod=AVR%20635&sType=C

[Ron Temple]

The 635 is comparable to the 3805 for power and video transcoding features. It also weighs 41lbs. vs. 27 for the 2805. The weight is in the power supply and heat sinks. I'd look into refurbed models for both since they are last year's models. You might be able to find a refurbed 635 for < $500 from ebay/HKDirect w/2 year warranty.

[Josh-S]

http://www.digital1234.com/product.jsp?x=AVR635

Brand new for $611 shiped. But I have to step back now and review all this since I only wanted to pay $250 originaly 3 weeks ago :( And since then I decided on RTi8's (expensive to say the least) RTi6's Also $100 more for only 1 inch added to the cone. a freaking SVS tower sub for $600 OMG why cant I resist bass??? ANd a CSi3 for the center actualky reasonably priced)

Doing the math


$610 - Reciver
$620 - Sub SVS
$700 Pair RTi8's
$640 2 Pairs RTi6's
$100 in cables ect.

$2670! When I originaly only wanted to pay $1,000 at the max! :eek: This is what you guys did to me! Now could some one explain to me why I am paying all this for some audio and 7.1 suround? (lord of the rings in all its glory AINT enough!) :p

It's going to take me 27 weeks at $100 a week set asid eto buy all this! Over 6 months! Talk about a long term comitment...

[Ron Temple]

http://cgi.ebay.com/Harman-Kardon-AVR-635-7-1-Home-theater-receiver_W0QQitemZ5827186828QQcategoryZ67799QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or

http://cgi.ebay.com/Harman-Kardon-AVR-635-7-1-Home-theater-receiver_W0QQitemZ5827883663QQcategoryZ67799QQssPa geNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

or this one is a bit high for the 630, I've seen them go for $415. 50 minutes left.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Harman-Kardon-AVR-630-7-1-Receiver-DTS-Dolby-Digital_W0QQitemZ5825699837QQcategoryZ39794QQcmdZV iewItem

[Josh-S]

I have been monitoring his items. Most likly where I'll buy it from. To aford it I might just go for the RTi4's for the surounds.. I'll save $200 and that will help make up for it :p

[ND13]

You best jump all over that 635 for $611 new. That's a killer deal.

[Josh-S]

I have been doing alot of reading on Denon and HK. Both seam to have impresive power ratings. However while I jiust LOVE the HK's apearance, I cant dismis its rated output at only 75W which most likly it will only be around 60W for all 7 chanels. I have however found this Denon AVR-3805. That puts out a full 93W rms in 7.1 mode and a whoping 139 in stereo :) So, dispite its but ugly looks I have decided on it. When the time comes (soon) I wll order it from ebay for around $650.


Heres a true review of its outputed power http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/DenonAVR-3805lab.pdf

Edit: The HK wasnt too far behind on power http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/804hk/index2.html

[Ron Temple]

Can't go wrong either way. Actually the HK puts out more watts than it's spec and it's a high current thingy, but the 3805 has just as many fans.

Make sure you get a warranty. Some of the Denon's from unauthorized dealers don't offer one or only 90 days.

[ND13]

I have been doing alot of reading on Denon and HK. Both seam to have impresive power ratings. However while I jiust LOVE the HK's apearance, I cant dismis its rated output at only 75W which most likly it will only be around 60W for all 7 chanels. I have however found this Denon AVR-3805. That puts out a full 93W rms in 7.1 mode and a whoping 139 in stereo :) So, dispite its but ugly looks I have decided on it. When the time comes (soon) I wll order it from ebay for around $650.


Heres a true review of its outputed power http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/DenonAVR-3805lab.pdf

Edit: The HK wasnt too far behind on power http://hometheatermag.com/receivers/804hk/index2.html

Ummm Josh, if you'll notice, the Denon did 93wpc, but at 1khz, not the full range. A huge difference from the 79wpc the HK does with all channels driven from 20-20k. If you were to have them tested equally I'd put my money on the HK having more real world power, but the current is what's really the issue here and the HK has it in droves. :)

Oh and when you're in 2-channel mode for your music it has 146.9 wpc @ 4ohms w/.1% thd and 170.8wpc @ 4 ohms w/1% thd.

[Josh-S]

oh, I missed that :o I guess I really dont know enough to comapre the reviews :(

[ND13]

oh, I missed that :o I guess I really dont know enough to comapre the reviews :(

That's what we're here for :D ;)

[Josh-S]

Does anyone know what the dif. is between the Harman Kardon AVR635 And the AVR630? The specs are the same I do belive. :confused:

[ND13]

The 635 is the newer version.

[Josh-S]

I figured that :p Was wondering what they changed that warented a newer version to be released.

[ND13]

Nothing but the model number for the most part.

[Josh-S]

This may seam like an odd request but does anyone here have a pic of the AVR635 or lesser models Internal desiagn? I have been searching the net for 2 hours now with no luck for the AVR635 or AVR630... I'd just like to see how she's built inside and take a look at the amps.