velodyne or polk

[Stocks_sd]

What does everyone think about Velodyne's CHT series compared to polk's subs? Thinking about getting a CHT120.

Thanks

[Stocks_sd]

Sorry.

CHT12

[gidrah]

None of the above.

[snookking]

I like the velodyne cht 15, they blow away the polks at CC.

[matthew_2]

I heard the CHT12 last night, not to much bass. Boomy, and slow for music.

SVS seem to be the best subs going right now.

[mantis]

The real question is do you like the sub??
Personally I perfer Polk sub's(of today) over velodyne cht sub's.The seem to have more slam mode(if that what you like)Polk sub's tend to be slightly more musical.The cht's are more ..movie action mode.
Now the task at hand is to test that theory.Is it for you or not.
Velodyne's play loud and hard, but boomy at times.Polk's play loud and clean but can boom is not set up correctly.
You choose.

[RuSsMaN]

First question, imho, is is this for music (2ch rig), or an HT rig?

If meant to be a musical sub, I would look at DIY sealed designs, or perhaps a B&W, or something like the JMLab Chorus or higher end Velo....(depending on your budget).

For a good ht sub (and somewhat musical also), I would suggest offerings from HSU, SVS, Velodyne HGS, and some kits and diy (such as the Dayton Titanic).

Hate to say it, but the two series you mentioned are mere 'woofers' in boxes, with mediocre at best amplification. Not that they won't fill your need, they might. If you want a TRUE sub, you are going to have to drop a little more coin, or build it yourself.

Cheers,
Russ

In all honesty, for a low-powered 2ch rig on a budget, 2 PSW250's (run in stereo) are fairly decent, and can present a decent kick-drum when mated with shelf-mount speakers.....

[TheGrayGhost]

You should also consider the Rava sub. Sealed box and not bad at $399.

http://www.adireaudio.com/home_audio/Loudspeakers/exact_series/rava.htm

[RuSsMaN]

Yes yes yes, The Rava, at 4 franklins, VERY tough to beat...

Good call grayghost.....

Cheers,
Russ

[Stocks_sd]

I guess I should of gave a little more info.

I bought my whole system last May at cc, including a psw450, without putting much thought into the sub. (1st time buyer) It sounds great in my theater but I do listen to a lot of music too. And although I'm not unhappy with it musically, I'm not happy with it either. Since I don't have $1500 to shell out on a new sub I guess I was just hoping somebody was going to tell me how much better the velodyne was. $50 bucks and a trade in and I would be good to go. Oh well, just some wishful thinking. :)

Thanks for the replies.
Randy

[TheGrayGhost]

Randy,

Save your $50 until you have enough for a good musical subwoofer. I upgraded my Velodyne sub to a sealed box and have never looked back. In my opinion the Velo is a one note sub and not very good for music. It is an excellent boom-boom box for home theater.

[TroyD]

I would also look at the Paradigm PDR series.....price is very competitive to velo and polk.....More musical than either the polk or velo.

BDT

[TrappedUnder Ice]

of course opinions will vary..but I have two velos...the ct150 and the cht8... love both..never cared for the polk subs myself...they are boomey and sloppy..but that is what I have always heard myeslf...notice..the Personal notes..... as far as velo being being musical??? i love my ct150 on my jazz , rock, etc...it is xoverd at 60 though.. if you want one that you can at 120..wich to me any sub at that sounds nasty... dont goe velo or polk...

[matthew_2]

Man, no one says anything about SVS on the forum. Nice change I guess. HTF seem to think SVS are the ONLY way to go. Highly regarded on Klipsch BB as well.

I do think however there are better subs for music. (from what I have heard.) If you live in Canada, a Paradigm PW2200 is a great deal!

[TroyD]

They CERTAINLY look cool.....never heard one though. I wonder how musical they are. That is the telling factor to me.

Troy

[Stocks_sd]

Well? :( Time to start saving again.





But damn it! I want it now!! :D


Thanks again
Randy

[ezc]

I like the Sunfires & the Carver subs. I do have a Polk PWS650 which is a good sub for music & ht, & I also have a Carver Knight Shadow which I like very much. The sub is just 11" x 11" x 11" & it rocks! Once I blended it in with my system It works awsome. Music is smooth & not boomy & for HT it delevers the lows. The sub is smooth & tight, & I think it is faster than my 650. On the other hand it costs twice as much as a PSW650. My 650 is being repaired (again for the 2nd time in 3 mo. owned it for 3 mo been in the shop over 1 mo.)& when it comes back Ill put it up for sale & save for a sunfire true sub or a true sub jr. I just got LSi15 front mains, LSiC & LSiFX rear surrounds & the carver blends right in with my new speakers! If you like Velodyne check the HGS series. The HGS-10 is very close to the Carver Knight Shadow specs. But the carver is much less in price. The Sunfire Architectural Sub is very close the the Carver K S But again much less in price. I looked & listened to the carver, velodyne & Sunfire's & they all seemed very very close. Save some $ & buy a good sub form the get go

[OrangeToupee]

I've read some very good things about Velodyne's SPL series; specifically, their 10" SPL-1000, which can be had for roughly $700 and is purported to have an excellent musical functionality.

[jrausch]

My fav subs are Polk and Def Techs 15tl+ @ http://www.definitivetech.com/loudspeakers/subwoofers/subwoofers.html
Musical, Clean tight punch is the only way to go.

[gidrah]

I've read about many people adding/subtracting the batting/baffling material in their subs. I've read this about kits, DIY, and manufactured. This can make a HT sub become more musical, or a musical sub become more HT. Try also moving and/or isolating your sub. If you've already got it.

For music, I like multiple, smaller drivers. They usually don't go as low, but tend to be faster. Most music doesn't go that low.

For HT you can get a larger driver that will usually hit lower. Even a slow thump in the chest from a car/plane crash is good.

To get a sub that is both fast and deep be prepared to spend some money and living space. The cost can be offset (slightly) by a good DIY enclosure using quality drivers. Welcome to the addiction.

[mantis]

If you truely want a sub that is most flexable...........enter into REL.
REL makes the best of both worlds.For music they blend in like it wasn't even there, for movies they can relocate your sitting area.A true sub be able to hit down to 20hz, if it can't(like most sub's and All current Polk sub's)then you have a speaker powered box.Like I still do.
Another cool thing about Rel's is the fact that you can run line level and balanced speaker level at the same time,with different setting for each input.Enter music sub and theater sub at the same time.Not many other sub's can do that.

I wonder what my next sub will be????:lol:

[xfontanax]

I agree with the REL, the sub blends so well it diappears with your setup. Very musical.

[joe logston]

i have 2 psw-650s and im not looking back with 2 one on each channels right& left on the mains with rt-7 on pedestals i t makes a better balance and deeper sound stage, the 650 set up right are a real musical sub its hard to beat for the money, i think you need 2 of them to do them right. im going to get the lsi-9 to replace the rt-7s

[mantis]

Joe,
ever try stacking them on top of each other???This makes such killer setup.I did a job last week with 2 B&W asw2500's and I desided to stack them on top of each other.Man what performance I got out of those sub's.Having 2 sub's makes real hard placement( I owned 2 at one time in the PSW450 and a Alantic technology I forget the model number it was given to me by my work years ago, I got it out).

[joe logston]

hi mantis, got a large 15" for placement, i use te psw-650 & rt-7 as one unit for the mains, got rt-20p for the surounds. its like having the large srt sysem. and works great, you should hear, the only way to improve it is repace the rt-7 with the lsi-9

[joe logston]

hey mantis , i have the yamaha rx-v1 and im running my mains from my aragon 4004 mark 2 so if i got the lsi-9 they are 4 ohms and it will be a killer system i think, i hope, it is now a killer system, and i have a older denon poa-2400 amp that i modedfide to run the surounds rt-20p powerd towers

[mantis]

I remember reading a post before that you owned the RXV1.tHAT SUCKER HAS KILLER POWER AND VERY CLEAN.You like the seperate amps better than the Yamah's amps???
You setup sound killer,I bet it sounds real good.Damn using rt20p's for rears,thats just bad ass.
But Aragon makes some real Dynamic and crystal clean amps, i have installed them in the past, I loved them then.
The Older Denon amp you own is that the one with the built in preamp lookin thing.I did this guys house a year ago that had these Denon mono block's but they were weird they had like a built in preamp or something different about them, I can't remember now.

[joe logston]

yes it haves volume controls on right and left channels and two sets of stereo speaker out puts, i modifide it buy takingout the a&b out puts and buypassing the volume controls and having the amp direct two cannels

[mantis]

Yeah,
I know thats amp.It sounds pretty good.

[gplracer]

I had a ct-10 and took it back. It was real boomy. I listened to the Polk and it was similar. Both units have decent bass but that is all. I bought two svs subs and frankly there is no comparison. Before people would come over with the velodyne and say, "nice system" Now that I have the svs subs they come over and go, "Oh my god I can not believe the bass! There is so much and it is so clean" There really is no need to compare because the difference is too great. I get 120 spls at 20hz and the velodyne barely did 20hz! I have polk speakers and I love them but the only way to go with the sub is svs. Go to www.svsubwoofers.com

[OrangeToupee]

Well, you're talking Velodyne's cheapest models; I seriously doubt that you'd get those type of results with Velodyne's better subs. I also doubt that SVS is the only way to go.

[juice21]

HSU research vtf-2 (http://hsuresearch.com/)

i am currently running two, and am very pleased...:D

[joe logston]

hi gplracer wecome to the forum, i thought of changing my audio sorce 15" sub , with a svs for a placement sub, i wish there was a place i can listen to one in las vegas.

thanks

[TroyD]

Who would really need a sub that would put out 120db at 20Hz??

If you are listening to stuff that loud, you won't be listening to anything shortly.

I'm all for good bass and all but I believe that some of this is overkill.....

BDT

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

M&K makes awesome subs...with dual 12 inch drivers, for only 1500.....it can shake a whole house!

[gplracer]

Orangetoupe have you ever heard a svs sub? There are subs out there that would probably be better but none that are in the price range of the svs with the exception of the HSU. I hear it is a great sub too! Check out this review:

Sub comparison (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/subwoofers-12-2001.html)

Also if you want to hear some SVS subs or other types of speakers try this:
Audio Envy (http://www.audioenvy.com)

It is site where people sign up to let you know you can come by and listen to their equipment.

[Ron-P]

Ever thought about building your own? You can achieve the same results as an SVS for half the cost. It is very easy is you have some basic wood-working skills.

http://home.earthlink.net/~peregrinefalcon/_uimages/SonoSub.jpg


Peace Out~:D

[gplracer]

I really did think about it. I think you could build one that would surpass the SVS and the HSU. It would have to be larger though. Most people use the sonotubes. They are the cardboard molds for concrete columns.

[Ron-P]

Yep, that's what I used.


Peace Out~:D

[gidrah]

I don't think he's in the market for a $1500 sub. If he was, I'd suggest a EdgarHorn sub seismic. You can get a no finish sub at this price that'll kill. Hits deep, fast and very musical. People will wonder what it is as they feel their chest concave. :eek:

I'm with Ron on this one!

[gplracer]

Well I guess it depends on whether or not he want to build one or not. SVS has a new model that is supposed to be good. Although I have not heard one. It is $549. It comes with an amp built in. Here is the link:
SVS PCI Sub (http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_pci_25-31.htm)

[goingganzo]

sorry for the dubble post

[goingganzo]

you can allmost buld 2 for that price and you can make it allmost the same size as the svs or you can buld it any way you want you can even make a cofie tabble out of it nice sub ron what did you use to get the grey on the wood?