Seeking opinions...

[VR3]

Ok... This is a tempting thing to do...

Do you think it would be worthwhile to list my rebuilt, fully modded BP10Bs on the bay...

And Im talking about a 1,000 dollar starting bid... 1,300 BIN...

Fully rebuilt, inert, solid wood panels, modded xovers, all that...

Any opinions?

[beardog03]

why would you want to sell them...?
you put a lot of work into them..

not to say bad things little bro, but what kind of wood did you use ?
for that kind of money, I would want some exotic type wood...not so shiny also

not saying they don`t look great and sound great, but just a thought

[VR3]

Well...

They have a MDF build, 1" front and back panels...

Modded Crossovers & Binding Post

.5" Cedar Side panels

Higher grade internal foam

3/4" Birch Plywood bracing, 230" additional bracing (all compensated for) of the original...

Mirror imaged design for better imaging and clarity

So many things about it that are better - if people are willing to pay 1 grand new for a stock one, why not for a fully tricked out one...

Im not saying they'd sell, but if I can get 1,000 + out of them, they would be gone in a heart beat.

If I sold them, there would be LSi in my future, most likely.

[beardog03]

by all means bro...post em
what do you have to lose ?!
I`m sure they are well worth the asking price...I`m just thinking about all the work you put into them.
I know you get alot of enjoyment, and great satisfaction when you do these kinds of projects...and you are good at it..!
I have no doubt you will start another project soon anyway..!!!!

I would like to see ya get into some LSi`s..
and some momo`s for the truck..!!

[VR3]

Well, while I love these speakers to death and Id hate to see them go...

I also understand the fact that the BP10B is a plentiful speaker out there and can be found almost anywhere at cheap prices...

Not to mention Ill have a pair of enclosures left behind to fill back up with drivers and crossovers! ;) (or to sell also)...

If I could sell them for 1 grand (and beyond).... and I could find another tower/bookshelf replacement in the 500-600 range, thatd be a nice chunk of change in my pocket that I could really use right now....

Theres just alot pointing for me to sell them...

I may list them as soon as I get done with the other one ---

But Id like to get some more opinions, it wont be cheap to list them - that is for sure.

[unc2701]

If you can get $1000 for them, then **** yeah, sell them.

Truth is, I seriously doubt anyone will buy them. Why get a rebuilt set of DT's when you can buy a pair of LSi 15's? They look great and all, but they're worth more to you than anyone else is going to pay for them.

[hoosier21]

I small dose of reality: you will be lucky to get what they normally go for used, let alone more, and your dreaming if you think you can get retail and beyond.

Try this

1. Offer the rebuilt cabinets up for sale without drivers and crossover.

2. Then offer the standard cabinets, drivers and the UPGRADED crossovers in another auction.

I might be wrong, but that's my opinion of how you could get the most money.

[madmax]

I don't like to buy "upgraded" stuff. Too many stupid people doing stupid things to take a chance. I would much rather have a non-modified one unless I have knowledge of the person who did the modifications.
madmax

[Early B.]

I small dose of reality: you will be lucky to get what they normally go for used, let alone more, and your dreaming if you think you can get retail and beyond.

Try this

1. Offer the rebuilt cabinets up for sale without drivers and crossover.

2. Then offer the standard cabinets, drivers and the UPGRADED crossovers in another auction.

I might be wrong, but that's my opinion of how you could get the most money.

Hoosier is right on point with this one. If you're gonna sell, do what he says.

Max is also right. Unless they are factory mods or mooded by a very reputable person/company, mods are a disincentive for many people, including me in most instances.

I think you should sell them as Hoosier indicated just to see how the market responds to them. It'll give you an indication of whether or not there's a business opportunity in it for you. Forget about the amount of time you put in it. I'm sure you learned a lot in the process and if you did it again, you could do it much faster and probably more cost effective.

[steveinaz]

I don't like to buy "upgraded" stuff. Too many stupid people doing stupid things to take a chance. I would much rather have a non-modified one unless I have knowledge of the person who did the modifications.
madmax

Absolutely. I don't want anything that someone else has dicked around with, and I think most people feel the same way. Sid, I think the mods are going to hurt you more than help you...

I think Hoosier's got the best idea.....

[madmax]

Sid, if you want to make some money, do what you are doing but do it in a different way. Do your own design, use hard to find woods and do it to perfection. People will pay out the ass for super quality workmanship and an idea they can support. It's all about marketing after that. Lets say you did a re-make of the 1C's, super dead design, custom woods and an advertisement that kills. I would be interested. It all has to be done to perfection though. Absolute perfection that I want but can't get anywhere else.
madmax

[amulford]

Sid, I don't want you to take this wrong, what max sys is right. And to be honest with you, you aren't quite there yet.

What you have is a good idea, but you need to have better skills (not to mention tools) to pull it off. 6 coats of bedliner ain't going to make it. Neither is cedar.

Now if you could do a piano gloss black laquer with cocobola panels you could comb your hair in, you'd have something. Or Brazillian heart rosewood...

You have the enthusiasm and the right idea, but you need to sharpen the skills some first.

[Early B.]

There may be a market for speaker cabinet restoration -- i.e., getting speakers back to the way it looked when it came out of the factory, with some minor modifications like better bracing, improved spikes, different grille color, etc. What about repairing chipped veneer?

[madmax]

And to sharpen the skills I say you keep your build on. :)

Actually, subs would be a good place to start.
madmax

[unc2701]

Yeah, subs are a good place to start... also check out the single driver forums. I have yet to design a crossover that I've felt is truely up to par with something turned out by a speaker company, but there are hundreds of single driver projects out there that you can try. Just get some MDF and start screwing around. Try out Fostex and Jordan drivers.

Furthermore, if you do a search on Audiogon, you can find people who actually sell things they've built with these drivers.

Also, if you're going to go about this seriously, build & sell five of the same model and try to get sixmoons "reality check" column to review it, which is a great way to get your name out.

[VR3]

Thanks for all the opinions. Im kind of glad they are what they are - as I really dont want to get rid of them, but sometimes money speaks louder...if its there...

Me personally, I would like to do order = build. Kind of like what me and Early did, someone "orders" a speaker, I give them a time frame - it is done within that frame and Im paid by the hour (alot more than I charged Brad)... They pay for materials, etc...

That is something I would like to do, but Im unsure of how to go about getting something like that started. And I wouldnt be able to advertise to do that UNTIL I got my own table saw, there just isnt a way I could do that without my own that people cant eff with... It would also allow me to work more than 1.5 hours a day... the reason it takes so long for me to do thing is because I have to stop and take stuff to school...

I would also need a planer and a radial arm saw I suppose...bleh

That is something I plan to buy at the end of this year, a $500 or so Table saw... A drill press is also on the list, I dont need much else than that...

Thanks for the opinions, advice, etc

And it wouldnt be just speakers, anything really - stands, etc...anything...

[Early B.]

Me personally, I would like to do order = build... That is something I would like to do, but Im unsure of how to go about getting something like that started.

No, you're not unsure. You've already begun. What better place than to start right here on this forum? We order it, you build it.

I would encourage you to sell something -- sell your DT's, sell your amp, sell something to finance your wood working equipment. That way you can get started a lot faster, gain more experience, generate additional income, etc. Then you can have fun building a personal set of DIY speakers that are cost effective and will blow away any speaker you've ever owned.

For the first few made-to-order projects, you should expect to break even, but the benefit will be word-of-mouth endorsements not only on this forum, but on other audio forums where Polkies roam.

Another option is to build bookshelf speakers based on some popular kits like the EFE and a few listed on the PE forum. That way, you already know they sound good, you don't have to fool around with crossover design, and they shouldn't be too difficult to sell if the price is right.

Another option is to start with a single product such as speaker stands or audio racks. Come up with 2 or 3 simple designs and grow from there.

[VR3]

Im not in the "rush offense" just yet as far as funds go. The only way Id sell anything currently in my setup is if I wanted to upgrade/replace it.I worked far to long and hard to get the setup where it is now. Only reason I would sell the DTs if I could sell them for the price at the top of this thread. However, killer DIY speakers ARE in my future - that will be what replaces them, these enclosures I made here are the stepping stones, thats for sure...

Anyways - back on the topic at hand... I plan to spend 500-600 dollars on me a year, the rest will be going to insurance and gas, so at the end of every year, 500-600 will go to me (not counting christmas and birthday) - So eventually, I will get the table saw, drill press, radial arm saw, planer - it may just take a year or two...

But that would also mean I wont be buying any audio stuff for a few years...

The biggest problem I have with making things that arnt already ordered and materials paid for - it comes out of my pocket at first, true that it will come back later - but how much later.

Once I get the tools and a bit more skills, this will be a much more easier process.

[tryrrthg]

That is something I plan to buy at the end of this year, a $500 or so Table saw... A drill press is also on the list, I dont need much else than that...
Do yourself a favor and go to Home Depot and get the Ryboi BTS-3100 table saw. It's on clearence right now for $250. It is an absolute steal at that price (it's a steal at full price). You'll have a very hard time finding a saw with a better fence at 2 to 3 times the price. It is a fantastic saw for the money. I have one and I love it.

http://www.bt3central.com/

[VR3]

Ive always marked Ryobi down as a "cheap" brand (as in quality)... how is that saw as far as reliability, etc...

From the pic, it looks very nice (as far as the fence)...

If I went in the store, would that fence look any different? (IE: Do you have to set it up that way or does it come that way?

[tryrrthg]

Ive always marked Ryobi down as a "cheap" brand (as in quality)... how is that saw as far as reliability, etc...

From the pic, it looks very nice (as far as the fence)...

If I went in the store, would that fence look any different? (IE: Do you have to set it up that way or does it come that way?
I've always felt the same way about Ryobi but this saw has a cult following, and likely wouldn't if it didn't live up to expectations. It is highly recommened for a "beginner" saw at all the DIY forums I frequent. You'd likely have to spend $1000 or more to considerably better it.

The link I posted above will give you a ton of info on the saw. I don't know about reliability, I'm sure if there are problems you can find the parts to fix it. Just about any table saw is going to need some tune-ups.

The stock fence looks like the pic below, it is very nice, locks down very square and tight. You should at least go check it out at the store. Even the display unit I looked at the fence locked down tight and square.

http://www.homedepot.com/cmc_upload/HDUS/EN_US/asset/images/eplus/165672_4.jpg

EDIT: I forgot to comment on it's versatility. The rails slide so you can get a 30+ inch rip capacity. One of the adjustable table pieces has a hole in it to mount a router to so that you can use the table as a router table. It also has a sliding miter table, which you'd pay big bucks for on most saws.

[VR3]

Is it being discontinued....? And with what? (I noticed you said clearance)... how much does it cost new?

Im not really in a position to buy a table saw right now...so that is why I am asking - it looks like one I would like to venture into though, that is for sure.

[heiney9]

Thanks for all the opinions. Im kind of glad they are what they are - as I really dont want to get rid of them, but sometimes money speaks louder...if its there...

Me personally, I would like to do order = build. Kind of like what me and Early did, someone "orders" a speaker, I give them a time frame - it is done within that frame and Im paid by the hour (alot more than I charged Brad)... They pay for materials, etc...

That is something I would like to do, but Im unsure of how to go about getting something like that started. And I wouldnt be able to advertise to do that UNTIL I got my own table saw, there just isnt a way I could do that without my own that people cant eff with... It would also allow me to work more than 1.5 hours a day... the reason it takes so long for me to do thing is because I have to stop and take stuff to school...

I would also need a planer and a radial arm saw I suppose...bleh

That is something I plan to buy at the end of this year, a $500 or so Table saw... A drill press is also on the list, I dont need much else than that...

Thanks for the opinions, advice, etc

And it wouldnt be just speakers, anything really - stands, etc...anything...


Sid, this is exactly how people get started. You may end up finding this is your calling and not only be very happy, but make a very good living at it as well. The best advice I can give is just keep pushing forward, learn, sacrafice and never give up if this you something you want to do.

H9

[amulford]

I would also need a planer and a radial arm saw I suppose...bleh

That is something I plan to buy at the end of this year, a $500 or so Table saw... A drill press is also on the list, I dont need much else than that...


And it wouldnt be just speakers, anything really - stands, etc...anything...

You don't need a radial. You can build a jig for the tablesaw to do it's job. Think about clamps, maybe a small oiless compressor and HVLP spray gun.

[VR3]

I am slowly collecting clamps, Im up to six as of right now, I hope to have 10 or more before long...

I was under the impression you cant cross cut on a table saw (solid wood), or is that just with the fence?

[amulford]

That's just w/ a fence. Actually you can use the fence as a stop, but you need to put a block on it so the stock is not touching while it is cut.

If you build a jig, you can control it better and be more accurate, no drifting out of square...

[VR3]

Is there a special type of blade for cross-cutting...or would taping the grain just work? I crosscutted plywood beyond, and even when I taped it, the grain still splitted ocassionally...

[amulford]

Smaller teeth and zero clearance inserts, if it's that bad. Or be sure to face up the piece, any chipout will be on the back...

Edit: BTW- it's crosscut, not crosscutted. Add a thesarus of common woodworking terms to the list ;)

[VR3]

"I crosscut plywood before"

"I crosscutted plywood before"

B sounds better to me.. ;) I crosscut plywood sounds like Im making a statement or Im telling what my job is...... I crosscutted plywood sounds like I did it... lol

What are Zero clearance inserts?

[amulford]

Phenolic resin inserts you put in the table. Then you raise the blade while the saw is running, and it cuts through. No gap around the blade.

Stick to the wood, son. You ain't gonna be no English professor...

[VR3]

Ah...

nope, I aint none of dat der english teach person I tell ya...

But seriously, how is it crosscut when its a past-tense use? (scratches head)

[amulford]

it's one of those exceptions.

[VR3]

Freaking english.

[Mazeroth]

Just found this thread...

Sid, I, too, admire your enthusiasm. I wish I had found out about DiYing speakers at your age, but it took me until I was almost 24 before I got into it. Once you start, there's no turning back.

As far as that Ryobi, jump on it. I purchased one a few weeks back and am waiting for the weather to get a little bit warmer so I can finally use it to build my new dipole speakers. I research long and hard before making a purchase, and I had no doubts when I purchased that saw. From all I've read, it's a killer.

Lastly, if you do sell your DTs, don't pick up a pair of LSi15s, even though I absolutely love those speakers. Instead, build a highly regarded DiY tower speaker that will cost about half as much as the LSi15s and will sound better (to most). A good place for plans are in the "stickies" at this site:

http://www.htguide.com/forum/forumdisplay.php4?f=6

If you have ANY questions about DiY speakers, feel free to PM me.

[VR3]

Mazzy Dodazzy...do you have a messenger...?

You would be so cool to talk to on a messenger instantaniously (I bet thats spelled wrong).

yeah, as I got to thinking about it - DIY would be my route if/when I get rid of my DTs. Chances are I will always have my lil BP10B somewhere, I hope I dont have to sell it - but if someone wants to pay 1 grand for em, they are gone. Thats the only way though.

I hear you about the weather man... It was so cold this morning and we were outside pouring concrete... my toes and nose abandoned me...

[Mazeroth]

I have a cell phone with free nights and weekends. Shoot me your number and a good time to call and I can help you out.

[VR3]

Ah, whats your email?

I really should turn on the PM feature... but I really got tired of people PMing me... lol

[Mazeroth]

(my name) at gmail.com (just in case there's a forum bot searching for emails)

[VR3]

you got mail...

Assuming you mean Mazeroth at the site you mentioned...lol

[unc2701]

Or you can make your own zero clearance insert by cutting a small block of wood in the same shape as the current insert and raising the blade through it. Just don't try to change the angle with it in there...

[amulford]

Then you better get a planer to plane it doen to the correct thickness. It will stick up and make a rather hazardous situation. By then it will be so thin it would probably break and create another hazard. Stick w/ buying them...

[VR3]

Huh?

Im confused about that last post....

[amulford]

You don't want to make your own zero clearance insert