We need a "High END" thread for audio nut heads.

[P-Town Polk]

This may sound like jibberish but I think that if a high end thread was created for the high end audio owners who have took out a second mogtage to buy their sound system they would all get along better. I have a mid system so i would stay out but when looking for advice in the forum or reading threads for fun I find many of these people giving advice that dosent suit the question. example...." no, no dont get the R-series, get the LSI's you will be much more happy with them." Even if I had all the money in the world which would also mean that I would have to work more and not have time in the middle of the day to chat about speakers???.....I would not buy the LSi's. Maybe if I have been saving for the last ten years slowly building my sytem and not eating, then it may be ok. I think that the HIGH end owners have more in common (if you have not already notice they kind of have a club already) and a seperate thread in the sub-category listings would make them feel more at home. I respect many intellegent audio owners on this forum, but some are down right full of them selves with their HIGH end that they come off snoby with unrealistic advice. You dont see honda civic owners chatting on forums when they own a Bently GT, what do they have in common....130 HP to 500 HP!!

Just my two cents...VOTE FOR A SEPERATE HIGH END THREAD!!

[steveinaz]

It's a problem with ALL forums. People will ask how to do something, and inevitably someone will chime in with "why do you want to do that? Why don't you do this?" instead of just answering the question...

Here's a common one:
"Hey guys, I want to bi-wire, what cable should I use?"
Reply:
"Why bi-wire?, it's a waste of time."

[P-Town Polk]

you hit it on the nose, I hate that.

[danger boy]

a high end thread might be a good idea. but where do you draw the line on what's average and what's high end? Price tag or soundwise, which would determine the cut off?

who determines what's high end? Esoteric components? or unfamiliar names of gear?

I'm not trying to kill your idea before it gets started.. i'm just trying to figure out what would be considered high end gear.

ok, bye

[reeltrouble1]

P-Town,

We allow for eating, other available funds should be used to buy audio gear and pay the electric bill unless you use batteries, you can waste whatever monies are left over from that on other sundries.;) :p :D

RT1

[P-Town Polk]

low/mid level would be BB and CC gear, yes and even tweeter. In polk I suggest LSI-high end, rti's mid (some people think low now???) and monitor/r series mid to low. When looking at a set up you can kinda of tell...

The funny part would be when they do have the thread to mingle about them selves they probably will leave being so bored that a lot of their gear is equal and they will have no one to be motherly like to.

I think theres a huge line between High End and mid gear. I will admit though that i have seen some pictures of peoples set up and give them props. Some have a dedicated theater room which if you can afford that then you better have very HIGH end.. Theater room= padded walls, special lighting, theater seats...not your extra bedroom turned into a audio room.

[nebborjk]

my 2 cents..

This is a forum for any and all Polk speaker owner's and enthusiast.

If you don't want LSi suggestions when seaking advice on the R series perhaps you could state your budget in the origainal post or state that you are only interested in the R series, and so on.

....FWIW

[RuSsMaN]

We have high end threads all the time, check out the 2ch forum.

[P-Town Polk]

for sho Real trouble. I think my point was that some high end owners are very biased towards newbies, and give unrealistic advice.

my favorite: " I'm looking for a good dvd player that wont break the bank?"
response..." Pioneer makes a good elite dvd player but its considered mid level, it cost around 1000 bucks, but if you want something a LITTLE better i would get....for 2000 bucks.

what the?

[mldennison]

my favorite: " I'm looking for a good dvd player that wont break the bank?"
response..." Pioneer makes a good elite dvd player but its considered mid level, it cost around 1000 bucks, but if you want something a LITTLE better i would get....for 2000 bucks.

well the problem with that is that "break the bank" is not specific at all. to some, $2000 is more than they will spend on audio in their lives while to others it is perfectly reasonable for a dvd player. someone responding to your post has no idea which one of those people you are unless you post your budget in your post. since there are people in both of these categories on this board i think your best bet is to post a budget to guide people on what to recommend for you. do that and i think you will find the advice you get is perfectly resonable for you. at least that has been my experience.

[F1nut]

It's a subjective hobby and as such all shared info should be welcome whether it applies to you or not.

[cfrizz]

I couldn't agree more!!

I don't believe in segregation.


It's a subjective hobby and as such all shared info should be welcome whether it applies to you or not.

[shack]

Bad idea!

[Shizelbs]

Not necessary. If someone doesn't want high end options, then either specify so, or politely ignore them.

A forum is no fun if the ideas and suggestions are limited and not free to grow.

[TroyD]

Applaud the effort but bad idea.

Stratification is one of the main reasons that the high end is having the woes that it does. For audio to survive and thrive, it's got to embrace the masses. If this means answering rudimentary (to some) questions/post for the nth time, so be it.

BDT

[heiney9]

It's a subjective hobby and as such all shared info should be welcome whether it applies to you or not.

I agree here.

The problem with most posters, which most times happen to be noob's, is they are not specific enough in asking the question. The key with any communication, wether it be here or face to face, is to be specific about what you want to know. Also, far too many times people should do bit of research ahead of time, like using the search function. That way maybe they can formulate specific questions rather than general questions. How many which receiver should I choose? threads have we had lately? All pretty much covering the same receivers and the same questions. Interaction is great but when it gets repetative, it becomes mundane. There is no need for a hi-end forum as only a few of us could really participate, IMO.

H9

[Nelson57]

My RTis are HIGH end compared to the HTIB I used to have.

[Shizelbs]

Beauty post Troy

[ohskigod]

Its Odd, I dont think there is too much of a price difference between the LSi and RTi. I mean yeah, of course there is a difference, but isnt MSRP on a pair of LSi15's just a little more than MSRP on a pair of RTi12's?

You can do all new gear with a reciever and all RTi, or go with a reciever with preouts, used seperate amplification and some LSi's and possible spend the same or a skosh more (especially if you go LSi9 instead of 15). If its out of the budget, so be it. I'm all about budget, I've been there. and since I bought a house, I'm still there! :p

anyway, I dont think the difference constitutes snobbery, perhaps looking into whether you can piece something together with LSi for a little more if the budget can be eeked. If not, RTi all day, its a great line in my eyes.

my .02

[jayman_1975]

i somewhat agree with this idea of having a high-end thread. I'm a new polk owner and in my small town and surrounding area, the only polk line i saw for sale was the monitors. I bought a set up and was totally thrilled with the crispness and clarity of them. Before i bought them i didn't know anything about Polk. Since then i have come on here and have gotten the idea that my new speakers are bottom line junk and i honestly feel like i'm driving a winter beater instead of the hotrod that i thought i was...hehe. I did upgrade my panasonic reciever to a Denon 3805 and i really hope no-one is going to dump on it too much.

[mantis]

low/mid level would be BB and CC gear, yes and even tweeter. In polk I suggest LSI-high end, rti's mid (some people think low now???) and monitor/r series mid to low. When looking at a set up you can kinda of tell...

The funny part would be when they do have the thread to mingle about them selves they probably will leave being so bored that a lot of their gear is equal and they will have no one to be motherly like to.

I think theres a huge line between High End and mid gear. I will admit though that i have seen some pictures of peoples set up and give them props. Some have a dedicated theater room which if you can afford that then you better have very HIGH end.. Theater room= padded walls, special lighting, theater seats...not your extra bedroom turned into a audio room.

Just to chime in on this point, Tweeter isn't low end, actually they carry Martin Logan, Krell, Audioquest, Focal and even Lsi. these are not Low end .

Dan

[zombie boy 2000]

as for yours truly, i always enjoy hearing what the elders of hi-fi have to say regarding their rigs -- even if their's and mine are in two different leagues
the reason for this is plain and simple, there are certain universals that seem to run through most audio discussions, so if so-so Joe b. Audiophile gained something from keeping his/her Athenas away from an open flame, this same concept and/or course of action might benefit my two folger cans attached to a piece of a string:D
i've made a slew of improvements on my modest set-up reading the LSi threads (arguably moreso than reading those with similar set-ups)
.... and not once has anyone taken the proverbial axe to my gear
keep on talkin' and when i up there with 'ya (one piece at a time mindya), i'll start chimin':)
until then....

[TroyD]

Tweeter is midfi. One step above CC and BB.

Deal with it.

BDT

[Dennis Gardner]

Now thats the attitude! ZB 2000..........all of us here have been at different levels of understanding of audio and budget constraints (5 kids in da' house)and snobbery only comes from forgetting where you came from.

My only advice is never give up on the gear you want and buy wise. Great audio doesn't go out of style.

[mantis]

when building a system, you must consider your budget.You also gotta consider the gear you already own and want to play nice with other gear you seek advise in buying.

Like the comment about the Pioneer Elite DVD player. This DVD play maybe in someones opnion the right choice for the system you already own. If you have a really nice tv, then this DVD player will do it justice. If you have a not so good tv, buying the Pioneer Elite will be for now a waste of money. Synergy is key.

Owning Lsi speakers requires matching gear. You need the correct gear to power them. Higher fidelity is the goal of most when seeking a product like the Lsi so why not have the gear around it to support what they can do.

If the R series is what you own, there is no difference here. Just like the Lsi speakers, the R series speakers require gear thats going to match them. Using something not as good will yield poor performance. Using something out of it's class is a waste of money.

My advise to you is when you ask a question, be specific. People need alot of info in order to help. If you ask a general question about a dvd player, your going to get a general answer. Pioneer Elite isn't the highest of high end, to alot there a mid fi product. Even 2000.00 dollar players are not expensive to alot of people. it's about what the value of that product is to them. To some a 99.99 dollar player is breaking the bank, and then some 20,000.00 is.

Do you understand?

Dan

[amulford]

Have to agree. Some of us have a different perspective now. If you are specific with your question, you'll get an answer more in line.

[danger boy]

my 2 ch SRS rig is not high end. it's all older stuff, but with the right marriage of components and cables, it sounds close to high end. I just re-added the tube DAC, and the bass is so much better now.

High end? To most people it isn't.. to me. it's the highest i can afford right now.

[George Grand]

High-end is in the ear of the beholder. You want high-end? Buy the best you can afford. That is your high-end. If you want it to REMAIN your high-end, don't post on audio forums, cause somebody is going to come along and call your stuff mid-fi. This is all very simple.

[Joey_V]

Troy,

I dont know why/how you think Tweeter is midfi... but I dont believe so.

They can put in an order for ANY krell set and ANY Focal set and ANY Martin Logan set (even the Statements @ $130K). Sure they dont display much (other than the entry Krells, ML Vantage, Summits, and 918Be).... but I think that Tweeter as a whole is way more than midfi. Unless you consider spending more than a car for a speaker pair the minimum for hifi.

Anyway, regarding the HiFi thread, I wouldnt mind it.... although I see how it could segregate and add stratification when none is needed. I will just wait and see how this turns out.

My thoughts are that there will be no "hifi" forum....

[SKsolutions]

Some great posts.

If this thread provides no other benefit, it certainly reafirms 'The Forum's" reason for being here. The resultant discussion and education stimulates interest.

[Drumingman]

And I didn't even have to use the "Search" to find this.

[Drumingman]

Yes, We need an exclusive Hi end room. They can sit in there and eat their snack cakes and keep all their audio gear and advice to themselves. The rest of us can have some chips and listen to our "R and Monitor Series" and think "I'm The King of the World". Really, There is no need for this segregation, this is a forum for "All Polk Owners". But as the old saying goes, ones man's ceiling is another man's floor.

[wingnut4772]

I am not sure high end would include any Polk Audio products. I love my LSIs but I would not consider that high end but with that said, I wouldn't mind a little walk on the other side.

[F1nut]

Here's an idea, let's have a low-fi section, a mid-fi section and a hi-fi section, so that noone has to deal with the other if they don't want to. Pretty ridiculous, eh!?!









Joey,

Not to answer for Troy, but if you ever walked into a real high end store, you'd understand why Tweeter is mid-fi. I'm sure Troy didn't mean to offend anyone with his comment, nor do I.

[Dennis Gardner]

Ford isn't a hi-end sports car company, but I did sit in a Ford GT in their showroom.

I think that the attitude that naturally comes with knowledge is what is sometimes offensive and just as I have found out throughout life a great understanding of anything specific, like audio, leaves little room for such an understanding of people. As our knowledge grows our tolerance shrinks.

[speakergeek]

Knowledge without wisdom is folly.

[steveinaz]

High-end is in the ear of the beholder. You want high-end? Buy the best you can afford. That is your high-end. If you want it to REMAIN your high-end, don't post on audio forums, cause somebody is going to come along and call your stuff mid-fi. This is all very simple.

Ed fucking Zachry

People in hi-fi get a little egotistical when they reach a point in life where they can afford the rediculous...that doesn't make your system "mid-fi." The term "mid-fi" was put in place to justify the existence of $25,000 pieces of equipment. Self-righteous bullshit in it's best form. One of the biggest ploys in marketing is to make you feel insecure about what you have...

[George Grand]

My prince has come. FINALLY...... someone who almost understands me.

[steveinaz]

I am not sure high end would include any Polk Audio products. I love my LSIs but I would not consider that high end but with that said, I wouldn't mind a little walk on the other side.

What makes you think your Lsi's aren't high-end audio? people get too caught up in the money factor. Hey, you can spend $650,000 on a Ferrari Testarosa, or you can spend $65,000 on a Corvette and whip it's ass any number of ways...it's your dime, the rest is hype.

[steveinaz]

My prince has come. FINALLY...... someone who almost understands me.

Baby, we're blue-collar audio nuts, thats all. :D

[cfrizz]

Thank you George & Steve!!!! The problem is EGO! If everyone could just check them @ the forum door everything would be fine.

I have a pretty good idea who has some high end stuff, but I have never heard it from them! But more importantly, they NEVER put down anyone else's system.

They try to encourage people to get the best that they can afford & will be happy with, without trying to put them down to make themselves feel important & self satisfied.

This is supposed to be a hobby that we ALL enjoy & want to learn more about. Not a contest of who has the biggest baddest system known to humanity.

Or to put it bluntly: GET OVER YOURSELVES!:p :D

[steveinaz]

What kills me is people will drone on and on about a 8 watt tube amp at .8% distortion (and that's fine, inaudible for most) but in the same breath they'll say a $1000 SS amp is "mid-fi.....it's "ok" for an entry level system"---give me a frickin' break. Pull your snobby-ass head out of anus and get a clue.

[cfrizz]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! OMG you just nearly made me break a rib Steve!!!:D


What kills me is people will drone on and on about a 8 watt tube amp at .8% distortion (and that's fine, inaudible for most) but in the same breath they'll say a $1000 SS amp is "mid-fi.....it's "ok" for an entry level system"---give me a frickin' break. Pull your snobby-ass head out of anus and get a clue.

[wingnut4772]

What makes you think your Lsi's aren't high-end audio? people get too caught up in the money factor. Hey, you can spend $650,000 on a Ferrari Testarosa, or you can spend $65,000 on a Corvette and whip it's ass any number of ways...it's your dime, the rest is hype.

Because I have listened to 'higher end' speakers (Sonus Faber) and if I could have afforded them at the time I would have bought them over the LSIs. I chose to go with the LSIs because I felt that they offered the best sound for the money ..... but I still dream of the Sonus Fabers...and those are still considered mid-fi by some audio snobs (The Grand Pianos).

I do believe though that there is a lot of marketing hype out there with a lot of BS but I think that true high end does exist as well.

[mantis]

Tweeter is midfi. One step above CC and BB.

Deal with it.

BDT

When did Krell, Focal Jm labs and Martin Logan get out of High end??? Is there something your not telling me or did I miss something?

Dan

[steveinaz]

Because I have listened to 'higher end' speakers (Sonus Faber) and if I could have afforded them at the time I would have bought them over the LSIs. I chose to go with the LSIs because I felt that they offered the best sound for the money ..... but I still dream of the Sonus Fabers...and those are still considered mid-fi by some audio snobs (The Grand Pianos).

I do believe though that there is a lot of marketing hype out there with a lot of BS but I think that true high end does exist as well.

What you heard was a "different speaker" not necessarily higher end. Different tonal signature that just happens to cost more...No doubt Sonus Faber builds a fine speaker, but talk to someone with Wilson watt puppy's and Sonus Faber will be quickly relegated to mid-fi again, get my point? Where does it end? How much does it cost for manufacturers to build a "cost-no-object" speaker; I bet it would shock people; I'll bet it isn't 10% of the price of admission....

[venomclan]

High end is such a relative term. What does it mean? Exotic? Limited? Expensive? Sure all those things. But Status is the most defining. There are too many people out there willing to spend 10 times what others pay just to get that extra 5% better performance. This is the same in every industry. To some people, the guy with the Ferrari is low end, to others the Mustang owner is wealthy. The smallest run down house on my block starts at $400K. In the midwest that will get you an 8000sqft mansion, in CA a 1 bedroom condo in a bad neighborhood. Status is what people believe will seperate themselves from others.

The funny thing about audio is that it is all subjective. Who can really say that one system sounds better than another for all applications? In all environments. There is night and day differences, but once you get to a certain level the laws of dimishing returns always comes into play. I love it when the guys in Stereophile review a $30K tonearm and still find faults with it.
Venom

[shack]

I know Hi-Fi when I hear it.

[steveinaz]

..and by the way, can someone quote the specs for "mid-fi" while we're at it...I'd just like to know exactly what it is that makes a system mid-fi...anyone? Anyone got those specs handy?

...that's what I thought.

[shack]

I'd just like to know exactly what it is that makes a system mid-fi
It's the gear between Hi-Fi and Lo-Fi.

[cfrizz]

:D That's because it's not specs that makes the determination, it's MONEY!:rolleyes:


..and by the way, can someone quote the specs for "mid-fi" while we're at it...I'd just like to know exactly what it is that makes a system mid-fi...anyone? Anyone got those specs handy?

...that's what I thought.

[wingnut4772]

I think Hi Fi is the pricey stuff that is worth it. Not just hi priced crap but the gear that is the tried and true and you get what you pay for. Marketplace, economy and inflation determines if Hi Fi is $2000, $5000, $10,000 or more for a pair of speakers

[F1nut]

I know Hi-Fi when I hear it.

Bingo was his name.

[TroyD]

What's the point of getting pissy over what constitutes hifi/midfi/lowfi??

If you are happy w/your gear does it REALLY matter?

If you've ever been to a real high end shop, you'll know why Tweeter ain't it. Not a slap, but it is what it is.

BDT

[W WALDECKER]

Baby, we're blue-collar audio nuts, thats all. :D I agree Steve,High End is in the eye of the beholder. i have been thru quite a few pieces of gear in the past few years which was part of a learning experience for me. i listened to suggestions from time to time on this forum and other forums as well, but i mainly try to buy gear that sounds good to my own ears and works well with the rest of my system. i am very happy with the sound of my current system. i mainly post on the two channel forum and if a high end forum was created i would still stay on the two channel forum.whats a audio nut head ? thanks...WCW III

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Tweeter aint NOTHIN...

I went in a shop 3 stories under ground in a room that costed $500,000! Completely suspended from the building - UNDER GROUND. Completely soundproof, vibration proof. Each room had its on setup with NO MORE than 2 pairs of speakers. Tube amps, the works.

THAT was an awesome store.

[TroyD]

When did Krell, Focal Jm labs and Martin Logan get out of High end??? Is there something your not telling me or did I miss something?

Dan

Oh, Jeezuz Dan, put down the box cutter, already. I'm not insulting your manhood here.

C'mon, each of these companies have gear that runs the gamut from midfi on up. At your average Tweeter, you aren't seeing the 'statement' products. That's a fact, jack.

Go visit Sound by Singer (or whatever the name is) in NYC, then go to your local Tweeter and tell me the difference.

BDT

[RuSsMaN]

Low fi is off the shelf, brick and mortar common man gear. It makes sound, but nothing to paint on the side of your plane, or write home to mom about.

Mid fi is esoteric, speciality shop / mail order stuff - and you'll end up at 95-98% of what is the perfect sound (for your ears).

High end costs a ton, but the last 2% usually does.

That's how I see it anyway. Proper mid fi can make you cry. High end will move your bowels.

Steve, you of all people should know not to get wrapped up in specs. It's all about the sound broham.

Cheers,
Russ

[dorokusai]

If you order it from a online catalog, it isn't high-end.

[Early B.]

The term, "hi-end" for any product category implies an extremely high price tag, regardless of whether the product is actually better than a similar one at a fraction of the cost.

Therefore, no one on this forum has hi-end gear.

[unc2701]

As for tweeter, I walked in and asked if they had a phono stage. Blank stares all around. Phono preamp? You know how a turntable needs a special input on a receiver? Blank stares.

This I expect at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. At a High end shop, on the other hand, you'd have a dozen choices. Tweeter's not high end. They might be able to get the good gear, but so what?

[Zero]

Before I got myself into this hobby, I always thought 'hi-fi' was just a way of describing a product of true excellence. I felt hi-fi were electronics that showcased what certain technology and design is capable of. "Hi Fi" simply referred to products that brought out the best performance possible within a certain style or genre.

[Joey_V]

As for tweeter, I walked in and asked if they had a phono stage. Blank stares all around. Phono preamp? You know how a turntable needs a special input on a receiver? Blank stares.

This I expect at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. At a High end shop, on the other hand, you'd have a dozen choices. Tweeter's not high end. They might be able to get the good gear, but so what?

Good point... I suppose the store itself isnt hifi.

[StopherJJ1980]

I think that this isnt neccesarily a hi-fi versus mid/low-fi issue. I think it is a matter of how a lot of questions or issues are addressed on this forum.

It seems that the #1 response you are going to get with most posts is "Throw money at it". This can be seen in many forms as "Upgrade..." "More power..." "Seperates..." "Bigger sub..." etc. etc. A less common answer that I see here is to deal with issues in the listening room which are cheaper to fix (usually) and have the most impact (usually).

So in general I think we should strive to answer questions directly and tell people how to work with the equipment they have if that is what they are asking. IMHO, telling people to upgrade to this or that is kind of a copout answer because of course that will always make an improvement. It takes a little more thought and effort to think out some more creative solutions.

Thats my two cents :)

[StopherJJ1980]

Oh and my two cents on Tweeter (or Showcase as its called by me)...

It's range-y... Some mid... Some hi... It is what it is. Some people need to be a little less sensitive about their precious "HiFi" label. It comes off as snobby when you become elitist and offended when someone says something is high quality and you vehemently disagree.

[TroyD]

While I would agree that room treatments will have at least an equally profound effect on sound, for a myriad of reasons (spouses and major construction among them), it's also one of the more difficult areas to tackle.

In general though, I think mosts questions are answered thoughtfully....

BDT

[steveinaz]

Steve, you of all people should know not to get wrapped up in specs. It's all about the sound broham.

Cheers,
Russ

Absolutely, I was just trying to make a point...

[reeltrouble1]

There are several members who have what is considered high-end gear, they dont really talk about it in terms of the dollars they spent, they have tried their best to help people get their own learn on providing advice, lending specific knowledge and so on. They will invite you to come listen if you show the inclination.

How about we have a no whining forum.

RT1

[ND13]

Ughh!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[cfrizz]

For not knowing what something that has been working on becoming obsolete since the invention of the CD?

I have a turntable. It is 25 yrs old:eek: It has only seen sporadic use for the last 20 yrs!

They probably wouldn't have a clue what 8 track tape decks were either.:D Anyone here got one of those? I have personally never seen one, so I don't even know what it looks like!:D


As for tweeter, I walked in and asked if they had a phono stage. Blank stares all around. Phono preamp? You know how a turntable needs a special input on a receiver? Blank stares.

This I expect at Best Buy, Circuit City, etc. At a High end shop, on the other hand, you'd have a dozen choices. Tweeter's not high end. They might be able to get the good gear, but so what?

[steveinaz]

Cathy,
When I was 10, I got a Lloyds 8 track player w/speakers for Christmas. That was my first "stereo." I thought it was really cool because it had a tone control...LOL!!!

[shack]

How about we have a no whining forum.

RT1

Now there's a concept! http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/images/icons/icon14.gif

[cfrizz]

WAAAA!!!:D Heck until I went to PF 2005 I had never seen a Reel to Reel player either! Thanks Ken!!! LOL:D


Cathy,
When I was 10, I got a Lloyds 8 track player w/speakers for Christmas. That was my first "stereo." I thought it was really cool because it had a tone control...LOL!!!

[P-Town Polk]

I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.

My 2 cent.....

[ND13]

I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.

My 2 cent.....

?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Willow]

I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.

My 2 cent.....
That comment is the most ridiculous thing I have heard !

I joined to lie about all I have and to rub it in everyone's face !;) :eek:

[cfrizz]

P-Town, there is NO need to call anyone on here a liar! Unless we all start posting our W2's we have no way of knowing who can afford what. You also have no way of know how much was paid for anything by anybody. Nor should it matter.

We are all decent, hardworking people who are into audio. Yes sometimes egos get a little big & it seems like people are being uppity. However for the most part we simply are sharing our opinions and information with each other so that we can all learn & continue to grow in this crazy hobby of ours!


I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.

My 2 cent.....

[louhamilton]

They probably wouldn't have a clue what 8 track tape decks were either.:D Anyone here got one of those? I have personally never seen one, so I don't even know what it looks like!:D

My first car, a 1969 Cadillac Eldorado, had a built-in stock 8-Track player with the Cadillac symbol on the door and everything. Did I ever use it? No. My parents did have some 8-tracks, but I never really listened to them.

I wish I still had my parents vinyl collection. Unfortunately, most of them got warped in their attic and are ruined. Anyway, I don't have a platter to play them on anyway right now.

-Lou

[P-Town Polk]

I think my problem is with forums in general. I have surfed many forums in my time and curious look at posts to gain info. It always seem that there are a bunch of say 20 memebrs that are on everyday all day, and i dont get it. Also the way people talk to each other, its like a electronic gang. Some body gets a buddy on this forum and when comments are made about a topic they hold hands till death do them part. we have all seen it. I really enjoy this forum for info on speakers and general audio set ups.....but sometimes the regulars chime in and act as if they need red carpet.....you guys should really see some of the bashing that goes on here on this forum. I have only made 30 posts in my lifetime on this forum but before i joined I browsed a lot on this forum to help me set up my system. My downfall was asking a question.......Think about what kind of posts get the most attention on this forum. Im sure the vets will not agree, but i know for sure that there is a lot of newbies that feel the sameway. I've seen newbies pushed off because of "SOME" rude vets harrassing them.

check at the first part of the thread about the conversation on tweeter being hi fi or not.
In general people have the right to disagree, but also that person needs to respect the others opinon. I thougt profanity was not allowed on this forum?

thanks for all your help, or atleast the ones that were truthful...NAD,RT1,russ(not russman), and a few others.

A lot of vets will probably laughat this and say ....how stupid, but we have all thought about it once or twice.

[P-Town Polk]

JUST MY 2 CENTS...., forums really are not my style, people act ALOT DIFFERENT when on the computer than in person to person. IM out, sent a message to the moderator to disable my account!

yes and good bye to you also.

I'm already seeing sarcastic remarks to this post.

[RuSsMaN]

?????:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Ed Zachry.

[wingnut4772]

I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.


OK you caught me red handed. This is my real system. I am so ashamed:o

[Willow]

JUST MY 2 CENTS...., forums really are not my style, people act ALOT DIFFERENT when on the computer than in person to person. IM out, sent a message to the moderator to disable my account!

yes and good bye to you also.

I'm already seeing sarcastic remarks to this post.

Don't stay so long next time

[cfrizz]

P-Town, I understand where you are coming from and I agree that it does happen. However, that has nothing whatsoever to do with you questioning/doubting what gear anyone has.

Believe it or not, it used to be alot worse!:D The board however, is changing & growing & people are adapting to those changes INCLUDING the VETS!

Those vets have a lot of knowledge, and the majority are more than willing to share it politely. It is pretty easy to spot those that don't, & then you make a decision whether or not you choose to read their posts.

One thing I have learned is that you can't be TOO sensitive, & that the ignore feature is the best thing on the board!


I think my problem is with forums in general. I have surfed many forums in my time and curious look at posts to gain info. It always seem that there are a bunch of say 20 memebrs that are on everyday all day, and i dont get it. Also the way people talk to each other, its like a electronic gang. Some body gets a buddy on this forum and when comments are made about a topic they hold hands till death do them part. we have all seen it. I really enjoy this forum for info on speakers and general audio set ups.....but sometimes the regulars chime in and act as if they need red carpet.....you guys should really see some of the bashing that goes on here on this forum. I have only made 30 posts in my lifetime on this forum but before i joined I browsed a lot on this forum to help me set up my system. My downfall was asking a question.......Think about what kind of posts get the most attention on this forum. Im sure the vets will not agree, but i know for sure that there is a lot of newbies that feel the sameway. I've seen newbies pushed off because of "SOME" rude vets harrassing them.

check at the first part of the thread about the conversation on tweeter being hi fi or not.
In general people have the right to disagree, but also that person needs to respect the others opinon. I thougt profanity was not allowed on this forum?

thanks for all your help, or atleast the ones that were truthful...NAD,RT1,russ(not russman), and a few others.

A lot of vets will probably laughat this and say ....how stupid, but we have all thought about it once or twice.

[heiney9]

OK you caught me red handed. This is my real system. I am so ashamed:o

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! LMAO!! :D :D :D

[shack]

I'm already seeing sarcastic remarks to this post.
I have no intention of making a sarcastic remark. It will be straightforward and to the point.

You are an idiot and a troll. Whether you leave or not does not matter to me since the ignore function works very well. Good-bye.

[RuSsMaN]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Where do these lunatics come from?

[heiney9]

P-Town, Just as you are free to express yourself how you see fit, the same goes for the rest of us. It's very simple.....if you don't get any satisfaction being here and participating, just stop coming here. Your little diatribe isn't going to change a thing. Perhaps you are having a bad day (we all do) or you're just not in tune with how things run here. Nothing wrong with that, but you've had your say, now move along if this public forum doesn't work for you. No one is going to pat you on the back say "it's ok, we'll try to do it the way you want".

H9

[W WALDECKER]

I wonder how many people on this forum really have what they say.......Im still trying to correlate chating online in the middle of the day and owning a 30,000 system or even more. messed up priorites or really lucky. I have seen some pics of system set ups so im sure it is a very small amount....but i know your out there.

My 2 cent.....Why would someone lie about what gear they have in thier system ? if someone has a modest $500.00 system or a $30.000 audio rig what does it matter ? this is a forum that has folks from all walks of life and everyone brings something different to the table. stick around and if you pay close attention you will see that sometimes members argue with each other. sometimes they just agree to disagree and often what may appear on the surface to be a attack on someone is in reality just a good natured Ribbing among friends.in the real word just as on this forum some folks cant stand each other and never did and never will get along. if you cant stand the heat get out of the kitchen!:rolleyes: thanks....WCW III

[Maestro]

I love my gear! At least it's better than Bose!!

There - I've said it; I got it out of my system. I feel so much better!

[criverajr]

I think P-town needs to look at a recent post of someone dissing someone 's system modest or not we came to that persons defense, I have the means thank God to own some very nice gear but I also like and will always dig Polk, H-fi or not my Lsi' series speakers are very very Hi-fi in my opinion, and in the long run, that is the only one that should matter, to me at least.


CRj

[ohskigod]

I dont get it, to me, interacting in a forum, your going to run into many different types of people with different views. Just like life.

I cant figure out why P-town snapped. of course people seem different in a forum then in real life. its because typing on a computer and talking in person are 2 completly different forms of communication.

eh, whatcha gonna do.

My friends look at my stuff and think its huge Hi-Fi. some here will call it midfi (at best :D) I call it Lou-Fi, and its all that matters to me.

my generally worthless .02

[George Grand]

Hey you guys and gal......... I'M NOT ME!!!!!!!

[TroyD]

George, that's a pretty elaborate ruse you've constructed there. How did you get the cardboard cutouts to look so lifelike??

Sounds like someone didn't take thier medication today.

BDT

[George Grand]

By making sure the cardboard cut-outs didn't drink beer either. And a lot of head grease.

[cfrizz]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!:D

Well you better go find him, cause I'm rather partial to him!!! PRONTO!:p :D


Hey you guys and gal......... I'M NOT ME!!!!!!!

[SKsolutions]

Wow, I thought Hi-Fi was what you called your stereo in the 60's if you were lucky enough to have one.

If you asked someone who wasn't into audio what "Hi-Fi" was, they would answer either the ubiquitous "High Fidelity", or "it's a stereo".


Thorazine anyone?

[F1nut]

Another definition of hi-fi. Hi-fi is what you own, mid-fi is what all your friends own. :D

PTP seems to have issues, none of which can be solved by us. Bye!

[Joey_V]

Another definition of hi-fi. Hi-fi is what you own, mid-fi is what all your friends own. :D

PTP seems to have issues, none of which can be solved by us. Bye!

In that case... I'm hifi and you're all midfi! Yessss..... ownage. :cool:

[F1nut]

The only problem there Joey is that we're not friends.

OWNED!

[TheReaper]

The only problem there Joey is that we're not friends.
My impression of Joey's good taste, just doubled. :D

[Joey_V]

The only problem there Joey is that we're not friends.

OWNED!


Oooh.... that was a burn!

[F1nut]

I made it clear via PM to Joey, it was only a joke. We're good.

[Mike Sedai]

I am rather new to these forums, but I have been a mod and a heavy poster on a film site for a few years, so i wanted to comment a bit on the forum thing.

First of all, to exist on any forum, one should grow somewhat thick skin. As someone stated above, all sorts of folk come to these places for all different reasons, and , as the old saying goes, put any seven people together, two are bound to hate one another. I think you folks have more than seven members. Forums require a certain mindset, as well as a certain amount of distance if one is to co-exist with a vast userbase of nameless, faceless people from all over the globe.

That said, I think it's also up to each person to remember that they ARE using a medium in which it is easy to slip into vituperative language, because the people are really nameless and faceless. Sometimes it just doesn't seem like your talking to people at all, but more venting to yourself in your head. I find it takes about 10 seconds to relax, think about what is going on, and get back to valid discussion.

nuff said

.M

[SKsolutions]

Those Boston people are like wicked smahrt.

[cfrizz]

Nice post Mike.

[amulford]

What the f#ck does vituperative mean???:D :D :D

[F1nut]

Abusive

[DarqueKnight]

I have always found it profitable, figuratively and literally, to distinguish between true "high end" products and those that are manufactured for the "carriage trade" (i.e. wealthy consumers). Carriage trade goods may or may not have a level of quality that justifies their high price.

For me, high end is not a matter of price, but of performance. The standard I use to categorize gear into low, medium, or high end, is how closely it simulates a real, live musical performance. No audio gear is going to get you completely "there", but you can come very, very, close without spending $100,000.

A consumer who can really afford a $100,000 audio system is probably accoustomed to spending large amounts of money for everything else he or she purchases (cars, homes, clothes, etc.). That is just the world they live in. Some people think that price always equates to quality. Some people do not want to own anything that is accessible to "the masses". Marketing hype, and the uninformed consumers it is aimed at, exists at all levels of any particular market.

With audio, as with anything else, I think it is good to set some performance objectives and find the gear that satisfies, or comes as close as possible to satisfying, those objectives. Of course, for an aggressive audio hobbiest, performance objectives may be a "moving target" and a level of satisfaction may never be reached no matter how much money is spent. That is part of the fun of it for some people.

[jdhdiggs]

Sorry to weigh in this as of late but I really think the guy is nuts. He's the one bring up how much he paid and the saying things like "I spent $2,400 on speakers and $500 on a receiver, how is that not hi-fi?" It appears that he was the one who brough the class warfare in. Hmm, my recent sub $2,900 HT:
6 LSi7,s $600 (with tax)
Kenwood 7070 ($320)
HK PA5800 (5X135W amp) $220
SVS PB12+2 ($1,300)

Total: $2,440

This is what happens when you do your research, talk to the old guys here, listen to their advice and wait for the deals to come. This is the type of knowledge that people were trying to give the goober and he freaked out.

Right now I still have my LSI signature editions and maggies on dedicated hybrid and tube amps. Does that mean my experience with the RTi series that I had for 4+ years is no longer valid? I'd sure hope not. I can speak as to what changes gave me the best bang for the buck and hopefully help someone else from wasting their money on an upgrade that won't help.

In th CD request thread, that is EXACTLY what the "audio snobs" were trying to do. Help this guy to not waste his money on an upgrade that won't give him results yet.