V for Vendetta

[bobman1235]

Surprised no one's started a thread on this yet (that I could find).

Just came back from seeing this (in IMAX no less). Phenomenal. I can see the subject matter ... maybe sitting with people the wrong way, as it is basically encouraging government overthrow to some expect, but it's in an Orwellian regime of control. The whole atomsphere of the times is very much like "1984", with a little "Fahrenheit 451" thrown in for good measure. But th emovie had everything. Good dialogue, great action / explosions, great pacing, good acting, and of course, Natalie.

[Roy Munson]

1984 was my favorite book when I was in high school, I read it in 1969 when I was a junior..damn I'm getting old! Fahrenheit 451 was also one of my favs, so I guess I better go see "V".

[ohskigod]

I liked it, I didnt get into the whole compare it to real events thing you see in the papers. This made it far more enjoyable.

[MrNightly]

Just got back from seeing it with the wife. Two thumbs up... way up. Very political slant, if you care to look into that way,(which I did, and thoroughly enjoyed too) but also just flat out well directed, well acted, well-paced action flick. Not too much bad here. Thought it was going to be slower, or with a predictible ending, but was pleasantly surprised.

9 outta 10 stars for me. Also, very original thinking, that didn't seem to come across as so.

Well worth the price of admission, and seemed to attract an older audience. I liked it!

[MacLeod]

If Im not mistaken, isnt thie slanted to the right? Joel Silver produced it and he's a right winger. It would be nice! That would make 2 movies in history with a right wing slant (Passion of the Christ being the 1st).

[MrNightly]

I wouldn't say it slanted to the right at all... Well, I take it back. Ok, hang on. It made you think, and for that I liked it. I need to see it again, that's for sure. They were pro gay-movement it seemed, but also anti-government... again, you didn't have to read into it if you didn't want to, and could just enjoy the show... but I think I need to watch it again, before making complete statements. (I will say that it didn't push either way, and seemed to lay it out for you to pick and choose what you wanted, and leave the rest alone.)

Regardless, it was excellent.

[dorokusai]

It's a movie, not the Emergency Broadcasting System.

[aaharvel]

If Im not mistaken, isnt thie slanted to the right? Joel Silver produced it and he's a right winger. It would be nice! That would make 2 movies in history with a right wing slant (Passion of the Christ being the 1st).

Passion didn't have a right-wing slant. It was an underrated movie about the most beloved individual in the history of history.

[PolkThug]

GREAT movie.

[Strong Bad]

Go to the theater, see it, enjoy it and realize it's only a movie. Right wing, left wing, whatever. Never understood that shit anyway.

[aaharvel]

thanks for the rec, i think i'll go see it today then for a nice stress relieiver.

[MrNightly]

Go to the theater, see it, enjoy it and realize it's only a movie. Right wing, left wing, whatever. Never understood that shit anyway.

Good idea. I wish they didn't judge a movie based on how many pay tickets to see it in crumby theaters... (having said that now that I am moving more into the HT world... hehehe)

I say, regardless of hatred for movie theaters, that everyone needs to take their significant other out on a date, and watch the flick!!:p

[MacLeod]

Go to the theater, see it, enjoy it and realize it's only a movie. Right wing, left wing, whatever. Never understood that shit anyway.


Well it seems more and more lately movies are more about making a political statement (and usually a liberal one) and not so much about entertainment. Hence the declining attendance at the theaters (that and the $12 popcorn).

I dont have a problem with them having these opinions, Im just tired of having them shoved down my throat everytime I go to see one. A good example, the latest news out of commiewood is that theyre begining production on a movie about Cindy Sheehan starring none other than Susan Sarandon! :rolleyes: I mean Primary Colors, Dave, American President, Munich, Syriana, Day After Tomorrow, Farenheight 911 and on and on. Im just tired of movies trying to make a political statement, regardless whether I agree with it or not. Long live George Lucas!

[aaharvel]

George Lucas made a political statement in Episode III.

[heiney9]

For those that are interested in the Natalie factor in this movie visit her fan site for lots of articles and interviews about the movie.

www.natalieportman.com

I hardly ever go to the theaters for movies anymore, but I almost went this weekend to see it. I've seen all the pre-release hoopla and it looks like my kind of entertainment. Intelligent action/fantasy and of course Nat. I'll be getting this as soon as it comes out on DVD.

H9

P.s. It's a pretty heavily traffic'd site so if the link doesn't load or is real slow try again later.

[MacLeod]

George Lucas made a political statement in Episode III.


Ive heard a couple people say that but personally I never noticed any political statement.

[heiney9]

Certainly "V" has some political overtones. Most good work makes you think. But it's pretty minor and it certainly isn't intended to hit you over the head. Don't read too much into it and you'll be just fine. It's supposed to be entertainment first and foremost and making you think a little bit secondary.

H9

[aaharvel]

Heiney you have pm.

[aaharvel]

Ive heard a couple people say that but personally I never noticed any political statement.

yup it's there. very stupid dialogue mixed with political overtone makes for very stupid political overtone- regardless of what side of the aisle.

[Strong Bad]

George Lucas made a political statement in Episode III.

It was cut from the movie.

Palpatine was busted for having his female Sith Intern in his office polishing his "Lightsaber." The Galactic Senate covered it up, much to the dismay of the Wookies.

[MrNightly]

Certainly "V" has some political overtones. Most good work makes you think. But it's pretty minor and it certainly isn't intended to hit you over the head. Don't read too much into it and you'll be just fine. It's supposed to be entertainment first and foremost and making you think a little bit secondary.

H9

So you saw it?

[heiney9]

So you saw it?

Nope, I was waiting for someone to bring that up. My comments are strictly coming from all the pre-release hoopla. I've read over 2 dozen interviews and reviews and formed my opinion based on the director, screenwriter, producer, actors and original author. My opinion may change once I see it, but I get what they general tone of the film is SUPPOSED to be.

H9

[PolkThug]

So you saw it?

I don't think he did, it was VERY political which is expected with a movie centered on the Guy Fawkes story. :confused:



Interesting factoid about Guy Fawkes:

In an example of semantic progression, Guy Fawkes' name is also the origin of the word "guy" in the English language, particularly in American spoken English

[aaharvel]

It was cut from the movie.

Palpatine was busted for having his female Sith Intern in his office polishing his "Lightsaber." The Galactic Senate covered it up, much to the dismay of the Wookies.

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

[shepx2]

It was cut from the movie.

Palpatine was busted for having his female Sith Intern in his office polishing his "Lightsaber." The Galactic Senate covered it up, much to the dismay of the Wookies.


Thank you very much; I haven't spit fluid out of my nose in quite a long time.

[MrNightly]

Nope, I was waiting for someone to bring that up. My comments are strictly coming from all the pre-release hoopla. I've read over 2 dozen interviews and reviews and formed my opinion based on the director, screenwriter, producer, actors and original author. My opinion may change once I see it, but I get what they general tone of the film is SUPPOSED to be.

H9

Well, as they always say... don't let others tell you what to think about it.. go out and see it yourself before you form an opinion! :D

I'll say, that after thinking about for the past week, I definately want to see it again. I believe that movies (Good movies that is) should make you think beyond what is handed to you on a silver platter, and beyond what is shoved down your throat by the media... and "V" does just that.

[Tour2ma]

Saw this Tuesday and thoroughly enjoyed it. Will be on the Buy List.

As I watched my mind kept going to the "this means this and this means that" imagery I'd read about. Nearly got in the way, but fortunately it did not.

Natalie P. impressed me as an actress for the first time. And I have been a Stephen Rea fan since the HBO movie Citizen X, which, come to think of it, also needs to go on my Buy List...

[dipiazza]

Must say, i especially enjoyed the soundtrack and surround sound special effects. Should be an awesome one for HT audio wise. I will def be buying when it comes out on dvd.

[Ron-P]

Streeted yesterday and I picked it up today, blind buy. Watching it tonight with some friends.

[Demiurge]

Watched it last night on a blind buy despite a bunch of friends telling me I would hate it. I did, it was damn near a propaganda film.

[bobman1235]

At least it was propaganda against the British government.... :)

[Shizelbs]

I'm watching it tomorrow.

[Ron-P]

As long as it was well done, entertaining propaganda...cool.

[Zero]

Watched it yesterday. Not bad, though not spectactular either. Yep, quite a few obvious political messages rested in the movie, although not to any offensive measure. All of the above is of course, my own personal opinion(fact!) heh.

[Ron-P]

A fine example of how film making should be. What a great movie. Two BIG thumbs way up!

[tecmo04]

best movie. amazing final scene! definatly worth buying

[Strong Bad]

Cool! Off to Best Buy after the gym tonight to pick it up.

Thanks for the heads up. I'll sneak back in with my thoughts on the flick.


John

[Demiurge]

At least it was propaganda against the British government.... :)

The scene with the Brittish and U.S. Flag with a Nazi symbol in the middle of it, and some of the protests signs they showed in one scene were annoying. The notion that the Koran is a peaceful book. I could look past that if the entire movie wasn't trying to justify the symbols as truth the entire time. I usually think that people overreact with what they perceive in a movie, but this was so in your face and over the top it was impossible to ignore and just enjoy the entertainment. It was just insulting.

I really tried to enjoy it. If anything it showed how bad socialism is, which isn't exactly the government they were trying to portray.

Also humanizing 'terrorism' was pretty sickening too.

[ND13]

What other movies were released on DVD Tuesday??

[Demiurge]

Nada, except for CYE Season 5. The rest looked like all crap.

[bobman1235]

Meh, i can't deny it has a BLATANT political stance and agenda, I just didn't care, and was thoroughly entertained.

Kinda like hte same way I love to listen to 60's music.

[Demiurge]

Meh, i can't deny it has a BLATANT political stance and agenda, I just didn't care, and was thoroughly entertained.

Kinda like hte same way I love to listen to 60's music.

I usually don't care either. I don't bash things I haven't seen, and yes I saw the 'movie we must never speak of here' as well. That didn't bother me at all, and I just didn't like that one either.

Hell I knew what I had heard going in, but I wanted to see for myself, and it made it so damn hard to ignore.

I think V for Vendetta would have been a lot better movie if it had tried to captivate a larger audience by being a little more subtle rather than alienating a huge segment of the population. I know the writer of the comic was pissed at the direction they took the movie because it wasn't written in the way it was portrayed. I need to look for that article.

Anyhow, glad you liked it.

[univera]

Passion didn't have a right-wing slant. It was an underrated movie about the most beloved individual in the history of history.:)

And I thought that it was Elvis. Silly me.....:) :) :) :) :) :)

[ND13]

I'm not too sure whether I care for this movie or not. I'm gonna give it a second spin tonight. As of now, I'm gonna reserve the right to be indifferent. After the second viewing, I'll relay my opinion. I'm not saying that it was bad or good, yet...just that it wasn't what I was expecting after the previews. IMO, the previews portray more of a semi-sci-fi/action flick and it was really a drama with a bit of sci-fi/action.

[halo]

I loved this movie. Best line (improvised) "the government should be afraid of the people not the other way around". Darn tootin' This movie shows how effed up our gov. is - didn't you see the similarities? The gov. in the movie keeping everyone afraid (using fear to control), the media spinning everything - you don't see that happening here on a regular basis? Does the media here always tell the truth? How about the government?

Flame me, debunk me, discredit me, call me names - I really don't care. I'm not an expert on politics and I don't claim my statements to be facts - they're my opinions.

[ND13]

Victor,

Are you off your schizo meds??? You seem awful paranoid to me..;) :p

[bobman1235]

It's just a movie there Halo, take off the foil hat and come out of the bunker.

[stereo55]

Was a fun ride . A tad differant plot/story than I expected , but it was a good 131 minutes of time spent .
Wish there had been more of the slash and dash sword/knife stuff (best part(s) imo) . Pq and sq seemed quite good , and alot better than some of the other recent releases (be it few and far between as of late) .

Enjoyed !

[reeltrouble1]

I fell asleep a little past an hour into this movie, I woke up to see the final scene, which looked ok. I know I saw upto when Edie got out the cell and saw V.

What I saw kinda reminded me of our forum. I think Brett is working on an carrier agent for his former bosses.

RT1

[AndyGwis]

Watched this last night; liked it a lot. Good flick, definitely worth the rental or even buyable.

[Ron-P]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v377/Ron-P/Vendetta.jpg

[heiney9]

Finally saw this last night. I automatically like everything with NP in it. Because of many of the comments about this movie I was a bit apprehensive, but in the end it was a very enjoyable fictional movie. Are there similarities to what's been going on recently in history..........yes. I consider myself pretty intelligent and perhaps it could have been a bit subtler, but then again our current set of officials in the gov't are anything but subtle.

You can read many many things into this movie, bottom line is it's a commentary on the world today, but let's not forget first and foremost it's suppossed to be entertainment. I thought all the acting was very strong as well as the production value and sound. I think NP did a great job and I loved the school girl scene. This is defintely worth watching again.

H9

P.s. Victor the line is "People shouldn't be afraid of their government; a goverment should be afraid of its people"

[OpticalSerenity]

I loved the movie, forget the politics of it, it has an awesome DD track, and is a great movie to show off the HT.

Ron-P, I loved that part...she looks, yum.

[PhantomOG]

Finally rented this over the weekend. I liked the movie, however, I found some of the political messages distracting, if not distateful. Its sad that pre 9/11 I probably wouldn't have been bothered at all.

[Ron-P]

Pre or post 9/11 it did not bother me at all. It's just a movie and a damn good one.

Funny how this movie is getting folks worked up about the political messge yet those same people will sit and watch films with murders, rapes, crime...etc and not be bothered by that.

[bobman1235]

Just saw this on DVD (I had seen it in the theaters) and am still amazed by it. Just a fabulous movie.

I don't quite understand all the upset about the "political message." If citizens are living in a police state they SHOULD revolt. In case anyone forgot, it's how this nation was founded. Comparing our current government to the one in the movie is a big stretch, but I can promise you if it ever got near as bad as it did in that movie, I'd be at the front of the lines for the revolution.

[MrNightly]

...
I don't quite understand all the upset about the "political message." If citizens are living in a police state they SHOULD revolt. In case anyone forgot, it's how this nation was founded. Comparing our current government to the one in the movie is a big stretch, but I can promise you if it ever got near as bad as it did in that movie, I'd be at the front of the lines for the revolution.

I'll second that!!

The movie actually made you think what you would do if the government ever got that bad. For those that refuse to believe it ever could, well, I pity you.

Heck of a show regardless.

[Demiurge]

Just saw this on DVD (I had seen it in the theaters) and am still amazed by it. Just a fabulous movie.

I don't quite understand all the upset about the "political message." If citizens are living in a police state they SHOULD revolt. In case anyone forgot, it's how this nation was founded. Comparing our current government to the one in the movie is a big stretch, but I can promise you if it ever got near as bad as it did in that movie, I'd be at the front of the lines for the revolution.

What's not to get? It would have been a better movie had they just made it an oppressive government. No need to reference the war on terror, show signs with political leaders still in office, refer to a 'vigilante' as a 'terrorist' . It really waters down the meaning of the word terrorist.

If you're going to reference real world events it becomes more than just a movie, and historical accuracy comes into play. If you can turn it off, good for you.

Hitler was for National Socialism, and this was pretty much along the same lines, except they likened it to a conservative viewpoint, which wouldn't happen. Smaller government is one of the biggest conservative and libertarian tenants. Bigger government, and hands in the lives of the citizenry is a liberal tenant. National socialism is exactly what that movie was trying to portray, and I guarantee I'd be right there with you on the front lines if it ever happened. If the Catholic church went nuts and took over a country it might be like this, but likening it to today was a total joke that I can just turn off.

...and no I don't get bothered by rape, crime, and murder in movies. These things are happening. If you're going to try to liken something to real events it's important to be accurate not just make shit up and then hide behind entertainment. How would you feel if they totally changed the events of 9/11 in the World Trade Center movie? Just say it was just a movie?

Sorry for having to be more explicit about how I saw it, but I wanted to explain where I was coming from.

[Frank Z]

My wife and I watched it last night. Great ENTERTAINMENT!

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Possible Spoilers

Ok...

This is by far one of the best movies Ive seen in a long, long time...

Easilly 9 out of 10. There was only one part that I didnt like and it lasted 1 minute - because it was cheesy. The whole arms up in the air thing... lol

I knew I was going to like it after this quote...

Evey Hammond: Who are you?

V: Who? Who is but the form following the function of what, and what I am is
a man in a mask.

Evey Hammond: Well I can see that.

V: Of course you can. I'm not questioning your powers of observation, I'm merely remarking upon the paradox of asking a masked man who he is.

[Ron-P]

I didn't find that part cheesy at all. By far the best quote of the movie...


Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.

[heiney9]

Yep, I watched it again. I only do this for Nat movies, well not always but this thread got me thinking so I had to watch it again. It was even better the 2nd time around. A great flick, great entertainment. I still feel for most it could have been a bit more subtle in spots, but for a big budget, hollywood type movie that got the $hit hyped out of it, IMO, it lived up to its hype hands down. One of the rare movies that is as good and or better than the media hype surrounding it. Too bad now-a-days the attention span for anything is so short. This one is already fading and that's too bad because more people should see this movie.

H9

P.s. some areas of the film remimded me of parts of the movie "Darkman". Not sure why, but it just did.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

No no, that was great....

The whole... girl no more fear... rain - she throws her arms up, then they flashback ocasionally...

What you quoted was brilliant.

[garcianc2003]

I read through all the posts in this thread and apparently I am the only person who thinks the audio track is deficient. I had to trim by as much as +6 db in order to make the dialog audible. +4 was probably enough, but I had to compensate for Hugo's scenes when he is speaking through the mask.
By the way, I LOVE THIS MOVIE and own the special edition DVD (hoping for better sound).

[halo]

Loved the audio on this movie - I don't think my neighbors appreciated the late night bombardment ala SVS though :o :D Loved that speech too btw ;) :D

[venomclan]

No no, that was great....

The whole... girl no more fear... rain - she throws her arms up, then they flashback ocasionally...

What you quoted was brilliant.


I think that was a great scene. Probably the best of the movie.It is where Evey becomes enlightened. She read the same letter that V originally found in captivity, what made him become what he was. Why he made his own shrine of roses.

V basically dismantled her and by doing so, made her perceptions broaden, newbirth symbolized by water, setting her free. When she realized that it was V who held her captive, she yelled at him and said "none of this was real?" I do not remember the accurate quote, but he said something to the effect of, "what was real down there, is just as real up here".

I find a lot of similarities between V and the Matrix, probably because of Hugo. His character in the Matrix allowed for the birth of the Neo character, changing his perceptions and setting him free. When he destroyed agent Smith, Smith came back in the second one, giving his microphone up and saying that Neo set him free, all the while he was now looking for a new porpose.

While V is totally different, the character development on some levels are similar. Some on a physical and spiritual level.
Venom

[kberg]

I read through all the posts in this thread and apparently I am the only person who thinks the audio track is deficient.

You're not alone there. I also thought the center channel was a bit weak in the dialogue, and even some online reviews noted it as well.

[Early B.]

Just saw it. It was OK. I'd say a 6.5/10. Excellent writing and very good storyline. Great political messages throughout. Audio was average. But for some reason I wasn't blown away by the movie.

[mrbigbluelight]

Quote:

Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is it vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished, as the once vital voice of the verisimilitude now venerates what they once vilified. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified, and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin vanguarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition. The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous. Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose vis-à-vis an introduction, and so it is my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V.


That has to be a shoe-in for the "Best Alliteration for 2006" award.

We rented "Scarey Movie 4" and "V for Vendetta", will watch tomorrow.

[DarqueKnight]

When I went to Blockbuster to rent "V" they were out, so they had to give me a raincheck for a free rental because V was a "guaranteed to be available or it's free title". Very interesting story and good acting. I am buying the special edition.

I agree that the dialog volume was weak in some scenes. I had to turn subtitles on to catch the dialog in some scenes.

[zombie boy 2000]

They should make movie adaptions of all Vertigo comics

preferably The Sandman
and The Preacher

[mrbigbluelight]

"V" is a must buy movie.

Brilliant movie.
A movie that issues a warning in a very entertaining, thought-provoking way that had bits of messages/themes from "Brave New World", "Farhenheit 451", and "1984".

Is it about "politics" ?
If by "politics" you mean "right wing" or "left wing" (consevative vs liberal), absolutley not.

If by "politics" you mean the entity known as the "State", absolutely dead on.

The evil that is shown is "Facism".
In "Facism", it is the "State" that is paramount in importance, not the people.
The people exist for the State, not vice versa.
As a previous poster pointed out, "V" addressed that very point in a quote that a government should be fearful of the people, not vice versa.

As the saying goes, "Power Corrupts, and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely".
It doesn't matter if that growing power is "Conservative" or "Liberal"; as a State grows closer to the level of "Absolute Power", it will become more corrupt and further from the source of what should be its power, the people.

Demi, you mentioned Nazis, or National Socialists.
They were actually Facists of a "right wing" bent if I may use that term.
The State, ie Hitler, was of paramount importance.
The people ? Little importance, especially if you were a Jew, gypsy, homosexual, liberal, intellectual, or any other group that "threatened" the existence of the all-important State.

For a Facist state of a "left wing" bent, merely look east at the Soviet Union.
The State, ie Stalin, was of paramount importance.
The people ? Again, little importance, especially if you were a Jew, gypsy, homosexual, liberal, intellectual, or any other group that "threatened" the existence of the all-important State.

Not much difference between the 2 shades of evil known as Facism as far as "the people" were concerned in the long run.
Dead is dead, whether by concentration camp or pogrom.

When religion is added to the Facist stew, you have a recipie for evil that is called "theocracy".
Who may dare question the power of the State when God Himself/Herself has said the State is good ? That claim to divine authority will be justified with the use of text, be it the Bible, the Koran, ancient Sanskrit documents, or ?

The movie "V" points out these shades of Facist evil in various ways and to various degrees.
The Koran (Quran ?) is shown and mentioned rather briefly a few times.
For those who have seen this movie, ask yourself: what were your immediate reactions and responses ? What did you think of first ?

My associated first thoughts were Muslim Holy Book, Middle East, terrorism, death, destruction ....
........................see how it works ?
Or stated more accurately, see how it CAN work ?

I consider myself the average Joe six-pack, not especially bigoted, racist or sexist, and not easily led astray.
As would the families shown at home or the blue collar workers in the bars watching the "Big Brother" telecasts in "V".
Yet their opinions of "reality" and of the "terrorist V" were molded and shaped by the Facist state broadcasts.

Venomclan mentioned the scene of Evey's enlightenment. Very powerful, in my opinion. The contrast between her enlightenment by rain ("You can hear God in every rain drop") and V's enlightenment by fire was a work of art.

Can one see elements of today's political climate in the movie ? Yes.
BUT please keep in mind that would be true if Gore were in office instead of Bush. The evil trying to be exposed isn't Republican or Democrat, it is Facism.

And if we allow the Facist elements of either party, or ANY party, to gain too much control than, as I believe is quoted in "V":

"The fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves".

...sorry for the long post. Definitely went past the "> 10 lines" dropoff point, so ..... anybody still here ? :o

See the movie. That's an order from the State.

[Early B.]

For a Facist state of a "left wing" bent, merely look east at the Soviet Union.

If you're gonna look to the east for fascism, you can stop looking once you get to Washington, DC. By definition, the USA is in many ways a fascist state masquerading as a democracy. It makes the message in movies like "V" relevant for nearly all forms of government.

[Demiurge]

If you're gonna look to the east for fascism, you can stop looking once you get to Washington, DC. By definition, the USA is in many ways a fascist state masquerading as a democracy. It makes the message in movies like "V" relevant for nearly all forms of government.

HAHAHAHA :rolleyes:

The fact you can say that on a public forum makes your point totally ridiculous.

[Demiurge]

Demi, you mentioned Nazis, or National Socialists.
They were actually Facists of a "right wing" bent if I may use that term.

No, actually they weren't. He, as a fascist, was for National Socialism. It's historical fact. In fact National Socialism means Nazism. It's where the term was derived from. Hitler and the Nazis were for complete government control, and gave none of it to their people. That is where the socialism comes from, and Hitler never lived long enoughto institute his govermental plans. They had miniature models of the 'Mecca' of Nazism in his bunker as the Soviets surrounded Berlin. Hitler himself was a fascist, and he had complete dictorial control over his country and his people. The one thing he couldn't control was the human spirit, and freedom in the west.

Socialism & Communism have absolutely no right wing connection. I do realize the point you're trying to make, but it won't happen before an armed right wing milita would rise up and take that government down. Not to mention the only way I could see it is if it was some kooky church that took over.

The point I was trying to make is that you'll see liberals (I realize this is a broad group with conflicting belief systems) advocating socialism and communism here in this country on a daily basis, but you never see that from conservatives. At the worst you get some bigot who still has a racism mentality or what have you. Let's not forget that in the days prior to the civil rights movement pretty much everyone was on the same page with race. It was just how it was, and it was wrong.

The movie was definitely trying to display falsehoods whether anyone wants to admit it or not. That's just fine, but historical events ought to be treated with accuracy. I own this SE version of this movie, and I would be glad to go in and pick out all of the time stamps of the blatantly obvious shit if you still want to argue about it.

That's all I have to say, have the last word and enjoy the movie if you can.

[Andrew2112]

Just saw the movie and my first thought was 'good movie', second thought: that's where we are headed 'cause the parallels between movie and real life are way too familiar. Still is only a movie and of course they are going to exagerate everything to make it cartoonish but every time they showed the news (and the spin) in the movie I kept waiting for the guy to say 'fair and balance'

[tommyboy]

Just watched the movie and I have to say its the best movie Ive seen this year (well, thats not saying much). I really didn't care about all the politics in the movie and how it compares today. It was a very entertaining movie with a good DD track(I do agree with members above that center channel was lacking). My favorite part of the movie was the sequence when natalie portman was imprisoned. This is one of her best performances. You just felt you were right in the cell with her and liked how she found the story of the girl. Just thought this whole sequence was very emotional.

At first glance, I thought this was going to be another lame superhero movie (I hate superhero movies!), but this was something different, and I liked it.

anyways, compare it to politics today if you want to, but its still a great film.

tommyboy

[dholmes]

I purchased the movie 2 weeks ago & finally watched it last night, AA++ movie!!!I think it was hard to hear the dialog, it was V's mask that caused the problem. It reminds me of what the goverment does now about keeping us all scared,watch out for brown people, homosexuals, bird flu,ed,restless leg, b/p, dry pu$$y,pi$$ing too much. They keep us scared for they can controll us, we dont question how they waste $$$, make up bullshit jobs, like homeland security what a joke. Im a medic & I see first hand all the shit. People are scared out there of the wrong thing!! Sorry about preaching, it is Sunday afterall!!

[unc2701]

No, actually they weren't. He, as a fascist, was for National Socialism. It's historical fact. In fact National Socialism means Nazism. It's where the term was derived from. Hitler and the Nazis were for complete government control, and gave none of it to their people. That is where the socialism comes from, and Hitler never lived long enoughto institute his govermental plans. They had miniature models of the 'Mecca' of Nazism in his bunker as the Soviets surrounded Berlin. Hitler himself was a fascist, and he had complete dictorial control over his country and his people. The one thing he couldn't control was the human spirit, and freedom in the west.

Socialism & Communism have absolutely no right wing connection. I do realize the point you're trying to make, but it won't happen before an armed right wing milita would rise up and take that government down. Not to mention the only way I could see it is if it was some kooky church that took over.

The point I was trying to make is that you'll see liberals (I realize this is a broad group with conflicting belief systems) advocating socialism and communism here in this country on a daily basis, but you never see that from conservatives. At the worst you get some bigot who still has a racism mentality or what have you. Let's not forget that in the days prior to the civil rights movement pretty much everyone was on the same page with race. It was just how it was, and it was wrong.



Tell us more about Nazi's as socialists. Oh, and fascism as a socialist doctorine, too. I find this facinating! In fact I made sure to quote it all, because I might want to reference it later.

National Socialism... yep. sounds like they were socialists. Goddamn fascists.

[Demiurge]

Tell us more about Nazi's as socialists. Oh, and fascism as a socialist doctorine, too. I find this facinating! In fact I made sure to quote it all, because I might want to reference it later.

National Socialism... yep. sounds like they were socialists. Goddamn fascists.

2 entries found for National Socialism.

National Socialism
n.

Nazism.


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National Socialism

n : a form of socialism featuring racism and expansionism [syn: Nazism, Naziism]

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Toodles...

[unc2701]

Yes, we've established that Nazi stands for National Socialism... I'd like to hear you expand on the ways in which Nazi's were socialists... or rather how Fascism=Naziism=Socialism=Liberal Agenda.

[unc2701]

Know what, why don't I just take this one myself? The socialist aspects of Nazi germany didn't really reflect a socialist ideology... The main opponents of the Nazi party in Germany were the Socialists and communists, both of whom would later be heavily persecuted by the Nazis. Ideologically, the Nazis had the most in common with the Italian Fascists, with the addition of a strong racial aspect. However, they are distinct from them in many ways, and I would argue that true fascism can only be used to describe what was going on in Italy in the 20's & 30's and the term is a misnomer used any place else. Back to the Nazi's: The government control of the economy was driven by the fact that it was an authoritarian government, not a socialist agenda. Just about all historians will tell you that Nazi's were NOT socialists, but I'm sure you'll go out of your way to dig up the references to wage and price control that would be considered socialist. Go for it. Just don't forget that the factories were always privately held. And don't tell me that a man that could kill 6 million jews couldn't seize a few factories.

Now, Fascism is considered to be a right wing ideology... it is very much ANTI socialist. Of course, if you understood what was meant by "right" and "left" in terms of political systems, you probably wouldn't be getting your panties in such a wad when people call fascists "right wing" - it really isn't like calling Republicans fascist... and like I said before, "Fascist" is a misnomer about 99% of the time it's used.

[halo]

A+ unc2701.

BTW - Demiurge thinks I'm a Nazi. Demi, me thinks you take yourself too seriously. Lighten up. FWIW, I'm not a Nazi or a Socialist or a Fascist. I just think that this country has a lot of problems.

[mrbigbluelight]

Very well said, in my opinion.

Let us say that President Bush has the heart of Mother Theresa, the wisdom of Nikolai Tesla, and the integrity of the Dahli Lama.
And I'm not being cynical saying that; of course he (nor anyone) has those attributes, but let's suppose he does.

Would I still have major disagreements with some of the issues that he is at the center of, such as warrantless wiretaps ?
Yes. Absolutely.

Now President Bush can only serve two terms, so it is a given that he won't be President after the next election.
Which means that someone else will.

And that person, while different, will STILL have the same new-found powers that President Bush is using.
Warrantless wiretaps, for instance.

So while a person may have no problems with a certain political figure having unlimited power in certain areas because they are comfortable with that figure, what will the situation be when another political figure assumes that position and has the same unlimited/unchecked power ?

Ted Kennedy is president.
Al Sharpton is president.
Ross Perot is president.
Barbara Boxer is president.
Angela Davis is president.
Pat Robertson is president.


That shows why I have a difficulties with some of the things that are occuring in our country.

I'd rather sacrifice security for freedom, than freedom for security iIF security means that the government has UNCHECKED power to intrude upon our lives.

In the movie "V", place the figure of Ted Kennedy in the role of The Chancellor.
THAT is one of the points being made in "V".

[Andrew2112]

"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. "

Benjamin Franklin

Amen to the founding father.

[Sherardp]

Just watched this in HD DVD format, finally. The PQ was second to none. You could see every strand of V's hair in some instances in the movie. The SQ was right on, my favorite was the ending when Nat sends the train off. A nice work out from the SVS sub, its a fun title, so much, that I watched twice in the same night. Sad but true. I have The Decent, Open Season, and Ant Bully on the way in Blu Ray. This is too much fun and enjoyment for one person, anyone else having fun with the Hi Def stuff thus far?

[hearingimpared]

Great movie, exciting, great dialog, and the big mouth turned out to be a sniveling coward in the end!!! This is a keeper.

[venomclan]

Great movie, exciting, great dialog, and the big mouth turned out to be a sniveling coward in the end!!! This is a keeper.

Hearing,
Did you just see this for the first time? It was my favorite movie of last year and in my top 10. A masterpiece all through. You will have to watch it a few times as there are a bunch of hidden things you may have missed in one showing. Oh, by the way, I am V.
v

[fatchowmein]

Great movie, exciting, great dialog, and the big mouth turned out to be a sniveling coward in the end!!! This is a keeper.

If you like V, check out Equilibrium. It's another flick with an antagonist with a big mouth.

Not as dramatic nor poetic as V but fun to watch.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

[hearingimpared]

Hearing,
Did you just see this for the first time? It was my favorite movie of last year and in my top 10. A masterpiece all through. You will have to watch it a few times as there are a bunch of hidden things you may have missed in one showing. Oh, by the way, I am V.
v

I just watched it again today. . . yes last week was the first time I saw it. I'm usually late to watching movies. . . since I've moved into the new home, I've been watching the movies ON DEMAND.

I did catch a few things that I missed the first time. When I really like a movie it is not beyond the realm of possibility to watch it 5 or 6 times at first. . . Kill Bill Vols 1 & 2 watched them for weeks when they first came out on DVD, I saw them first in the theater.

[hearingimpared]

If you like V, check out Equilibrium. It's another flick with an antagonist with a big mouth.

Not as dramatic nor poetic as V but fun to watch.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0238380/

Thank you, will do.


I like your quote on Caesar. . .I remember them using that line in the HBO series Rome which btw is another great show.

[venomclan]

I just watched it again today. . . yes last week was the first time I saw it. I'm usually late to watching movies. . . since I've moved into the new home, I've been watching the movies ON DEMAND.

I did catch a few things that I missed the first time. When I really like a movie it is not beyond the realm of possibility to watch it 5 or 6 times at first. . . Kill Bill Vols 1 & 2 watched them for weeks when they first came out on DVD, I saw them first in the theater.

I agree, one can never tire of true art. V has some of the best dialogue also.
V

[fatchowmein]

I like your quote on Caesar. . .I remember them using that line in the HBO series Rome which btw is another great show.

Yeah, that's where I got the quote from. Can't wait for season 2 to come out on DVD.

[hearingimpared]

I agree, one can never tire of true art. V has some of the best dialogue also.
V

I think a movie with great dialog can be forgiven on different levels, take "The Deceiver" for instance. Tim Roth and Chris Penn had some great dialog.

[venomclan]

I think a movie with great dialog can be forgiven on different levels, take "The Deceiver" for instance. Tim Roth and Chris Penn had some great dialog.

Never saw it, but I do not doubt Tim Roth's acting ability.
v

[hearingimpared]

Never saw it, but I do not doubt Tim Roth's acting ability.
v

It's probably hidden in a rack far, far away in you local video rental store. I know most Blockbusters have it. I'm not saying it's a five star movie but I've seen it three times and will probably watch it again.

[Shizelbs]

Watched it on HD DVD last night. Excellent movie. I'm mad at myself for not having seen it sooner. I love the subject matter, and it was pulled of very well. I wanted the movie to go on longer, which means it was just right. I will probably end up buying it.

[THX 3417]

It’s got a good sequence with dialogue panning from Left Centre and Right with matched loudspeakers. This is where van is driving around the city of London announcing a curfew order I think. It’s been year since I’ve seen “V For Vendetta.”

Depth in the mix for dialogue sounded rich and full of good bass tones. Same guys who did the Dolby mix for The Matrix I believe.

[Deadof_knight]

Plain and simple a no brainer buy!