Speaker wire...?

[noimposse]

So I was looking to getting some decent quality speaker wire for my rti4's. Dont kill me....but right now I'm running some awful Magnavox-on-a-spool 18ish gauge wire that I had with my old sony speakers. I figure getting something better might clear up the sound a bit, but I am nowhere close enough to wealthy.

The closest thing to what I could afford and actually like are a pair of DAYTON SCP-10 with bananas for around $40 on parts express. I think that would be able what I plan on spending for the cables, I just dont know if the Daytons would be the best I could get in that price range, or if they are worth getting at all.

Suggestions or comments are appreciated. Thanks.

[polrbehr]

If you're looking for speaker cables at a decent price, look no further than Monster. They offer a lot of choices in a lot of price ranges. Acoustic Research wouldn't be your worst choice either, as long as you stay away from lamp cord. Both can be fixed up with banana plugs or other pin-type
connectors. They both offer fine stranded wire, which enables it to carry
current more efficiently since there is more surface area. Either way, I would go with 16AWG minimum, even for a short (<25') run, and of course make sure the connections are tight all the way around. Bad connections = resistance / heat = poor sound quality. Good luck.

[reeltrouble1]

Home Depot carries 12-14 guage. It will do you up just fine.

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[Lowell_M]

If you're looking for speaker cables at a decent price, look no further than Monster. They offer a lot of choices in a lot of price ranges.


Monster Wire is a waste of money. I was looking for 12 ga., but Home Depot was out...Parts express (http://www.partsexpress.com/) had 100 ft of 12 ga. cheaper and it works just great.

Does anybody have any quantitative data to show that any higher cost speaker wire provides any better performance than a 12 gauge lamp cord? I read an article about the subject somewhere, but can't remember where.

[danger boy]

lamp cord was made for lamps. not audio. enough said.

[noimposse]

So doing it myself is the way to go? The Dayton cables are not recommended?

[reeltrouble1]

I have no bitch with Dayton but would recommend diy. Can you tell a little about your rig? I know you said RTi4 speakers (very good) what kind gear are you using.

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[Lowell_M]

lamp cord was made for lamps. not audio. enough said.

I found the link to what I read before....http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm. This is the only article that I have found that offers scientific reasoning for type and gauge of speaker wire. I agree that interconnect quality is important, but can't justify spending extra cash on Monster wire (or more expensive) after reading this. The only other information I have found is marketing information directly from speaker wire manufacturers (which is meaningless)

Other than sarcastic comments....What are your opinions? Is there any actual data or reasoning to support buying expensive speaker wire?

[reeltrouble1]

Ding!

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[shack]

I found the link to what I read before....http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm. This is the only article that I have found that offers scientific reasoning for type and gauge of speaker wire. I agree that interconnect quality is important, but can't justify spending extra cash on Monster wire (or more expensive) after reading this. The only other information I have found is marketing information directly from speaker wire manufacturers (which is meaningless)

Other than sarcastic comments....What are your opinions? Is there any actual data or reasoning to support buying expensive speaker wire?
What a tired old article.....

Unless you've actually tried it.....oh nevermind....I really don't care...use whatever....

[polrbehr]

Excellent link, a matt. Saved me the trouble of breaking out my ohmmeter and checking all of the wire I have! As a point of information, the Home Depot near my home doesn't seem to have 12ga. stranded wire, so I offered
Monster or another type as a readily available alternative. That article was very informative, though. I've learned quite a lot in my short time checking out this forum.

[noimposse]

Well as of now, the only notable component are the rti4's. Im using a Kenwood vr-705 as an avr, and the generic speakers cable. The system is really just starting out....the Kenwood is hopefully going to be replaced with a HK 240 by the end of the year. My next purchase is a sub(possibly the Mirage s8) followed by a center channel(Csi3).

I figured new wire might give me a cleaner sound and hold me over until I can afford all of the other things. College is a bitch...

[Lowell_M]

noimposse,

I am by no means an expert in HT equipment and seem to have started somewhat of an argument, but although the linked article is old, the laws of physics don't change. I would say find yourself some 14 or 12 ga. stranded speaker cable that you can afford (parts express has some decent choices in my opinion. The important part is making sure you have good, clean connections at the ends of the wire. Copper corrodes over time and the connections may need cleaned from time to time.

In time, if you have the $$$ to buy more expensive wire, give it a shot and see what your ears think.

[reeltrouble1]

We have had more wire debates around here than I care to remember. Wire matters, you have a starter system, starter wire is fine, actually 14 guage is fine. Get used to how it sounds, change out when or if your ready.

Everything in the chain matters, you have years and years to enjoy audio and learn.

Have fun.

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[noimposse]

Thanks guys, the opinions are really appreciated.

Since being at school kind of hinders actually getting to a home depot(its about 40 minutes away, and transportation is lacking...), off the top of your head, do you know what it may cost a foot/yard?

As for monster, Ive always found them to be a bit overpriced for what they are, and Im a newbie. Best Buy reps pimp that crap like the manager has a gun to their heads.

[John K.]

Noimposse, unless the runs to your speakers are more than about 20', that "awful Magnavox" wire(if it is in fact 18ga)is all you need and you can't get clearer sound with a different wire. If the ends of the wire are corroded they should be cleaned or trimmed off, otherwise the speaker wire has nothing to do with any dissatisfaction you may have. The speakers and listening room should be looked to.

[steveinaz]

Thanks guys, the opinions are really appreciated.

Since being at school kind of hinders actually getting to a home depot(its about 40 minutes away, and transportation is lacking...), off the top of your head, do you know what it may cost a foot/yard?

As for monster, Ive always found them to be a bit overpriced for what they are, and Im a newbie. Best Buy reps pimp that crap like the manager has a gun to their heads.

Don't know about Home Depot wire, but Radio Shack's 12awg OFC is .99 cents a foot.

[adam2434]

Don't know about Home Depot wire, but Radio Shack's 12awg OFC is .99 cents a foot.

Wow, less than a penny a foot - I'm going to run out and buy a few hundred feet!

Just kidding - I knew what ya meant. :D

[steveinaz]

good eye!

[McLoki]

You can get 12 guage from Blue Jeans cable for .39/foot. (just an FYI)

Michael

[McLoki]

Noimposse, unless the runs to your speakers are more than about 20', that "awful Magnavox" wire(if it is in fact 18ga)is all you need and you can't get clearer sound with a different wire.Out of curiosity, what, in your opinion, affects the sound that we hear from our systems? It seems cables and amps dont matter, but speakers and the room do. Please dont take this as an attack, I just want to understand your perspective. If I had 2 very similar rooms and sets of speakers, what would keep them from sounding identical to each other? (to keep things simple we will say the source is a cd or dvd player playing a digital media with standard analog cables to the pre-amp.

Source - wire - pre-amp - wire - amplifier - wire - speakers - room.

If the last two items in that chain are funtionally the same - what would account for different sounds between systems (or do you contend that the sound in each room would be the same?)

Thanks - just trying to understand you perception.

Michael

[markopolo]

I just switched out some realy crappy thin wire for some 12ga from Home Depot. Got it for 98 cents/meter. I noticed an improvement in sound (at least I like to THINK I did). As far as I'm concerned everything Monster is grossly overpriced. I'm not saying that Monster isnt good wire just that you can get equally good wire without the Monster branding for way cheaper. But ppl like to convice themselves that if they spend a lot then it MUST be better than everything else.

[John K.]

Michael, it isn't simply an opinion or perception(I try to avoid that whenever possible); although we read endlessly about the "sound" of players, amplifiers and even pieces of wire, most of that is BS(Before Science)and although music is art, audio is science. Well-designed equipment playing at precisely the same level(adjusted to within 0.1dB)isn't audibly distinguishable in properly controlled blind listening tests(the only condition in which we truly have to "trust" only our ears). When the nameplates and pricetags have disappeared, so have the differences in sound which were previously described in flowery terms by the same listeners for the same equipment before the test. This is well-established factual information, but despite this, subjective (mis)impressions have created an audio fantasy world where the participants continually reinforce each others' illusions.

What does matter and deserves our special attention(and money)in audio is the source material(e.g. CDs and DVDs, not the devices to play them), the speakers and the listening room. It isn't realistic to assume that any of these three factors are the same for different source materials, speakers and locations, but if it was arranged to have exactly the same source material playing through exactly the same speakers in exactly the same room setup, then by definition there'd be no difference in sound. There can be no effect without a cause.

[F1nut]

There can be no effect without a cause.

Fortunately, your cause has no effect here. Although, I do find your attempts to convince people that gear and cables don't make a difference quite humorous.

[McLoki]

Michael, it isn't simply an opinion or perception(I try to avoid that whenever possible); although we read endlessly about the "sound" of players, amplifiers and even pieces of wire, most of that is BS(Before Science)and although music is art, audio is science.
Sorry I have to disagree with you here. It is your opinion and I could not disagree with it more.

If you are ever in this part of the world, stop by for a few beers (or the drink of your choice) and we can try to prove each other wrong. Until then, you will have to enjoy your system and I will have to enjoy mine.

For all the new people seeking opinions, when we both respond - I guess they will hear both sides and hopefully they will be willing to test\listen\decide for themselves.

Michael

[dorokusai]

JohnK is also a fan of Axiom Audio...shouldn't he only be a fan of Fisher Price?

[W WALDECKER]

Michael, it isn't simply an opinion or perception(I try to avoid that whenever possible); although we read endlessly about the "sound" of players, amplifiers and even pieces of wire, most of that is BS(Before Science)and although music is art, audio is science. Well-designed equipment playing at precisely the same level(adjusted to within 0.1dB)isn't audibly distinguishable in properly controlled blind listening tests(the only condition in which we truly have to "trust" only our ears). When the nameplates and pricetags have disappeared, so have the differences in sound which were previously described in flowery terms by the same listeners for the same equipment before the test. This is well-established factual information, but despite this, subjective (mis)impressions have created an audio fantasy world where the participants continually reinforce each others' illusions.

What does matter and deserves our special attention(and money)in audio is the source material(e.g. CDs and DVDs, not the devices to play them), the speakers and the listening room. It isn't realistic to assume that any of these three factors are the same for different source materials, speakers and locations, but if it was arranged to have exactly the same source material playing through exactly the same speakers in exactly the same room setup, then by definition there'd be no difference in sound. There can be no effect without a cause.I am writing this from the safe confines of my audio fantasy world.power amplifiers from various manufacturers obviously sound different and if you have a few to compare side by side if you cannot tell the difference you must have a tin ear. if you have wire from different lines offered by the same manufacturer side by side and listen to them the differences in sound can be night and day apart. how can you explain this phenomina ?in a high resolution audio system everything in the chain from the source to the loudspeaker and everything in between makes either positive or negative difference! thanks....WCW III

[phipiper10]

Make your own decisions but I went from some monster speaker wire about 10 years old - "XP" in a pinkish insulation i think it was to switching t some Audioquest wire.

I'm not advocationg spending lots of money or or even Audioquest but there was a LARGE difference. Does it mean monster sucks or AQ is awesome I don't know but I do know there IS a difference.

[nellis8166]

If you want to spend a little coin and get great wire check out Kimber Cables. I run 8tc on my rig, It made a huge difference.

[shack]

JohnK is also a fan of Axiom Audio...shouldn't he only be a fan of Fisher Price?

Waaaaaaaaaaaa...... Yep the gear doesn't matter.

[shack]

Maybe Jesse is right.

[reeltrouble1]

Waaaaaaaaaaaa...... Yep the gear doesn't matter.


Thats what the man said. Big mistake, big, big, mistake. All brains are the same.!!! Peel away those face labels, crush that skull and you get the same gray matter!!!!

I would recommend a few more nights in the local Holiday Inn Express.

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[markopolo]

I think that there is some validity to what John K said. What we perceive is influenced by what we expect to perceive. That's basic psychology. That is not to say there is no difference between manufacurers and expensive or cheap equipment. But I bet that many of you audiophiles would be surpised by the results if you were to take the blind test yourselves. But since this thread is about speaker wire, my own experience was that I thought I heard an improvement in sound when I ran better wire. Of course I WANTED to hear an improvement. Would I hear an improvement if I used $20/ft wire? At that price I suspect that I would at least CONVINCE myself that I would.

[F1nut]

I think that there is some validity to what John K said. What we perceive is influenced by what we expect to perceive. That's basic psychology.

That may apply to idiots, monkeys and John K., but it is far from the absolute truth. For example, I decided to upgrade to some IC's priced at twice ($1800.00) what I was using. Sure, I thought they would sound better, but the fact is they sounded like crapola and I returned them. Another example, I listened to some speakers priced at $25k. Did I want them to sound good? You bet! Did they? Nope, they sounded terrible.

One has to trust in themselves and what they hear. Otherwise, what's the point!?!

The truth about John K. is that he forms his opinions on things he has read and not on personal experience. I can't respect that.

[reeltrouble1]

I think someone may have been in the pool to long.

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[aaharvel]

If you're looking for speaker cables at a decent price, look no further than Monster. They offer a lot of choices in a lot of price ranges.

nice cut and paste from Monster.com
now what do you really think?

[W WALDECKER]

I think that there is some validity to what John K said. What we perceive is influenced by what we expect to perceive. That's basic psychology. That is not to say there is no difference between manufacurers and expensive or cheap equipment. But I bet that many of you audiophiles would be surpised by the results if you were to take the blind test yourselves. But since this thread is about speaker wire, my own experience was that I thought I heard an improvement in sound when I ran better wire. Of course I WANTED to hear an improvement. Would I hear an improvement if I used $20/ft wire? At that price I suspect that I would at least CONVINCE myself that I would.if you have cables , gear ,loudspeakers etc... and can do a comparison right then and there i think you have a moot point in agreeing with John K. if i buy something new and audition it against my other gear and its not up to snuff it goes back to where ever it came from in a heartbeat! for example i just bought a BAT VK 3i tube preamplifier equipped with Russian Sovtecs which are a relatively cheap twin triode tube. i already owned an expensive Quad of matched and balanced Amperex 7308 gold pin tubes which are regarded as one of the best tubes in the 6DJ8/6922 family of tubes. i rolled the 7308s into the VK 3i and listened carefully and found that i very much prefered the Sovtecs in this particular circuit over the highly regarded 7308 goldpins. this defys the Psychology logic that you are describing when applied to audio. would you care to respond? thanks....WCW III

[Lowell_M]

Monster Wire is a waste of money. I was looking for 12 ga., but Home Depot was out...Parts express (http://www.partsexpress.com/) had 100 ft of 12 ga. cheaper and it works just great.

Does anybody have any quantitative data to show that any higher cost speaker wire provides any better performance than a 12 gauge lamp cord? I read an article about the subject somewhere, but can't remember where.

In retrospect....maybe leaving this conversation alone would have been a good idea.......hmmmmmm:o

[steveinaz]

The only thing you can do is try it for yourself...Those proclaim there is no difference in cables, obviously have no experience in trying different cables. They prefer to "parrot" what they've read or heard---I've opened a can of corn before, that don't make me a farmer...

[Lowell_M]

I am beginning to understand.......my bachelors degree is in physics....in theory, when talking about speaker wire (not IC's) there shoudn't be any difference if the conductance is the same (or even close really)...BUT.....I have never really heard many different speaker wires. I can say there is a HUGE difference when going from a cheapo 22ga. wire to a 14 or 12 ga. wire, but I don't have the personal experience regarding different manufacturers of similar sizes.

This is definately a sensitive subject here, and there must be something to the different brand offerings of wire..........yikes!!

[McLoki]

We are not saying that there will be a difference that you will hear on your system. Since we have not heard your system (nor heard through your ears) there is no way for us to know. We have heard differences in our systems though, both for better and worse, and would encourage you to try it and see for yourself if you hear anything.

An audio system all works together, when you change nearly anything, the sound will change. Sometimes it is dramatic, sometimes it is not - but until you try it, you will never know for sure.

Michael

[noimposse]

I didnt realize asking such an inane question would stir up so many opinions...wow.

Well from what I remember, the wire I am using is either 18 or 22ga. So hopefully when I finally get around to getting some new stuff, I'll hear something different. Thanks for all the comments though.

[reeltrouble1]

I am beginning to understand.......my bachelors degree is in physics....in theory, when talking about speaker wire (not IC's) there shoudn't be any difference if the conductance is the same (or even close really)...BUT.....I have never really heard many different speaker wires. I can say there is a HUGE difference when going from a cheapo 22ga. wire to a 14 or 12 ga. wire, but I don't have the personal experience regarding different manufacturers of similar sizes.

This is definately a sensitive subject here, and there must be something to the different brand offerings of wire..........yikes!!

Yes, you are beginning to understand, Martin Luther once wrote, "ich bin nicht mein" roughly translated, Its not me. He was working on the differences between reality vs actuality. An interesting read to say the least.

In our little thread it may even be a reality that a measurement of some sort may not record a difference in electron flow, however, the actuality is that people state they hear differences in wire. Deep shite huh? Scopes can't hear, people can, yet we are all unique, making each system with a user the same.

As far as the gear itself, its utter nonsense to say its all the same sans the labels. Shows a deep lack of understanding.

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[dorokusai]

Yes, you are beginning to understand, Martin Luther once wrote, "ich bin nicht mein" roughly translated, Its not me. He was working on the differences between reality vs actuality. An interesting read to say the least.

In our little thread it may even be a reality that a measurement of some sort may not record a difference in electron flow, however, the actuality is that people state they hear differences in wire. Deep shite huh? Scopes can't hear, people can, yet we are all unique, making each system with a user the same.

As far as the gear itself, its utter nonsense to say its all the same sans the labels. Shows a deep lack of understanding.

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I'd love to hear the segway from this thread into that reading material...isn't it "Es ist nicht ich"?...

[markopolo]

if you have cables , gear ,loudspeakers etc... and can do a comparison right then and there i think you have a moot point in agreeing with John K. if i buy something new and audition it against my other gear and its not up to snuff it goes back to where ever it came from in a heartbeat! for example i just bought a BAT VK 3i tube preamplifier equipped with Russian Sovtecs which are a relatively cheap twin triode tube. i already owned an expensive Quad of matched and balanced Amperex 7308 gold pin tubes which are regarded as one of the best tubes in the 6DJ8/6922 family of tubes. i rolled the 7308s into the VK 3i and listened carefully and found that i very much prefered the Sovtecs in this particular circuit over the highly regarded 7308 goldpins. this defys the Psychology logic that you are describing when applied to audio. would you care to respond? thanks....WCW III

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. But from the amount that it sounds like you spend on your sound system I figure you can probably afford a basic psychology class. The basic premise that what we perceive is influenced by what we want to perceive still stands and applies to audio systems as much as anything else. Psychology is not a hard science though so....your experience may vary. Now....how about inviting me over to perceive your system.

[F1nut]

I understand WCW III perfectly. It's just about the same thing I said. What we are saying is that reality rises above perception if one pulls their head outta their arse and actually trusts their own ears.

If you find yourself in the MD/DC/VA area, stop on in.

[W WALDECKER]

I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. But from the amount that it sounds like you spend on your sound system I figure you can probably afford a basic psychology class. The basic premise that what we perceive is influenced by what we want to perceive still stands and applies to audio systems as much as anything else. Psychology is not a hard science though so....your experience may vary. Now....how about inviting me over to perceive your system.I understand your basic premise on what we percieve and i was giving you a real life example of how wrong it can be.thanks....WCW III

[W WALDECKER]

"I have no idea what the hell you're talking about. But from the amount that it sounds like you spend on your sound system I figure you can probably afford a basic psychology class". i understand psychology and i agree with some of it,but a lot of it is highbrow bullshit.

[reeltrouble1]

I'd love to hear the segway from this thread into that reading material...isn't it "Es ist nicht ich"?...

Might of been, been a long time, but you get the drift. I seem to recall his saying "mein".

Its a bit beyond Psych. 101, but as we know so am I.

Bottom line wire matters to me.

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[Lowell_M]

Yes, you are beginning to understand, Martin Luther once wrote, "ich bin nicht mein" roughly translated, Its not me. He was working on the differences between reality vs actuality. An interesting read to say the least.

In our little thread it may even be a reality that a measurement of some sort may not record a difference in electron flow, however, the actuality is that people state they hear differences in wire. Deep shite huh? Scopes can't hear, people can, yet we are all unique, making each system with a user the same.

As far as the gear itself, its utter nonsense to say its all the same sans the labels. Shows a deep lack of understanding.

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I'm definately with you on the gear, man. That is a whole different deal. There can be many subtle differences withing the same model number from the same company even.

[heiney9]

Michael, it isn't simply an opinion or perception(I try to avoid that whenever possible); although we read endlessly about the "sound" of players, amplifiers and even pieces of wire, most of that is BS(Before Science)and although music is art, audio is science. Well-designed equipment playing at precisely the same level(adjusted to within 0.1dB)isn't audibly distinguishable in properly controlled blind listening tests(the only condition in which we truly have to "trust" only our ears). When the nameplates and pricetags have disappeared, so have the differences in sound which were previously described in flowery terms by the same listeners for the same equipment before the test. This is well-established factual information, but despite this, subjective (mis)impressions have created an audio fantasy world where the participants continually reinforce each others' illusions.

What does matter and deserves our special attention(and money)in audio is the source material(e.g. CDs and DVDs, not the devices to play them), the speakers and the listening room. It isn't realistic to assume that any of these three factors are the same for different source materials, speakers and locations, but if it was arranged to have exactly the same source material playing through exactly the same speakers in exactly the same room setup, then by definition there'd be no difference in sound. There can be no effect without a cause.

Priceless :D .

Law of Logical Argument:
"Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about"

H9

[polrbehr]

nice cut and paste from Monster.com
now what do you really think?

I think you should spend more time researching web sites...
at least before you try to rip someone down.
A) Monster.com is the job search site, not the wire company
B) I couldn't locate what I stated anywhere in the Monstercable.com website.
Perhaps you can post a link to my "quote" so that I don't plaigerize again
C) I think my advice was just that... advice. That's the beauty of living in
a free country.
D) I stand by what I said. I upgraded to Monster cables, and my setup
sounds pretty good to me. Maybe not as good as some others out there,
but I like what I've got ( see latter part of item C above ).

[polrbehr]

[\QUOTE=aaharvel]nice cut and paste from Monster.com
now what do you really think?[/QUOTE]

[PolkThug]

So I was looking to getting some decent quality speaker wire for my rti4's.

Grab some 12/14 awg from Home Depot (I think it is branded RCA). My Rti4's sounded great with it.

Regards

[schwarcw]

What wire would Freud recommend?:rolleyes:

[McLoki]

What wire would Freud recommend?:rolleyes:
Depends, what wire reminds you of your mother????? :D

Michael

[Drumingman]

I bought 12 guage from Lowes for 49 cpf. I always prefer larger guage to smaller. There is a difference and I don't care how long the run is. Over the years I have rewired the internal wiring inside my speakers with much larger wires and just from the crossover to the drivers makes a sonic world of difference. That's just my perception.

[cfrizz]

Your ID is simply reminding you of the memory you have of nursing from your mother!:p :D :eek:


Depends, what wire reminds you of your mother????? :D

Michael

[F1nut]

If you're looking for speaker cables at a decent price, look no further than Monster. They offer a lot of choices in a lot of price ranges.

I seem to recall that sales pitch in some of their ad's.

B) I couldn't locate what I stated anywhere in the Monstercable.com website.
Perhaps you can post a link to my "quote" so that I don't plaigerize again


Maybe it was subconscious.......perhaps proof that the millions spent on advertising instead of product development does pay off.

[TroyD]

I will not get involved...I will not get involved...I will not get involved... (JohnK is an idiot)...I will not get involved....I will not get involved

BDT

[reeltrouble1]

you will, you will, look at the pretty blue light BDT, you will you will......

[polrbehr]

I seem to recall that sales pitch in some of their ad's.


Maybe it was subconscious.......perhaps proof that the millions spent on advertising instead of product development does pay off.

Maybe. Again, I was only attempting to offer a choice that should be readily available ( at least here on LawnGyland, NY)


Definitely! One has to look no further than certain beer, automobile, and software manufacturers for proof of that.

[mrbigbluelight]

Accessories4Less web site, 85 cents a foot, 11 gauge actually
Superstrand is a high strand count (336) pure OFC copper conductor speaker cable.
http://www.accessories4less.com/cgi-bin/item/IXOSXHS453W


Buy.com, $28.99 (without shipping, throw in another $5), about 70 cents a foot
Acoustic Research PR-221 Pro II Series 12-Gauge Speaker Wire - PR221
http://www.buy.com/prod/acoustic-research-pr-221-pro-ii-series-12-gauge-speaker-wire/q/loc/111/90130257.html


Better wire means better sound and cable is better than wire, but ..... some of us are cheap. Or forced to be.

[McLoki]

Blue Jeans cable -
.38-.40/foot for 12 guage (in wall rated) wire.
.57-.61/foot for 10 guage (in wall/plenum rated) wire.

Both are custom for any lengths you want. (rather than just a 100 spool or something...)

Price difference is based on Jacket and wire color.

Michael

[Burnzy]

Zebra Cables has the same thing for a bit cheaper...

Belden wire..

.26/ft for the 14awg.
.36/ft. for the 12awg.
.53/ft. for the 10awg.

Cut to any length you want as well.