It All Must Go --- Audiobahn

[PoweredByDodge]

for sale to the lowest bidder... (noting my utter disgust)...

All Equipment is first owner (bought it new, old stock -- Audiobahn hooked me up with some crazy deals in an effort to eventually compete in SQ -- well SOMEBODY couldn't get me a tweeter, I blew a cork... we all know my temper... and the rest is history).

FYI---> NO SPEAKER WIRE INCLUDED, NO ORIGINAL BOXES, NO GRILLES, NO CUTE LITTLE 'MAIL THIS CARD IN FOR WARRANTY' CARD, IF THERE WAS A SERIEL NUMBER ON THE ITEM THEN IT IS STILL ON THERE - I DID NOT KNOWINGLY REMOVE ANY SN'S, NOTHING IS BLOWN (SEE NOTE ON ONE TWEETER BELOW), NOTHING HAS BEEN ABUSED (IN MY OPINION), TECHNICALLY IT ALL WORKS FINE (SEE NOTE ON TWEETER BELOW), WANT PHOTOS? WELL I'M TOO LAZY TO DO PHOTOS OF EVERYTHING, SO BEST U'RE GETTING IS OF THE STUFF INSTALLED IN THE TRUCK... THE 3.5" ARE IN THE DASH, SO I'LL USE A "WEBSITE" PHOTO... THE SUBS ARE ISO MUNTED IN THE BOX, SO YOU ONLY SEE ONE OF EACH - THERE ARE ACTUALLY 2 OF EACH.

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Audiobahn ACX-352 coupled 3.5" component set...
(1 tweeter damaged... noticeable at high power only, gets tinny... crossovers are not available, you'll have to make a custom set or buy them).

ASKING --> $20 or best offer

http://www.nexternal.com/uxaudio/images/ACX352.jpg

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Audiobahn AS-96Q -- 6x9" speakers.. 2 way.. separable (you can screw the tweeter in, or run them without as a midbass, or use them as a component set).

ASKING --> $40 or best offer

real photo in truck
http://spinellicreations.com:2501/2003/DSCN0378.JPG

stock photo
http://www.mt-autodesign.de/shop/images/medium/as_96q.jpg

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Audiobahn Flame Q 12" 450w rms single 4 ohm coil - Subwoofers (I have TWO of these) AW121T
ASKING --> $50 each or best offer ($80 for the pair)

real photo in truck
http://spinellicreations.com:2501/2003/DSCN0384.JPG

stock photo
http://www.1a.lv/images/upload/87712s.jpg
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Audiobahn Flame Q 10" 450w rms single 4 ohm coil - Subwoofers (I have TWO of these also) AW102T
ASKING --> $50 each or best offer ($80 for the pair)

real photo in truck
http://spinellicreations.com:2501/2003/DSCN0384.JPG

stock photo
http://digitalsounddirect.co.uk/shop/images/var/AUDIOBAHN-AW102T.jpg

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Crossover network to run the 3.5" coupled components and the 6x9 mids as a 3 way component set.... (it cost me about 150 to build) ...
ASKING --> $100 ... (or best offer) ($50 if you buy everything else - Initially posted as free, then I realized that i spent more on it than i had thought)

Photo coming soon...
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Shipping = ACTUAL UPS FROM ME TO YOU ... Will ship anywhere in the world... but it's your dime to pay the shipping cost.

[98thumpin]

hey man you might think im nuts but ill buy it all from you. dude those audiobahns look sick with the flame job and all.

[PoweredByDodge]

are you sure? i'd be happy to let you have it all... the subs do sound very nice when mounted iso baric clamshell... i'm fond of them... i think you'd enjoy them.

total for everything is $220 plus actual shipping -- it's heavy dude... it's not going to be cheap to ship all this ****... give me a zip code and i can give you a ballpark ... do you want the crossover too?

let me know if you're for real on this - cuz i can have the whole deal boxed up and shipped by this coming saturday ( a week from today ).

[98thumpin]

my zip code is 24251 gate city virgina. and yes id love to have the crossover. well they look great its a price that cant be beat either. **** yeah ill take it. give me a mailing address and ill sen you a money order out thursday overnighted. so you get it friday sometime. also need your name and address too.

[98thumpin]

how hard is it to mount the subs iso barric and what does iso barric mean?

[PoweredByDodge]

below is a picture of an iso-clamshell... sub 1 goes INSIDE the box, wired "normally" (amp positive to sub positive ... amp negative to sub negative). SUb 2 goes outside the box, bolted to the front of sub #1... it's wired out of phase (amp negative to sub positive, amp positive to sub negative).

This lets the two subs work like one big ass sub with double the moving cone mass, double the power, and a smaller box size . it also cancels out any "odd things" that may happen with one sub... cuz no single sub is built perfectly to its specs, having two working together cancels out any abnormalities with any one sub.

http://www.spinellicreations.com/temp/isoclam.jpg

it's not hard to do... it's just annoying. you have to build the box and then mount the subs, and put the back of the box on last so that you can get inside to put the bolts and nuts through between the subs.

as far as shipping...

UPS doesn't put ground quotes on the web anymore (which sucks), but Fed Ex has it at between 80 and 100 for home delivery - with the estimated weights and measurements i put in - and that would show up in 3 to 5 days from shipment.

So --- you'd be lookin at ... $220 + 50 + 100 = $370 total worst case scenario...

I'll box it up tomorrow and then I can get you can EXACT shipping price cuz i'll have actual weights and measurements.

[nadams]

damn... i would've been down for the 6x9's.

[98thumpin]

sounds good
to me

[PoweredByDodge]

FYI - i'm in Buffalo, NY (14220)

[98thumpin]

get me a price and if your serious and willing to work with me its sold unless u need the money right away.

[PoweredByDodge]

i'm more than willing to work with you - and i'm very serious -- i dont need the money right away -- i mean if you wanna mail it late this week, or next week.. or even late next week - i'm not in a big hurry dude - whatever works for you is fine for me -- i am looking for boxes as we speak -- i dont want to ship them in flimsy **** boxes because the last thing we need is for them to get smashed in shipping -- so i got two nice sturdy boxes today for subs, and a decent one for the other stuff -- still need two more cardboard boxes for subs... i'll have it boxed up tomorrow (grocery stores are great for big honkin boxes)-- its POURING ass rain today - i was gonna pull it all today and box it up but its coming down like cats and dogs out there, and i dont want anything to get wet -- i could pull the cadillac out of hte garage and do it in the garage, but the old man would go nuts if i put his car out in the rain (we get a little acid-raid here because of the steel plants still running)

[PoweredByDodge]

Checked with Fed Ex today, total will be a little over 370, but i quoted you 370 as he highest, so that's what we'll stick with.

My address =

Vincent F. Spinelli
330 Downing St.
Buffalo, NY 14220-2710

preferred payment = US Post Office Money Order (stuff ships right after i get the money order in the mail)

other accepted pahtment = personal checks or other money orders (stuff ships after the check clears at the bank).

I'll get you a tracking number immediately the day everything ships.

When you send payment, please include your address that you want everything shipped to.

[Skynut]

I don't think I would want my addy right here in front of the whole world and God.

Might want to P.M. that info.

[98thumpin]

sure will man tell you what i cant afford the 370 in one lump some so here is what ill do allright. ill send you 75 dollers a week or more what ever i can afford. then when the 370 is paid you can ship me the stuff. the reason ill do it this way is because im a 23 yold factory worker makin 10:50 an hour supporting a wife and kid. but if it is still a deal ill hold up my end of it, im sorry for the inconvience this may have caused, if it is a problem send me an e-mail and will work something out. lizandtyler@earthlink.net

[deepinya]

thumpin- I hope your wife doesnt kill you :)

[98thumpin]

lol i dont think she will this is actually going to save me some money i was going to get a db 212-2 box and polk momo mmc for the front and rear now i just need to get one set of speaks and amps hu and eq

[neomagus00]

so... this is a way to get her to kill you quickly, rather than slowly and painfully?

[PoweredByDodge]

Thump, I can understand your situation, and that's fine.

Tell you what though... instead of sending me a certain amount every week, just put that much aside every week... and in 4 or 5 weeks when you have it all, send me an email and if I still haven't sold the stuff, then it's yours.

But i'm still going to try to sell it as soon as possible. i wouldn't worry too much though - nobody really wants audiobahn around here.

[98thumpin]

ok thanks for being understanding vince. and ill do just that allright. shouldnt take too long i hope.

as far as neo goes. shw wont kill me but i dunno sometimes.

vince what kinda power would you suggest for the speakers and subs. im partial to polk audio and arc audio.

[PoweredByDodge]

the the four subs...
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800 x 2 @ 2 ohms. so either two amps that are 800 to 1000 x 1 at 2 ohms, or a REALLY BIG 2 channel amp that's 800 to 1000 x 2 at 2 ohms.... or 1600 to 2000 x 1 at 1 ohm mono.

If you wire them all separately... then 4 amps that are 500 x 1 @ 4 ohm will do the job as well.

Here's a Precision Power that's 1500 x 1 @ 1 ohm - just about right ... its $300 ---- 1,000 bucks off of list. http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/3284

http://www.ikesound.com/images/ebay/3284.jpg


4 speakers
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75 x 4 @ 4 ohms will do the job.

Here's a 75 x 4 @ 4 ohm precision power - same style as the one above so they match -- its $169 bucks...700 below list. http://www.ikesound.com/product-product_id/3287

http://www.ikesound.com/images/ebay/3287.jpg

[98thumpin]

allright, what about a box for the subs i could probabley build one, but i dont think i could build one for the subs, at least not a good one, so what do you suggest. ne ideas are appreciated.

[98thumpin]

ok id like to rub the subs with just one amp, Precision Power that's 1500 x 1 @ 1 ohm will this amp work good will one work or do i need more than one.
do you have any experience with precision power, what would u compare them to. as far as sound quality, and build quality.

[audiobliss]

Sound quality won't really matter for a sub amp. But considering the power this thing will be putting out and the resistance it will be seeing, I'd say that makes the reliability even more important.

[PoweredByDodge]

1500 is just enough to make this set of subs sing... 1800 would be nicer, but it'll pound the crap out of you with 1500 just fine.

Precision Power is owned by DEI now (DEI = Viper, Orion, and Directed Audio) -- all the Viper, Orion, Directed Audio and Precision Power amps are basically the same guts internally and the same build quality. They're just put in different casings.

As far as build quality - I would say it is EXTREMELY GOOD.

Sound quality factors like distortion, damping factor, and slew rate are not as good as I would normally like -- but as Bliss says... SQ isn't really the most important thing for subs... I would confidently use the Precision Power amp on the subs without worrying about it. It's plenty of power and its a well built amp from a reputable company.

As far as a box goes...

You're going to want about 0.75 cubic feet for the 12's and 0.6 cubic feet for the ten's. Use 3/4" birch plywood OR 3/4" MDF with internal bracing - if you use the plywood, then you won't need bracing. The box I have them in now is about 0.75 for the 12's and 0.6 for the 10's -- made out of 3/4" birch ply with caulk to seal the boards together, screws... and then caulk along the joints... 2 inch nuts, bolts, and lock washers hold the pairs of subs together, with foam weatherstrip insulation used as a "mounting gasket" to prevent air leaks between each sub's mounting ring and the box face. a rough drawing of what i'm talking about is attached.

When you mount the subs in ISO clamshell, you have to cut the box size in half... normally, for the ultimate transient response you'll use about a 1.0 - 1.2 cubic foot box for the 10's and a 1.5 cubic foot box for the 12's... So... cut that in half, that's 0.6 for the 10's and 0.75 for the 12's... now, because they're mounted iso-chamshell, you can dump gobs of power on them, still get that great transient response, and have all those nasty non-linearities cancel out. It's a great mounting method... it's just a total pain in the balls to get them in there just right. When I first mounted the 10's,the surrounds were so stiff that they weren't flexing the same way they would once they're broken in... the result was a light rubbing between the two surrounds... about an once and a half of axle grease (90w-140 which is about as close to tar is you're gonna get) left to soak into the surrounds over right really made them nice and pliable.... you can do that with a cloth, foam, or foam rubber surround, dont' even think about it with a butyl rubber one -- it wont soak up anything. Soon as i fired them up -- nice smooth motion, no issues. That's the other thing, anything less than 3/4 of an inch and the smidge you get from the gasket material will not be enough to keep the surrounds from contact... make sure you keep them separated or you'll have issues with it.

Of course if you're going to mount these normal, then none of this is a problem, you can jsut have a regular sub box built... I'd go with sealed... separate chambers... 0.75 for the 10's each... and 1 cube fr the 12's each... that'll give you a little less transient awesomeness, but you'll still be able to pound on them without issues...

I would sell you the box with the subs already mounted in it -- there's nothing wrong with it -- but then I'd have to ship all 4 subs and the box as 1 big package that weighs like 100 pounds. That would cost a fortune.... anything over 70 pounds, UPS and Fed Ex charge out the ass for ... And if I open up the box to ship you the subs separate and then the box separate, you'll have a hell of a time getting the back on again properly -- the back is both glued and screwed down... it's going to break into pieces when I pull it apart... you'll never get it seal properly again.

[98thumpin]

ok the iso method sounds great but im not sure im up to that task just yet. maybe down the road. so they will probably be mounted normal, will a car audio shop build a box for me or do i have to build one, if i have to build one itll take a a good bit of time?.

also with them mounted normal, can i still use one amp on all four of them, or will i need four amps? i just dont wanna **** up anything, and make it too complicated. i most likely wont be doing the install i dont think im ready yet so im going to have either cc do it or stereo joes, which is a indepent car audio store.

[98thumpin]

i love the way the baskets look on the subs, but ill never see that in the box though and thats a shame.

[PoweredByDodge]

You can mount them all inverted (backwards like that) -- just switch the + and - speaker wires...

anyway - ya the same amp will work fine for "normal" mounting as well.

far as a box -- anybody can make one dude -- you can make it yourself or you can pay some turkey at circuit city 60 bucks an hour tomake one... fer that kinda money you're better off building it yourself.

[98thumpin]

oh ok that would be awesome to have them inverted like that cause i love the way the baskets look on them, not to mention its not something ive seen alot of, so if i run them inverted, wire them out of phase? also i might sound dum but how do i wire up four subs on a mono block amp, and i noticed that the amp is a one ohm amp wont that kill the subs. i thought the ohm rating on the amp had to match the ohm rating on the speakers or subs?

also what would i need to build a box, whats a good way to seal a box? and
what was meant by clearences? how do i measure that ive just never built one, and i dont wanna mess it up u understand.

[PoweredByDodge]

amps to subs
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the ohm rating on the subs (as a total) must match the ohm rating on the amp -- four 4 ohm subs, wired in parallel (which means all the " + " wires tied together and all the " - " wires tied together) equals a single 1 ohm load. 4 divided by 4 = 1. if it was just two 4 ohm subs, then it would be a 2 ohm rating... 4 divided by 2 is 2... so what you're actually looking for, to wire up all 4 of those subs, is an amp that runs at 1 ohm.

out of phase
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yes, if you mount a sub inverted, then you have to wire it out of phase.

materials to build a box.
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3/4 inch MDF (medium density fiberboard) or 3/4 inch cabinet grade birch plywood (better than MDF).

2 inch long drywall screws.

100% silicon caulking.

wood glue (also called carpenter's glue - usually yellow or maroon in color).

1/4 or 3/8 inch adhesive foam weatherstripping (to use for gasket material)

... a drill, power screwdriver (or screwdriver bits for a drill), a jig saw, various rulers, a compass to trace the woofer mounting holes, decent tape measure, and some patience.

how to measure...
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for a square box... length x width x height = volume. but you have to subtract the thickness of the wood.

So... a box made of 3/4" material... with a 3/4" divider wall between each sub, with the subs mounted inverted...

15.5" high... x 5" deep on top... 11" deep on bottom ... x 52.5" long.

That'll give you a total of 2.7 cubic feet airspace for subs... that's 0.6 for each 10 and 0.75 for each 12.

if the two 10's are on the outside and the two 12's in the middle.... then the first wall should be 12.15" from the edge of the box. The second wall should be dead in the middle... the last wall ahould be 12.15" from the other edge of the box. again, this will give the speakers in the middle - the two 12's - 0.75 of air space... and the speakers on the ends, the 10's, 0.6 of air space.

That's a damn big box though... you'll probably want to think of something more suited to your vehicle.

[98thumpin]

yeah that does sound like a big damn box, so i was thinking and i thought about what if i mounted the two tens iso, and the two twelves inverted. would that work, to save space, i have a decent sized trunk its a crown victoria.

[PoweredByDodge]

there's a lotta stuff you can do... personally, if i had a crown vic... i'd be doing some wicked crazy box making... and build an amp rack into the box(es) and light it all up with neon, just trick it all out.

[98thumpin]

well ideas are great like i have said before im new to the car audio scene, my very first system was a 1000 watt pioneer amp and a sub box with two 500watt 12 inches, it was good but i just had factory speakers so there was alot of distortion, i also thought about entering a couple of competitons just to do it. but if i take a picture of my trunk can you give me sme box ideas, and design one for me, i suck at designing, but if i have a design and measurements i can build almost anything.

[PoweredByDodge]

i can do that, not a problem... i'll need length and depth and approximate height measurements of your useable trunk space as well.

[98thumpin]

ill measure it in the morning , by useable you mean where the box will be sitting right. bear in mind i dont want a box thats 4 feet high either, just one that will fit.

[PoweredByDodge]

exactly - by useable i mean "where it can sit" -- like if you have a trunk that's 5 feet wide, but on each side you have wheel wells sticking up that take up 6 inches each... then you only have 5 - 1/2 - 1/2 = 4 feet width. you get the idea.

[98thumpin]

yeah exactly got it ill have the measure ments probably tommorow afternoon for ya, and i was thinking an amp rack on the box or mounting the amps on top of the box, and ill post a pic of my trunk too.

[98thumpin]

well hear they are the measurements are 41 inches length, 26 width, 15 inches heighth. id hope the box doesnt have to be that wide cause man it would be an enormous box.

[98thumpin]

theres some pics of my trunk a little messy but its a big trunk.

[PoweredByDodge]

nah it's not gonna be that big... if it were, tha'd be like 2 cubic feet per sub, which is nuts...

lemme crunch some numbers - i'll reply later.

[98thumpin]

oh allright sounds good to me

[98thumpin]

kinda wonderin where you dissaperd to?"

[98thumpin]

well have you sold the stuff yet if not im planing on buying them real soon i told my wife i was serious.

[PoweredByDodge]

i'm still sitting on the stuff.

haven't had a chance to get back to you on box dims yet.

[98thumpin]

ok sounds good to me.