NEW SVS Plus Driver ' Plus 12.3' [Archive]

gyusher

04-14-2006, 06:56 AM

WOW!!

from a former +2 owner. . .Now I have the isd2 and love it too. . .

I bought my isd2 the last of Feb/early March this year and wanted another +2 but they were back ordered. At the time I was told they were experiencing a few issues with the old driver. I do not know if those issues were availability, function or service. My understanding was (rightly or not) that there were warrenty issues from a bad run of drivers. However in typical SVS style it looks like they came through just fine. . .Now I got the hots for another +2 if for no other reason than to check it out. . .

I have had their passive 2039, the Pb12+2, the isd10 and now the isd2. . . I was absolutly thrilled with every one of them. . . I am finding the isd2 to be just right for my room. . .

plattq45

04-14-2006, 01:49 PM

how did the plus/2 sound comparing to your isd/2 now? any major different?

gyusher

04-15-2006, 07:12 AM

how did the plus/2 sound comparing to your isd/2 now? any major different?

The +2 has more energy, punchier (in a good way) very clean and detailed for a subwoofer, no shortage of volume while the isd2 (mine anyway) is my soft spoken friend who is always there when I need him. The isd2 just does what it's supposed to do without fanfare. Sometimes I find myself wondering if she's there until a good bass note comes along and that thought leaves quickly.

The isd2 just sounds different, not bad, actually in some ways I like it more. I hate what I am fixing to say but it is more musical to me that the +2. . . I also had the 2039 with the same driver only a single, also a good sub but in my mind the isd2 sounds different than the 2039 too. . . better. . .

If I could have any sub that SVS built it would be hard to choose between the +2 and the isd2, forget about the Ultra. . we all know it is the king. . .

Holydoc

04-15-2006, 11:00 AM

Drifting a little bit off subject, SVS will be allowing plus owners a chance to upgrade their 12 inch speakers to the new 12.3 version for $99 soon. They are also going to allow you to retain your old driver to use as you wish. SVS's offer can be read here:

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/790416/page/0/fpart/2/vc/1

gyusher

04-15-2006, 01:53 PM

They never cease to amaze me. . .

malikarshad

04-17-2006, 01:12 PM

Its an awesome news and I'm thrilled by it. I have PB2+ and i would be glad to upgrade it rather than buying an Ultra:cool:

jdhdiggs

04-17-2006, 02:20 PM

krabby5

04-18-2006, 11:50 AM

I wonder if us non-plus owners could upgrade?

I have the PCI 25-31 (tuned to 22)

Holydoc

04-18-2006, 05:04 PM

I wonder if us non-plus owners could upgrade?

I have the PCI 25-31 (tuned to 22)

So far, non-plus owners are not going to be considered in the special upgrade deal. I am sure that you will be able to buy the speaker for $300+, but so far the $99 deal is for plus owners only.

Ron Temple

04-18-2006, 09:05 PM

RS is hinting at a new ISD driver shortly and there have been numerous questions about the viability of using the 12.2 drivers in the ISD tubes and boxes...no replies yet.

gyusher

04-24-2006, 06:50 AM

It's called the "NSD" driver. . . Check it out. . .

Holydoc

04-25-2006, 10:17 PM

As quoted directly from Tom Vodhanel of SVS Research and Development division:

Don't hold me to this...but I believe we will offer the NSD for $79 for a limited time. You could very likely sell the ISD driver for about the same amount to a DIYer(maybe even more?)...it(the isd) is a very good driver with about 15-16mm of clean excursion. Both the $99 plus12.3 upgrade and the $79NSD upgrade will be for a limited time(probably 30 days---starting in 4-6 weeks). We are definitely losing money on each one of these. So while we want to "take care of" past customers...we cannot support these prices indefinitely..:)

Tom V.
SVS

McLoki

04-25-2006, 10:21 PM

Someone please post in this thread or start a new one if you notice the time has come for our $99 sub upgrade. I will definately purchase the upgraded sub (and post any improvements I do/don't hear).

I was bummed when I heard that an ultra driver would not fit in my sub....

Michael

VR3

04-26-2006, 06:57 AM

Im going to be all over that NSD driver...lol

Next thing I will need to do is build an ISD DIY Subwoofer... ;)

gyusher

04-26-2006, 12:20 PM

Viola

VR3

04-26-2006, 02:46 PM

Anyone that replaces their ISD driver with the new one and want to sell it...

I call absolute dibs.

I want to build a PB2 ISD

criverajr

04-26-2006, 03:23 PM

Hey Sid,

I will keep you posted when I update my isd-10, I will only charge what I get the new one for. Get your DIY building on!

CRj

Ron Temple

04-26-2006, 04:05 PM

No word yet on the 10" ISD driver. They have only brought the 12" in house, to my knowledge. The 10" ISD is so good it's hard to improve :D .

VR3

04-26-2006, 04:52 PM

Nah I dont need/want the 10 - but I do want a 12...

McLoki

04-26-2006, 05:02 PM

Hey Sid,

I will keep you posted when I update my isd-10, I will only charge what I get the new one for. Get your DIY building on!

CRj

Nah I dont need/want the 10 - but I do want a 12...

Ditto (on the 12") Its yours if you want it Sid. :)

Michael

VR3

04-26-2006, 09:00 PM

Well, assuming the one selling it is upgrading their current sub to the new driver, I am semi expecting a "good" price on the ISD driver I do buy...

So keep that in mind. ;)

wallstreet

04-26-2006, 09:02 PM

Yep, I just had to order myself the mighty midget 25-31 to finish off the HT. :D I'm in the hopeless state of waiting for the damn thing to arrive.

G-force

04-27-2006, 02:11 AM

Yep, I just had to order myself the mighty midget 25-31 to finish off the HT. :D I'm in the hopeless state of waiting for the damn thing to arrive.

Same boat. Though I ordered mine with the optional 22hz port for a little more extension. Very excited!:D

Grimster74

05-10-2006, 06:57 AM

Does anyone know if/when SVS will start the Plus upgrade option to the 12.3 for $99. Haven't really followed this but I'm always looking to urgrade something.

Holydoc

05-10-2006, 09:31 AM

Near the end of the month is the predicted time for the upgrade option.

dipiazza

05-10-2006, 08:20 PM

This is pretty F-in sweet. Id love to upgrade my 20-39PCi driver with that new NSD... for $79??? you cant go wrong!

Ron Temple

05-10-2006, 08:29 PM

The Plus sub used to be the sweet spot of the SVS line, being (subjectively)far better than the ISD and almost as good as the Ultra. Now with the improved NSD driver that may change. ISD/NSD = greatly improved, Plus 12.2/12.3 = moderately improved. The current Ultra is a moderate improvement over the 12.3. I guess we'll need to stay tuned regarding the new Ultra.

RSTERN

05-20-2006, 11:26 AM

Updrade linkhttp://www.svsound.com/news-news.cfm Should be able to pre order before monday

dipiazza

05-20-2006, 11:29 AM

Good lookin out...

wallstreet

05-20-2006, 12:34 PM

Don't know what the old driver sounded like, but the one kicks butt. I've got blended seamlessly with the ls90's at a notch over 1/4. I can't imagine what would happen at 1/2 turn. I'm off to drop in the port plug to tune to 20hz. If I'm only running 1/4 volume on the sub and blending nicely with the mains, I'm not worried about any DB drop from adding the port.

wallstreet

05-20-2006, 02:20 PM

Top off, plug in, set switch to 20hz. Oh my! Daughter came running in, "turn the sound down!". Mission accomplished. Hmmm, I do have one more plug to go to 16hz...

PolknPepsi

05-21-2006, 05:45 PM

Sure am glad I stopped by.......you guys are up on the latest and greatest. A new driver for my cylinder?
I've recently been thinking about trading my sub for a nice tube preamp or something/anything else.:confused:

RSTERN

05-21-2006, 05:59 PM

Pre-orders are being taken. http://www.svsound.com/news-news.cfm
Rob

dipiazza

05-21-2006, 06:41 PM

Yep... NSD driver on the way...!

dipiazza

05-21-2006, 06:47 PM

Oh yea... probably gonna have my old ISD driver up for sale if anyone is interested.

halo

05-22-2006, 11:11 AM

Oh yea... probably gonna have my old ISD driver up for sale if anyone is interested.I think there will be plenty available in the CPFM when the upgrades start to ship - mine included! :)

Grimster74

05-22-2006, 03:31 PM

jdhdiggs

05-22-2006, 03:51 PM

From testing and messages with SVS, basically you gain about half (or more) of the performance gap between the Ultra and the Plus. On the NSD, it is equivelent (if not better) to the old + driver.

I went ahead and did it so that I'd have 2 DIY 12'2 or $100/each after upgrade

BIZILL

05-22-2006, 06:38 PM

am i not delving deep enough into this to reveal any comparison graphs/charts? i wouldn't mind getting THAT much closer to having an ULTRA.

Holydoc

05-22-2006, 06:49 PM

I will probaly get rolled for this question but I have to ask? What exactly will one gain from upgrading to the new plus drivers? I have money in hand and I'm ready to pull the order but I want to get as much info as I can before I pull the trigger. Would I be better off putting the money towards something else or would it be money well spent for the upgrade? To me and hopefully someone else will explain a little better but I just don't see that much of a gain going from dual 12" subs to dual 12.3" subs. Could someone please elaborate a little more on this subject. Thanks.

Grim,

Here is the only spot I have seen a decent review of the two speakers:

http://www.hometheaterspot.com/htsthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/791718/page/0/fpart/1/vc/1/nt/2

The reasoning to make this purchase is that SVS claims that the new speakers have a 1 to 2db increase, better musically, and also have a 3 year warranty on them. So basically, if nothing else, you are extending the warranty of your system by 3 years for $99 as well.

http://www.svsound.com/news-news.cfm
:)

Holydoc

05-22-2006, 11:58 PM

I think there will be plenty available in the CPFM when the upgrades start to ship - mine included! :)

Can't argue with that. I am not a DIY person so I will definitely not be needing the old plus speaker.

VR3

05-23-2006, 06:39 AM

I will buy an old driver from somebody for 50 + Shipping.

May buy more than one - so let me know.

Grimster74

05-23-2006, 07:59 AM

Placed my order for the updated drivers this morning. Now, with my woodworking abilities, looking to do a DIY sub for upstairs with the old drivers.

jdhdiggs

05-23-2006, 09:08 AM

My maggies could use a sub to play with so I'll be going the DIY route as well.

RSTERN

05-23-2006, 09:16 AM

DIY route myself. Now to start looking for a plate amp. Might try to pickup a second and do stereo subs.
Rob

Grimster74

05-23-2006, 10:19 AM

I, myself, am thinking about an end table design. Where would I find the specs. on this sub so I know what type of amp to use, box design, etc.?

halo

05-23-2006, 10:53 AM

How would these "old" (4 months in my case) SVS ISD drivers fare in an infinite baffle design?

BIZILL

05-23-2006, 11:01 AM

got my two new plus drivers on order, yo!!! $241.17 total shipped. not too shabby.:) :) :)

jdhdiggs

05-23-2006, 11:22 AM

How would these "old" (4 months in my case) SVS ISD drivers fare in an infinite baffle design?

1 by itself won't do a whole lot. With IB, you need a lot of displacement since you do not gain volume/effiency from ports or a passive radiator. Figure volume (loudness) to be similar to a sealed sub of the same size. It would work, but it won't reult in the "OMG" upgrade most get going IB.

halo

05-23-2006, 11:26 AM

1 by itself won't do a whole lot. With IB, you need a lot of displacement since you do not gain volume/effiency from ports or a passive radiator. Figure volume (loudness) to be similar to a sealed sub of the same size. It would work, but it won't reult in the "OMG" upgrade most get going IB.I was thinking that since quite a few would be for sale in the near future someone could get 2-4 ISD or Plus drivers and have a killer IB sub, no?

jdhdiggs

05-23-2006, 11:56 AM

I was thinking that since quite a few would be for sale in the near future someone could get 2-4 ISD or Plus drivers and have a killer IB sub, no?

Gotcha, I was being a bit dumb. Thought you were implying that you'd use yours alone. 4 should acquit themselves quite nicely.

MattN03

05-30-2006, 11:05 PM

Anyone want to comment on any improvements they noticed when switching from a ISD to the NSD? I bought a 20-39 PCi at the very beginning of April, but I believe mine shipped with the 12" ISD woofer instead of the latest and greatest :(

BIZILL

05-31-2006, 02:22 AM

dunno about the isd or nsd, but the new plus subs aren't slated to be shipped until july sometime. reviews are to follow...

Polkitup2

05-31-2006, 06:31 PM

Ordered my two 12.3 replacements as well. Better musical performance would be a big plus.

MattN03

06-01-2006, 08:37 AM

I checked with Ron & Erik at SVS and Erik confirmed that my PCi was actually built with the NSD woofer. Mine was shipped about the first week of April 06 FYI.

dipiazza

06-01-2006, 12:09 PM

Should be easy to check, if its a PCi and the woffer is Black its ISD... if the woofer is gray its NSD.

MattN03

06-01-2006, 01:48 PM

Should be easy to check, if its a PCi and the woffer is Black its ISD... if the woofer is gray its NSD.

That is what I thought according to their website pics, but mine appears to have a black cone... :confused:

MattN03

06-01-2006, 08:19 PM

Should be easy to check, if its a PCi and the woffer is Black its ISD... if the woofer is gray its NSD.

Ok, here is the respone I received from Ron for verifying which driver you have.

"Matt,

The better way to know is to pop off the grill and shine a light down the port.

If you see a black steel basket then it’s an NSD. If it’s a silver cast aluminum basket it’s the ISD.

Ron

SVS"