Behringer Truth B2031A

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

http://www.behringer.com/B2031A/index.cfm?lang=ENG

Features -
- Ultra-linear frequency response from 50 Hz to 21 kHz with individual frequency diagrams
- Built-in 150- and 75-Watt power amps with enormous power reserve
- Ultra high-resolution ferrofluid-cooled tweeter
- Long-throw 8 ¾" woofer with special polypropylene diaphragm and deformation-resistant aluminum die-cast chassis
- Controlled dispersion characteristics and extremely large “sweet spot” owing to the unique BEHRINGER wave guide technology
- Active crossover network with 4th order Linkwitz-Riley filters
- Adjustable to a wide range of acoustic conditions and subwoofer operation
- Separately controlled limiter for low and high frequency overload protection
- Automatic standby mode (defeatable)
- Magnetic shielding allows placement near computer monitors
- Delivered as “matched pairs” with individual frequency diagrams
- Low-vibration and environment-friendly E1 MDF cabinet
- Servo-balanced inputs with XLR and ¼” TRS connectors
- Conceived and designed by BEHRINGER Germany

$339.00 A Pair

http://www.behringer.com/B2031A/B2031A_medium.jpg

I am now working at a Music Store called Music N' More (Concord, NC) (Anyone local, stop on by and Ill sell you anything - we sell Feedback Destroyers and these lil Gems and anything else youd need)

Ill give you guys a review later, but let me just go ahead and say these may be one fo the biggest values Ive ever come across.

[Early B.]

Sid -- where the hell have you been? Just thinking about you 'cause I'm putting poly on my new speakers as we speak.

Good to see you landed a gig at a music and hifi store.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Just getting the hell away from here man. I know that sounds bad, but its just gotten old. I needed some time to myself to sort some crap out and what not. I doubt you will see me around to much, but I can always be reached elsewhere -

Which new speakers are we talking about? What did you pick up? Details man!

Thanks, Im enjoying it so far, Ive been learning so much about instruments and what not - tons of crap and alot more to go.

The cool thing is I can get these killer speakers at cost. Dude, you should go to your local Behringer dealer and audition these things (in home) right now...

For what they cost, they are a steal.

[HiPerf360]

German design with China build....

Behringer is the real deal, I have some musician friends and everything i have seen from Behringer is very nice.

[F1nut]

I doubt you will see me around to much, but I can always be reached elsewhere -


We had to endure you for 2+ years of zany questions and frantic posting and now that you've finally gained enough knowledge to share some of it, you're off to other things. Oh well, I quess we all have to leave the teet sometime. Good luck!

[Tour2ma]

Audio Store Sid.... has a nice ring to it. Congrats, Lil' Bro...

Don't worry about, Jesse. It's just the early stages of "postpartum depression". As one who has needed and taken numerous breaks, I know where you're coming from. And it appears to me that you are sharing some of your new found learning.

Looking forward to your review...

[Early B.]

Which new speakers are we talking about? What did you pick up? Details man!

No big deal -- just three cheap ass BIC center channels for my front soundstage. They sound very good, though.

I'd love to check out those Behringers, but you gotta tell us what you like about them. How do they compare with the Polk RTi's or Lsi's? Looking forward to your review. What else does your store sell?

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

The Behringers pretty much kicked my DT's @$$ man... I mean, I don't know how to say it any better.

They have a massive soundstage that is very clear and seperated - every instruments have their own body. What they really excelled in was the vocals and drums - the drums were astouding at the body and detail they possessed - I could clearly hear the toms and the cymbals at any volume.

The singer, unlike my DTs had "prescence" - very forward away from everything else and just...tons of body and clarity...

I mean I dont know what to tell you, everything is so rich, detailed, clear - defined, for their price - you CANT/WONT beat them. You dont need an amp for them either. For 340 a pair - they are a steal.

Im getting them for 230...

We sell mostly instruments (Guitars, band, drums, etc etc etc etc - any you can think of) and PA equipment/recording equipment.

These are "studio monitors" - they are called the Truth speaker because their response is very flat, designed to be very neutral while being very revealing.

As soon as I plugged them up, I knew it was pretty much impossible to go back to my DTs...

As for comparison to the RTi line? Thats a joke - there is none. The RTi line couldnt hold a candle to this par of speakers.

The LSi line would be close, but Id put my money on these monitors man... Id have to do an AB comparison, but I just dont see the LSi's being a comparison - especially since you are getting dual amps (150 = lows, 70 = highs) with toridial transformers and a massive 8.75" woofer and an amazing tweeter for basically nothing compared to what we spend on speakers.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Why are you putting a clear on them Early? Arnt they a vinyl?

[Midnite Mick]

Well you got me interested!

Mike

[heiney9]

Aren't those studio monitors? From what I know those are for near field listening to mix music. It's been my understanding that they are great in a near field situation but unlike home audio speakers loose "it" very quickly when you move more 2-3 feet away from them.

H9

[Joey_V]

Sounds like these would make solid computer speakers... I'll recommend these the next time someone asks for a purely 2.0 computer based setup.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

They are "near-field" speakers, and I honestly cant say they are losing anything - they are some of the best speakers Ive heard for the price...

Also note that Im sitting about 5-6 feet away...

The imaging far surpasses anything thats been in this room as far as definition (stability) and seperation, they are far from "falling apart"...

Their near-field staging is flat out amazing as well..

These are something you should give a try, 100%

[heiney9]

We have a brand new "Guitar Center" store that just opened in town and I know they carry a full line of Behringer studio gear, so I'll go do some investigating.

H9

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

While I am talking out of my rear... ;)

There is absolutely nothing on these speakers that would make them stage/sound different than home monitors at a distance.

I have heard these things at a near field location (1 foot away) and their staging was astouding, but when placed farther away they staged just like normal* speakers do - they just do it amazingly with tons of width and depth and seperation...

The speakers have alot of switches on the back...

There are switches for different type of placements you would put them in, they also have tweeter and bass switches (to lower the volume or boost it), and you can also turn either driver completely off (for whatever reason)...

All I can say is give these things a try, for 340 bucks - what do you have to lose?

All I advise is - take them home. The mixer at the store I work at vieled their sound tremendously. Once I got them home and put them on my B&K and Onix gear, they opened up tremendously...

Note they only accept 1/4" plugs and XLR (I am using XLR)...

[Zero]

for 340 bucks - what do you have to lose?

340 bucks? hehe

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Dude, thats NOTHING compared to what you, me, others have spent on speakers and amps.

Thats 340 bucks for the amps and the speakers. Basically four amps (two mono blocks per channel)

[heiney9]

I'm old school and I've never been around gear designed for studio use that does well in the home application, so I am very skeptical, especially of genuine studio monitors. So pardon my apprehension. All the switches, settings, and 1/4 jacks do nothing to bolster my confidence. I completely understand what the switches etc are for, but.....

Funny thing is me and a buddy went to the Grand Opening of the Guitar Center store and he saw a pair of Behringer (not sure if they were exactly the same model) looked at the price and he wanted to use them at home. I told him they were for studio mixing and he could do much better buying proper home audio speakers.

So who knows......I've never seen/heard a pro piece of gear that performed as well as well designed home piece of gear. Two completely different applications and different results. I'm just going to have to give it a shot myself before I say positively it's a bad thing.

H9

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Hmm,
I know alot of people on S&V like the Mackie studio monitors for Home Use, and the Behringer truth series was built based on the Mackies...

But I would try to see if you can take them home, I wouldnt go off a store demo...

[Zero]

Hell Sid...... I spend more than that traveling to various locations getting my MILF on. Speaking of which, I *know* you have pics, and I also know where you live.. somethings gunna have to give there kiddo.

As for active speakers. Its a great way to fly.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Youre a sick dude.

[Zero]

Guilty as all get-out... now what scares me is that with this crowd, I by contrast am almost 'kosher'.

[Early B.]

Why are you putting a clear on them Early? Arnt they a vinyl?

To make them nice and shiney...is there any other reason?

I'd love to hear those Behringers in a home setting. I wonder how "musical" they are.

When it comes to audio gear, I stopped being a skeptic a long time ago.

I'd like someone to explain the difference between the application for a studio monitor and a bookshelf speaker built for the home. The reason I'm asking the question is because I've seen a few "high end" bookshelf speakers boasting about being used as studio monitors.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I just did a quick read...

Studio Monitors are eqd' for a flat response...

So at farther distances they have limited volume...

Seems like the max distance for a studio monitor in a home setting is like 8-10 feet...

How does that vinyl look with a clear coat?

[Midnite Mick]

Please forgive my ignorance but I thought that all good speakers were designed for a flat response.

Mike

[Early B.]

How does that vinyl look with a clear coat?

Great.

Max distance for a studio monitor is 8 - 10 ft.? Shouldn't be a problem for most of us critical listener types in a typical room. Correct?

Flat response? That's a design goal for lots of speakers on the market, isn't it? Not sure, just tryin' to get some learnin'.

[organ]

Damn Sid. Congrats on your new monitors. Is it possible that the Def Tech may outperform them in a larger room? Maybe you're getting too much reflections in a small room?

How loud can they go? I wouldn't mind giving them a shot one day. The price is very attractive. Very cool how you'll only need a source and pre to run them.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

You would be surprised at how the goal for most oem mainstream speakers is not a flat response, but to get you to buy the product in the store.

ALOT of speakers you see in CC, Tweeter, the works is designed to grab your attention right off the bat. This trait is a brighter top end and a punchier low end. This is something you generally do not want most of the time for music, but great for HT and grabbing the attention. Bose is great at this...

Studio Monitors are like ruler flat I believe, the transition between the mids and highs with this speaker is amazing, the active xover was designed brilliantly...

The DTs, in a large room would kick their tail, no doubt... The BP10B is a great speaker through and through, but these Behringers are doing the job for alot less and doing it better (for my small room)...

I dont like powered towers (half passive, half powered) - eff that, but all the way? I love that, and I love the switches, I thought Id never say that - but you can completely customize this speakers sound with the room.

I am going to get a pair tommorow or order one, I am running a floor model right now that i have to return tommorow...

I plan to get some 8' XLR from Signal and some 8' power cables from Zebra. (Eventually) - Along with some higher end stands from Dayton.

If you like it REALLY loud, which I sometimes do for some songs I really like - you will have to run a subwoofer. You will also have to turn the low frequency switch to -6db... Which makes them sound better regardless..

[Schris22]

intresting find Sid.

I'll be looking into these my next room is tiny. I'll be looking at the passive version though since I have amplification. I have a dealer that doesn't have these on hand, but well I'm sure he can get it so I can listen.

Chris

[F1nut]

Studio Monitors are eqd' for a flat response...


Just a counter point.....a flat response does not always make for a musical speaker.

[dorokusai]

Just a counter point.....a flat response does not always make for a musical speaker.

Amen. A studio "monitor" utilizing a flat response is for a purpose, not because it's the best.

[heiney9]

Last word on the subject from me, because I'm not debating. Studio/Pro gear rarely makes itself worthwhile for home use. It has been this way for along time. Two completely different set of expectations and executions. Same fact for home gear, it rarely makes itself worthwhile as studio/pro gear. It's just a fact. Glad you are enjoying those speaks Sid.

H9

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Interesting - most recording studios use Home speakers for their mix.

I never said a flat response made them musical. I just explained the difference - since it is eqd' - it has some volume restrictions. Main difference.

[Tour2ma]

I'm genuinely curious as to why on one hand flat speakers are bad, but at the same time tone controls and equalizers are to be avoided at all costs as well...

On the surface those would seem to be polar opposites.

[heiney9]

There is no such thing as "flat". With source components, cables, room acoustics, source material, speakers, tone controls, speaker wires, hearing differences, expectations and many other variables, there is no such thing as a "flat response".

As usual we all go with what apeals to our own ears and tastes. Certainly we can make general statements which are usually only 50% true for 50% of the people. I know I made a generalization. All other things being equal I think it's pretty much true (see above 50/50 analogy) IMHO.

Tone controls are evil and a flat speaker sounds.........well flat. My problem w/ tone controls are they are very rudimentary and cover far to wide of bandwidth to do much good. The compensation curves are over a very large range and most are just boosting or cutting those broad frequencies, they aren't really correcting anything. They are just messing with our perception.

H9

[Early B.]

Studio/Pro gear rarely makes itself worthwhile for home use. It has been this way for along time. Two completely different set of expectations and executions. Same fact for home gear, it rarely makes itself worthwhile as studio/pro gear. It's just a fact.

Can anyone elaborate on this? What are the different set of expectations between studio monitors and home speakers?

[SKsolutions]

Sudio monitors are by design not overly musical or dynamic. While their respose may be flat, they are not designed to be flat, but designed to produce an average response - a response that if sounds good on a monitor, will sound good on most home speakers.
It's a step in the mix-down where you have to compensate for what it will be played on by the listener. It might be listened to in a car, or reproduced on a PA to a crowd of 80 thousand. The studio monitor is the baseline, not the cans.
I've used M&K, Fostex, Behriniger, Tannoy, Mackie, Alesis, KRK, EV, JBL when they didn't suck and many others that I cant remember from another life. They don't generally have much sonic character or deliver exceedinly accurate reproduction. Thats why it's hard to describe how they sound. They are however very revealing and can be listened to for hours without much fatigue. Great TV speakers, but not so hot for 2 channel in my opinion. I predict Sid will get bored with these quicker than he thinks. I took a pair home and the shine lasted for a few weeks, when I found something more dynamic.

Dig em while they shine Sid. If your happy, I'm sorry if I killed your buzz.

[Early B.]

Cool. Thanks for the explanation.

[dorokusai]

Flat or average response is the same thing....guess it depends on what audio dictionary you use.

[SKsolutions]

:D Get Bent

[dorokusai]

:D Get Bent

No problem...got that covered already.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Cant kill my buzz about them, I know what I hear...

I looked at the FR chart of these speakers that were in the box, they really are "ruler" flat. I dont give a crap either way, I just know I like the way they sound.

To me, they are VERY dynamic, particularly in the snare and vocals... I also find them on the bright side, which is right up my alley.

You can slam them all you want, but until you remove the "monitor = bad" because its a "pro speaker" - you wont ever like them, even if you know they are better than what you have. Ive done that before, brand/type bias goes a long way.

If you think I am going to replace speakers I highly praised/praise because of price - you're nuts. If that was the case, id own some Beemer bookshelfs right now that came through here a while ago. GREAT speakers, just didnt cut it - cost alot less but sounded great...

These Behringers have the cost and performance that is supperrior is my room and matches my taste - I thoroughly enjoyed them and am just spreading the word...

I'm using a 800 dollar preamp instead of a dirty ol mixer as well, so take that one to the thought process bank and spin on it. ;)

[Zero]

I like your enthusiasm Sid. I've heard these speakers, and will keep my comments out of this thread.

Just the same, you should know how it goes 'roun here... enjoying something unorthodox is damn near a sin.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Sean your opinion dont count. Your ears like a freakin bat.

You bat.

[RuSsMaN]

If we all liked the same thing, life would be pretty boring.

Sid finally had the 'other' one drop, he can take a negative comment in stride with the rest of us. Personally, a lot of us have seen the lad through his audio journey so far, I respect his opinion (and his ears) - he's certainly asked enough questions, demoed a ton of gear (in his own home), done the DIY thing in spades, modded gear etc, etc.....

If he says they are worth putting my ears on, I'll certainly put them on the list.

Cheers,
Russ

PS, Madmax (Chuck) is the only member on the board that craps guano.

[heiney9]

Sid, you hear what you like.....you like what you hear. :)

[F1nut]

Sean your opinion dont count.

BINGO!!!

[F1nut]

Sid, all I was saying is that by making a speaker, any speaker have a flat response doesn't mean that it will sound good. It might and it might not. I'm not knocking your speaker or your opinion.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Ah, man I know...

Ive heard a few ruler flat speakers over the past few years...

Ive come to learn that just because they are designed to be ruler flat - dosnt mean they end up being ruler flat. Seems that when they are ruler flat, the other components (particularly the tweeter) comes more into play...

These speakers use an Aluminum/Titanium tweeter and it gives the speakers a brighter, more involving sound - regardless of their chart. I found that to be very nice and impressive...

Their low end is nothing special, they definitely need a subwoofer - you can run them full range, but only at near-field...

PS: For those in the arguing mood - I know the room changes the FR graph ;)

[Tour2ma]

So we're supposed to argue that you don't know that?

Personally, I've never seen a ruler flat speaker FR test graph... even anechoic, let alone heard one in the real world. Then again I am now far removed from a ruler flat pair of ears in part due to a hefty dose of stupidity while messin' around with a 357 magnum a couple decades ago.

Sid,
Does your store have a web site? And if not, are they aware of your talents in that area?

[organ]

It's funny you guys mentioned this. One of the sales guy at the store I worked at really knew his stuff and one time he was talking to me about the M&K that we carried vs other speakers. He talked about them being flat and some people didn't like them for that reason.

I gave them a good listen. They're great and musical on good recordings. They really excelled on DVD-A and SACD.

[dipiazza]

These look real interesting. I want to get a desk system. Right now im just using some old dahlquists and an ancient kenwood receiver. They really arent getting it done in my dorm room and i think these might bet the ticket.

Any idea what kind of sound card would be best to use with these guys?

Im running a laptop, and that would be my primary source so i would need some kind of USB external soundcard with 1/4'' or XLR outputs. Right now i use an M-Audio Sonica Theater... all its got is coax out and then headpone jacks out to each speaker. It works basically like a pre. but i need somethin else.

Maybe you could check out what you got at the store or what they reccomed for usage with these speakers in a laptop setting as source.

thanks!

-Jake

[SKsolutions]

Cant kill my buzz about them, I know what I hear...

You can slam them all you want, but until you remove the "monitor = bad"

. . . and spin on it. ;)

Sid,

I was sincere when I said I was not looking to be a buzzkill. In the course of working in the field, I used many of them. They are supposed to sound good. They are 'Studio' equip. They are made to be listenable for hours without fatigue. They are made to be very detailed and forward, but they shouldn't be 'bright' which causes fatigue in most.

I would still have a pair of old Fostex if I didn't hock them years ago when times were tight. I used them in the bedroom as a second sys and loved em for what they were. I haven't heard the model you have, I was just providing some insight into what the intended application for Studio Monitors.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

About the soundcard question...

All you need to run these on a sound card is an adapter or cable that goes from a XLR or 1/4 to an 1/8" plug (computer jack plug) - that would be your "cheapest" way out. That is what I would have to recomend someone in the store.

Alot of stores will "custom" make you a cable, possible a 1/4" jack to an 1/8" jack...

SK,
I appreciate it. Ive owned and heard alot of speakers, and I dunno - Ive just come to ignore "uses", "cost" and "brand" - they really are...meaningless in the end...

To be quite honest with you, while the Behringer Truth was "good" at near-field with some decent staging, I wasnt that impressed with their center staging (side staging was phenominal) or clarity at a nearfield stance, but man - once I got them away from me, it was an entirely different ball game.

Now sure, I have better placement, Im running a preamp instead of a mixer - but Im sure 90% (if not higher) of the monitors you've heard were on a mixer and not a preamp...

I mean, ya know...

[Joey_V]

To be quite honest with you, while the Behringer Truth was "good" at near-field with some decent staging, I wasnt that impressed with their center staging (side staging was phenominal) or clarity at a nearfield stance, but man - once I got them away from me, it was an entirely different ball game.


Isnt side-staging indicative of the inability to image at all? This isnt anything to call "phenomenal" I think.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I love side staging, and umm - if my speakers couldnt stage...away from the center - I wouldnt own them.

Who wants everything in the center?

At near-field, The Behringers had a 180 degree sound field with music, which is about what I expected at a nearfield... it placed instruments/vocals in that type of manner.

In one song the guy was showing me, it was like some big dude was rapping in my right ear...

You'll have to explain more...as your comments made as much sense to me as mine made to you.

On a side note...

I would love to own speakers that posessed side staging in a normal stereo setup.

I mean, imagine if there was two guitarist, and instead of sandwhiching one between the far left guitarist and the singer in the center, you put the far left guitarist like to the left stage (parallel to your ear) and put the one that would be in the middle to the place the far left guitarist usually would be.

Maybe I have different perspective on imaging. Right, Wrong - who cares, I want something that I enjoy! :) - but just so you know, in a conventional setup, their stage is also conventional - has the height, width, depth, and the occasional front to back ambience...along with some ambience side staging...

[organ]

Wow Sid, you must really like these new speakers. Saw your FS posts at the FM forum. Glad you've found something that works great for you. I gotta say, it looks like your taste is changing too. You went from sweet and laid back to a more forward tweeter.

I agree with you about the metal tweets. I really like the ones on my RF's. They seem to have better snap and transient. Probably explains why I like the tri-lams a lot on Polk's older RT line.

[PolkThug]

Please forgive my ignorance but I thought that all good speakers were designed for a flat response.

Mike

I think it goes back to the "truth vs. beauty" idea.

[organ]

True, I find that Polk speakers have more emphasis in the mid range and upper bass. This IMO, makes them musical. My current RF speakers aren't flat but I love the sound.

Some like it flat, others want voluptuous.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

The DTs were actually fairly bright, these are slightly calmer, yet has more detail - all depends on the taste.

You can always tell when you're hearing a better speaker, because it just sounds more open and detailed...

Love it, now if I can just get rid of my radio problem.

[organ]

What radio problem?

[dipiazza]

Sid, Have you ever heard the DT powermonitors? The bookshelves with the powered woofers? I was thinking those might be something worth a try.

However the DT dealers near me dont carry the line, kinda weird.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I cant stand powered sub speakers. Nothing is harder to setup and more annoying to deal with.

That aside, you wont get a better full range monitor that is built better. Those things have like 1" thick HDF wood - very heavy, very well built.

In that price range though, your looking at so many options - LSi, Def Tech towers, you name it - tons of stuff. But the power monitors series is nice if you like the design.

Radio problem, the right speaker is picking up a major radio station. The guys at Behringer said 1 out of 10 have this problem... and to try a plug that disabled the ground (which Im not going to try, I dont believe in adaptors at all - atleast on my mains/main amps) ----the other option is to send it to them and have a shielding thing added. They said it will cost me, but I am going to have to call them and let me know that if 1 out of 10 of these speakers feature this issue, then they should have this shielding piece IN the loudspeaker already.

[organ]

I don't think disabling the ground will cause any problem. It's pretty much like a cheater plug.

Is the problem on your pair or the pair borrowed from the store?

[Schris22]

must have been an interesting shock when you heard that right speaker. 1 out of 10 sounds pretty high...agree with you on how the shielding should already be implemented in all of them.

[Tour2ma]

At near-field, The Behringers had a 180 degree sound field with music, which is about what I expected at a nearfield... it placed instruments/vocals in that type of manner.

I mean, imagine if there was two guitarist, and instead of sandwhiching one between the far left guitarist and the singer in the center, you put the far left guitarist like to the left stage (parallel to your ear) and put the one that would be in the middle to the place the far left guitarist usually would be.Very nearfield listening starts approaching headphone listening, which present pretty much the imaging I think you are describing in your second paragraph...

[SKsolutions]

SK,
I appreciate it. Ive owned and heard alot of speakers, and I dunno - Ive just come to ignore "uses", "cost" and "brand" - they really are...meaningless in the end..

Now sure, I have better placement, Im running a preamp instead of a mixer - but Im sure 90% (if not higher) of the monitors you've heard were on a mixer and not a preamp...
I mean, ya know...

At that time is was Tascam ADAT or 2" tape output to $100,000+ >108db SNR console. . quite different from a $250 Gemini or NuMark.

I understand that you think that a mixer is noisy, but like home products where there is a difference between low and high end, there is a difference in mix-amps and gig-gear and the Studio gear in the Pro arena. There is almost no measurable noise. There should be None that you would hear.

Most Sudio Monitors usually have a low Mms and Xmax, with an efficient motor structure and are either small full range single driver (old school Fostex) or 2 way with a extended freq response woofer crossed much higher than most home speaks. This usually produces the desired nearfield imaging that is the goal of a monitor. What you have may not be in that category.

For what it's worth, I've crossed the line Pro/comsumer line with gear and each side would look at me funny. . . .>>>. . wife wonders why there is a 6Ft EV bass cab in the living room.:mad:

[madmax]

I heard a set of JBL studio monitors I liked at close range. Have you compared the Behringers to any other brands yet?
madmax

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Nah - the Behringers are cheap and sound amazing.

Fact is, the Behringers sound great - have some volume restrictions...

But Im working 6 days a week + school... Little to no time man... 300 buck spooks over 1000 sp/amp combo makes more sense - and they sound better, in my small room.

[madmax]

I mean, imagine if there was two guitarist, and instead of sandwhiching one between the far left guitarist and the singer in the center, you put the far left guitarist like to the left stage (parallel to your ear) and put the one that would be in the middle to the place the far left guitarist usually would be.

Did you say SDA?
madmax

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I dont want to step on any toes now... ;)

But Ive heard SDA and thats not how they imaged, to me -

And if that is how they image, I dont want nothing to do with that. I like VERY strong center images.

[heiney9]

Sid, not to be argumentative, but SDA's work to cancel out a natural byproduct of the limits "stereo" reproduction imposes during playback. Properly set-up SDA's should convey the most realistic spatial cues if the recording isn't 'effed up during mixing/mastering. I think people sometimes lose site of what SDA is and how it works.....not you specifically, but others on this board who haven't been around SDA's alot. Many people have misconceptions about how SDA's were designed and what they can do. That being said they certainly aren't for everyone, that's what choices are all about.

H9

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Well I know about SDAs like the back of my hand - had the product and idea shoved down my brain for like 4 years...

Its a great idea, I just...havnt heard a pair yet that I liked (atleast not enough to go out and buy a pair, Ive thought about it though a few times)... Ive only heard the TOTLs too - 1.2TL and SRT, but that also may be the problem. They are great speakers, sound magnificant - but they just dont do much for me. Ill take the forward center image and small stage anyday over that expansive sound the SDAs have, even if it is more "seperated"...

But like I said, I have very different theories as to how my stereo should sound than most people, I have completely different goals. Ive already tried the thing everyone else said was great and I hated it. So I started looking at what people said was horrible - which I ended up liking.

SDAs are great, but yeah - definitely not my cup of tea.

Now that I think about it, I cant stand headphones either, nothing annoys me more than someone talking in my head... lol

[Tour2ma]

Don't judge all SDA's by either your Dad's rig (not good placement) or Polk HQ (pretty much the same plus no upgrades). At least keep an open mind through mid-october or so...

max,
You talking L-100's or other JBL?

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Oh yeah man...

Im definitely looking forwards to hearing a properly setup pair - dont get me wrong at all. But so far, I havnt heard a pair that tickled my fancy...lol

You know how it is though, you have to go off of what you've seen and heard...

[SKsolutions]

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Now that I think about it, I cant stand headphones either, nothing annoys me more than someone talking in my head... lol

Does this happen often, and if so, is there usually nobody else in the room?

:D