Day without Immigrants?

[pmckeealaska]

A day without criminals......sounds like a good idea to me. Round em up and ship em home.............yeeeeeeeeeeeeeehaw!

[Skynut]

I wonder what would happen if all our prison inmates rallied for their freedom?
After all the only thing they did was break the law right?
It is pretty rediculous that we should listen to law breakers who want the laws to change in their favor.

[F1nut]

Day without Immigrants?


Good, just make it permanent!

[keith allen]

Good, just make it permanent!
+1 Nut!

[brettw22]

I don't know why INS isn't taking this as a perfect opportunity to shovel them all into Shipping Containers via Snowplows or something of the sort and ship them all back home. What better opportunity are we going to have?

[Demiurge]

Getting all the water out does no good unless you stop the leak.

[BIZILL]

I don't know why INS isn't taking this as a perfect opportunity to shovel them all into Shipping Containers via Snowplows or something of the sort and ship them all back home. What better opportunity are we going to have?
RIOTS TO ENSUE?

[brettw22]

I'm sure there are plenty of expendables that would be willing to die for the cause.....lol.

[Sami]

The day without immigrants? This country would be pretty empty seeing how little native americans there are left.

[-justin-]

Stop kidding yourselves, we're all immigrants.

~JB

[Demiurge]

Legal.

[Skynut]

Legal.


There is the magic word.


I was reading that the illegals make up 5% of the workforce.
Don't we have a 5% unemployment figure?
Coincidence? I think not.

[Sami]

There is the magic word.


I was reading that the illegals make up 5% of the workforce.
Don't we have a 5% unemployment figure?
Coincidence? I think not.
Ask yourself how many of those 5% are not willing to work and that's why they are unemployed? I know plenty of legals who are too lazy to work.

[first capital]

Have to give some of them credit for what they are willing to go through to get into the country to try and earn a living.

[Skynut]

I honestly believe that the government uses the immigrants to help hold our wages down.
Lower wages help keep America competitive with other devoloping countries however, it sucks for us workers.

And yes there are many legal, able body people capable of working that just choose not to.

[PhantomOG]

Have to give some of them credit for what they are willing to go through to get into the country to try and earn a living.

I give credit to people like my wife and her parents who came here legally, (waiting years, sponsorship, etc.) learned to speak English, and pay taxes and contribute to society.

Amnesty to illegal immigrants from Mexico is a slap in the face to the thousands of people who have worked hard *AND* obeyed the immigration laws in place.

[brettw22]

Exactly Phantom.......It should be a slap in the face to every legal immigrant here in the US if our country caves into people who have no regard for the rules in which this game is played. And no, a rule change that gives them free reign with no responsibility to this country is not right.

If they want to work in this country doing the jobs that the legal americans don't want to, then tax them slightly less, but to have no way for them to be taxed is assinine. You work here, you pay here.

[Skynut]

I give credit to people like my wife and her parents who came here legally, (waiting years, sponsorship, etc.) learned to speak English, and pay taxes and contribute to society.

Amnesty to illegal immigrants from Mexico is a slap in the face to the thousands of people who have worked hard *AND* obeyed the immigration laws in place.


And another good point.

Immigrants here LEGALLY are way different than those who go around the process.
As was mentioned earlier we are all immigrants. (even the indians were not here at one point.)

[Demiurge]

They need to make it harder to get in illegally. I think that should be square one.
Then they need to make it easier to get in legally. Right now it's a complete bitch of a process. Just ask anyone who has needed to do it.

While it would be nice to say "ship them all out," it's just never going to happen. Nobody is going to attach their name to that, unfortunately. We're just not in the business of taking parents away from their children or sending kids back to 'opressive' nations....well, unless you're that Gonzales kid from Cuba. So might as well start with stoping more from coming in first and then deal with what's already here.

[Skynut]

Exactly Phantom.......It should be a slap in the face to every legal immigrant here in the US if our country caves into people who have no regard for the rules in which this game is played. And no, a rule change that gives them free reign with no responsibility to this country is not right.

If they want to work in this country doing the jobs that the legal americans don't want to, then tax them slightly less, but to have no way for them to be taxed is assinine. You work here, you pay here.

All good points

They need to pay taxes. They need to go through the channels needed to be here legally.
If they are not here legally they should not be allowed access to any of our social programs.

And it WOULD be a slap for all those who are patiently waiting to do it legally.

[Danny Tse]

If they want to work in this country doing the jobs that the legal americans don't want to, then tax them slightly less, but to have no way for them to be taxed is assinine. You work here, you pay here.

Actually, illegal immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the IRS each year. And have no way of getting a tax refund or enjoy many of the benefits US citizens get from their tax dollars. This is according to the IRS themselves.

I am not on the side of the illegal immigrants though. My family came to this country legally and each of us has to work our ways up. My mom also tried sponsoring her 2 sisters to come to the US....thousands of dollars in legal fees and over a decade of waiting. Yes, it would be a slap to all those legal immigrants who played by the rules if the government "magically" legalize those who are here illegally.

[Sami]

I came here legally with a work visa (and that isn't an easy task), then got permanent residency a few years ago (about 3-4 year process). Still have 3 years to naturalization which I think I will do since Finland now allows dual citizenship. My girlfriend, who is Mexican, just got her citizenship last month and she's been here for almost ten years (legally all the time of course). If we ever have kids, they'll have three citizenships. :)

Getting in legally isn't that hard but you need to have a specialized skillset in order to do so (which I guess makes it hard).

[Skynut]

Another HUGE issue is our language.

If anyone really WANTS to be here they should make an attempt to learn our language.

I live in a rural area that is mostly Mexican and I am amazed how many can not speak english.

My town has a few vendors that drive through selling bread, tomalles, ice cream, and a variety of other foods from their culture. I buy some every now and then but to do so I have to point at an item and I really don't know what I am getting.

Menudo stuffed pastry anyone?

[bobman1235]

Actually, illegal immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the IRS each year. And have no way of getting a tax refund or enjoy many of the benefits US citizens get from their tax dollars. This is according to the IRS themselves.

:confused: I'd love to see the report showing how that could possibly be true. While I don't doubt that there are tax revenues from illegals in some cases, they certainly COST more than they PRODUCE as far as taxes go. And either way, just because there are BENEFITS to soemthing doesn't mean it's okay to break the law. I love how many people say that "without illegal workers prices would skyrocket" and other such things. That is probably true, but that doesn't mean you just TURN your cheek.

This whole thing is just amazing to me. You have non-citezens using Constitutional rights of assembly to protest American policy. They have no Constitutional rights, why don't we just mow them all down? It's warm, I'm pretty sure the snowplows aren't in use.

I'd love to see Americans mimic this "boycott" by not going on vacation to Mexico anymore. They think their economy can't get any worse? HA!

[madmax]

I have many friends working hard to stay here legally. In the end they are the ones who will appreciate citizenship and lead an honest life. Those climbing through a fence and hiding are not doing it correctly or legally and should be shown the way home right away. In my opinion they are welcome once they follow the proper steps.
madmax

[Schris22]

I guess it seems a lot of people here have a problem against these illegal immigrants. I guess living in Texas especially San Antonio and Houston and being surrounded by them all day has changed my perspetive.

These guys are moving in to the USA for a reason. Yes they work for a lot less and lots are sitting out just a block from a local fry's, just waiting to get work. I see plenty of people pick them up and just let them do jobs such as carpentry or lawns or what not.

Just as Sami said, the process requires a specialized skillset. I also agree with the statement about the unemployed rate. I think there are plenty of people that are too lazy to work, but on the other hand the rate is calculated by those who don't work at ALL, and are able to work as well as ARE LOOKING for work. These guys might be looking for work but not "actively" look for work. But this figure also excludes the growing work at home people and there are so many inaccuracies with the rate that inflate and deflate it.


So many of us are so privliged to be here just because we were born here and since these guys were born across the border they have so much more of a harder life. A lot of people I know came here and worked hard to become citizens (my family included), so I know it's a hard process.


I guess in the end: I have no problem with illegal immigrants. I just wish they would have more programs to assist these guys to becoming legal citizens despite coming in illegally.

Chris

Chris

[Sami]

Another HUGE issue is our language.
There is no official language in USA. Besides, Americans don't speak English just like Mexicans don't speak Spanish. ;)

[Skynut]

Taxes are paid when purchases are made.
Illegals can not get tax paying jobs legally. the only taxes they are paying are sales tax.

When I have hired green card holders they have filled out their federal paperwork as having 9+ children so the govt. will take out the min. taxes.

[shack]

My favorite Mexican restaurant (so much so that I frequent it at least once a week and have for quite some time) was closed today. I made it a point to visit another Mexican restaurant down the street to have lunch today and to thank the owner for being open. I will visit the closed restaurant ONE more time to let the owner that I too can boycott/protest and his restaurant is the target of MY protest.

[Skynut]

There is no official language in USA. Besides, Americans don't speak English just like Mexicans don't speak Spanish. ;)


Pardon my ignorance but what language are we using on this forum?

[BIZILL]

There is no official language in USA
official or unofficial, it's called english.


Americans don't speak English

they should
Mexicans don't speak Spanish. ;)
only the ones raised here in the us. god bless that fact.

[Skynut]

My favorite Mexican restaurant (so much so that I frequent it at least once a week and have for quite some time) was closed today. I made it a point to visit another Mexican restaurant down the street to have lunch today and to thank the owner for being open. I will visit the closed restaurant ONE more time to let the owner that I too can boycott/protest and his restaurant is the target of MY protest.

Good for you.

My wife and I are planning our vacation for this summer. We were going to go to Disneyland and a few places down south. We were also going to take the kids to Mexico because they have never beenout of the country.
Now we are seriously thinking about going to Washington state and possibly up to Canada.

[bobman1235]

There is no official language in USA.

A glaring omission that should be fixed. Besides, you have to pass an English proficiency test to become a citizen - sounds like an official language to me.

As for SChris's points, I agree it needs to be easier to become a citizen legally, as a lot of people do. But you talk about how hard they work, and how they do it for a "reason" - if they work so hard, they should work harder at getting the appropriate paperwork. I don't fault them for trying to do the most for their families - if my family needed food, I'd work legally or illegally to get them taht food too. But if you're doing it illegally you have to expect repurcussions. And personally, I don't like paying for those people to work here. I'm real sorry they have a shitty life in a third-world country, but that doesn't mean this country should have to pay for it.

[brettw22]

There is nothing wrong with them wanting to hop in someone's car and go work. The problem is when they're somehow collecting welfare or other governmental handouts when they have no legal status to do so. Granted, our own government ought to be strangled for allowing it to happen, but it's wrong for my UNITED STATES taxes to be used for NON-AMERICAN citizens.

[Schris22]

So will we filter out those that work hard and are trying to become legal citizens and don't know how or should we just send them all back because some are stealing our welfare, smuggling drugs, and the such.

I understand it's a tough world but so many employees around me in my day to day life in San Antonio are illegal immigrants who don't speak english. They are working hard, I don't see any lazy illegal immigrants, maybe because they are couped up somewhere, but I don't know.

Chris

[Demiurge]

So will we filter out those that work hard and are trying to become legal citizens and don't know how or should we just send them all back because some are stealing our welfare, smuggling drugs, and the such.

I understand it's a tough world but so many employees around me in my day to day life in San Antonio are illegal immigrants who don't speak english. They are working hard, I don't see any lazy illegal immigrants, maybe because they are couped up somewhere, but I don't know.

Chris

How do you know whether someone is legal or illegal by just looking at them? Nobody cares if they're working or if they're lazy. It's the strain it puts on the economy that's a lot greater than a $1.00/head of lettuce. Health Care, Education, and all of the tax losses. Illegal immigrants, working or not, cost more than they give back. I'm not at all adverse to a guest worker program, but square one needs to be the border.

When you're dealing with terrorism how on earth can you say you don't care if someone is illegal or not? You can walk across the border with a sixer of XX and a cart full of children sight unseen. There's something very wrong with that.

[Sami]

Pardon my ignorance but what language are we using on this forum?
A subdialect of English. We were talking about the language of USofA, not of this forum.

[Sami]

they should
[/QUOTE]only the ones raised here in the us. god bless that fact.[/QUOTE]
Mexican version of Spanish is like the American version of English, so Mexicans do not speak Spanish, and Americans don't speak English. You want to talk English, go to England and learn how it is spoken. :D

[Schris22]

When you live around them and you can tell. Just talk to them. It's fairly obvious. I speak spanish and talk to them and they aren't afraid to say if they are illegal immigrants or not. It's not like they can prove that they are legal so there is no point. The guys around me for the most part are just hard working.

Plenty of terrorist and other such bad things are americans. 9/11 brought about the whole middle east fiasco, but I can think of columbine, anthrax, and the oklahoma city bombing were all done by American citizens...who if I recall correctly are white. When illegal drugs are coming into the country Americans are the ones buying them, maybe they need to stop. Also I'm ok with helping those that are less fortunate at the cost of a small percentage of illegal goods coming into the country.

There is no way to stop them from coming into the country, so I don't see why we are wasting our money trying. That is the problem.

Chris

[Skynut]

A subdialect of English. We were talking about the language of USofA, not of this forum.

So the USofA speaks a different language than the subdialect of English that we use on this forum?

Or are you trying to say that anyone not using the Queens English is using a subdialect of English?

I took years of English all through school. (not that I use the language very goodly) I was under the impression that it was English just like the title of the classes.

[Sami]

When I have hired green card holders they have filled out their federal paperwork as having 9+ children so the govt. will take out the min. taxes.
Green Card holders are legal immigrants, why would they do that?

[Sami]

So the USofA speaks a different language than the subdialect of English that we use on this forum?
USofA speaks many languages. There is no official language but many choose to speak some version of English.

[Shizelbs]

They need to finish putting in my yard before they can think about walking out of work.

[bobman1235]

A subdialect of English. We were talking about the language of USofA, not of this forum.

:rolleyes: Split hairs much?

[Sami]

:rolleyes: Split hairs much?
Take things too seriously often?

[Skynut]

Green Card holders are legal immigrants, why would they do that?


The more dependants you have the less the govt. takes out of your check.
they are supposed to file Taxes so they can square up with the govt. apr. 15th they don't. If they did they would owe.

[Skynut]

They need to finish putting in my yard before they can think about walking out of work.


WWWaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:)

[cfrizz]

LOL!:D If you ask someone from England what we Yanks speak, they say we speak American! WAAAAA!!:D


So the USofA speaks a different language than the subdialect of English that we use on this forum?

Or are you trying to say that anyone not using the Queens English is using a subdialect of English?

I took years of English all through school. (not that I use the language very goodly) I was under the impression that it was English just like the title of the classes.

[Sami]

The more dependants you have the less the govt. takes out of your check.
they are supposed to file Taxes so they can square up with the govt. apr. 15th they don't. If they did they would owe.
Yes, but anyone can do that. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen, green card holder, non-immigrant visa holders. The one having the biggest motive to do that is someone illegal using a fake SSN.

[Skynut]

Yes, but anyone can do that. It doesn't matter if you're a citizen, green card holder, non-immigrant visa holders. The one having the biggest motive to do that is someone illegal using a fake SSN.


Agreed.

[Demiurge]

Mexican version of Spanish is like the American version of English, so Mexicans do not speak Spanish, and Americans don't speak English. You want to talk English, go to England and learn how it is spoken. :D

Do you even know what you're talking about? English is a West Germanic language by origin, so techincally the English that the English are speaking is incorrect as well.

We're all speaking different dialects of any given language. Hardly anyone is using the true dialect of any language's origin.

So please stop propogating this silly argument, English should be a requirement, and I hope it's made one. We need to stop giving special treatment to every group of people who don't want to adapt to our culture but succeed from it. If you want to speak different languages at home more power to you, but demanding government sanctioned programs for people who refuse to learn the predominant language of our country is absurd.

[Sami]

English should be a requirement, and I hope it's made one.
It practically is, you can't become a citizen without passing a language test as someone already pointed out. Granted, it is not a very hard test to pass so it doesn't mean the person is a fluent speaker. As for the American English / Mexican Spanish comment, there was a smilie in my original comment so take it with tongue in cheek. :)

[BIZILL]

if i were to ever move to, oh, say, mexico, you'd better bet i'd learn to speak spanish.

[Demiurge]

It practically is, you can't become a citizen without passing a language test as someone already pointed out. Granted, it is not a very hard test to pass so it doesn't mean the person is a fluent speaker. As for the American English / Mexican Spanish comment, there was a smilie in my original comment so take it with tongue in cheek. :)

It's hard to do since you've made the argument like 4 or 5 times in one thread. ;)

[Sami]

It's hard to do since you've made the argument like 4 or 5 times in one thread. ;)
Just clarification as some didn't seem to understand... ;)

[PolkThug]

Actually, illegal immigrants contribute billions of dollars in taxes to the IRS each year. And have no way of getting a tax refund or enjoy many of the benefits US citizens get from their tax dollars. This is according to the IRS themselves.

:confused: I'd love to see the report showing how that could possibly be true.

It is very true. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn't match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why -- a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else's SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a "no-match" situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don't end up on anyone's annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.

[BIZILL]

It is very true. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn't match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why -- a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else's SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a "no-match" situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don't end up on anyone's annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.
take said monies and apply them toward ins and border patrol.

[shack]

Just clarification as some didn't seem to understand... ;)
Maybe if you wrote it in spanish, more would understand........

[unc2701]

I volunteered for years in a church outreach for migrant workers and I can say two things: 1)Illegal immigration is a big problem in this country, and we seriously need to do something about it and 2)Any argument about illegals "not contributing" or leaching of the system is utter bullshit.

Most illegals pay taxes. The most significant taxes for any low income household is SALES TAXES! Doesn't matter if you're legal, illegal or a US citizen. You don't pay shit in federal income taxes if you're at minimum wage. So they contribute as least as much as my broke ass burger king workin' wasta life cousin. Furthermore, they typically have some wages withheld for Federal or SS. They will never see this money ever again, nor will they get welfare, etc. My waste of life cousin gets a refund and his bastard kid gets all kinds of govt support. I'll try to find the IRS report, but from a tax standpoint, illegal imigrants are far more useful than your typical poverty-level citizen.

So, the illegals are putting money into our country to pay for my poor white trash cousin to keep on having more kids on welfare. The true issue is the problem that they are willing to work at a much lower wage than any american. At which point it becomes a question of supply & demand; amercian businesses get hooked on the cheap wages and get into a loop where they can only afford to hire illegals. On the one hand, it's a shit job that no american would take, but the reason why it's such a shit job is that the illegals were willing take it a let it be so crappy. If all the illegals disappeared overnight, would americans show up in the morning to take the jobs?

Anyhow, deporting a couple million people isn't going to work, so let's stop posturing like its gonna happen.

[Sami]

if i were to ever move to, oh, say, mexico, you'd better bet i'd learn to speak spanish.
Yes you might but in the beginning you'd be trying to deal with locals in English if your Spanish wouldn't be good enough. And are they thinking when you struggle that at least he should try to make the effort to learn their language... :D

Illegals, the younger are learning the language but the older are struggling and that is natural. Some are trying, some are not as they do manage with Spanish. Can't really blame them. How many of you are fluent in more than one language? How many of those learned it at older age?

[BIZILL]

we won't deport the millions, but we can thwart the continual onslaught of new ones.

[BIZILL]

Yes you might but in the beginning you'd be trying to deal with locals in English if your Spanish wouldn't be good enough. And are they thinking when you struggle that at least he should try to make the effort to learn their language... :D

Illegals, the younger are learning the language but the older are struggling and that is natural. Some are trying, some are not as they do manage with Spanish. Can't really blame them. How many of you are fluent in more than one language? How many of those learned it at older age?
i already have some high school years of spanish so that i may be able to 'fit in' around my near-border city. go to any local park around here, they're all taken over. sorry. just stating the facts as i experience them.

[Skynut]

The true issue is the problem that they are willing to work at a much lower wage than any american. At which point it becomes a question of supply & demand; amercian businesses get hooked on the cheap wages and get into a loop where they can only afford to hire illegals. On the one hand, it's a shit job that no american would take, but the reason why it's such a shit job is that the illegals were willing take it a let it be so crappy. If all the illegals disappeared overnight, would americans show up in the morning to take the jobs?

Anyhow, deporting a couple million people isn't going to work, so let's stop posturing like its gonna happen.

We have laws for this. Minimum Wage.
Min wage is a law. They are foregoing the law and so are the people paying them so two laws are being broken even if they are here legally.

And I believe that the wages for these jobs that Americans don't want would go up and Americans would fill the vacancy. It would not come quick and it would cost everybody who buys those products but the peaches and tomatoes are still going to be available to everyone.

[PhantomOG]

It is very true. Every year, nearly 9 million people pay their taxes using the wrong Social Security number. The name used on W-2 tax forms used by employers doesn't match the name on file with the Social Security Administration. There can be many reasons why -- a data entry typo by a human resources department, a woman changes her name after marriage and forgets to report it, or a man uses someone else's SSN to get a job.

Social Security calls this a "no-match" situation. When this happens, the Social Security Administration collects the money, but the wage credits go into limbo. They don't end up on anyone's annual Social Security statement, they end up in something called the Earnings Suspense File. Since 1984, when the Social Security card employment verification requirement kicked in, nearly $500 billion in wages has ended up in that file.

so they broke the law by entering the country illegally, they broke the law again by falsifying employment records ---> and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

have you ever been in a car accident with an illegal immigrant? you better have uninsured motorists coverage. do you think that your auto insurance and health insurance premiums aren't any higher due to illegal immigrants?

All these so-called horrible injustices against illegal immigrants happen to them BY CHOICE. No one told them to cross the border illegally. No one told them to use a false SSN. Yes, they are just trying to better themselves, but they definitely are better off than they were before or they wouldn't have come here in the first place. As someone who is close to many people who have immigrated here legally I can't and won't feel sorry for those who choose to do so illegally.

[PolkThug]

so they broke the law by entering the country illegally, they broke the law again by falsifying employment records ---> and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

have you ever been in a car accident with an illegal immigrant? you better have uninsured motorists coverage. do you think that your auto insurance and health insurance premiums aren't any higher due to illegal immigrants?


You're barking up the wrong tree, don't get mad at me, get mad at the IRS. They KNOW when 20 people are using your SSN, and they have a few billion reasons not to tell you.

[Danny Tse]

And I believe that the wages for these jobs that Americans don't want would go up and Americans would fill the vacancy. It would not come quick and it would cost everybody who buys those products but the peaches and tomatoes are still going to be available to everyone.

That's the big question....will you pay 2X or more for tomatos? Will the general American population go for that for most of the produce at the local supermarket?

And since we are talking about the illegal immigrants, how come we never mention the employers that employ them? They are breaking the law as well. Or perhaps the likes of Walmart and those giant agri-businesses have too much lobbying power....

[brettw22]

have you ever been in a car accident with an illegal immigrant? you better have uninsured motorists coverage. do you think that your auto insurance and health insurance premiums aren't any higher due to illegal immigrants?Having lived in AZ for 7 years, I can guarantee you that insurance rates are higher because of Illegals......

I'm hoping that everyone's done pissing about what version of English is being spoken. I don't care if you have a hillbilly accent on your English, but don't start spouting off in Vietnamese, Chinese, French, Spanish, or Hindu then look at me like I'm the moron.

I wish I had the email (which I'm sure most of you have seen), that asks what would happen if every situation that hispanics have expected this country to provide to their illegal asses were demanded of them by us in Mexico. We'd probably be shot on the spot

[Sami]

and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:
I think the whole issue was people telling these workers do not contribute, which is false. Of course most of them fill out the W-4 with maximum dependants so they don't pay federal tax, or get paid under the table. No insurance, well, without a SSN you can't get a drivers license and without license no insurance. That's the issue in hand IIRC, people who are here illegally would like to do these things many of you are complaining about; being able to obtain insurance, being able to pay taxes (as unbelievable as it might sound).

[Danny Tse]

so they broke the law by entering the country illegally, they broke the law again by falsifying employment records ---> and I'm supposed to feel sorry because they can't get an income tax refund??? and I'm supposed to feel bad because they pay sales tax??? cry me a f-ing river. :mad:

What PolkThug posted are, from all indications, facts. We are not saying what the illegal immigrants done was right. Just that they DO contribute taxes to the system. What the IRS or Social Security do with the money is the subject of another thread.

[criverajr]

It's win win, the big & small companies get low cost labor and make more money which goes back into the economy and so on and so on. I have on occasion used illegal immigrants to do some hard, dirty labor that I could get from a legal non immigrant here but for twice the price and take twice as long, no harm no foul I say.

CRj

[PhantomOG]

people who are here illegally would like to do these things many of you are complaining about; being able to obtain insurance, being able to pay taxes (as unbelievable as it might sound).

and they would had they followed the laws on how to get here legally. everyone seems to forget that. its not like they magically appeared here illegally and are being opressed.

[BIZILL]

deport 'em all and have them lazy ass homeless bums take their job positions. period.

[BIZILL]

two birds......one stone

[PolkThug]

How about earning citizenship for a 2 year contract in one of the Armed Services?

[BIZILL]

you'd put your trust in their loyalty?

just got pissed a bit ago when my boss told me about his weekend at walmart. he was accidentally blocking a mex family with his cart and the dude got uppety about it. then he decided to call my boss a 'stupid white boy'. damn them. that's like me moving to mexico and uttering the slur, 'damn mexicans'.:mad:

[Danny Tse]

deport 'em all and have them lazy ass homeless bums take their job positions. period.

Easy to say but hard to do. I work across the street from San Francisco City Hall and each day I have to walk pass a great number of homeless people just to get to work. Meanwhile, the local Burger King and McDonalds are hiring....would these homeless people like to apply? Nooooo, they rather ask you for a "donation" or harass you at the ATM.

[PolkThug]

you'd put your trust in their loyalty?


Yes.

[BIZILL]

Easy to say but hard to do. I work across the street from San Francisco City Hall and each day I have to walk pass a great number of homeless people just to get to work. Meanwhile, the local Burger King and McDonalds are hiring....would these homeless people like to apply? Nooooo, they rather ask you for a "donation" or harass you at the ATM.
yeah, i was just messin'. it just popped into my head and i typed hastily.

[BIZILL]

Yes.
:o :(

[masanz1]

Have to give some of them credit for what they are willing to go through to get into the country to try and earn a living.


I'm sorry but my ancestors went through a hell of a lot more to become part of this country. They did not have interpreters for DMV, classrooms, etc, special aid, the list goes on. Don't give me this junk about working the crappy jobs, any immigrant will work any job if it meant being in America.

[Danny Tse]

yeah, i was just messin'. it just popped into my head and i typed hastily.

That's OK :D

What gets me angry about the homeless people here in San Francisco is that, I believe, the city has a "minimum living wage" of something like $8.00/hour or $9.00/hour, which is significantly higher than the state minimum wage.

[BIZILL]

but most homeless are entitled to those rights, if they so choose. (if they are legals)

[brettw22]

I'm all for nixing welfare so those who are so inclined to be willingly jobless are made to work. The line is simple........not legal = no rights.

[Danny Tse]

but most homeless are entitled to those rights, if they so choose. (if they are legals)

I can't prove this, but from my personal observations, most homeless people here aren't illegal immigrants.

But we're getting off the subject....back to the original programming already in progress. :D

Edit: I think the title of this thread should be changed to "Day without illegal immigrants?" We, or our families, are all immigrants to this country at one time or another. The issue is how this country should deal with those who are here illegally.

[Sami]

any immigrant will work any job if it meant being in America.
Immigrants from 3rd world countries, most likely yes, but any immigrant...absolutely not. You are forgetting there are immigrants from all over the world, just like there are Americans emigrating all over the world. Not all of them are from poor surroundings, I came from a country where poverty does not even exist (it doesn't mean it's perfect so don't read it that way).

[PolkThug]

I'm all for nixing welfare so those who are so inclined to be willingly jobless are made to work.

Ding ding ding! Here we have the root of the problem.

1. "I'm an American and yes I'm poor, but, I can get by without working at all, this country is great!"
2. 5% of low level jobs don't get filled by Americans.
3. Mexicans fill the void.

*Of course I'm keeping it simple, but I'm sure everyone gets the point.

One of my very close relatives worked for a long time at a service that got people jobs, and bent over backwards to provide free transportation to the jobs, etc. Well, "you can lead a horse to water...."

[BIZILL]

my mom is from vietnam. came here through legal channels. she's made money and sponsored some of her family to come here as well. all legit. those that have come have helped others as well. it can be done.

and on the subject of the english language, i always am asked why i never learned to speak vietnamese or why i was never forced to learn from my mom. well, if i were to go to vietnam, perhaps it would behove me to learn. but i will most decidedly never go there. in my current venue it is more 'beneficial' to learn spanish. but the fact is, i just never cared to learn as english is all i'll ever need or require living in the states.

[audiobliss]

Day without immigrants
Sounds wonderful to my ears! Assuming, of course, you're referring to those illegal immigrants.

[BIZILL]

english is all i'll ever need or require living in the states.
.......for now.....

bottom line, english should be a pre-requisite to citizenship. you work at our mcdonalds, please take my order in english. if i work a taco stand in mexico, you think they want me taking their order in english???:eek:

yo, paco, what 'chu want on your taco? ? sorry, i did you say 'que' or 'okay'? that'll be 20,000 pesos yo.

[brettw22]

.......for now.....Post whore.......quoting yourself and all...........wtf. ;)

[BIZILL]

been gone awhile. need to up my count.

[Demiurge]

need to up my count.

Sounds like a personal problem.

[1996blackmax]

you'd put your trust in their loyalty?

just got pissed a bit ago when my boss told me about his weekend at walmart. he was accidentally blocking a mex family with his cart and the dude got uppety about it. then he decided to call my boss a 'stupid white boy'. damn them. that's like me moving to mexico and uttering the slur, 'damn mexicans'.:mad:


This is one idiotic member from a very large group of people. Has more to do with that individual.

I have been called f***ing mexican, and other racial slurs by people. I have never judged the whole group as being ignorant and intolerrant as the idiot that said those things. Just someting to keep in mind...


There was one time when a lady was upset with me because I asked her mom to please be careful with my car's door. She had her door opened and was leaning on her door, which was hitting my door. She was upset that I said anything to her mom. The whole time I was calm and respectful. She called me every name in the book (racial ones), and told me and my family to back home to Mexico. It was only me and my kids, we were picking up some pizza. Funny thing is that my wife has both a Polish family background and Native American one. Meaning my kids are also part Native American. How much more American can you get. Anyway, I saw her for what she was. I was not upset at white people, just her.

[BIZILL]

RACIAL SLURS...not fun for anyone.

[Skynut]

I wish I had the email (which I'm sure most of you have seen), that asks what would happen if every situation that hispanics have expected this country to provide to their illegal asses were demanded of them by us in Mexico. We'd probably be shot on the spot

This one is a little different.
I do not know how true it is.

Illegal Immigrants

FACTS AS REPORTED BY LOS ANGELES TIMES

1. 40% of all workers in L.A. County (L.A. County has 10 million people) are working for cash and not paying taxes. This was because they are predominantly illegal immigrants, working without a green card.

2. 95% of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are for illegal immigrants.

3. 75% of people on the most wanted list in Los Angeles are illegal immigrants.

4. Over 2/3's of all births in Los Angeles County are to illegal immigrant Mexicans on Medi-Cal whose births were paid for by taxpayers.

5. Nearly 25% of all inmates in California detention centers are Mexican nationals here illegally.

6. Over 300,000 illegal immigrants in Los Angeles County are living in garages.

7. The FBI reports half of all gang members in Los Angeles are most likely illegal immigrants from south of the border.

8. Nearly 60% of all occupants of HUD properties are illegal.

9. 21 radio stations in L.A. are Spanish speaking.

10. In L.A.County 5.1 million people speak English. 3.9 million speak Spanish (10.2 million people in L.A.County).


Less than 2% of illegal immigrants are picking our crops but 29% are on welfare.

http://www.cis.org


Over 70% of the United States annual population growth (and over 90% of California, Florida, and New York) results from immigration.


The cost of immigration to the American taxpayer in 1997 was a NET $70 BILLION a year (after subtracting taxes immigrants pay). [Professor Donald Huddle, Rice University].


The lifetime fiscal impact (taxes paid minus services used) for the average adult Mexican immigrant is a NEGATIVE.


29% of inmates in federal prisons are illegal immigrants.


AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO OPEN OUR HEARTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE TO THIS KIND OF STUFF?


BALONEY!!!!

[BIZILL]

Sounds like a personal problem.
two sons, mind you. but yes, one of many probs.:)

[Zero]

hehe... mexicans... theres a lot of housework to be done here in the near-future.. time to stop by a home depote...
:D :p

[Skynut]

I wish I had the email (which I'm sure most of you have seen), that asks what would happen if every situation that hispanics have expected this country to provide to their illegal asses were demanded of them by us in Mexico. We'd probably be shot on the spot


maybe this one.

MR. PRESIDENT, I'M HEADED TO MEXICO

Dear President Bush:

I'm about to plan a little trip with my family and extended family, and I would like to ask you to assist me. I'm going to walk across the border from the U.S. into Mexico, and I need to make a few arrangements. I know you can help with this.

I plan to skip all the legal stuff like visas, passports, immigration quotas and laws. I'm sure they handle those things the same way you do here.

So, would you mind telling your buddy, President Vicente Fox, that I'm on my way over? Please let him know that I will be expecting the following:

1. Free medical care for my entire family.
2. English-speaking government bureaucrats for all services I might need, whether I use them or not.
3. All government forms need to be printed in English.
4. I want my kids to be taught by English-speaking teachers.
5. Schools need to include classes on American culture and history.
6. I want my kids to see the American flag flying on the top of the flag pole at their school with the Mexican flag flying lower down.
7. Please plan to feed my kids at school for both breakfast and lunch.
8. I will need a local Mexican driver's license so I can get easy access to government services.
9. I do not plan to have any car insurance, and I won't make any effort to learn local traffic laws.
10. In case one of the Mexican police officers does not get the memo from Pres. Fox to leave me alone, please be sure that all police officers speak English.

11. I plan to fly the U.S. flag from my house top, put flag decals on my car, and have a gigantic celebration on July 4th. I do not want any complaints or negative comments from the locals.
12. I would also like to have a nice job without paying any taxes, and don't enforce any labor laws or tax laws.
13. Please tell all the people in the country to be extremely nice and never say a critical word about me, or about the strain I might place on the economy.

I know this is an easy request because you already do all these things for all the people who come to the U.S. from Mexico. I am sure that Pres. Fox won't mind returning the favor if you ask him nicely.

However, if he gives you any trouble, just invite him to go quail hunting with your V.P.

Thank you so much for your kind help.

Sincerely,

David M. Bresnahan

[dorokusai]

There was no loss of productivity at my work location, although; I'm sure some impact was felt....somewhere.

[BIZILL]

very good find there sky!

[1996blackmax]

hehe... mexicans... theres a lot of housework to be done here in the near-future.. time to stop by a home depote...
:D :p


Very smart thing to say :rolleyes: .....

[PolkThug]

There was no loss of productivity at my work location, although; I'm sure some impact was felt....somewhere.

My Chipotle was business as usual. :)

[Skynut]

very good find there sky!


I just got those the other day.

And lookey here This thread got me to Polkologist status.:cool:

[bobman1235]

There was no loss of productivity at my work location, although; I'm sure some impact was felt....somewhere.

Apparently there were a few Dunkin' Donuts closed in the area today (and if you've ever been to New england, there are about a dozen Dunkin Donuts per square mile), but other than that I haven't heard many horror stories.

[PolkThug]

Lots of places shutdown today:

"Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest meat producer, shut five of nine beef plants and four of six pork plants in anticipation of widespread absences. Perdue Farms Inc., the nation's third-largest chicken producer, closed eight processing plants in seven states. Cargill Meat Solutions, the nation's second-largest beef processor, gave more than 15,000 workers the day off and closed plants in six states."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12581798/

[PhantomOG]

Lots of places shutdown today:

"Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest meat producer, shut five of nine beef plants and four of six pork plants in anticipation of widespread absences. Perdue Farms Inc., the nation's third-largest chicken producer, closed eight processing plants in seven states. Cargill Meat Solutions, the nation's second-largest beef processor, gave more than 15,000 workers the day off and closed plants in six states."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12581798/

sounds like INS has a new list of companies to hit for illegal hiring practices.

[Skynut]

So lets just say that they get their way.
We grant amnesty to millions of people who broke the law to get here.
Won't more people risk their lives to get here in time to be included?

What about the next thing they want to hold us hostage for?
Voting rights?
A chance at the Presidency?
Higher wages?

Where will it end if we make a deal here?

[Zero]

Blackmax,

Thanks! Although, I was going more for facetious than smart... but hey, I'll take what I can get.

[Danny Tse]

So lets just say that they get their way.
We grant amnesty to millions of people who broke the law to get here.
Won't more people risk their lives to get here in time to be included?

What about the next thing they want to hold us hostage for?
Voting rights?
A chance at the Presidency?
Higher wages?

Where will it end if we make a deal here?

Skynut,

You're right. I don't remember exactly when, but the Feds gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants about a decade or so ago. And here we are again....

[Danny Tse]

Lots of places shutdown today:

"Tyson Foods Inc., the world's largest meat producer, shut five of nine beef plants and four of six pork plants in anticipation of widespread absences. Perdue Farms Inc., the nation's third-largest chicken producer, closed eight processing plants in seven states. Cargill Meat Solutions, the nation's second-largest beef processor, gave more than 15,000 workers the day off and closed plants in six states."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12581798/

I guess Tyson Foods will be making a campaign contribution to someone so that INS will not be showing up at their factories. ;)

[1996blackmax]

Skynut,

You're right. I don't remember exactly when, but the Feds gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants about a decade or so ago. And here we are again....


Around 4 million people back around 1987.

[PolkThug]

The current proposal does NOT include amnesty.

[masanz1]

I just wonder how much of this will backfire on the people trying to prove a point. 8 kids did not show up at my sons school so he was able to get more one on one attention, less traffic, overall less crowds. It might open people's eyes to how much of a problem we really have here and may incline people to vote for more restrictions.

[Shizelbs]

Damnit, my back yard has not even been touched. They sure as hell showed me. I guess they'll be getting my money later than sooner. I certainly learned my lesson.

[scottnbnj]

Skynut,

You're right. I don't remember exactly when, but the Feds gave amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants about a decade or so ago. And here we are again....

beyond 87 there were also 96 and 2000. background checks were not done on hundreds of thousands so the uh,politicians could get them sworn in just in time to register to vote. conveniently, voter registration tables were set up at mass swearing events.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=21739

)

[1996blackmax]

Damnit, my back yard has not even been touched. They sure as hell showed me. I guess they'll be getting my money later than sooner. I certainly learned my lesson.


Then get up an mow it....

[amulford]

don't just sit there at your computer and bitch. DO SOMETHING. Let your government know how you feel. I have and will continue to do so.

If this was one of the countries these people came from, you can best believe the government of that sovereign nation would seize that opportunity to deal with it decisively, if not brutally. Wake up.

This is not an issue that will go away because you cry about it...

[dorokusai]

I think that those individuals, currently in school, should've stayed in school to show some kind of commitment to education.

It isn't perfect, but I think the education system should be more important than an overall agenda. That's what adults are supposed to address, not children.

[1996blackmax]

Totally agree with you....

[Shizelbs]

Then get up an mow it....

They haven't planted anything for me to mow yet. Thats the problem.

[1996blackmax]

No problem, just plant your own **** then....

[PhantomOG]

That's the big question....will you pay 2X or more for tomatos? Will the general American population go for that for most of the produce at the local supermarket?

And since we are talking about the illegal immigrants, how come we never mention the employers that employ them? They are breaking the law as well. Or perhaps the likes of Walmart and those giant agri-businesses have too much lobbying power....

We do mention the employers. I feel that a harsh and continued crackdown on places that hire illegals will do more for the illegal immigration problem then border security. If they can't find work here, they won't come here.

How come people who always talk about paying 2X for a tomato never mention the BILLIONS of dollars people will save in auto and health insurance premiums when we all have to stop paying for them? Since its all theoretically money we're talking here I'd be willing to bet the drain illegals put on society will outweigh the increase in costs of goods and services which usually hire illegals.

[PhantomOG]

The current proposal does NOT include amnesty.

But that's what they want and why they are protesting.

I bet 9/10 people "protesting" haven't got a clue what the current proposal says. Most of the proposals before the Senate right now discuss ways of helping illegal workers through guest worker programs or changes making it easier to get work visas. Why the hell are they protesting against that???

[dkg999]

The labor to harvest fragile crops like tomatos is a relatively small part of the expense to raise those crops and get them to market. Historically, a portion of the migrant workers to harvest those crops were workers coming from Mexico and they were in the US legally for the most part, and then after the harvest they went back home. I'm not sure you would see a drastic increase in produce prices if illegal immigrants were not in the US. My problem with this situation is that I have friends who are Russian and want to come to the US, bring skills such as computer programming, veterinary, nursing, etc, are highly educated, and they can't legally come to the US to live and work because they try to follow the law. The whole situation is just nuts!

[Danny Tse]

My problem with this situation is that I have friends who are Russian and want to come to the US, bring skills such as computer programming, veterinary, nursing, etc, are highly educated, and they can't legally come to the US to live and work because they try to follow the law. The whole situation is just nuts!

My opinion is that the immigration policy of this country is screwed-up. We always hear about how US corporations complain about not having technical people in this country or how outsourcing is "right", blah blah blah. Why don't we allow more people with the skills mentioned by dkg999 to come into this country? Of course, we still need to have quotas on how many can come in and we also need more intensive background checks on these people. At least they will pay taxes and stimulate our economy.

[F1nut]

I have no problem with illegal immigrants. I just wish they would have more programs to assist these guys to becoming legal citizens despite coming in illegally.


WTF??? What part of ILLEGAL don't you understand???

There is no way to stop them from coming into the country, so I don't see why we are wasting our money trying. That is the problem.



Big wall, bad ass flesh eating dogs, lots of US LE types with big ass guns. I'd bet the problem would stop in less than a week.

[shack]

No problem, just plant your own **** then....
I guess this is what happens when you hire irresponsible labor.....

[brettw22]

I dunno about stop Jesse, but it sure would be fun seeing the looks on all the others on the other side of the wall when they see what's happening to their compadre's in teh well of the double wall........

[bobman1235]

My opinion is that the immigration policy of this country is screwed-up. We always hear about how US corporations complain about not having technical people in this country or how outsourcing is "right", blah blah blah. Why don't we allow more people with the skills mentioned by dkg999 to come into this country? Of course, we still need to have quotas on how many can come in and we also need more intensive background checks on these people. At least they will pay taxes and stimulate our economy.

I don't even understand your point. People with those skills, or ANY skills, ARE allowed to come into the country. It's called IMMIGRATION. There's a process for it.

[Skynut]

If we wanted to keep them out we could. Ever hear of area 51? If we can keep our own people out of there we should be able to keep foreigners from walking in un reported.
How can we threaten death to our own people for going somewhere on our own soil that our tax money pays for but we can't keep people from invading our country?
If we really wanted to protect our boarders we could. Aparently we don't want to.
I'll bet terrorists from around the world have been cruising in steadily since shortly after 9/11 because we don't want to protect our people or offend illegals by keeping them out.

Polliticians are pathetic.

[Shizelbs]

Since when do foreigners get to have such power over our countries decisions. You don't like it, go bitch to your elected officials.

And on another note, my yard is still not put in. Boycott is over boys, get back to work.

[ClemmonsHoo]

All of us need to do ourselves a favor and keep talking about this. Talk to your friends, your family, your coworkers, and keep them mad about it, and if you really care, you better get as many people as you can to write to their Representatives because Congress is about to screw this up royaly as usual and then it will be too late.

Amnesty is flawed. The guest worker program is flawed. The other new plans on the table are also flawed, and the original proposition is flawed because as usual this WH is not giving it any funding.

I don't agree with everything Lou Dobbs has to say, but on this issue he is dead on the money. We have to start with the border. It's not really even that difficult. They just want us to think it is because they're not really interested in actually solving the problem. They = our govt., which is almost entirely controlled now by big business thru lobbying, fundraising, and extortion. How can we fix any small part of the illegal alien problem if we can't even secure our border???

How do you get your Representative to listen to you? The only thing they are after really is power. The way they get that power is thru your vote. Doesn't matter what party you vote for, just tell them that unless they get this right you're switching parties. The vote, your vote, is the only leverage you have, and they DO NOT want to lose it, especially to the other side. Playing both sides against the other is all we have unfortunately.

There's a lot more to say on this issue. I could write a dissertation, but I'll get off my soapbox now.

[Skynut]

Soapboxes are welcome on this subject.
I just wonder what they (the gvmt) are doing right now while they point us in the direction of immigration and bird flu.

I agree writing letters can help, if they listen.

[Toxis]

I voiced my opinion in my "A Day Without Citizens" thread. I also emailed it to everyone I know and posted it on two other forums I frequent.

[BIZILL]

a guy locally is going to burn the mexican flag at a southside park in tucson on cinco de mayo with the supervision and protection of the police. wow, may become violent. but i like his enthusiasm. he is not against legal mexicans, only those who are here illegally. more to the story, but mee likey thus far.

[Toxis]

that's awesome. I just hope he finds a way to make it non-racial and more anti-illegal immigrants.

[BIZILL]

i'm sure the police will help keep things civil and he'll stay focused on the intent.

[BIZILL]

then he's gonna call out all the companies who employ these folk.

[Sami]

I don't even understand your point. People with those skills, or ANY skills, ARE allowed to come into the country. It's called IMMIGRATION. There's a process for it.
Not any skills, has to be a specific skill that is in need atm. H-1B visas are not that easy to get, and the quota is low. I came here on L-1 visa myself which is similar but easier for a large company to get.

[Sami]

a guy locally is going to burn the mexican flag at a southside park in tucson on cinco de mayo with the supervision and protection of the police.
I'm sure there will be a lot of US flags burned as well if he is advertising it. :(

[BIZILL]

good. send those ungrateful bastards back. eff 'em if they burn our flag in mexico, but they better refrain from burning OUR flag inside OUR country.

[BIZILL]

i just said i like the dude's enthusiasm, but i wish he could do something other than burning anyone's flag. i don't dig the idea. but it commands attention. almost guaranteed he'll get network television time. that is admittedly what he's after. bring the situation to a head.

[Sami]

good. send those ungrateful bastards back. eff 'em if they burn our flag in mexico, but they better refrain from burning OUR flag inside OUR country.
What can you do? There is nothing against the law in burning the US flag.

[BIZILL]

i suppose nothing. but shows how ungrateful they are and that will command attention as well. now i hope they do.

[Sami]

i suppose nothing. but shows how ungrateful they are and that will command attention as well. now i hope they do.
Well, what would you expect if someone is burning your flag? That dude is trying to provoke people with his action so the natural reaction is to do the same to him. Just my guess of what's going to happen.

[BIZILL]

prolly. but good. so be it.

[Toxis]

you know what's funny?

[Toxis]

Bizill cannot even make a post

[Toxis]

without having to continue his thought

[Toxis]

on a completely different post.

[Toxis]

That my friends is what we call a post whore. :D

[Toxis]

You'd think there'd be an edit button to just go back and add in the rest of your statement there... Wait!!!

[BIZILL]

sorry all, i'm at work and can't spend too much time on one single post. i needn't get fired over this forum. ya'll know

[BIZILL]

what i'm

[BIZILL]

talkin' about.

[BIZILL]

i'm a hooker.

[unc2701]

I don't even understand your point. People with those skills, or ANY skills, ARE allowed to come into the country. It's called IMMIGRATION. There's a process for it.

I dunno- the red tape makes it a BITCH! I have a canadian friend, PhD, who basically got deported 'cause GSK cut the drug he was working on and laid off everyone on the project. INS told him he had a day to get to the border. Now, in our field of work, a guy like him could have about 4 interviews by the end of the week and get offers at all of him- there's a major shortage. Yet they sent his ass to the border. So he checked out, snuck back in illegally, lined up a bunch of interviews, snuck back out, got a visa and came back legally.

[Toxis]

oh I know... just wanted to poke at ya a bit. :D

Plus, at my work, the more pages viewed is a bad thing vs just one page you spend a few extra seconds on.

[brettw22]

This red tape exists for a reason........if we had open borders and accepted everyone, we'd be even more fucked than we already are.

[Sami]

So he checked out, snuck back in illegally
Illegally? Canadian? He should be able to enter legally, or did the part that he was seeking work make it illegal?

[Demiurge]

Picture of the Day:

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/r2048252209.jpg

Okay, fine. But I dare say we could somehow cook our own burritos if we really had to.

[Polk65]

I've been hecho'ing mine for awhile, thank you very mucho.

[Skynut]

It has been awhile since I had to twist my own burrito.

[shack]

I actually had a very nice buritto and enchilada on May 1st, made by Mexican immigrants who happen to be legit US Citizens.

[min888]

Fine by me, I hate buritos anyway, all they put in there are re-fry beans and rice. The tittle is not right, it should say "Day without Criminal (Illigal) Imigrants". We are all immigrants here, the only difference is we are legal. How dare they to come here, broke the law of the land and then stage a protest? I say round them up and ship them back. The politicians are spineless unless it comes to bribes and undertable dealing :eek: . Why should we grant them citizenship when they broke the law? What are we going to do if another 10 mil show up illigally next year? Are we going to let them do the same thing again? If they want to stay here, then do it legally, I have no problem with that. They are a drain on our resources and they don't pay taxes. You are really going to like them if one of them hit you with a car and turns out they don't have driver license or insurance.

[uncyogi]

Can't for the life of me understand why this is such a huge national debate when it seems so simple.
If you were to invite me to your home I would most likely be made to feel welcome, maybe even offered a free dinner. If I slipped and fell you might offer me a band-aid, also free! But if you came home one evening to find that I had broken into your home UN-invited, your reaction would understandably be a little different. Even as I was explaining that I didn't steal anything and that I trimmed the hedges, did the dishes and re-alphabetized your CD collection after breaking in, I expect your natural reaction would be to toss me out the nearest window...or worse. And no debating whether my tresspass was "illegal" or just "undocumented".

[Skynut]

Can't for the life of me understand why this is such a huge national debate when it seems so simple.
If you were to invite me to your home I would most likely be made to feel welcome, maybe even offered a free dinner. If I slipped and fell you might offer me a band-aid, also free! But if you came home one evening to find that I had broken into your home UN-invited, your reaction would understandably be a little different. Even as I was explaining that I didn't steal anything and that I trimmed the hedges, did the dishes and re-alphabetized your CD collection after breaking in, I expect your natural reaction would be to toss me out the nearest window...or worse. And no debating whether my tresspass was "illegal" or just "undocumented".


Nicely said.

[cfrizz]

ROFLOL!!!:D Beautifully said Uncyogi! Welcome to Club Polk!:)


Can't for the life of me understand why this is such a huge national debate when it seems so simple.
If you were to invite me to your home I would most likely be made to feel welcome, maybe even offered a free dinner. If I slipped and fell you might offer me a band-aid, also free! But if you came home one evening to find that I had broken into your home UN-invited, your reaction would understandably be a little different. Even as I was explaining that I didn't steal anything and that I trimmed the hedges, did the dishes and re-alphabetized your CD collection after breaking in, I expect your natural reaction would be to toss me out the nearest window...or worse. And no debating whether my tresspass was "illegal" or just "undocumented".

[Skynut]

Her eis the e-mail about how to destroy America.
I do not know if any of this speach even took place but here it is in it's entirety.


Extremely important in light of the current debate

We know Dick Lamm as the former Governor of Colorado. In that context his thoughts are particularly poignant. Last week there was an immigration overpopulation conference in Washington, DC, filled to capacity by many of American's finest minds and leaders. A brilliant college professor by the name of Victor Hansen Davis talked about his latest book, Mexifornia," explaining how immigration - both legal and illegal" was destroying the entire state of California. He said it would march across the country until it destroyed all vestiges of The American Dream.

Moments later, former Colorado Governor Richard D. Lamm stood up and gave a stunning speech on how to destroy America. The audience sat spellbound as he described eight methods for the destruction of the United States. He said, "If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America. It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time.


Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'"

Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America, turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bicultural country." History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: "The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy." Canada, Belgium, Malaysia, and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, and Corsicans.".

Lamm went on: Second, to destroy America, "Invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. I would make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal. That there are no cultural differences. I would make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.


Third, "We could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: "The apparent success of our own multiethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricity and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together."


Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities."

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, unassimilated, undereducated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high. school."


"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority population."

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precedent. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic games. A common enemy, Persia, threatened their liberty Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. "E. Pluribus Unum" -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus'. Instead of the 'Unum,' we will balkanize America as surely as Kosovo."

"Next to last, I would place all subjects off limits; make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bicultural country, having established multi-culturism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America, it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

In the last minute of his speech, Governor Lamm wiped his brow. Profound silence followed. Finally he said,. "Lastly, I would censor Victor Hanson Davis's book Mexifornia. His book is dangerous. It exposes the plan to destroy America. If you feel America. deserves to be destroyed, don't read that book.".

There was no applause. A chilling fear quietly rose like an ominous cloud above every attendee at the conference. Every American in that room knew that everything Lamm enumerated was proceeding methodically, quietly, darkly, yet pervasively across the United States today. Discussion is being suppressed. Over 100 languages are ripping the foundation of our educational system and national cohesiveness. Even barbaric cultures that practice female genital mutilation are growing as we celebrate 'diversity.' American jobs are vanishing into the Third World as corporations create a Third World in. America - take note of California and other states - to date, ten million illegal aliens and growing fast. It is reminiscent of George Orwell's book "1984." In that story, three slogans are engraved in the Ministry of Truth building: "War is peace," "Freedom is slavery," and "Ignorance is strength."

Governor Lamm walked back to his seat. It dawned on everyone at the conference that our nation and the future of this great democracy (REPUBLIC) is deeply in trouble and worsening fast. If we don't get this immigration monster stopped within three years, it will rage like a California wildfire and destroy everything in its path, especially The American Dream.

Thought provoking?

God be with you.

It does sound like a recipe for disaster.

[BIZILL]

had to adhere to my sig's quote...;)

[Skynut]

It is a bit long.

[bobman1235]

ADD much? You can't read a couple paragraphs?

That's why this country's goin to shit, no one can focus on one thing for more than 6 seconds before something shiny distracts them.

[Demiurge]

What were we talking abou....anyone ever play poker online?

[Joey_V]

Illegals?

Go home!!!

Stop wasting our time and money by protesting over something you have no right to participate in, considering you are illegal!

Stupid illegals.

[BIZILL]

ADD much? You can't read a couple paragraphs?

That's why this country's goin to shit, no one can focus on one thing for more than 6 seconds before something shiny distracts them.
sorry bob. just chalk me up as a contributing effort to the degradation of the american way.