Teacher Arrested for Sexy Video

[thehaens@cox.net]

Did this teacher really think that this 14 year old kid wasn't going to "share" this video w/ his friends? I have my own views on this whole thing, (which caused a heated debate last night with the wife.....I lost:o ) anyway thought I would share.....

http://www.break.com/index/pamrogers1.html

[F1nut]

All I want to know is how come we never had any of these "sex ed" teachers back in the day!?!

[thehaens@cox.net]

That is what I said!:D and this statment alone caused the wife to lose it. I basically said. "look, when I was 14, I would of been all over this, except I would of kept it to myself and kept on "learning" from it...

[Shizelbs]

I wish I had known that 14 years are irresistable to grown women. I would have worked that angle hard back then.

[polkatese]

All I want to know is how come we never had any of these "sex ed" teachers back in the day!?!

yeah!!, only old priests! what's up with that??

:)

[RuSsMaN]

Cool

[Zero]

I had it pretty lucky when I was a runt. I can guarantee you - the 'damage' that child is suffering from has NOTHING to do with the sex.

[Toxis]

damn, not bad! I wouldn't mind taking a lesson or two from her...

[hoosier21]

wait a min. you can be arrested for a "sexy video"?

[Maurice]

Nice ass!!!! A hour of detention wouldn't be nearly long enough.:D

[thehaens@cox.net]

wait a min. you can be arrested for a "sexy video"?

She was on probation for having sex w/ a minor. After she was released, she then started back up w/ the kid and sent this video to his phone...At least this is what I gather from it. This kid is going to have some bragging rights at his school for some time:rolleyes:

Probably not the best source for news but...

http://www.tabloidcolumn.com/pamela-rogers-turner.html

[MacLeod]

Gawd! I wouldve loved for that to happen to me when I was 14.

Still, I dont recall EVER having a hot teacher.

[Danny Tse]

Gawd! I wouldve loved for that to happen to me when I was 14.

Still, I dont recall EVER having a hot teacher.

I would've love to have that happen to me NOW....and I am almost 40 :(

I remember there was a hot TA when I was in high school....ahem, TA as in Teacher's Assistant :D

[BIZILL]

the results are in....that beotch is hot!

[Midnite Mick]

I just have one problem with this video..........it's too short!

Damn, I wish I could be young again.

Mike

[bobman1235]

I remember having a hot Spanish substitute once, that's about it though. And she certainly didn't send me any videos. Then again, e-mail didn't really exist back then. You certainly couldn't send movies. MAN, I hope she wasn't trying to get a hold of me and just didn't have the technological means!!

[janmike]

I could show this to the wife and tell her that this is what our son could face in the future at age 14. On second thought, maybe not!

[cfrizz]

If you could dig your brains out of your crotches you would admit that she is a pedophile & molesting children!

You all know that if it was a man doing it you all would be up in arms ready to kill him!

This is no different just cause she is a woman. She is no better than all of the damn priests who have been molesting children for years. They need to lock her up & throw away the key!

[F1nut]

They need to lock her up & throw away the key!

No problem, I've got room here at the house.

[Zero]

I hate to break it to you CFrizz - but there is a significant difference between molesting (unwanted sexual interaction) and sex (desired sexual interaction). Damn near every guy here would love to be with a woman that looks like that... whether at current age or when things were just 'sprouting'.... we understand that.

Its very simple, we see hot girl, hope she likes us, she likes us, wants to have sex! Woot!!!

Theres a big difference between your priest or a random man asking you to come spend some private time with him only to find all he is interested in is your privates...(odds are, you wont share the same interest/desires with him as he has with you).

[ledhed]

I agree zero, I really don't consider it rape because I guarantee you that the 14 year old didn't mind

[cfrizz]

There is NOT a difference between an adult man or an adult woman having sex with an under age child boy or girl!

By your logic Zero, it would also be perfectly acceptable if she was a man going after a 14 yr old girl!

Jesse if she were at your house entertaining you rather than some 14 yr old boy she wouldn't be in jail now.

She is a pedophile plain & simple & the fact that she is in jail proves it.

It doesn't matter what your hormones are telling you, SHE should know better & not be doing it.

[Holydoc]

Cfrizz is right about the current laws. What has happened here is called "Statutory Rape". In this case:

Statutory rape is where the government has passed laws (statutes) saying that in certain situations, even if both people consent to sex, it is still against the law.

It doesn't matter if:

in some locations, anyone presses charges. If someone over the age of consent has sex with someone under the age of consent, even if no one but the arresting officer presses charges, the older person can go to jail.


a girl or boy, who is under the age of consent, says "yes" or even initiates sex with a man or woman, who is over the age of consent; the law says it's statutory rape because that younger person has NO LEGAL RIGHT TO GIVE CONSENT.


the younger person lies about his or her age before having sex. It is the older person's responsibility to make sure that their actions are legal.

Though some may not like it, it is still considered Statutory Rape. The purpose of these statutes were to protect your children from sexual predators and deviates.

It makes you wonder why a woman that looks like this one would need the company of a 14 year old boy. She would have no problem walking into any bar, laundry mat, grocery, etc... and picking up someone of legal age to fulfill her needs. However her needs are not sexual as much as they are dominating your children.

I have to agree with Cfrizz that it is perverse and is the definition of a pedophile. I, for one, like the fact that there are statutes in place to try to protect our children from sexual predators. Without these type of things, this woman may move from 14 year old boys to 12 year olds, or even 6 year olds. It is a sickness, and one not readily cured. That is why we have laws in place to track the movements of these predators. Their sickness is never cured and can only be supressed.

Enough of the preaching....back to the video!

[Frank Z]

My son is 13 and I damn sure don't want him knockin' boots with some hoe-bag twenty-sumthin' year old skank. There's something wrong with that woman.

[Zero]

Cfrizz,

I challenged your ‘molestation’ remark. There is nothing more and nothing less then what I wrote. If you get this riled over the subject matter, then I would hate to see how you would feel when you eventually learn that many teens actually would, *gasp*, welcome such a thing! God forbid eh?


It doesn't matter what your hormones are telling you, SHE should know better & not be doing it.

For what its worth – I can agree with you on that – especially given the circumstances.

[cfrizz]

I know many teens especially boys would welcome such a thing since the majority in this thread have shown that no matter what your age you let what hangs between your legs do your thinking for you!

Thank God we have laws.

Thank you Frank & HolyDoc for being better men. At least I know you can be trusted around children!

[jhermance]

Thank god for laws but damn i wish she was my teacher!!!!!

[Holydoc]

Thank god for laws but damn i wish she was my teacher!!!!!

Too funny! :D

[ohskigod]

I'll roll with Cfrizz and say its wrong.........but.......when I was 14....I would have..... eh, nevermind :p

[aaharvel]

My son is 13 and I damn sure don't want him knockin' boots with some hoe-bag twenty-sumthin' year old skank. There's something wrong with that woman.

bbbut.... SHE'S HOT! :cool:

[Frank Z]

bbbut.... SHE'S HOT! :cool:So hot that she might induce a burning sensation.

Seriously guy's...Hot or not, there's something seriously wrong with an adult (male or female) that get their jollies from CHILDREN. We can all joke around about it, but I just find it perverce that she would even consider it. If it were your kid, would you feel the same way?

I know that alot of what's been posted here is nothing more than pipe dreams and fantasy... atleast I hope there's a better class of people here.

Fire retardant skivies are on.

[PolkThug]

I'd hit it.

[F1nut]

It never said that it was right and I do think she has a problem or two, but the reality is that there isn't a 14 year old red blooded straight guy out there that wouldn't hit it.

[mrbigbluelight]

...... since the majority in this thread have shown that no matter what your age you let what hangs between your legs do your thinking for you!

so far my little friend has never let me down. I trust his intuition and natural instincts.

Not only does he do my thinking, he also does my typing, hence this magnificent post.

He's a slow typist; he has to hunt and peck.

You may have heard of him: "Vlad the Impaler" ?

:rolleyes:

[Polk65]

I hate to break it to you CFrizz - but there is a significant difference between molesting (unwanted sexual interaction) and sex (desired sexual interaction). Damn near every guy here would love to be with a woman that looks like that... whether at current age or when things were just 'sprouting'.... we understand that.

Its very simple, we see hot girl, hope she likes us, she likes us, wants to have sex! Woot!!!

Theres a big difference between your priest or a random man asking you to come spend some private time with him only to find all he is interested in is your privates...(odds are, you wont share the same interest/desires with him as he has with you).

You have to realize that having sex with their teacher is the #1 or #2 fantasy on the majority of teenage boy's minds. Classmates that blossom early is the other. Being taken advantage of by a priest is not.

As for laws, the only ones I can remember thinking of at the age of 14 were, when can I drive, drink, and vote.

[thehaens@cox.net]

If you could dig your brains out of your crotches you would admit that she is a pedophile & molesting children!

Seems a little harsh, but I do understand your view on this. It wasn't any different than my wifes. With that said, and by looking at this thread. You have to realize that men, and women think very differently on this subject. The boy was 14, I do remember when I was 14, and I can say that without a doubt, that although I didn't know everything. One of the things that I can say for absolute certain is that I was aware of my sexuality, and the desire of wanting to have some sex w/ a woman older than me. It is just a fact that it is one of the fantasys young men (I use this term loosely, think of it post-pubescent) have. I can recall wanting Lindsey Wagner or Cheryl Tiegs (I am 34).



You all know that if it was a man doing it you all would be up in arms ready to kill him!

Yes, you make the second point my wife did. And yes, this double standard exists in my household. I have a 9 year old son. And when asked what I would do if it were him when he turns 14. My answer was. "I would ask him if he used a condom, and how it was" If I had a 14 year old daughter? "This guy would get a visit from me in a quick hurry. Let me ask you, or any other woman on this forum. "When you were 14, did you think of being with an older man?" I would gather not!!! But you ask any 14 year old boy, and I bet the overwhelming majorit would say YES....and willingly. It wouldn't take much for an attractive teacher like her to coerce a young man to have sex with her.



This is no different just cause she is a woman.

The difference lies between who is asked the question. She most def. should be punished for what she did. Could this be a case of the crime being getting caught?

[Zero]

hah Only on Club Polk,


Thank God we have laws.

Wouldn't that be more of thanking Congress? heh.. Anyway; I concur there. If those statures and laws did not exist, than you would see 'rent a kid' services in every town/city!

Polk65,

I think I realized that by the first time it happened to me.


Frank,

I dont believe anyone here, myself included, is advocating sex between a minor and adult. Not to pick on you, but you said something in particular that I find used all too common, and thats the "protect the children" angle. She was not going after 8 year old Jimmy who just wanted to watch Spongebob. She went for a young boy who knew of sex, obviously was capable of having it and odds are - enjoyed/welcomed it. This doesn't make it right, but the difference between the two are significant to say the least.


You all know that if it was a man doing it you all would be up in arms ready to kill him!

Well, for one - boys don't get pregnant. Second, a boy usually does not get too emotionally attached. Usually its just about the sex and bragging rights. With girls, it can be that, but you usually also add in what comes later - the emotional attachement, needing comfort / security, et all. Sure, people will be up in arms.....thats because when a girl is taken advantage of the consequences can be pretty damned severe! With a boy that was willing/able, they get over it fairly quickly because they got what they wanted out of the situation. Thats the way the ball bounces.

In closure - dont read any of my posts as defending this woman, the situation, or anything else of the sort. Believe it or not, I am on your team. As you by now have surely noticed, my responses has been more/less directed towards individual comments I find to be either too broad, or just being all emotion and no thought.

[thehaens@cox.net]

when a girl is taken advantage of the consequences can be pretty damned severe! With a boy that was willing/able, they get over it fairly quickly because they got what they wanted out of the situation. Thats the way the ball bounces.



You hit another interesting point. It seems that when a young woman is in this situation, she is going to need years of therapy and will "never" be the same again. The young man? no need to talk to a therapist. He'll gladly talk about it amongst his friends for the rest of his life......

Scott

[TroyD]

Look, locker room humor aside.....

I REALLY hope that you guys see that there IS something wrong there. There are a whole HOST of issues that come along with that particular scenario that a 14 year old kid just ain't prepared to deal with.

So Sean, when your daughter is 14, you going to be ok with her knocking boots with her phys ed teacher?? I sure as hell hope not. Having knowledge and capability and willingness to have sex are not the same as being mature enough to deal with it and all the associated baggage.


BDT

[Demiurge]

It's not really a double standard to say that a 14 year old girl having sex with an adult male is different than a 14 year old boy having sex with an adult female. Men and women are different! :eek:

Both are wrong. The damaging effects on a female as opposed to the male are worlds apart. Men and women are different, but in the interest of the equality police we need to pretend that they're not.

The woman should be in jail for rape, but please don't try to sell us on some b.s. psychological issues that will scar this young man for life. The only person with problems in this scenario is the teacher. The kid for all intents and purposes probably considers himself lucky.

In so saying -- it doesn't make it right, welcome, or encouraged. I can't think of a sane parent that would be happy this happened to their kid, male or female.

[Dennis Gardner]

You hit another interesting point. It seems that when a young woman is in this situation, she is going to need years of therapy and will "never" be the same again. The young man? no need to talk to a therapist. He'll gladly talk about it amongst his friends for the rest of his life......

Scott

For 14 year old boys, this would be considered therapy...............to get rid of the anxiety of "when will be my first time, what am I to do with these giant new found urges, who will it be with, what will it be like?" At 14, the self centered mind of the young boy will never wonder whether she will still like him, only will she like him enough to do it again with him?

Old fashioned or not, "protect your women both young and old", and "boys will be boys" are still true to this day. He wasn't assaulted, he was more than likely satisfied.

As Chris Rock would put it....It ain't right, but I understand.

As for the legal aspect of something like this...it is simply what equal rights for women has brought into our civilized society. They must be punished the same.

The sad irony is that our legal system can't make up their mind....If he would have killed her, he would be treated as an adult, but if he has sex with her, he is treated as a child. How f*cked up is that?

Where is our understanding of the nature of human beings?


Flame away, I have 4 boys and a girl and there is definatley a difference.

[PhantomOG]

Say what you want but everyone making comments to the effect of "he's a boy, he wanted it, it's ok" is a bunch of crap talk spoken from guys who are thinking with the mind of a 20+ year old and not thinking of what's best for a child. Its makes for good forum fodder but that's all it is.

He's 14. Yes, he is a child. Go on and on about how macho you are but I bet at least half the guys on this forum went half crazy when their first "serious" relationship ended. There is NO WAY in hell an adult should get themselves into a situation like this with a 14 year old, girl or boy.

Its a double standard because MEN fantasize about the situation, not because BOYS do. I'm sure there are *plenty* of cases of young girls with crushes on teachers, who might even WANT to have sex with their teacher. The desires of the child make no difference, its still wrong. I bet 99% of 14 year olds WANT access to drugs, alcohol, and the ability to drive... does that mean we should let them?

[Zero]

Troy,


Having knowledge and capability and willingness to have sex are not the same as being mature enough to deal with it and all the associated baggage.

Bingo. Hence the laws, statures, and uproar. Instead of just repeating what everyone else says, I am honing in on something people dont like/want to recognize; some kids are ready and mature enough to handle the situation. If you honestly believe there aren't 14 yr olds out there incapable of handling 'baggage'... you may be in for a rude awakening.

As for the hypothetical scenario you propose; Of course not, and in my above posts I've more-less enforced my reasons why so I wont repeat myself.

Let's just say that I hope I will have done a good enough job as a parent to re-enforce some serious values and morals and maybe a bit of fear to discourage my kid (boy or girl) from making such choices.

[Maurice]

[QUOTE=cfrizz]I know many teens especially boys would welcome such a thing since the majority in this thread have shown that no matter what your age you let what hangs between your legs do your thinking for you!


Cfrizz, I hear what your saying, but there is something that women will never understand, a penis has no conscience. Men do, but our members dont. No offense, but you would have to have one to understand.;) All bs aside, the chick needs to be locked up.

[TroyD]

Troy,



Bingo. Hence the laws, statures, and uproar. Instead of just repeating what everyone else says, I am honing in on something people dont like/want to recognize; some kids are ready and mature enough to handle the situation. If you honestly believe there aren't 14 yr olds out there incapable of handling 'baggage'... you may be in for a rude awakening.

As for the hypothetical scenario you propose; Of course not, and in my above posts I've more-less enforced my reasons why so I wont repeat myself.

Let's just say that I hope I will have done a good enough job as a parent to re-enforce some serious values and morals and maybe a bit of fear to discourage my kid (boy or girl) from making such choices.

What if your daughter is super-mature? I mean, it's pretty well established that women mature faster than boys, right? So, what's wrong with me talking your daughter to her 8th grade prom?

Here's another point that you are missing, this woman is a TEACHER. Authority figure. What kid is 'prepared' enough to cope with that whole scenario? Do you think all those boys who were abused by priests through thier teens were all homosexual? Don't you think it might be tough to say 'no' to someone like that and all the pressure they can bring to bare via thier position? It's SICK. It's predatorial. If this chick needs to get her rocks off, there are PLENTY of guys her age.

I AM saying that a 14 year old does NOT have the sort of maturity to deal with that situation appropriately. If you are going to offer yourself up as an example, don't bother.

Troy

[wingnut4772]

Just because a 14 yr old may want it does not mean it's not wrong. Adults are supposed to know better and we trust teachers with our kids. It's just wrong.

[thehaens@cox.net]

Say what you want but everyone making comments to the effect of "he's a boy, he wanted it, it's ok" is a bunch of crap talk spoken from guys who are thinking with the mind of a 20+ year old and not thinking of what's best for a child. Its makes for good forum fodder but that's all it is.


Everyone has their own recollection of their state of mind when they were 14. I remember it very well. It was the year of my parents divorce. I received my drivers license (Alaska), I was caring for my younger sister and brother while my father was away working. I knew the difference between right and wrong. Do you really think that this young man didn't have a choice in this manner? Do you really think that this woman forced him to have sex with her?


He's 14. Yes, he is a child. Go on and on about how macho you are but I bet at least half the guys on this forum went half crazy when their first "serious" relationship ended.

I have to disagree...when does a person get out of childhood? Is it 18? Our agreed upon "legal" age? Well take this into consideration. Before I stepped foot in Australia, one thing that was told to us was that the "legal" age was 16.


There is NO WAY in hell an adult should get themselves into a situation like this with a 14 year old, girl or boy.

For the sake of not arguing about the age of adults, I agree that this 24(?) year old teacher should of never got involved with a 14 year old.

[Demiurge]

For the sake of not arguing about the age of adults, I agree that this 24(?) year old teacher should of never got involved with a 14 year old.

I agree, and that's the whole point here that some are missing.

For those who disagree, forgive me if I missed it, but I don't think anyone said that what she did was right. I think the argument people are making are the differences between a 14 year old boy and a 14 year old girl. Everyone wants to just throw that out the window when talking about the ramifications of what happened.

She still raped the kid based on the letter of the law, and she did what no teacher or adult, male or female should have ever done.

Interestingly enough -- this woman should be charged the same as a man would. Just because I think the damage done to a young man is different than to a young woman doesn't mean we should encourage the behavior. We all know that fantasies and acting on them are two different things.

If anything annoys me it's that when women commit these crimes it's cute and okay then they get a slap on the wrist by the legal system. I just don't go so far as to say that the kid is going to have a screwed up life after the experience.

[PhantomOG]

I just don't go so far as to say that the kid is going to have a screwed up life after the experience.

I really do believe alot of guys are underestimating the affect a relationship like this has on a 14 year old male. Are there 14 year old boys who would be perfectly fine? Without a doubt. But I think it is a terrible generalization to extend to all 14 year old boys, with implications more far reaching than people are willing to admit.

Just look at that LeTournou (sp?) kid who just got married last year.... With him and his mom trying to sell the baby pictures to the highest paying bidder. YEAH, he's turning out to be a real winner in life.

[Zero]

This is not an easy issue to cover. Something that seems like it should be so black and white on the surface turns out to be full of grey area when dissected into tiny bits.

The general consensus in this thread is that what this woman has done is wrong and anything but acceptable, especially given her position. Naturally, I may be so bold as to say that none of us here find sex between a young minor (14 yrs of age) and an adult (at least over 20) to be right under any circumstance. Laws are there to discourage such a thing. These adults should know better.

Naturally though, one has to ask when a child becomes a young adult that is on average, able to cope with a situation. That answer varies from person to person, situation to situation, and nation to nation. The average global age of consent is 16, ours is 18.

The only point’s I have consciously brought up was first, distinguishing the difference between molestation / manipulation and consensual sex. Of course even under consensual circumstances, it does not make a situation excusable or acceptable. However, there is a difference and I wanted to make it clear. It’s dangerous to toss around such strong words without fully appreciating the differences.

My second point that seemed to cause a stir was to illustrate that just because someone is 14, does not automatically bind them to being ill prepared or able to handle consequence. Lets think clearly for a second and forget about how you feel towards the situation. Do you really and truly believe that every 14 year old on this planet now, and has ever been are so inept? Hard as this may be to digest, there are thousands, if not millions who have had intercourse with an adult at that age and ended up no different than most of us here. They did not turn out to be some crazed and disturbed person, or end up a pedophile.

Of course there are going to be many circumstances to where an adult manipulates the kid and they are too nieve to fully realize it. Of course there are circumstances to where damage really was done. That’s why there are laws against it, and that’s why everyone of us recognizes it as being so perverse/wrong. Just the same, that does not exclude every 14 year old on this planet from being the contrary.

My last point was to focus on the differences between the effects of this sort of ‘relationship’ on a boy and a girl. Because girls can get pregnant and because girls get so emotionally attached, the inevitable repercussions are different and arguably more severe. This does not detract from the damage that can be inflicted on a boy. I’ve had friends who were in such relationships only to be tossed aside once they reached a certain age. It crushed them beyond words. That is something not exclusive to either gender. Just the same, while a boy can be hurt easily, usually if they can score a nice looking younger woman and they get what they want – than life is good. Does that make it any more acceptable? Well of course not!!!

People often look towards other publicized circumstances as an example to rest their opinion on. The truth is, it’s the attention their situation got and the alteration in lifestyle due to that publicity that changed their lives. Its an example on extreme steroids and is certainly not something to go by.

In the end, this is just a vicious cycle. How are we to determine that every single person on this planet at age 14 is unable to make a choice and live with the consequences without damage? What about choice? Is there really *always* a ‘victim’ in these cases? Is it always molestation/rape just because of an age difference? We as a group always try to keep what we deem as ‘filth’ *drugs, prostitutes, alchohol, etc* away from our kids all the while teaching them how wrong/bad it is. Eventually a time comes to where we all have to make a decision about every one of those things. It doesn’t make any of it OK and right to do, but it’s a part of life just the same – all with consequence. As I said earlier, its not all black and white. In this situation, on the surface, all we can say is that in this instance, that woman – no matter how attractive she is and no matter how much she could have made that boys day/night… is still wrong, and is where she belongs.

[danger boy]

Cathy is right. Yes most all 14 yr old boys would welcome a teacher who was taking an interest in them like this teacher did. It would be huge bragging rights for him.. but it's still wrong.

http://www.rotten.com/library/sex/pedophilia/mary-kay-letourneau/
although this link I posted is a long read.. it clearly points out that women can be pedophiles just like men can be. Sex or sexually explicit items are against the law with a minor, plain and simple. No matter how hot the teacher is.

Please take the time to read the link i posted.. it might change you mind on the subject.. and how it's wrong.

[thehaens@cox.net]

Interestingly enough -- this woman should be charged the same as a man would. Just because I think the damage done to a young man is different than to a young woman doesn't mean we should encourage the behavior. We all know that fantasies and acting on them are two different things.

If anything annoys me it's that when women commit these crimes it's cute and okay then they get a slap on the wrist by the legal system. I just don't go so far as to say that the kid is going to have a screwed up life after the experience.

Is there any precedence on this? I did a search through legal websites looking for any cases where a female "rapist" (used this term in the search) has received a large sentence. I guess in the Letourneau case, seven years served could be considered to some large. But that was only because she went in for round II, her first term was only 6 months. Familiarities exist in both these women. They couldn't stay away from the "victim"

[PhantomOG]

Do you really think that this young man didn't have a choice in this manner? Do you really think that this woman forced him to have sex with her?

Nice... he had a *choice* so its his fault. How about we setup cigarette and beer vending machines in middle and high school hallways. Hell, let's put the local neighborhood drug pusher in the hallways as well. The kids have the *choice* not to use these things right? So it is still a responsible thing to do, right???

She was a teacher, a position of authority over this child. Just because you think you were mature enough at age 14 to bone your teachers doesn't mean everyone at that age should have that *choice* forced upon them.

[thehaens@cox.net]

You are taking it out of context. I am not in any way saying that it is his fault at all. Quite the contrary actually. And I also didn't say that I was old enough to bone my teachers. What I said is that I knew my surroundings and what was going on in my life. Was more in tune with things. For all I know this kid could be "lost in the sauce" I was merely pointing things out for the sake of debate..........look at my post. There was questions asked........not statements made...

[cfrizz]

Look guys I understand what hormones do. I have a perfectly healthy set of them myself.

I had a HUGE crush on one of my HS teachers & thought he was the be all to end all. (So did every other girl in the school) One yr my dad couldn't take me to the father daughter dinner dance I asked him to escort me. I was #10 on the list!

Mr. Kellett could have had his choice of every young girl on campus, most likely me too. Fortunately HE was wise enough to know that it was wrong.

I'm not blaming the boy for having hormonal urges, but I can possibly see him having problems in the future.

I know you all think it's no big deal & macholy cool, but who is to say that he won't grow up to do the same sort of thing to other young people? Or be abusive, or any number of things.

This was about a sick woman abusing her power.

Rape & abuse is about power not sex! It's because they have either the physical strength and or the mental manipulitive wherewithal to use it & abuse it.

I've seen enough of you guys come on here devasted over an ended relationship, so you will never convince me that this won't somehow come back to haunt this boy.

[BIZILL]

and with all this said, time to watch the video, yet again!....

[PhantomOG]

The only point’s I have consciously brought up was first, distinguishing the difference between molestation / manipulation and consensual sex. Of course even under consensual circumstances, it does not make a situation excusable or acceptable. However, there is a difference and I wanted to make it clear. It’s dangerous to toss around such strong words without fully appreciating the differences.

The case we are discussing here is between a 24 year old and a 14 year old. No one here is talking about under 18's having sex with under 18's. We're not even talking about a 19/17 type relationship which IS grey. A 24 year old ADULT having any kind of sexual contact with somone who is 14 years old is STATUTORY RAPE. End of story. It's dangerous to toss around strong words like "consensual" when discussing cases like this.


Do you really and truly believe that every 14 year old on this planet now, and has ever been are so inept? Hard as this may be to digest, there are thousands, if not millions who have had intercourse with an adult at that age and ended up no different than most of us here. They did not turn out to be some crazed and disturbed person, or end up a pedophile.

Do you really truly believe that every 14 year old on this planet is capable of dealing with a situation like this? No? Then what is your point? Are you insinuating that this kid is? Everyone knows its possible he is, what good does it do assuming so? Think about what kind of agenda is served by bringing that up everytime a case like this comes up.


What about choice? Is there really *always* a ‘victim’ in these cases? Is it always molestation/rape just because of an age difference?

YES. In this case a resounding yes. Again, this is not a 19/17 year old relationship.

[PhantomOG]

I've seen enough of you guys come on here devasted over an ended relationship, so you will never convince me that this won't somehow come back to haunt this boy.

exactly, where is all this sexual machismo bravado/posturing then??

[Zero]

Phantom,


Do you really truly believe that every 14 year old on this planet is capable of dealing with a situation like this? No? Then what is your point?

Hey McFly - how many times and how many ways must it be said until it becomes clear? The point is _*some*_ ARE capable. Nothing more/nothing less. Sheesh. This is not talking about the agenda of the other party. This isnt talking about legalities. Its not talking about morals. This is about a person being able to cope with a situation.

[Frank Z]

Phantom,



Hey McFly - how many times and how many ways must it be said until it becomes clear? The point is _*some*_ ARE capable. Nothing more/nothing less. Sheesh. This is not talking about the agenda of the other party. This isnt talking about legalities. Its not talking about morals. This is about a person being able to cope with a situation.When you grow up, move out of the basement, get married, have kids of your own...come back and spout the same bullshit. :rolleyes:

[PhantomOG]

Hey McFly - how many times and how many ways must it be said until it becomes clear? The point is _*some*_ ARE capable. Nothing more/nothing less. Sheesh. This is not talking about the agenda of the other party. This isnt talking about legalities. Its not talking about morals. This is about a person being able to cope with a situation.

Make whatever points you would like. Regardless of whether or not you think there are no consequences, an agenda is served and is clearly evident by the differences in sentencing in cases like this. You say there should be no difference but your attitude is what contributes to the difference in the first place.

[cfrizz]

This statement is basically telling me that you condone his behavior when what you should be doing is calling the police to report the pedophile & kicking you son's ass for not having the slightest bit of self control!

He is certainly old enough to know better & should have been taught that this is wrong at such a young age.

This is precisely why society is so messed up today. There is supposed to be a major difference between us & lower life animals. It only happens if parents are truly parents & take their kids in hand & teach them the difference between right & wrong, & discipline & self control. Not, do it just don't get caught & don't forget to use a condom!



Yes, you make the second point my wife did. And yes, this double standard exists in my household. I have a 9 year old son. And when asked what I would do if it were him when he turns 14. My answer was. "I would ask him if he used a condom, and how it was"

[PolkThug]

and with all this said, time to watch the video, yet again!....

I keep thinking...

"So here's to you, Mrs. Robinson"

[cfrizz]

BINGO!


Make whatever points you would like. Regardless of whether or not you think there are no consequences, an agenda is served and is clearly evident by the differences in sentencing in cases like this. You say there should be no difference but your attitude is what contributes to the difference in the first place.

[Zero]

haha Well no shit an agenda is served. Its called "getting your rocks off". haha

[Demiurge]

Shit, we're playing Bingo, where's my card?

[Zero]

I dunno Demi. The teacher told me to stay after class for my card. :p

[Toxis]

Here's the way I see it. She might have a nice body and what-not but having sex with a 14 year old is disgusting and wrong on many levels. Now if any guy was his age and had her offering things to you, you'd take her up on it as well. Does it make it right in any way? No! Now you can't compare this to what the priests have done to young alter boys because I guarantee at no point did any young alter boy feel good about himself getting touched by an older, nasty, grey haired perverted old man. Getting to do what you do to a 24 year old hottie teacher with a great frame... not the same thing by any means. The only similarity is they're both statitory rape but I see them on different levels. Both wrong and disgusting just on different levels.

[BIZILL]

i wish i had her at the ripe 'ole age of 14. i'd be just as i am now, but with more bragging rights.

[exalted512]

He is certainly old enough to know better & should have been taught that this is wrong at such a young age.
so what youre saying is that it shouldnt be statutory rape because hes old enough to know better?

Isnt that why its not rape when one is above 18, because theyre old enough to know better? So if I'm following what you said correctly, then by your terms, she should not have been charged.
-Cody

[BIZILL]

i'd like to hear R Kelly chime in on the subject...:rolleyes:

[cfrizz]

What I'm saying is if he had been raised properly he would have been taught that it is wrong and illegal to have sex with an adult & he should be waiting for the special person & the right time & age to be doing such mature things that can have great consequences.

It's about teaching a child that just cause he has an urge to do something with someone else he shouldn't just go ahead & do it. I would rather you teach him how to masturbate by himself rather than tell him to go get someone to shag whether adult or another child!

It's all about parents being parents & actually keeping track of their children & what they are doing & with whom!

[BIZILL]

I would rather you teach him how to masturbate by himself
now son, be sure not to neglect the 'berries'...;)

[Demiurge]

Have you ever given a foot massage?

[Toxis]

"And here's what your ol' man calls the stranger."

"See... feels like someone else is doing it!"

Not exactly what I call Bonding Time but I guess if it works for you.

BTW, a 14 year old (unless raised super religious) is thinking about touching boobies if not having sex all the time. Hell, I know I was. But I guess I wasn't raised right because I started at the tender age of 13... with two different ladies that summer (17 and 14). Damn you mom and dad!!!!!

[thehaens@cox.net]

This statement is basically telling me that you condone his behavior when what you should be doing is calling the police to report the pedophile & kicking you son's ass for not having the slightest bit of self control!

He is certainly old enough to know better & should have been taught that this is wrong at such a young age.

This is precisely why society is so messed up today. There is supposed to be a major difference between us & lower life animals. It only happens if parents are truly parents & take their kids in hand & teach them the difference between right & wrong, & discipline & self control. Not, do it just don't get caught & don't forget to use a condom!

I am not condoning it. What would bother me is if he F'd up his childhood w/ getting someone pregnant. Could be an older woman, or it could be a young gal. Doesn't matter how old she is. I am in the belief that anyone that hasn't at least finished his/her education, without some form of income, be it career or otherwise shouldn't be out trying to raise/have children. It isn't fair to the child. Now think about the situation I was talking about. It was between my wife and I having a discussion. The damage (in this case the sex) was already done. She asked me if it were our son, and was the same situation how would I feel about it. Well I can't take back what was done. The more important statement in my comment was "did you use a condom" I can't take back what was done.........

[TroyD]

When you grow up, move out of the basement, get married, have kids of your own...come back and spout the same bullshit. :rolleyes:

Thank you Frank. The 14 year old that DID have the maturity would be the one who would have stayed away and reported her.

BDT

[thehaens@cox.net]

now son, be sure not to neglect the 'berries'...;)

:D That is some funny shite.........

[BIZILL]

"And here's what your ol' man calls the stranger."

"See... feels like someone else is doing it!"

Not exactly what I call Bonding Time but I guess if it works for you.

BTW, a 14 year old (unless raised super religious) is thinking about touching boobies if not having sex all the time. Hell, I know I was. But I guess I wasn't raised right because I started at the tender age of 13... with two different ladies that summer (17 and 14). Damn you mom and dad!!!!!
i have you beat...

[BIZILL]

...consentually, mind you.

[cfrizz]

:D WAAA! Ok let's rephrase this! LOL!

I would rather you TELL him that it is perfectly ok to masturbate to relieve those urges of his until the right time, woman, maturity has come along to experience it with someone.:D

[cfrizz]

I didn't realize you had personalized it, I thought you were still talking about the kid & teacher. Sorry if I offended.

The more important aspect for me is that it should be self control first. Especially at 14 yrs of age! If you utilize that, you won't have to worry about getting some girl's life f'd up with an unwanted pregnancy as well as your own.

If that fails then yeah use a condom & make sure you ask her if she is on BCP's.

But nowadays most boys/men head for the hills & take 0 responsibility for what they have done.


I am not condoning it. What would bother me is if he F'd up his childhood w/ getting someone pregnant. Could be an older woman, or it could be a young gal. Doesn't matter how old she is. I am in the belief that anyone that hasn't at least finished his/her education, without some form of income, be it career or otherwise shouldn't be out trying to raise/have children. It isn't fair to the child. Now think about the situation I was talking about. It was between my wife and I having a discussion. The damage (in this case the sex) was already done. She asked me if it were our son, and was the same situation how would I feel about it. Well I can't take back what was done. The more important statement in my comment was "did you use a condom" I can't take back what was done.........

[thehaens@cox.net]

The more important aspect for me is that it should be self control first. Especially at 14 yrs of age! If you utilize that, you won't have to worry about getting some girl's life f'd up with an unwanted pregnancy as well as your own.

If that fails then yeah use a condom & make sure you ask her if she is on BCP's.

But nowadays most boys/men head for the hills & take 0 responsibility for what they have done.

What 14 year old boy has self control? When the time comes, (again my son is 8), I can only hope that we have given him enough information for him to make the responsibile choice/decision. ;)

scott

[cfrizz]

How about when he comes home talking about some girl he likes, taking him into his room grabbing him by his jewels & tell him that if he wants to keep them then his little friend stays zipped into his pants! Cause if some girl comes knocking on the door saying she's preggers w/ your son's kid you are going to cut his jewels off right in front of her!:D

Fear is a wonderful inspiration for self control. It's all about being a parent not a friend! They are not going to have it, so it is up to you to have it for them & be willing to enforce it!

That is the largest failure of parents today.


What 14 year old boy has self control? When the time comes, (again my son is 8), I can only hope that we have given him enough information for him to make the responsibile choice/decision. ;)

scott

[danger boy]

I hate to do this.. but.. with a show of hands.. how many people think:

1. the 14 yr old boy is lucky to have had sex with his teacher at that age?

2. who thinks the boy should have told another adult? ie: principal/parent/school admin

3. who thinks the teacher did the right thing by enticing the boy into sex?

4. who thinks it's wrong for ANY minor to have sex with any adult?

5. who thinks that if this happen to their son at the age of 14 they would not be upset?

6. who thinks that if this happen to their son at the age of 14 they would be extremely upset?

7. who thinks the boy should take things into his own hand(s) next time?

[Demiurge]

Like almost all poll questions with complex answers, they're extremely flawed.

[steveinaz]

What's a grown woman want with a "hung like a hamster" 14 yr old anyway?

This chicks got issues....

[danger boy]

What's a grown woman want with a "hung like a hamster" 14 yr old anyway?

This chicks got issues....


I don't know either. but in the Mary Kay Latournau case here is a quote about the 13 yr old boy in that case.. "He was renowned for his -- let's just say maturity -- and charm." use your imagination where the -- is. And i think you get your answer.

Don't hate me, I'm just the messsenger.

[sucks2beme]

Her and others like her are sick. The problem is, it's not just a one time fling for them. They appear to keep coming back, regardless of legal problems and jail time. They become obsessed with these boys. As an adult, I might be able to deal with these psycho women(yes, I ran into a couple!), but a boy can't. I think the boy Latournau seduced is completely messed up now and will never get his life straight.
As in FATAL ATTRACTION, they will NOT BE IGNORED. Sounds funny until it's your rabbit they're boiling.

[DarqueKnight]

It is interesting to note that these female pedophiles, like their male counterparts who prey on young girls, typically choose teenage boys who come from troubled family backgrounds. As others have mentioned, it is not about sex, it is about exercising control over an emotionally immature child.

In every high school there are always more than a few guys who consider themselves "cool" and who revel in bragging of their (real or imagined) sexual conquests. Sure, some of these guys would be thrilled to screw their "hot" history teacher until she lapses into a coma. Strangely enough, it seems that these female statutory rapists prefer the sweet, quiet type of boy who is emotionally needy and comes from an unstable, unhappy home environment. You know, the type of boy who will fall in love with them...the type of boy who will build their world around them and always be at their beck and call. Adult males usually cannot be so accommodating.

Male pedophiles use the same tactics. Have you noticed that male pedophiles typically DO NOT choose the promiscuous teenage girl who is physically mature for her age? Nah...they usually go for sweet, innocent little girls who haven't physically developed into anything even remotely resembling a mature woman. If a grown woman walked up and offered them some ass, they would probably piss in their pants and faint.

Whether the perpetrator is male or female, I think pedophilia is a horribly revolting crime. I find the hypocracy and double standards in the criminal justice system equally revolting. Just because the perpetrator in this case is an attractive female, it somehow makes it "o.k" and the teenage "beneficiary" is now elligible for bragging rights. If the perpetrator were some putrid, grey haired old lady, I assume there would be more sympathy for the victim(s) and more outrage for this crime. I won't even address the outrage that would ensue if the genders were reversed.

It is quite easy for an adult male to project fantasies of sex with an attactive female teacher onto a teenage boy. I ask you to consider the power dynamic between a high school student and a teacher. If any of you had been sexually propositioned by a very attactive teacher while you were in high school, would you have felt flattered by the attention or would you have felt aprehensive? What about the implied coercive element of being propositioned by an authority figure? Would you have been worried about the repercussions if things went wrong? What if you said no? What if you said yes but later displeased her in some way? If you received a bad grade for the work you did in bed, would this have some influence on your grades for legitimate school work? Usually, if you piss off one teacher you usually are on the outs with one or more other teachers by default. They do talk to each other...a lot.

Since we like to fantasize about having sex with a "hot" teacher, let us move to a non-pedophilliac environment. Say, for example, you are an unattached heterosexual male college senior 21 years of age. On the first day of one of your major classes, in walks the most gorgeous female you have ever laid eyes on. It turns out that this gorgeous female is 26 years old, just received her Ph.D. a month ago, and is your major department's newest faculty member. All the males in the class (and perhaps some of the females) are driven to mad distraction by fantasies of having wild, hot, kinky sex with this HOT NEW PROFESSOR. After a couple of weeks of school, the hot new professor expresses some "special" interest in you. She makes it clear that she would be pleased if you would stop by her home so that she can help you with your "homework" (you lucky bastard). She's not harassing you. There are no explicit threats that your grades will suffer if you don't "play ball". Wow, now you have the chance to make all your fantasies COME true. Would you GO FOR IT or would you worry about the possible complications of becoming involved with an authority figure who has some power and influence over your academic success? I presume your answer would depend on which head you do most of your thinking with. Good luck. Maybe you'll even go to the HEAD of the class.

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that most of you guys reading this are neither in high school nor in college. Likewise, I will assume that most of you have a job of some kind. Let's say you are an adult, unattached, heterosexual male and your boss or even another manager at work is an extremely gorgeous female. She makes it known (but not in an aggressive, harassing way) that she is interested in having a sexual relationship with you. Are you going to jump at the opportunity (because she is soooooo fuggin' hot) or are you going to think twice about the complications and possible repercussions of engaging in a sexual relationship with an authority figure at work? What if you start something up and then things go sour? She does have power and she can hurt you professionally and economically, BUT, I assume that most of you would throw caution to the winds and JUST GO FOR IT. Just think of the bragging rights at the office water cooler.;)

[mrbigbluelight]

I would rather you teach him how to masturbate by himself rather than tell him to go get someone to shag whether adult or another child!

It's all about parents being parents & actually keeping track of their children & what they are doing & with whom!


that's where I headed south at a young age. I had to learn how to masturbate by myself (with a few visual aids, to be quite honest).

And......just a second please...

"Where you going ? Oh, okay. Hey ! Remember to take the Canon EOS 30D with you this time, you lucky SOB !!!"

....okay, where was I ? Oh, yeah. I agree that it is very important for parents to keep track of their children and what they are doing and with whom. It's also important for them to remember the importance of proper lighting and focal length, too.

Signed model releases is an issue that should not be ignored, either.

[Polk65]

Something I hope to see in my lifetime is equal punishment in every state for sex crimes against children.

The way it is now, judges hand down different judgements which don't come close to punishment for the crime. They must pay time for their crime, not a couple month sentence with parole.

Our society must send the unmistakable message that what these adults are doing to our children is wrong. Predator is a word to contemplate on when judging these people.

[cfrizz]

Outstanding Post!!!! Well Done!

:D All right Mr. BBL! Hopefully you saw where I revised my statement!:D

The fact is nowadays, men aren't teaching their boys to respect women & women aren't teaching their girls to respect themselves. This lack of respect on all sides leads to trouble & to future generations of disrespectful people.

Leaving predatory jerks like this woman to take advantage & do even more damage.

Polk65 I totally agree!

[Zero]

Darque Knight. Rock on, perhaps the most lucid and well thought out post in this crazy thread.

[bikezappa]

CFRIZZ

Men and women are different with regard to sex at any age. Lenny Bruce put it best to me with this short story.

Man gets hit by a bus and has broken his arm and leg. He gets loaded into the ambulance and notices that the medic is a pretty women. He makes a play at the women.

To most women this is disgusting and unthinkable but it is how testosterone works on a persons brain.

Peter

[HiPerf360]

I wish I had known that 14 years are irresistable to grown women. I would have worked that angle hard back then.


No shi...

All thoes wasted years....

[cfrizz]

This might be true Peter. However, with proper training from parents at home this behavior can be self controlled.

I watched my father teach my 2 brothers to treat women with respect. I remember him telling them that it was not proper to hit a woman. He showed his sons how to treat women by his own example of how he treated our mother.

My brother will stand up if sitting when introduced to a woman, he will open a door & let us out first. Etc. etc.

My brother's fiancee practically had to hit him over the head to get him to finally realize that SHE was ready to take their relationship to the next level! Because it was drilled into him by our father that putting the moves on a woman before she was ready was wrong! They were/are each others best friends long before they became lovers! But she really appreciates that fact. She was sick & tired of dealing with dogs disguised as men!

I'm tired of men using the tired excuse that they are wired different. The only thing that is different is that these boys and men have not been taught any manners!

Both sexes have hormones! When I'm in the right mood you probably wouldn't survive the attack. However, I'm not going to throw myself & you or any other man just cause my hormones are acting up!

Stop using your hormones as an excuse to act like a dog & start acting like a thinking intelligent respectful men!



CFRIZZ

Men and women are different with regard to sex at any age. Lenny Bruce put it best to me with this short story.

Man gets hit by a bus and has broken his arm and leg. He gets loaded into the ambulance and notices that the medic is a pretty women. He makes a play at the women.

To most women this is disgusting and unthinkable but it is how testosterone works on a persons brain.

Peter

[cfrizz]

This conversation has been all over the map! To bring it back to the main point, This 14 yr old boy was stalked & molested by a pedophile. Trying to make it seem that he was very fortunate to have this happen is crazy!

People will probably see how fortunate he was sometime in the future like the Letourneau kid.

[bikezappa]

cfrizz

If a man rapes a women or girl, the female doesn't need to cooperate for the act to be completed. Force can be used by the man to rape. Yes, this is disgusting and must be punished.

If a women rapes a man or boy, the male needs an erection for the act to be completed. For a male to have an erection he must want to cooperate. I don't think I would be damaged by a women that wanted to have sex with me at age 14. That is if I was attracted to an older women at age 14 I think i would enjoy the sex, but that's just me.

Now I'm not talking about anal rape here just straight sex.

With regard to testosterone, a woman can become a man with many of the male charateristics by just injecting testosterone, men with damaged balls need testosterone to keep their face hair and sex drive. Unfortunatly these chemicals determine many of our male/female behaviors. I agree with cfrizz that men should and can control these behaviors with women. I think a man that rapes and is convicted 2 times should have his balls/testosterone removed...

Peter

[Paul in Canada]

cfrizz

If a man rapes a women or girl, the female doesn't need to cooperate for the act to be completed. Force can be used by the man to rape. Yes, this is disgusting and must be punished.

If a women rapes a man or boy, the male needs an erection for the act to be completed. For a male to have an erection he must want to cooperate. I don't think I would be damaged by a women that wanted to have sex with me at age 14. That is if I was attracted to an older women at age 14 I think i would enjoy the sex, but that's just me.

Now I'm not talking about anal rape here just straight sex.

With regard to testosterone, a woman can become a man with many of the male charateristics by just injecting testosterone, men with damaged balls need testosterone to keep their face hair and sex drive. Unfortunatly these chemicals determine many of our male/female behaviors. I agree with cfrizz that men should and can control these behaviors with women. I think a man that rapes and is convicted 2 times should have his balls/testosterone removed...

Peter

You make some good points. Peter should run for Prez.

[bikezappa]

If I run for prez then I would become a liar.

[cfrizz]

Reread HolyDoc's & Darqueknight's post for the counter arguments for those points.

[bikezappa]

cfrizz

I have no data to counter Darqueknight's data regarding what type of children male and female get raped under the age of consent. I would be interested to look at his referances as to the annual income of the parents of raped children and other things these children have in common. It sounds like a very time consuming project to gather that type of data to form these conclusions. Regarding what to do in cases of a attractive female boss, well that is a completely different story because we are now dealing with adults not children. I guess it would be one sticky situation however.

My only point really is that sex for boys is different than sex for girls.

And this differance is primarily based on anatomy and on hormones interacting with the brain and body. I also have no statistical data to back up this point except to know what is going on in my body and in the 1000 men I know and talk to every day.

I also have no idea why a women would want to have sex with a boy.

Peace

[Holydoc]

cfrizz

If a man rapes a women or girl, the female doesn't need to cooperate for the act to be completed. Force can be used by the man to rape. Yes, this is disgusting and must be punished.

If a women rapes a man or boy, the male needs an erection for the act to be completed. For a male to have an erection he must want to cooperate. I don't think I would be damaged by a women that wanted to have sex with me at age 14. That is if I was attracted to an older women at age 14 I think i would enjoy the sex, but that's just me.

Now I'm not talking about anal rape here just straight sex.

With regard to testosterone, a woman can become a man with many of the male charateristics by just injecting testosterone, men with damaged balls need testosterone to keep their face hair and sex drive. Unfortunatly these chemicals determine many of our male/female behaviors. I agree with cfrizz that men should and can control these behaviors with women. I think a man that rapes and is convicted 2 times should have his balls/testosterone removed...

Peter

Peter,

I was going to try to be silent, but it appears we are getting a bit off track.

This case is not based on Rape. It is based on Statutory Rape.

Rape is defined as "forced to have sex or sexual actions against one's will". It is a felony and is considered a violent crime for sentencing purposes.

Statutory Rape is define as "engaging in sex or sexual actions with an individual who is below the statutory Age of Consent". Notice that there is NO phrase about whether it is against one's will or not. There is NO phrase on whether it causes damage physically or mentally to the victim. The penalties run from a misdemeanor to a felony. Determination of sentencing is based on age differences, manner of coercion, and "perceptual" position of the adult committing the act.

So in this situation, the woman (notice I did not say lady) had 10 years seniority on this child and was in a position of authority over the childs present and future scholastic rankings. The manner of coercion was unclear but not necessary in this case. It was cut and dry.

Once again let me emphasize that it makes no difference whether the minor consents, does not consent, or runs a brothel for milk money (though these may count in at the sentencing). The only thing that matters for the trial was whether the law was broken. It was.

Another misconception that is being spread here as well is the statement that "if the child was taught better about sex, then he would have not done this act." This may be true, BUT it is not the responsibility of the child to resist the temptation to have sex with an adult. In the eyes of the law, it is the adults full responsibility to not have sexual relations with a minor. According to the law, the minor bears no fault and the adult is the one who pays or goes to jail. Part of being an adult is acting like one and realizing wrong from right. If you cannot do that yourself, laws have been put in place to educate you.

Statutory Rape laws are in place to protect the minor who is presumed to lack the knowledge of making mature or rational decisions as to whom they engage in sexual contact with and how they do so.

** Crawling back into my hole now. Sorry about the somber post **

[Toxis]

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[Holydoc]

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Doh! My apologies Toxis. I did say I was trying to just sit back and be quiet.

:p

[mrbigbluelight]

In all seriousness, if my 14 year-old son did share with me that his 26 year-old teacher had sex with him, I'd first have him tested for STD's.
Than I'd contact a lawyer I know who's particularly ruthless. He wouldn't stab his grandmother in the back; no, he'd turn her around so he could see the look on her face when he stabbed her in the guts.
I'd engage his services, with the understanding that his percentage would be 90 % of whatever recovery we mangaged to get if certain conditions were met. Basically, the conditions would be such that the teacher's life would become a living hell.

A little different than what my reaction would be if it were my daughter.
Someone had a quote from the movie, "Pulp Fiction" earlier. I mention that because my reaction would be somewhat along the lines of "pipe-wielding Negroes with blowtorches".

Within the last week, a local male highschool teacher has been arrested for kidnapping, felony assault, and attempted murder. Seems he gotten a little too attached to a 17 year-old student, so when she decided to break off their "affair" , he made some poor choices.
She's in critical condition in a local hospital; they found her hanging from a tree barely alive. Broken neck and almost eaten alive by insects. He's appealing the $1 million dollar bail that was set.

If I were her dad, I'd pray that the judge lowered his bail to a level that would allow him to be released pending trial.

[bikezappa]

My only point really is that sex for boys is different than sex for girls.

I understand the laws for statutory rape.

Also, I think a man that rapes and is convicted 2 times should have his balls/testosterone removed...

[Holydoc]

My only point really is that sex for boys is different than sex for girls.

I hope that is true. Else I have been doing it wrong all these years! :D



... just pulling your chain Bikezappa