PS3 Problems

[univera]

I don't play, but thought the gamers would find this interesting.

http://articles.news.aol.com/business/_a/playstation-3-not-playing-some-older/20061114061909990005?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Shizelbs]

Well that does it. If I can't play my Parrappa the Rappa on the PS3, I'm not buying one.

[zombie boy 2000]

Well that does it. If I can't play my Parrappa the Rappa on the PS3, I'm not buying one.

My favorite game OF ALL TIME...


so yeah, eff the PS3

[bobman1235]

Thye have said that it's a bug, they're aware of it, and will release firmware upgrades via internet to everyone who has the console, so it's really not that much of an issue.

[cam5860]

Yeah but there's another problem with the ps3 it cost 600 bucks. Fuck that!!!!!

[MikeC78]

Yeah but there's another problem with the ps3 it cost 600 bucks. Fuck that!!!!!

WOW!!:eek: Such hatred and language toward Sony products!:) Don't you realize that it's a Blu-Ray player also for that price?

Hell, if it works as it's suppose to that's a damn bargain for a BD player if you ask me, plus a gaming machine. Have you seen the going prices on a BD player?? They start out at about $1000!

Mike

[2002tahoe]

such hatred toward sony products?? SONY BLOWS!!!!! thats why i bought a 360.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html . check that site out and you will see how much better the 360 truly is.

[Demiurge]

such hatred toward sony products?? SONY BLOWS!!!!! thats why i bought a 360.
http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/617/617951p1.html . check that site out and you will see how much better the 360 truly is.

I hadn't read that before, but that's a great article. I don't think Sony blows, but I do think they're potentially committing business suicide at their price point. It's the long term that's important. Not that you can get a bunch of chuckle heads to be the first in line on launch day.

CONCLUSION
When you break down the numbers, Xbox 360 has provably more performance than PS3. Keep in mind that Sony has a track record of over promising and under delivering on technical performance. The truth is that both systems pack a lot of power for high definition games and entertainment.

However, hardware performance, while important, is only a third of the puzzle. Xbox 360 is a fusion of hardware, software and services. Without the software and services to power it, even the most powerful hardware becomes inconsequential. Xbox 360 games—by leveraging cutting-edge hardware, software, and services—will outperform the PlayStation 3.

[2002tahoe]

i believe that the only reason i would buy a PS3 would be to resell it on ebay and make triple the price back. otherwise i am sticking with my xbox 360 and playing gears of war and waiting it out for HALO 3. im so stoked for that!!!

[mutelight]

The PS3 eventually will be a great system as long as Sony tames their ego a little bit. I just worry about developer support since there is so much money needed to create a game. Once the system proves itself and there is a large enough user base you can expect to see some extremely stunning looking titles. The launch titles really do not appeal at all to me. To be honest, in my opinion, I think the 360 has better looking titles at its launch. (Almost undoubtedly due to it being so easy to program for.) The only problem is it might take a long time (1-2 years) if ever. :(

Their main priority right now should be creating easy to use effecient Devkits with lots of documentation because the Cell is one extremely powerful and equally complicated CPU.

[krabby5]

People were skeptical of the PS2 as well...remember...too hard for developers to program games

Time will tell...It better be DAMN good for $600 bucks though..

What caught my eye in that article was that there were 16000 different games for the PS1 and 2...wow

As for me, I don't have a HD tv yet, so the 360 or PS3 will have to wait anyways

[PhantomOG]

It's obvious Sony can't make enough to keep up with demand. It's obvious there are people out there willing to pay $1500 for it regardless of the fact that in 6 months time you will be able to easily buy it for less than half that price.

1+1=2... Why the hell doesn't Sony charge more??? They can always lower the price later. It would still be all over the media, maybe even more so because of the outrageous price. I just don't see the point in passing all those dollars to resellers.

[Demiurge]

It's obvious Sony can't make enough to keep up with demand. It's obvious there are people out there willing to pay $1500 for it regardless of the fact that in 6 months time you will be able to easily buy it for less than half that price.

1+1=2... Why the hell doesn't Sony charge more??? They can always lower the price later. It would still be all over the media, maybe even more so because of the outrageous price. I just don't see the point in passing all those dollars to resellers.

It would backfire on Sony, obviously. It should work in principle, but it wouldn't sit well with the consumer base. It's not to say the people paying $1,500 for one on eBay wouldn't buy them and Sony would pocket the cash, but they would be seen as gouging the market. It works for the eBay crowd because they have no reputation to uphold.

[PhantomOG]

In almost every other technology sector I can think of, brand new/cutting edge technology always cost a huge premium. I just don't really think ~6 months of a premium would hurt their market that much. They could in turn invest the extra profit into manufacturing and lower the over cost of the system quicker. Economically it just makes more sense to me.

EDIT: As long as their price still insured at or near sell-out inventories, their hope of flooding the market as quickly as possible is still achieved AND they make higher profits.

[PhantomOG]

For example HD-DVD / Blu-Ray. Almost the same business model. Both camps want their "side" to win out so more media is made and is accepted as the industry standard. I don't see any sub-$400 HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players on the market in an effort to "please" the market. They charge the premium and take it to the bank since they can't make enough to satisfy demand at a lower price. Then use the profits to turn around and lower manufacturing costs as quickly as possible.

[cheddar]

Nice using an article from E3:2005 to make a buying decision on a product. Nothing like year and a half old information to use to bash Sony.

Now that the war's on, why not just wait for the actual sales figures to come out. You can trash the console all you want, but if the first 2 million go into homes before Christmas and the next 2 million go into homes before summer, I think Sony will be doing just fine.

They're not in this to make money on the hardware, obviously, since it's well known that they're selling the hardware at a loss. If a quick profit was all they were after, they'd raise the price to keep it in line with ebay.

They've got their sights set on flooding the market with over 4 million HDMI 1.3 equipped, 1080p blu-ray players by the summer setting the stage for one helluva Christmas in 2007. That's their strategy. With demand this high for the first 2 million, they will probably get there.

Will it payoff the way they think? Who knows? But they'll easily sacrifice quick early profits to win the format war. Otherwise, there would be no need to limit production because they wanted to include a blu-ray player and they ran out of enough diodes. They'd just go the 360 route and stick a last generation dvd in there with a blu-ray add on for later.

I want to be clear, I'm just telling you Sony's strategy. I'm not saying that Sony is great, the 360 is bad. Sony and blu-ray will win, whatever...:rolleyes: Just telling you why they're selling so much expensive hardware for cheap and taking a chance on a strategy that made them come up short against demand.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

there were people camped outside of our Best Buy on Monday night...wow

[cheddar]

Hard to pass up a chance to make possibly $2000 in a week. :D

[PhantomOG]

Hard to pass up a chance to make possibly $2000 in a week. :D

obviosly not for sony.

I think its more of a media issue. For some reason the console market is one where the media decries any type of premium pricing for initial units.

[cheddar]

Well, and a very vocal videogame fan base that thinks they should get all their hardware for under $299 as well. ;) And like I said, Sony has bigger fish to fry...

[PhantomOG]

well regardless of a fan base that doesn't understand the principles of economics, if Sony can sell units as fast as they can make them for, let's say, $999, flooding the market won't happen any sooner by trying to sell them at $499. The same number of units are in the market, just the $$$ don't go to Sony, but to a bunch of video game store employees selling on ebay.

[cheddar]

I'd say that for the first 4 million, you're dead-on. They'll sell them even if they let the price float to the market price. But after that, they've got a marketing problem just like everyone else. Will the public remember the ps3 as that $1500 console or the $599 blu-ray player that also plays kick a$$ games?

[PhantomOG]

It could go either way. Imagine what a bargain people will think they are getting in 4 months when that $1500 console is now the low low price of $399!

[cheddar]

Well, I think it will take a lot longer for the retail price to drop to $399. But your point is good. If these machines keep going for $1500 thru Christmas, it may take some of the sting out of paying retail when the supply problems ease.

[tommyboy]

It's obvious Sony can't make enough to keep up with demand. It's obvious there are people out there willing to pay $1500 for it regardless of the fact that in 6 months time you will be able to easily buy it for less than half that price.



Thats for the true hardcore gamers.For the mainstream, I don't see people spending $600 for a system IMO. After the true hardcore fans get their system, the ps3 will have to drop their price to get more sales they want.

[Demiurge]

In almost every other technology sector I can think of, brand new/cutting edge technology always cost a huge premium. I just don't really think ~6 months of a premium would hurt their market that much. They could in turn invest the extra profit into manufacturing and lower the over cost of the system quicker. Economically it just makes more sense to me.

EDIT: As long as their price still insured at or near sell-out inventories, their hope of flooding the market as quickly as possible is still achieved AND they make higher profits.

You can't sell a unit for $1,500 when a nearly equally powerful system sells for $900 less (with HD-DVD) -- $1,100 less without.

This is why Sony is fighting an uphill battle as it is. Not to mention it's bad publicity no matter how much business sense you think it would make. Image is also important in the long term.

[cheddar]

Thats for the true hardcore gamers.For the mainstream, I don't see people spending $600 for a system IMO. After the true hardcore fans get their system, the ps3 will have to drop their price to get more sales they want.

How many of the 100 million ps1 owners and 110 million ps2 owners are hardcore and how many are mainstream? The true breakdown would be very telling for future sales...

[cheddar]

You can't sell a unit for $1,500 when a nearly equally powerful system sells for $900 less (with HD-DVD) -- $1,100 less without.


I agree with you that marketing wise it would be a questionable move. But the high demand on ebay proves that you can...;)

[Demiurge]

How many of the 100 million ps1 owners and 110 million ps2 owners are hardcore and how many are mainstream? The true breakdown would be very telling for future sales...

I owned PS1, and PS2 at launch, and I am not even 50/50 on a PS3 right now. The 360 offers way more options for gamers that the PS3 doesn't offer. The future of gaming is more important than just a 'kick ass console'. Of course that makes me a Microsoft Fan Boy despite only owning one of the two M-Soft console at current.

The true tale of the success of the PS3 will not be known for at least 2 years. The 360 has a year under it's belt at this juncture, and it's too soon to call on the success of that unit as well.

[zombie boy 2000]

I think I'll just bust out the Sega CD tonight and play some Night Trap with Dana Plato:p

[tommyboy]

How many of the 100 million ps1 owners and 110 million ps2 owners are hardcore and how many are mainstream? The true breakdown would be very telling for future sales...

yes, but probably 98-99% of them payed retail price. And a lot of the people that will wait in line for the ps3 are going to pay $600 for their system and keep it. So you can prolly cut that 400,000 at least in half. So, imo, at most, about 200,000 will pay more than retail(between 1500 and 3000).

And lets not forget the ps2 was half the price ps3 was at launch... If your saying that the $600 price tag is not going to hurt ps3 sales, you gotta be crazy;)

[cheddar]

I owned PS1, and PS2 at launch, and I am not even 50/50 on a PS3 right now. The 360 offers way more options for gamers that the PS3 doesn't offer. The future of gaming is more important than just a 'kick ass console'. Of course that makes me a Microsoft Fan Boy despite only owning one of the two M-Soft console at current.

The true tale of the success of the PS3 will not be known for at least 2 years. The 360 has a year under it's belt at this juncture, and it's too soon to call on the success of that unit as well.

I think we'll know by this time next year. MS's goal was to sell what, 6 million units by last summer? They'll have another window with this Christmas since it looks like the PS3 will be far under demand with their first 2 million. But if at this time next year, the ps3 is roughly equivalent to the 360 in units shipped or ahead, I think it's obvious the ps3 will be a success. If it's far behind, then you can hammer a nail in sony's coffin...;)

[cheddar]

yes, but probably 98-99% of them payed retail price. And a lot of the people that will wait in line for the ps3 are going to pay $600 for their system and keep it. So you can prolly cut that 400,000 at least in half. So, imo, at most, about 200,000 will pay more than retail(between 1500 and 3000).

And lets not forget the ps2 was half the price ps3 was at launch... If your saying that the $600 price tag is not going to hurt ps3 sales, you gotta be crazy;)

Never said it would reach 100 million. But it also doesn't have to and still be considered a success. I think that over the next few years (dropping the price as production efficiencies come into play), if they sell 10-20 million, they would have succeeded in flooding the market with blu-ray players.

Edit: And I read your math again, and I still don't get how you're so sure that there's only 200,000 hard core gamers out there. The point is that they can't meet demand, so the true demand at $599 is not known. At $1500-$2000 it could be about 400,000.

[krabby5]

Thats for the true hardcore gamers.For the mainstream, I don't see people spending $600 for a system IMO. After the true hardcore fans get their system, the ps3 will have to drop their price to get more sales they want.

I bet you are wrong...especially in japan

[krabby5]

I think I'll just bust out the Sega CD tonight and play some Night Trap with Dana Plato:p

yer the one who bought that?:D

like i should talk....I had the 32x add on for the saturn

[zombie boy 2000]

I bet you are wrong...especially in japan


Only if because the average gamer's age has increased along with their earning power...

that being said, $600 is outlandish.

[Demiurge]

I think we'll know by this time next year. MS's goal was to sell what, 6 million units by last summer? They'll have another window with this Christmas since it looks like the PS3 will be far under demand with their first 2 million. But if at this time next year, the ps3 is roughly equivalent to the 360 in units shipped or ahead, I think it's obvious the ps3 will be a success. If it's far behind, then you can hammer a nail in sony's coffin...;)

The success of a gaming system long term isn't in initial units sold, but rather in the titles the waring consoles can get the gaming companies to release on their platform. This plays a huge part in the long term. Trying to gauge success because knuckleheads will stand in line 4 days before launch to be the first to buy a system to use/ebay isn't an indicator of long term success. Neither side can claim victory for at least 2 business cycles.

Assuming that just because someone can presumably get $1,600 on eBay (I haven't seen any higher for JUST the console with bids, but that's beside the point) for a $600 for a system isn't an economic indicator for Sony. It's more of an indicator of the lack of patience on behlaf of gamers or parents who have no control over their brat kids.

When the pixie dust settles after Christmas people will have a choice to make between systems. That's where the real winners will start to be seen. Even then I stand by my remark that it'll take at least 2 business cycles by both companies before they'll know.

I predict Microsoft will do better. It's way too early to tell how Sony will fare. I think they'll be okay, but they took a huge leap on this system from a business perspective. Business is all about taking risks, and I applaud them for that.

[cheddar]

The PS3 will sell well in Japan. That's a given. It simply has no competition. They just don't buy xboxes in Japan, 360 or otherwise. The Wii may draw off sales, but if gamers want state-of-the-art, they'll have to pony up the cash.

[polkatese]

Last year when XBOX360 was released, I have to admit that I got caught up in the Hype, watching it went as high as $3000+ for the console, so by the time I shelled out $640 for one, I felt it was worthwhile, and the truth is, it was (had the system up and running around Christmas holiday time with the kids, priceless). This time around with PS3, I am completely content with 360, and COD3 is enough to keep me and the kids busy).

[cheddar]

The success of a gaming system long term isn't in initial units sold, but rather in the titles the waring consoles can get the gaming companies to release on their platform. This plays a huge part in the long term. Trying to gauge success because knuckleheads will stand in line 4 days before launch to be the first to buy a system to use/ebay isn't an indicator of long term success. Neither side can claim victory for at least 2 business cycles.

Assuming that just because someone can presumably get $1,600 on eBay (I haven't seen any higher for JUST the console with bids, but that's beside the point) for a $600 for a system isn't an economic indicator for Sony. It's more of an indicator of the lack of patience on behlaf of gamers or parents who have no control over their brat kids.

When the pixie dust settles after Christmas people will have a choice to make between systems. That's where the real winners will start to be seen. Even then I stand by my remark that it'll take at least 2 business cycles by both companies before they'll know.

I predict Microsoft will do better. It's way too early to tell how Sony will fare. I think they'll be okay, but they took a huge leap on this system from a business perspective. Business is all about taking risks, and I applaud them for that.


You and others didn't believe me when I said the first 2 million would fly off the shelves. Now you're saying that ebay prices don't mean much. *shrug* I've never said which format will win. I've always maintained that the Sony bashers on this forum have severely underestimated demand. Can't even give me credit for that, I guess. (I still don't own a playstation 2 by the way. But dismiss me as a fanboy if you must.) Believe what you want. We'll know for sure who's right by Christmas a year from now. If sales of the ps3 are equivalent or surpass the 360, will that be enough evidence for you? What mark are you waiting two business cycles for? If they sell an equivalent or larger amount at the higher pricepoint, why wouldn't that be enough evidence that the ps3 is doing well (unless the 360 sales are in the toilet, that is)...

[Demiurge]

You and others didn't believe me when I said the first 2 million would fly off the shelves. Now you're saying that ebay prices don't mean much. *shrug* I've never said which format will win. I've always maintained that the Sony bashers on this forum have severely underestimated demand. Can't even give me credit for that, I guess. (I still don't own a playstation by the way. But dismiss me as a fanboy if you must.) Believe what you want. We'll know for sure who's right by next Christmas. If sales of the ps3 are equivalent or surpass the 360, will that be enough evidence for you? What mark are you waiting two business cycles for? If they sell an equivalent or larger amount at the higher pricepoint, why wouldn't that be enough evidence that the ps3 is doing well (unless the 360 sales are in the toilet, that is)...

I never said they wouldn't fly off the shelves. I said that a $600 price tag is hefty, and I am skeptical of their long term sales potential. Please don't put words in my mouth. I consider myself a gamer, and I am not going to be buying one of these until at least late spring, if at all. I can afford it. If it's keeping me at home at launch it's keeping others home as well. Might not mean a hill of beans in terms of initial sales, but I'm not even trying to get one.

I also said that the price tag helps the XBox 360s sales numbers this Christmas. It's cheaper unless you buy the HD-DVD player, which not everyone wants. Not everyone wants Blu-Ray either, which is also waring with the HD-DVD players, but that's a completely different discussion. The notion that Microsoft's XBox 360 sales will be jumpstarted by the release of the PS3 during the Christmas season makes all the sense in the world from a business perspective. The bottom line here is that you cannot possibly claim success on launch numbers. I don't claim that's what you're trying to do, but you're way more optimistic about their potential success than anyone I have ever talked to.

The PS3 is running on hype right now and nothing more. This was the same story for the XBox 360 last fall. That's why 2 business cycles is important. Do you run a business? I'm not patronizing you with the question, but perhaps it would be easier to understand the idea inflationary numbers if you did. It seems like it's getting lost on you in this whole discussion.

The market needs to settle before you can start calling winners and losers. That's not going to happen until each system has gone through 2 business cycles.

...and yes whoever sells more units is obviously the winner. That was never in question. I think both units will be successful. I don't think Sony will hit the numbers they want, nor beat out Microsoft.

[cheddar]

I never said they wouldn't fly off the shelves. I said that a $600 price tag is hefty, and I am skeptical of their long term sales potential. Please don't put words in my mouth.


On May 11, 2006 I wrote:

With Halo 3 delayed until Spring 2007 there's only going to be one must have during Christmas for the console gamer (or their parents) with cash. Let's face it, Sony will see millions of PS3s flying off the shelves this holiday season...

To which you replied:

How do you figure? I think you're wrong. Sony at a higher price point will only help Microsoft, it's obvious. Especially if there are shortages.

Sorry about the misinterpretation, but I certainly wasn't trying to put words in your mouth. Seems like an honest mistake to me.

In any case, I see plenty of 360s lying around on store shelves. I've already acknowledged that it offers the 360 another opportunity to move boxes since they will not be able to meet ps3 demand this Christmas making it the one must have that everybody will brag about scoring if they can get one. And that millions of ps3s will fly off the shelves. Not sure what it was, then that you found so completely wrong in my original statement...;)

[scottvamp]

Cheddar, i support everything you say and have said it myself. Defending the PS3 to XBox fans on this forum has been rough. Though the coversation is interesting. I am sure glad my parents have no control over my brat self. Looking forward to owning console myself and seeing many Sony bashers proved wrong yet again............ I don't care if it was Sony or Zenith. Three generations of games and consoles that i have never had an issues with.

Recently the Atari CEO bashed the PS3. I have no ideal why??????
Just because the PS2 destoyed the Jaguar system. (and all hope for any Atari console) Noone would make games for thier own competition.

Hey if your happy with what ya got - then good. I just wish i had more time to PLAY!!!!!

[cheddar]

The bottom line here is that you cannot possibly claim success on launch numbers. I don't claim that's what you're trying to do, but you're way more optimistic about their potential success than anyone I have ever talked to.


I have never, ever said that the long term success of the ps3 is guaranteed in the high launch demand. I've simply stated that we will probably know the viability of the ps3 quite well a year from now. I've even gone out of my way to say that I am not predicting success. If you think that's some sort of flaming optimism, I guess that's your opinion...


The PS3 is running on hype right now and nothing more. This was the same story for the XBox 360 last fall. That's why 2 business cycles is important. Do you run a business? I'm not patronizing you with the question, but perhaps it would be easier to understand the idea inflationary numbers if you did. It seems like it's getting lost on you in this whole discussion.

The market needs to settle before you can start calling winners and losers. That's not going to happen until each system has gone through 2 business cycles.


We couldn't call the success of the 360 'cause it's had no competition for an entire year. So the only thing you can say about the 360 is what it means to MS's internal book keeping. But, yes, we'll know for sure in a year how the two formats are selling against each other. And if it looks like demand for the ps3 is healthy, or even moreso if it's better than the 360 by comparison, then it doesn't matter how hard the machine is to program for...developers will start rolling out the second generation games...

And yeah, the comment about owning a business was condescending. :(


...and yes whoever sells more units is obviously the winner. That was never in question. I think both units will be successful. I don't think Sony will hit the numbers they want, nor beat out Microsoft.

Great, we now have a metric to use to determine success. Will Sony at some point surpass the 360 in sales? Right now, I'm still in the "Who knows?" camp. But you're squarely in the, "Overpriced ps3 can't outsell the 360 'cause it's got a year lead and is equivalent in power so the market forces lean towards the 360." Okay, we'll see. :D

[PolkThug]

Recently the Atari CEO bashed the PS3. I have no ideal why??????
Just because the PS2 destoyed the Jaguar system. (and all hope for any Atari console) Noone would make games for thier own competition.

I'm guessing UT2007 will be only on 360??

[cheddar]

Cheddar, i support everything you say and have said it myself. Defending the PS3 to XBox fans on this forum has been rough. Though the coversation is interesting. I am sure glad my parents have no control over my brat self. Looking forward to owning console myself and seeing many Sony bashers proved wrong yet again............ I don't care if it was Sony or Zenith. Three generations of games and consoles that i have never had an issues with.

Recently the Atari CEO bashed the PS3. I have no ideal why??????
Just because the PS2 destoyed the Jaguar system. (and all hope for any Atari console) Noone would make games for thier own competition.

Hey if your happy with what ya got - then good. I just wish i had more time to PLAY!!!!!

I'm actually an xbox fan that loves Halo. But since Sony included HDMI 1.3 blu-ray in the ps3, I'll probably get it as soon as I can find it at retail. I guess I'm part of the demographic Sony was gunning for when they included blu-ray in the package. But I'll probably get the 360 too when Halo 3 comes out.

I totally agree that Sony bashing seems to be the thing to do these days. I find it ironic since M$ used to be the evil corporate empire in the 90s, go figure :rolleyes:. Yeah, if you're happy with what you got, then all that matters is finding the time to play. :cool:

[tommyboy]

I bet you are wrong...especially in japan

Thanks zombie for the defending my quote.:)

It feels like I'm the only one that sees this. I will never buy the ps3 not because I wasn't a big fan of the ps2, but because people like you will buy the system at whatever cost causing casual gamers like us to pony up more doe to play any new video games. I have yet to buy the xbox 360(even though I would like one) solely cause of the $399 price tag. While much cheaper than the ps3, I still think its a little much for a video game console. If the ps3 becomes very successful, we will soon have to pay near $1000 for the next generation consoles...(You guys think that number is too high, how did you feel when you first heard the ps3 was double the price of the ps2). Successfull video hardware has been priced between $199-299 since the mid 80s, I expect a little inflation, now all of the sudden, the price doubling just scares me a bit.

Well, appearantly there are people putting a shit load of money into their computers so 1000 isn't that much... I just hope you worked for that and your parents didn't give it to you.

[zombie boy 2000]

Well... $600 is ridiculous. And before we get into any "pot and kettle" arguments with references to the world of audio, let's remember that the video-game industry is not one that caters to a precious few, but rather a vastly mainstream industry comparable to both the movie and music industry.

I'm an avid gamer (as our most of my friends) and not a one of them are even considering the PS3 at it proposed pricepoint. Now consider that every single one of us consider the PS2 our favorite console hands-down, and it starts to become very clear that Sony is about to step off a cliff.

[cheddar]

Thanks zombie for the defending my quote.:)

It feels like I'm the only one that sees this. I will never buy the ps3 not because I wasn't a big fan of the ps2, but because people like you will buy the system at whatever cost causing casual gamers like us to pony up more doe to play any new video games. I have yet to buy the xbox 360(even though I would like one) solely cause of the $399 price tag. While much cheaper than the ps3, I still think its a little much for a video game console. If the ps3 becomes very successful, we will soon have to pay near $1000 for the next generation consoles...(You guys think that number is too high, how did you feel when you first heard the ps3 was double the price of the ps2). Successfull video hardware has been priced between $199-299 since the mid 80s, I expect a little inflation, now all of the sudden, the price doubling just scares me a bit.

Well, appearantly there are people putting a shit load of money into their computers so 1000 isn't that much... I just hope you worked for that and your parents didn't give it to you.

Again, I have to state that I'm not predicting the success of one format over the other. I'm going to probably buy both. So maybe they just pulled a fast one on this particular consumer. But from 1980 to 1999, the buying power of the US dollar dropped to less than half:

http://www.sunshinecable.com/~eisehan/V80-10en.htm

You have to add even more inflation to get to where the dollar is today...:(

Edit: Another article with some prices:

http://www.mhinvest.com/newsbi/inflation.html

1980 middle of the line ford - $3,500, cheap haircut $5, today $20,000 and $15-$20.

At 4% inflation (lower than the long term trend), prices double every 18.1 years...

[tommyboy]

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At 4% inflation (lower than the long term trend), prices double every 18.1 years...

Well, it looks like with video games now, it doubles every 5 years;)

I'm not sure, but has the electronics industry have that much inflation? Tvs, audio, etc. were pretty damn expensive back then weren't they(I haven't been in electronics long enough to know)?

[univera]

http://articles.news.aol.com/business/_a/ebay-restricts-sale-of-playstation-3/20061115135209990003?ncid=NWS00010000000001

[Demiurge]

http://articles.news.aol.com/business/_a/ebay-restricts-sale-of-playstation-3/20061115135209990003?ncid=NWS00010000000001

Ouch......

[scottvamp]

Ouch......
This started about 2 or 3 weeks ago when the pre-orders started. Before that they were taken off Ebay. This is one of the very reasons for the high prices that people are getting on ebay. Because of the critera that has to be met, including a photo of the pre-order reciept.
If Ebay did not do this than thier would be nothing but thousands and thousands scams posted.

On another note, EBgames personal are making alot of phone calls telling people that they are cancelling preorders. They pretty much have the units and it is not near the pre-order amounts...........
And EB is one of the only legit pre-orders PS3 merchantes.:eek:

[krabby5]

Thanks zombie for the defending my quote.:)

It feels like I'm the only one that sees this. I will never buy the ps3 not because I wasn't a big fan of the ps2, but because people like you will buy the system at whatever cost causing casual gamers like us to pony up more doe to play any new video games. I have yet to buy the xbox 360(even though I would like one) solely cause of the $399 price tag. While much cheaper than the ps3, I still think its a little much for a video game console. If the ps3 becomes very successful, we will soon have to pay near $1000 for the next generation consoles...(You guys think that number is too high, how did you feel when you first heard the ps3 was double the price of the ps2). Successfull video hardware has been priced between $199-299 since the mid 80s, I expect a little inflation, now all of the sudden, the price doubling just scares me a bit.

Well, appearantly there are people putting a shit load of money into their computers so 1000 isn't that much... I just hope you worked for that and your parents didn't give it to you.

LOL...people like me? Sorry life called and I won't even be in the country Friday. I won't be buying a PS3 anytime soon. I don't even have a HD tv.

$600 is a lot of money.

Sony will sell MILLIONS of PS3's

IF they have good games, they will DESTROY the 360 in sales...Japan doesnt buy MS

So dont blame me ....

[scottvamp]

We will see if you guys are right and no one wants the PS3 because $600 is insaneity. I live in a fairly small town. Will let you know if i can get my hands on one tomorrow night........:cool:

[cheddar]

Well bring a tent. I drove by BB, CC, and Frys on the way home and they all look like refuge camp sites right now :rolleyes:...except I think they won't let people pitch tents at Frys...

[tommyboy]

Well bring a tent. I drove by BB, CC, and Frys on the way home and they all look like refuge camp sites right now :rolleyes:...except I think they won't let people pitch tents at Frys...

same here, I couldn't believe it. You got to be crazy waiting two days before it launches. Its been raining all day and is suppose to all day tomorrow as well.And the best part is, its for a video game:confused: ... Now if it was to get a chance to go out with jessica alba, I might consider:p

[scottvamp]

Dam, same here also. A co-worker said that thier are tents and inflatable beds in front of Wal-Mart.:eek:
I heard they only have two or three consoles. And at my local EB, some fat smelly guy thats employed thier already horded thier few units...........

[PhantomOG]

Hope your HDTV does 720p...

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/746/746282p1.html

I happen to have a TV that does 1080i native, not 720. But I always thought my TV could accept 720p and it would upscale to 1080i. I wonder what the PS3 would do on my tv.

I'm not willing to pay $600 (or $1500) to find out :p

[Shizelbs]

Ah, this is great. Real fucking smart Sony. They had better hope they can fix this in some sort of firmware update.

You know what would be classic Sony? Release an update that finally would support upscaling to 1080i, but only on Sony TVs. Someone owes me a beer when this turns out to be true.

[scottvamp]

Everybody that does not have a tv/monitor that does not do a perfect 720p resolution, the PS3 will not function.:rolleyes:

[zombie boy 2000]

So let me get this straight....

standard run o' the mill, salt of the earth TV's are left on the sidelines when it comes to the PS3...

seriously?!?

will the average individual making this purchase (i.e. parents at Christmas), be aware of this?

and better yet, how many kids have HD tv's in their rooms (where many systems will be relegated)?

[Shizelbs]

No, it will work, it just won't be HD. Ah, $600 for standard definition. I can't wait for all the people to buy into their integrated Blu Ray, and think, boy, HD DVD sure looks a lot better than this crap.

[PolkThug]

IGN: You're in luck, compadre. The PS3 will display a game at whatever resolution you specify. Good thing, too, since we know it's a question many IGN readers shared.

[scottvamp]

This just in:
PS3's are
*Exploding upon starting up
*Blu-Ray is not really a HD format (it actually destroys all HD tv's making them unable to play any HD material)
*Mind controling humans to pay extreme prices for worthless 11lb consoles and thereby making SONY "The New World Order"



and much more to come




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[zombie boy 2000]

I think there have also been reports of rampant puppy slayings and monkey torture in the Midwest.

[tommyboy]

What the hell is this, some playstation 3 conspiracy theory?

It either does or doesn't... whats the real answer?

[PhantomOG]

I'm sorry, I didn't know we weren't supposed to talk about reported problems with the PS3 in the "PS3 Problems" thread.

I'm terribly sorry if the link to the IGN article has somehow damaged your ego. The PS3 is the be all, end all technological advancement of all time. It is perfect in every sense of the word, and anyone who dares utter otherwise is just a Sony basher/hater.

Please return to your regularly programmed PS3 circlejerk/love fest.

[scottvamp]

On the same website, there is about a 10 minute video preview of the PS3 from retail box to setup. It auto defaults at 480, so that it will work on any tv. Then between the tv and the PS3 you can pick whatever resolution you want.
My big disapointment is that is does not upconvert low res material to high res.


Anyway,



at my local K-Mart thier was an unconfirmed report on the only two PS3's recieved that they turned into a jello jelly type substance. The new gaming device simply started ozzing from the corners of the box.

Just in,


there is a high interest in the PS3 in its liquid form. New prices will soon follow.....

[scottvamp]

All chances to get the console in my little town are shot down. I was gonna have my younger brother wait in line tonight like he did for his X-360. To bad i am about 18 hours to late.:eek:

This just in:
PS3 does not have "surround sound", instead is an unidentified prehistoric mono sound. An UPMS you say, this confirms why only sound will come from one speaker and will not work on any tv supporting "stereo" going back to the 80's.

[Refefer]

This just in:
PS3's are
*Exploding upon starting up
*Blu-Ray is not really an HD format (it actually destroys all HD tv's making them unable to play any HD material)
*Mind controling humans to pay extreme prices for worthless 11lb consoles and thereby making SONY "The New World Order"



and much more to come




*********************STAYTUNED***************

And here I thought it was only their batteries ;)

[ledhed]

Actually, the PS3 is a robot that destroys all non-Sony equipment in your house by high-frequency Electromagnetic forces.

This just in: Tubes are safe.

And another advancement in the story, all non Sony media will be destroyed too. - Hope you backed all your CDs up on MiniDisk or ATRAC

[scottvamp]

Breaking News:
The PS3 consumes so much power that they can create small vortexs. Which can suck up small animals. Nothing larger than a full size gerbil at best.

How will you know of this vortex is about to rain down upon your PS3, you ask?????
*The power cord will glow red hot and fry like a fast fuse on a firecracker.
*The unit will start to levitate and spin out of control. Consuming itself, much like the car in back to the future.

Soon after, the vortex appears. At that point, shut down all power to the house and hide your favorite hamster. No telling what an unstable tear in the vortex will do to the small rodents.

Much more to come........

[scottvamp]

Who the hell wants a PS3!!!!!!:D

The things i could do with a Wii are endless!http://www.gamespot.com/users/Lt_Roy_Mustang/video_player?id=KiFgxDWv5bgJuDTa

[bobman1235]

You guys big fans of bold or what? :)

[avelanchefan]

Okay my take is this. If you want Blu-Ray then the ps3 is your system of choice. If Blu-Ray means nothing to you, then go with the 360. All gaming titles that the 360 has the ps3 will have.
Their are a select few titles that will be for that console only....like Socom (360 has GRAW...woopee), Halo (ps3 I'm sure will have killzone...yeah!), Gran Turismo...(360 has Forza...ohhh boy!) Otherwise everything else will be the same.
Who cares who is right or wrong, just pick a system...get both, and freaking go with it. Me personally I went 360, I already modded it, and I am getting my gaming on. Thats all I really care about.
And look at the ps3 game releases...Oblivion, Blazing Angels, Full Auto 2, Half Life 2 (this was an original Xbox release...how much better will this be?), FEAR, Godfather, College Hoops 2k7, and a few I never heard of (Lair, Heavenly Sword, and SingStar). So why would someone want a ps3 if they own a 360? Blu-Ray, that would be the only justifiable answer. Those titles I just mentioned have been in 360 owners hands for months now...if not a year (Like Blazing angels).

EDIT: Sony needs something like Gears of War, to really make it a must own system.

[samiam]

ah, back to the task at hand....


I logged into Costco.com this morning....site kept crashing. I then spied the ps3 icon on the front page! Woohoo, I am already logged in! Woah no way! I was able to add it to my cart!

Damn....

Time passes.....


Can't checkout!

Lame...


Wanted to sell on Ebay.....


Stupid #$@% Costco server!


ARrrrrrg!


lololol

[bobman1235]

Can't checkout!

Lame...


Wanted to sell on Ebay.....


Stupid #$@% Costco server!


ARrrrrrg!

Server or no server... I SERIOUSLY doubt they had any PS3s available on their website to begin with. Probably just posted the listing on there as a bait and switch - get you to the site with the hope of buying that, and when you realize it's sold out, you shop around for other things.

lololol

I always wondered, does this mean "laughing out loud out loud out loud out loud"? Or is it like a stutter? "laughing out laughing out laughing out laughing out loud"?

[PhantomOG]

I "seriously" doubt Costco would need or want to stoop to "bait and switch" tactics. You gotta buy a membership to even shop there.

[samiam]

Server or no server... I SERIOUSLY doubt they had any PS3s available on their website to begin with. Probably just posted the listing on there as a bait and switch - get you to the site with the hope of buying that, and when you realize it's sold out, you shop around for other things.



I always wondered, does this mean "laughing out loud out loud out loud out loud"? Or is it like a stutter? "laughing out laughing out laughing out laughing out loud"?
It's a stutter. I mean a sts st s t st s t s t t s t t stutter.

Yes, Costco had them, but they were released by area on their website by time zone.

[samiam]

I "seriously" doubt Costco would need or want to stoop to "bait and switch" tactics. You gotta buy a membership to even shop there.
Yea, no sh_t. Bait and switch, by a company that big?

[PhantomOG]

I got the webpage loaded, trying to add to cart but I get a page load error. They must be getting hammered.

[samiam]

lololololololololololololololololololololol