"Bi-Wiring" Your Powered Towers: The Definitive Reference

[Aaron]

Fact:
If a speaker can be bi-wired, it can also, by definition, be bi-amped. Since the Polk powered towers cannot be bi-amped, they therefore cannot be bi-wired either.

The Confusion
Polk's powered towers have two sets of binding posts which would seem to indicate that they can be bi-wired and bi-amped. However, this is not the case. The top set of binding posts feeds the midrange and tweeter while the lower set of binding posts feeds the speaker-level input of the built-in subwoofer amplifier.

Hook-Up Methods
1. speaker-level connection to either set of terminals with the binding post jumper in place

2. speaker-level connection to the top set of terminals with a line-level connection (RCA) from the "sub out" of the receiver/preamp to the sub in on the speakers

3. speaker-level connection to the top set of terminals with a line-level connection (RCA) from the left and right channel preouts of the receiver/preamp to the sub in on the speakers

The "Bi-Wire" Hook-Up Method
This is a variation of hook-up method 1 from above and is connected in the same way that you would bi-wire a speaker such as the RTi70. Two sets of speaker wires are run from the same set of terminals on the receiver/amp to the two separate sets of terminals on the speaker with the jumper plate removed.

While this is not bi-wiring by definition, it does accomplish a similar thing: it separates the midrange and tweeter signal from the subwoofer (bass) signal. This is why there is confusion over the term that is used to describe this hook-up method. I think that a new term needs to be coined for this hook-up method such as "powered tower bi-wiring."

To speculate a bit, I doubt that this hook-up method provides as much benefit as it does on a regular bi-wirable speaker for two reasons:

1. Even when using hook-up method 1, the amount of bass energy present in the speaker wire and crossover should be significantly less than in a passive speaker, because the subwoofer amplifier is only using the signal and then amplifying the driver itself (rather than using your receiver/amp's power to drive the subwoofer). I could be on this point, though.

2. In a passive speaker like the RTi70, the top posts would not see as low of a frequency as the powered towers do. Vice versa, the bottom terminals on the passive speaker would see a higher frequency than the powered tower. For example, the RT1000i crosses over between the midrange and subwoofer at 90Hz. Therefore, the top posts would see 90-20,000Hz. while the bottom posts would see 20-90Hz. In a passive speaker such as the RTi70, I would guess that the bottom posts would see a greater frequency range such as 20-200Hz. What this does is create a greater separation of the signal. More bass energy is removed from the midrange and tweeter signal (top terminals) and put with the bass signal (lower terminals). This should help to clean up the midrange and tweeter signal a bit more.

When you consider this, especially when coupled with point 1 above, it would seem that powered towers do not benefit as much from this hook-up method as do passive speakers. Regardless, this is just my theory, and I have no tested it.


Optimal Hook-up Method
The optimal hook-up method for powered towers is speaker-level connections. Specifically, I feel that there is some additional benefit to the "powered tower bi-wire" hook-up method. I can only see disadvantages to using the line-level connections unless you have a really old Pro-Logic system. I see two problems with line-level connections:

1. It would seem like this method would create some phasing (timing) problems between the midrange/tweeter signal and the subwoofer signal since you're sending them through different signal paths both in the receiver and the speaker. Also, you're likely sending them through different wire lengths as well.

2. This is probably the more important one. If you use line-level connections, the sonic signature (flavor of sound, if you will) will be different, because it has not been influenced (colored) by the amplifier. If speaker-level outputs are used, the signal that the subwoofer amplifier sees is going to have the same sonic signature as the rest of the signal seen by the midrange and tweeter. Still, the subwoofer amplifier will have a different sonic signature than the receiver, but this method will help to minimize the problem.

The only downside I see to speaker level connections for the powered tower subwoofer is that they will not be as clean as line-level signal. This is because the receiver has introduced its distortion/uncleanness into the signal. Overall I still feel this is the optimal hook-up method.

Conclusion
I hope you all found this discertation helpful, informative, and even entertaining.

Aaron

[HBombToo]

Excellent!

[RuSsMaN]

Bravo!

[del44]

My RT2000P also agrees

[nascarmann]

del44

Sure have hauled a lot of Jack Daniels bottles out of your town....

[mantis]

Good post Aaron,
I se you did some homework on the subject.I really would like to sell you my rt1000p's so you can hear the differences between hookups.It's fun to hear the difference.

You points on the line level are very correct even without hearing it yourself.The line level from left and right preouts did sound poor, the worse out of all the different ways to wire them.
I was shocked(and clear)on what it did.It made sence looking at it from a sonic signature,but from clarity standpoint from the mids and highs,it simply didn't blend it anymore.

To a degree I understand why it does what it does.
I guess for know we can call it MANTIS WIRING untill someone develops a completely Correct Term for wiring powered towers in speaker level,Bi wiring.

Again Good Post,
Dan

[RuSsMaN]

So can we agree, the rt1000's cannot be bi-wired?

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

Not fully buddy,In my Opnion they still are due to the seperation and better sound quality.All your points are noted and somewhat agreed.

[scottvamp]

Any speaker can be bi-wired. Your simply running to sets of wires from a single amp source (1 channel) to a single speaker. Bi-amp is different. Two sets of binding post (usually seperating tweet-mid-bass)with speaker wire coming from two different amp channels. I have the owners manual for the rt1000p's and it says nothing about biamping. CS400 is a bi-ampable speaker. So round and round it goes.;)

[RuSsMaN]

Any speaker? Due to sound seperation and quality?

You guys blow me away, idiot savants, every last one of ya!!! ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[Aaron]

You guys blow me away, idiot savants, every last one of ya!!!
Agreed.

Aaron

[Ron-P]

Excellent post Aaron.


Peace Out~:D

[TroyD]

ahhhhhhhh......nope.

In order to Biwire or biamp each pair of binding posts MUST correspond to a crossover point. You can either do it with separate wires from the same amp (biwire) single set of wires from two different amps (biamp) OR a single set of wires from one amp to one set of posts with a jumper installed between the posts. To paraphrase Ken Swauger, if there isn't power to one set of binding posts (either biamp,biwire or jumpers) you will get no sound out of that part with no signal flowing in to the crossover.

In the case of the RT1000, the top binding post goes to the tweet and the midbass driver (you can't separate them) and the other is a high level input for the powered sub.

I don't get what is so difficult to understand about this. I'm barely literate and it makes sense to me. Geeze, it's not like we are arguing what sounds better, Carver or Adcom or trying to split the atom. I mean this is pretty straightforward stuff here.

BDT

[nascarmann]

Any speaker can be bi-wired

How would I do this with my 1C's? If this is true....I could bi-amp them also....how can I do this?:confused:

[scottvamp]

Sorry nascarmann, I should have not said it like that. This is the basic fundamental i looked up.

How Bi-wiring Works
Bi-wiring is accomplished via separate pairs of terminals on the loudspeaker system, typically one pair for the woofer, and one pair for the tweeter or midrange and tweeter. They are completely separated electrically from one another. The normal function of a loudspeaker crossover is to guide the proper frequency's to the proper driver. Lows to the woofer, and highs to the tweeter. This is done in part for protection from the division of labor that has occured with two disparate speakers: tweeters will be damaged or destroyed if exposed to low frequency's and woofers just heat up when exposed to the higher frequency's, as they are too massive to respond at all. The other function that a crossover provides is in allowing the two speakers to blend together, to mesh with one another to become a single apparent sound source. They can also provide some passive EQ of the drive units, as long as there is excess energy to throw away.
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[scottvamp]

Simple teminalgy.

What is Bi-Wiring ?
Bi-Wiring is the use of two pairs of cables between each amplifier channel and the associated loudspeaker.
The crossover in a "Bi-Wireable" speaker has two separate earth and or signal paths.
By keeping these paths separate all the way back to the amplifier retrieval of fine detail can be improved.

Simply remove the links connecting both positive and negative binding posts together, and run two identical lengths of cable to each speaker from the amplifier output terminals.
Special "Bi-Wire" cable is available for a tidier installation.





What Is Bi-Amping?
Bi-Amping is similar in principle to Bi-Wiring but uses a separate amplifier for each set of terminals.
This can give even greater benefits than Bi-Wiring as the smearing of the delicate higher frequency information due to masking from the bass information can be significantly reduced. It is important that the amplifiers used are of the same type, or have matched gains.

Speakers that can be "Bi-Wired" can generally be "Bi-Amped" as the crossover is essentially two or more separate circuits isolated from one another (when the links are removed).





:)

[TroyD]

Right, but the point your missing is that on the RT1000, THERE ISN'T A CROSSOVER POINT ASSOCIATED TO THE BOTTOM BINDING POST, I understand the confusion but it just ain't so. It is a high level input to the powered sub portion of the speaker.

I'm whipped man, I can't even think about this anymore. It's time to have a beer.

BDT

[mantis]

I can see we are all learning about bi wiring and bi amping.

Lets play nice this time around ok?
No need for name calling.Post what you think bi wiring is and exactly why you can't bi wire some speakers.

Also don't quote other people as why you can't do this.

Everyone that posted now and in the past says powered towers can't be bi wired,yes they can.
Now if you say no they can't explain what running a bi wire to a pair of powered towers is called.
This could be the post to end it.
I'm just gonna hang around and see what happens.
Dan

[OrangeToupee]

Also, people who have posted previously their complete out and out fabrications of having wives, children, are building brand new homes with subfloors, home theaters, that they have magic elves for line conditioners, and benevolent wizards supplying current for their wood veneered Audience 82's ... please explain why you do it.

[scottvamp]

TroyD,
THERE ISN'T A CROSSOVER POINT ASSOCIATED TO THE BOTTOM BINDING POST
Hey I totally understand the rt1000's are NOT bi-wireable and you are right. That is why there is no bridge between the binding post which will usually indecate a bi-wireable speaker. The simple fact is that each set of binding post HAVE to have a seperate crossover within the speaker. I still believe that the CS400 has this setup. I got it---------right?;)

[mantis]

NO man,
the rt1000p's and I's come with a bridge from the factory.You need to remove it in order to use line level to the line level in or run a seperate pair to the lower binging posts.Same as the cs400 center.

[Aaron]

I can see we are all learning about bi wiring and bi amping.
Obviously not or we wouldn't be having this discussion. Re-read my dissertation.

Post what you think bi wiring is and exactly why you can't bi wire some speakers.
Unlike speaker preference, this is not an opinion-based question. There is, in fact, only one correct answer to this question. Re-read my dissertation.

Everyone that posted now and in the past says powered towers can't be bi wired,yes they can.
No they can't. Re-read my dissertation.

Mantis,
I know you're not this retarded. I think you're just being stubborn about the term usage. For some reason you just can't let go of the term "bi-wire." If you honestly think that what you are doing is bi-wiring, then let's see some explanation on your part that can refute what I've stated.

Aaron

[Aaron]

In my Opnion they still are due to the seperation and better sound quality.
So, following your logic, if I were to remove the jumper and connect speaker wire to the top set of terminals and use the an RCA line-level connection for the sub, that would be bi-wiring? There's separation between the signals! Pfft, yeah right that's bi-wiring!

Aaron

[nascarmann]

I think after all these beers.......I'm going to throw up.....

[scottvamp]

the rt1000p's and I's come with a bridge from the factory.You need to remove it in order to use line level to the line level in or run a seperate pair to the lower binging posts.Same as the cs400 center.
The metal straps in the rt1000's have nothing to do with bi-anything - they have to do with how you are running the sub. If your are using any type of rca jack to the input for the sub then u take the bridges out. If you are NOT running any type of rca jack to the speakers sub input then u leave the bridge in.
The cs400 has nothing to do with that. I have both speakers and manuals. CS400 IS bi-wire and bi-ampable. :cool:

[mantis]

Look,
Here's my end to this.
I like what I have done to my speakers.I noticed a big sound improvement over all other wire configurations.The "BI WIRE" configuration weather any of you think it's right or not,I LIKE THE WAY IT SOUNDS.
CALL IT ANYTHING YOU WANT!!!!!!
I have had 3 different Bi Wire Cables connected to my speakers and they seem to get the job done.
Monstercable MCX-bi wire
Monstercable M1.4s Bi wire
Monstercable Custom install 14x4 I made myself with Banana ends and shrinkwrap.

To all you powered tower owners,
This is the best way I feel to wire these speakers.I will stop using the term BI WIRE and call it MANTIS WIRING untill someone other then myself gives it a proper term.

When I buy Transparent speaker wires(which I'm waiting to untill I pick out my new speakers and measure the length I need).This topic will be dead to me as I won't own them for much longer,Nor will I ever own powered towers again.

So give it a name and I'll be sadisfied with that.

A straight point..........

Can Polk's powered towers be bi wired physically????
ANSWER.....Yes they can!!!!!

Is this Ture BI WIRING???
ANSWER.....In my opnion yes it is only because of sound improvement,and the fact the wiring is EXACTLY the same.You can use PREMADE BI WIRE cables.

What exactly have you done here?
ANSWER....Wired the mids and highs with THERE OWN RUN of speaker cable,and run the sub in SPEAKER LEVEL.

Have you tried all other possible wiring configurations???
ANSWER...Yes I have.

Can these speaker be bi amped??
Answer...YES THEY CAN.

Do you think this is benificial?
ANSWER...No, as I feel your wasting the 2nd amp.I could go into great detail why I wouldn't bi amp this speaker externally.
In short it allready has a 2nd amp so it is already BI AMPED.Difference being the 2nd amp is built in.

I still don't understand why you can't Bi amp this speaker?
ANSWER...well you can but the only thing i could possibly see in benifit in doing this is to capture the sonic signature from the second external amp.

What do you mean by sonic signature??
ANSWER.....in short the way the output drives a speaker.Dynamic range changes from amp to amp with the same driving line level signal from a given preamp.This is a complete topic that should be researched,then experienced.

You you know exactly how this speaker is internally?
ANSWER...yes there is one crossover in the sealed mid and high section of the cabnet.Only one set of binding posts wired to it.Then there is another crossover for the sub section,a plate amp and one set of binding posts and a line level in to drive the sub section.

How do you know this?
ANSWER...at one point I ordered the newer crossover and tweeter from the rt1000i's as I own the rt1000p's.I felt that the rt1000i's had a better mid and high range balance.So I bought the new crossover and Tweeter and Installed them into my speakers.Instead of buying new speakers,as the rest of the speaker is the same,except the color of the mid range driver,and they took away the velvin sound material from the front then added a bottom grill..I asked Polk about the 6 1/2 midbass driver they told me that the driver is exactly the same except the color of the cone.The 5 1/4 driver was modified from the last year model.
After 50 hours or so I noticed a great deal of sound quality improvement over the older tweeters and crossover.I was happy with the upgrade.

Now look......thats it for the powered thing.

[mantis]

I thought about it some more and really it comes down to sound quality.NO matter how you get there it's what is important in the end.
Why would you bi wire any speaker?for the looks?Because you can?Because they said so?

I say NO to all of the above.....it's sound quality man ,no more no less.

[RuSsMaN]

Thank you ladies and gentlemen, this logic-free post has been brought to you by......

[johnnyamerika]

Nothing's changed since I've been gone, huh....

[HBombToo]

should we start a Pole on this just to quantify the opinions?

I would suggest a 2 part yes or no answer to the questions:

Can Power Towers be Bi-Wired? "No additional amp just 4 wires"
Can Power Towers be Bi-Amped? "4 wires and 2 amps."

This will remove any confusion regarding the interpretation of the definition regarding Bi-Wire.

Who wants to take the leed?

[RuSsMaN]

Not me, I say let the short-bus mofo's use their terminology, and the rest of us will have the 'right' terminology.

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

I said my peace 500x over about this.......I say hook them up anyway you want.

[Devildog]

Hi everyone,
Been gone a couple of months but just reading this thread makes me feel a little like when "Flounder" was pledging in Animal House and he looked at the table of cigar smoking upperclassmen and said "You guys playin' poker?" Makes me sort of wish there was an annual National Polk Convention where we could all get together in person and talk about bi-wiring and stuff. Well, back to my meds. Rick

[TroyD]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH

Animal House, GREAT reference!

No, it's nothing like that. Goodness, it's not like we are designing rocket ships or trying to split the atom or anything. I think folks are just trying to make it more complicated than it really is.

BDT

[mantis]

Then why so many posts

[RuSsMaN]

Because your skull is as thick as nuclear bunker man (on this topic, if not many others), jesus h christ.....

-R

[cgravil]

Originally posted by johnnyamerika
Nothing's changed since I've been gone, huh....

er um yeah what he said.


Clay,
Driver of the short bus
but gosh darned it it's got Tinted windows and lot's of thump supplied by polk/momo audio.

[HUNTER]

I can't sit still without making a comment.
Mantis is correct you can biwire the Polk powered tower, I know because I have done it with my rt3000ps.

Mantis,
Russman is an idiot that has no positive or informative information. His sole purpose is to make smartass comments.

[RuSsMaN]

Oh, go back to your playdoh Hunter, have you called Polk Audio and straight up asked them? I have. You CAN bi-wire the 3000's if so desired, you CANNOT bi-wire the 1000, or 2000 model. Care to read the manual? Perhaps that would be *too* simple for you to grasp.

Such bitterness, I must have really hurt your delicate, super-sensitive, that-time-of-the-month feelings in the past....so sorry....

Idiot? Was it you or me that thought the RT800 had a non-functioning power port? I can pull some past posts, if you'd like to see more 'idocracies'. The list is long and distinguished, just let me know cocheese.

Cheers Hunter's biggest fan,
Russ

PS:
Made any custom injection molded baffles recently? ;)

[nascarmann]

Made any custom injection molded baffles recently?

Do what....:confused:

[Aaron]

You CAN bi-wire the 3000's if so desired, you CANNOT bi-wire the 1000, or 2000 model.
Hunter, what Russ says is correct.

Aaron

[mantis]

Hunter,
thats cool dude.Just wire your speakers anyway you want,if it sounds better then go with it....I rest on this.

GEE EVERYONE SAYS I CAN'T LET THIS SUBJECT GO.......I HAVE BUT SEEMS LIKE OTHERS CAN'T

[TroyD]

OK, Hunter....Aaron, Russ, myself and Ken Swauger have all laid out in different places how biwiring works and why you can't biwire the RT1000's and RT2000's.

So, why don't you enlighten us on exactly why you CAN biwire them (and just because there are two sets of binding post to plug them into is NOT the right answer)

Jeezus, I'm about as ingnorant and non-technical as you can get but the theory here isn't very hard to grasp. All you need is a BASIC understanding of how a crossover works and it is pretty simple.

BDT

[mantis]

This post just won't go away........bi wiring...........who cares.
Powered Towers????Everyone who is arguing about you can't even do it........I just wonder only one thing??????Now a given on your side of the fence on this one..have any one of you actually heard the powered towers wired one way compared to the other ways?
It really doesn't matter to me anymore but for those still trying to find the best way and advice on how to wire them for best performance might want a clear understanding on this ever going subject.
I have nothing more to say about powered towers.....they are what they are.......past experience for me.......................

[RuSsMaN]

Well, hearing it really has nothing to do with it. So a speaker level connection sounded better, ok, thats GREAT. They are not bi-wired.

A clear understanding for other people? How is that going to happen when we have a 'professional' that can't grasp this simple topic?

I'm sick of re-hashing this one also, but if you (anyone) plays the bullshit card, you're gonna get called on it.

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

If your sick of it dude,
STOP POSTING ABOUT IT........you don't own them.....why do you care so much........

Why is it you always have to throw my job in my face......I completely understand what /why /how/how to build my own/ bi wiring is.......I could care less about this topic anymore.......I moved on......but instead of bashing /lashing out all the time.....give some pointers on what you think or have experiened with the powered towers......there are many people in here who have them.
RUSS YOU CAN CALL IT ANYTHING YOU WANT......if it's not TRUE BIWIRNING who cares..........if it works.............

[mantis]

Pissed me off man,
LOOK FOR THE EFFIN VERY LAST TIME.....................YOU CAN RUN 2 PAIRS OF SPEAKER WIRES FROM A SINGLE AMP TO SEND SPEAKER LEVEL SIGNAL TO THE POWERED TOWERS.

YOU CAN GO BUY A BI WIRE SET OF SPEAKER WIRES AND USE THEM FOR CLEAN INSTALL AND FOR BETTER SOUND.......

Russ have you done this experience BOY.....NO...then shut your mouth on this and let it go.
YES I'M A PROFESSIONAL....ARE YOU JEALOUS?????
LEAVE ME ALONE ABOUT IT.

[mantis]

These post are intended for Russman alone...no offence to anyone else on this forum..including you TroyD.

Russ..........Got experience in powered towers to share with all of us uneducated people????

[Aaron]

This post just won't go away........bi wiring...........who cares.
STOP POSTING ABOUT IT........you don't own them.....why do you care so much........
The point is that we're trying to fight ignorance here. Ensuring that the information posted on this forum is accurate is very important. By saying that you can bi-wire the RT1000 and RT2000 you are spreading inaccurate information and confussing other members.

Aaron

[RuSsMaN]

Agreed Aaron.

It's mis-information Dan. You even admitted to me on aim that they were not bi-wired, by definition of the term. Yes, yes yes, you can run 2 wires to the speaker, yes yes yes, you can even use a pre-designed 'bi-wire' cable, but the speakers themselves CANNOT be bi-wired.

Hey, you remind us of your professional status constantly, I'm just calling you what you seem to want to be called. Dude, this ain't personal, fact is a fact in this case.

No I haven't owned (only demoed) any of the Polk powered tower models, and I never argued that the results you heard using a speaker (high) level connection sounded better. I can however read, at least at a 6th grade level, which I believe the manuals are written at. There are also pretty pictures to look at, if one is so inclined.

If I was to make a comment, on say, a video connection, that was TOTALLY incorrect, not something that is an opinion, but a fact. Would you not jump in and try to set the record straight every single time? Would it not bother you that I was giving incorrect information, or using an incorrect term, in giving advice to others? As passionate as you are, I know you would jump in, and argue the FACTS.

That's all thats being done here Dan, with a little added spice on occasion.....

Cheers,
Russ

[nascarmann]

I can however read, at least at a 6th grade level, which I believe the manuals are written at. There are also pretty pictures to look at, if one is so inclined.

Funny stuff brotha.....:lol:

[HUNTER]

The definition of "Bi" refers to two, or Russmans sexuality. Mantis is using two pair of wires for his rt1000s one set to the amp and one set to the tweet and mid, not a true bi-wire but bi-wiring none the less.

Hey Nascarman,
The injection molds for the ringdome mounts work fine, thank you very much, check out the pictures.

Russman,
Since you have no social life, go ahead post my statement about the rt800is and you and others will see that I did not state that the ports were non-fuctional but that I had my doubts and once I pulled the driver I found that the dampning material had fallin down over the port tube reducing the air flow from the speaker I was testing.

[nascarmann]

The injection molds for the ringdome mounts work fine, thank you very much, check out the pictures.

Don't know why you are "thank you very much'ing me".....I didn't know what the muck that meant.....WHAT MUCKING PICTURES

THANK YOU VERY MUCH :rolleyes:

[RuSsMaN]

Bi sexual? No social life? Well chew on this, I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me, and sticks to you!!

Thanks for backing me on my point on your last post, muchas gracias. Gosh, I can picture you steaming away, mad as hell, sitting at your pc, just as red as a mater'. It's interesting how I can pull your strings, and how much it bothers you....

Stick around this time Hunter, I don't want the phrase " He hunter'd it up good" to loose its meaning.

Cheers,
Russ

[HBombToo]

You handled that exceptionally well Russman!

Damn, now were calling each other names!

I better be carefull

[RuSsMaN]

I know, thank you, thank you very much, I feel every bit of 4 years old right now.....

Anyone up for a game of 4-square or Tether-ball?

Cheers,
Russ (the bi-sexual, anti-social, smartass idiot)

[HBombToo]

I'll bring the Beer, start with a caig and a bottle of Jack!

[TroyD]

OK, so, lemme just get the straight.......

It's ok to call running a biwire cable to RT1000's (or 2000's) biwiring........but it's not OK to call a TV/VCR and a 2ch rig a Home Theater.

Glad I got that cleared up....

You can PAY for stuff this good I tell ya.

BDT

[HUNTER]

Hey Russman,
I would appreciate it if you would use my name as much as possible, and use it in the most sarcastic tone as possible. The more you speak the more people will relize how simple you really are.

Nascarman,
Pardon me if I misinterpeted your questions about the injection molding for the mounting bezzels on the ring domes; to find pictures do a search on a thread by me called " Building the ultimate polk based center channel speaker.

For the rest,
I think some of use are getting tired of being slammed for everything we say whether it be write or wrong. If you don't agree with someone elses advice then don't use it! If you have information to the contrary then state it! If you fill the need to blast someone then look in the mirror because there is the guy who probably needs it the most.

[RuSsMaN]

Use? Write or wrong? tee hee

Ok, maybe a little slam was involved here, sure, but it was a 2-way street all the way. Am I wrong with this post? Have I stated anything incorrect? I thought you agreed with me, more or less, just a couple posts back.....

I'm sure some hate me, some love me, but I tell it like I see it. Good ole' 1st amendment rights eh... if you don't like it, guess what, you don't have to read it.....

I guess maybe some people (like myself) pour on the heat a little too much, but I also think some people take themselves WAY too seriously, and have their sensitivity turned up a bit..... Perhaps that combo together is volatile, eh?

But like I said before, if you play the BS card, and post some ignorant shit, you are going to get called on it.....whether it's me or not.....(and I would expect the same from you).

Tell ya what, I'll try to post civil, and to the point, on your posts, with my opinion, or thoughts only. How'd that be? Regardless of whether you like me, love me, want to kick me in the ballbag, I really wouldn't want it to keep you from enjoying this fine forum....

Basically, I'll try to kick it down a couple notches on your posts, fair enough? Now quit lurking, and get to posting. ;)

Like a fat girl in a dodgeball game, I'm out.....time to get my drink on....

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

Russman and Troyd..and the rest,
Everyone has posted there opnions on all of this......call a truce.....I'm going 2.

The end of Powered Tower's.....Wiring them.....
using pre made bi wires or 2 single speaker wires of your choice,I'm not going to argue the point if they are a term used or not,but they do sound better wired the term way then every other way.This is my experience with them and any powered tower owners are more then welcome to discuss anything they want with me about them.
As far as all of you non powered tower owners...please stay out of the posts...they don't have any meaning to you...unless your planning on buying them and want to do it.If thats the case....I might know someone who is looking for a happy buyer for a good clean well taken care of powered towers and a really good price.

[mantis]

TroyD..personally to you....
You can call 2 channel stereo Home Theater is thats what you like....I'm not going to argue that point anymore.......I talked about it at work and everyone agreed if you try to sell a 2 channel stereo as Home Theater..they would get laughed off the floor.....Many others had said this very same words of todays standards...but like you said........it's an opnion on what Home Theater is to you......Years ago before there was surround sound,there was vcrs to the stereo system..better sound...then the speakers in the TV...I did it myself before Pioneer realised the first surround dolby receiver.
For me that was then and this is now.......

[TroyD]

Dan,

I can go along with that......Gee, imagine THAT!

Does this mean we aren't going to get Hunter's view on how to biwire them?

BDT

[mantis]

TroyD,
Rare but good.......
Hunter was lurking around...I'm sure it will come around sooner then later.

[RuSsMaN]

I'm sure he's still beet-freakin-red after the posts today....

Time, thats all any man needs, time.

[mantis]

How much time does it take to change the essence of a man?

[gidrah]

True essence never changes!

[gidrah]

Oh, I'm sorry. I don't own, nor am seeking, any powered-towers. Then again I've never bought any speakers that I was unhappy with in a couple of years.

For this reason please ignore this post and the one prior.

[HUNTER]

TroyD,
As I stated I own rt3000ps that are Bi-wired and I'm sure I do not have to explain how that is accomplished.
I also stated that the way mantis has bi-wired the 1000s is not true bi-wiring in the sence of separating the highs from the mids, it is quasi bi-wiring because he is running separate speaker level connections to the bass amp and the high/mid drivers.

I'm done with the is thread and hope that the rest of you don't have to waste too much more time beating it to death.

[mantis]

Amen...thank you everyone for your time......lets let this one go down in history..........
Dan

[ViperZ]

Can somebody explain me one thing?

If I hook up my RT1000p's with "method 1" from the manual (i.e. binding posts shorted), can I plug in the speakers into the power outlet?

The reason why I am asking is that it does not make much sense to me - you feed powered signal to the input of a powered subwoofer, which must cause clipping/distortion/dead amp? Or am I missing something, and these bottom set of binding posts act like binding posts on real separate subwoofer?

Thanks!

:eek:

[mantis]

Plug the speakers in. The powered woofers will not work unless you do.

No matter how you wire em, you still have to plug them in.

WOW I just re read this thead.Man the time spent writing all that is now wasted. Unless someone can use it, what a waste.

Mantis wiring

[RuSsMaN]

Funny stuff

[reeltrouble1]

Man it was one of these Bi-wire posts that got me started in CP right around this time. Waaaaaaaa............what a newb I was.

Wish Aaron was still around, he was pretty cool.

RT1

[Skynut]

I bi-wire my cs1000p. I did it so the sub would only produce sound from the center channel and not the LFE track.
I had done the same when the rt2000p's were on each side of my t.v.
Now I have the rt55's on each side of my screen and they are bi-wired.
All of my bi-wireing was done because I got the wires free when I bought my RT5000 system used.
Since I got free wires I figured I should try them out.
I upgraded my 14g wires to the bi-wires and heard a difference but that was probably to be expected with a heavier gauge of wire.
I am going to finnish my b-wireing of the FX1000's tonight, I did this because I wanted to change the 14g to 10g and decided to just use both. I might use both sets of wire with the jumper just to increase the overall wire size.

Argue on.

[DiscoMike]

After reading this thread, do I dare ask if the CS1000p and the FX1000s are bi-amp'able to bring back up some old feelings ? When starting to read this thread, I was about to put my 2 cents in saying that my Tower Powers are bi-ampable, but someone answered that already, and I dont have the room to put up 3 more amps just for bi-amping. Just bi-wired the 3000p and 1000p. Getting the 1000FX for the bedroom today. WHOO HOOO !

[Tour2ma]

f/x1000's ... yes.

CS1000p... dunno...

Great old thread.... Feel like we're going to see a lot more of these from now on with the "Related Threads" list at the bottom of page in the new look forum...

And that's a good thing...