Destroyed RTi4 woofers Mayday.

[SubSonic Polker]

hello my fellow polkers. I have come to tell you of my terrible situation... this afternoon i was playing a 10hz sine signal to my Rti4's at 40% gain and a min later, i smelled burning sound and no more mid and bass. to my doom, i had realized what had occurred.

my history with this pair...
-Second owner
-Gift(Used)
-Great condition, when given
-woofer driver said Manufactured on "Nov 05, 2003"
-Had for like 4 months?

I used as "wide range" speakers in stereo configuration playing to a well 35hz with large amounts of bass enhancement devices. due to the lack of a subwoofer.

Now the woofers are friend and dried. the left one is really messed up, it seems to have a grip on the pole piece and only moves if forced. And the right speaker is still alive atleast, but only when pushed. during the movements, assisted by me, does it seem to receive a signal.

So far im guessing my options are to buy new woofers. or have them replaced with drivers from Polk Audio. im aware the kind of abuse voids any warranty or such things. but as the second owner, i dont expect it anyway. just to make sure. with great sentimental value, i would not toss this pair away. the beautiful tweeters are still fully functional without harm.

The drivers i want to use as replacements are the "Dayton DC130AS-8 5-1/4" CLASSIC SHIELDED WOOFER"
from Parts Express



are there any suggestions anyone can give me? im in a desperate situation.. without another stereo pair, im suffering with just using to tweeters. and some crappy radioshack headphones, but its better than nothing.

[dkg999]

Ummm, have you thought about calling Polk customer service and ordering a new pair of woofers? Seems to work for lots of us when we accidently screw up. They are nice people and won't judge you for your laboratory experiment that went amuck.

Welcome to Club Polk.

[SubSonic Polker]

im sure the price of the replacement woofers from Polk Audio would be much more expensive than something off of Parts Express and i dont have the money... would the Dayton Audio 5 1/4 inch be a bad idea? Or what about the Tang Band 5 1/4 incher?

[dkg999]

What's the value of having a set of speakers that sound like they should? Go original replacements or go home.

[disneyjoe7]

hello my fellow polkers. I have come to tell you of my terrible situation... this afternoon i was playing a 10hz sine signal to my Rti4's at 40% gain and a min later, i smelled burning sound and no more mid and bass. to my doom, i had realized what had occurred.




I don't think that is a good idea on any speaker. A quick way to kill them. :rolleyes:

[wallstreet]

The speaker has no usable bass below 60hz. So let's run a 10hz tone to see exactly what? Where you expecting to hear something?

[Libertyc]

Where you expecting to hear something?

He sure smelled something.

[beardog03]

plugging them into the wall socket won`t make them a "powered" subwoofer either...:eek: :rolleyes:

[F1nut]

plugging them into the wall socket won`t make them a "powered" subwoofer either...:eek: :rolleyes:


WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

He's here all week folks!

[SubSonic Polker]

Thank you all for all your valued help! Im Glad the Parts Express forum is my main audio forum because i have never seen so much rudeness 1) to a new member and 2) to one who is seeking help! Good bye! and God Bless! I hope you have a wonderful Holiday!

[Libertyc]

Happy Holidays.

[janmike]

Happy Holidays as well. I think you need to broaden your shoulders as that wasn't what I would consider real harsh. Stay away from the business world.

[amulford]

You deliberately fry your speakers and then want us to tell you to buy non OEM replacements? And you're PO'd because we poke fun? OK...

IF you want them to perform as designed, you need to get the replacement drivers from Polk. The crossovers were design for that driver, other drivers may not have the same operational parameters.

Since you got them for free, why are complaining about paying for YOUR experiment.

And Beardog is right, BTW. Just in case you wondered...

[SubSonic Polker]

This was not an experiment and this was not intentional.
seems when you're 39 money isnt such a problem... i'll be directly under bill gates in 22 years.

[Polk65]

Pass some head & shoulders along with the fruitcake. Anyone seen my mistletoe?

[disneyjoe7]

Happy Holidays...

Perhaps we should have realized your Screen name first, SubSonic Polker. Hmmm 10hz Yes SubSonic sound feeding a Polk Speaker. I Got it. :D

[wallstreet]

Welcome to the jungle, err, I mean forum!

[McLoki]

I am sure the problem was your amp. If you want to get some good 10hz tones out of an RTi4 - you are going to need at least 400wpc.

With enough power, you should be able to hook your tweeter to the binding posts and bypass the crossover. I am pretty sure it will play full range and they just put the crossover in there for people who don't have enough power to get sound out of playing a 10hz tone through a tweeter. You don't even need to waste the money replacing those woofers.

Michael (audio equivalent of get a bigger hammer)

[disneyjoe7]

I am sure the problem was your amp. If you want to get some good 10hz tones out of an RTi4 - you are going to need at least 400wpc.

With enough power, you should be able to hook your tweeter to the binding posts and bypass the crossover. I am pretty sure it will play full range and they just put the crossover in there for people who don't have enough power to get sound out of playing a 10hz tone through a tweeter. You don't even need to waste the money replacing those woofers.

Michael (audio equivalent of get a bigger hammer)



Ways too see FLAME BALLS from your speakers from McLoki :cool:

[disneyjoe7]

I am sure the problem was your amp. If you want to get some good 10hz tones out of an RTi4 - you are going to need at least 400wpc.

With enough power, you should be able to hook your tweeter to the binding posts and bypass the crossover. I am pretty sure it will play full range and they just put the crossover in there for people who don't have enough power to get sound out of playing a 10hz tone through a tweeter. You don't even need to waste the money replacing those woofers.

Michael (audio equivalent of get a bigger hammer)


Ways to get FLAME BALLS from your speakers from McLoki :cool:

[McLoki]

Ways to get FLAME BALLS from your speakers from McLoki :cool:
It would be an audio and visual treat.

Be sure and invite as many of your friends over as possible for the demonstration. Just remember two important things reguardless of what happens....

1. Start the demo with "hey everybody, watch this"

2. End the demo with "TA DAAAAAA!!!"

You will be a legend my friend.

Michael

[disneyjoe7]

How true thanks for the laugh. :D

[KentVaughn]

For those of you who have never had the pleasure of seeing a speaker get torn up...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7_uvjoLzGM

That woofer was crap before I got ahold of it, but for the love of god, with RTi4's? Next time you try pumping a tone that you CAN'T EVEN HEAR out of a 5.25" woofer, just light it on fire first and get it over with.

[amulford]

i'll be directly under bill gates in 22 years.

OK...

[disneyjoe7]

It was so nice too Dream when we where Young and knew it all.

[SubSonic Polker]

That was sarcasm, im only 17 and dont have a job and my parents arent rich like Amulford here. sorry for being poor and having polks. and 39 as in amulfords age. your welcome.

[F1nut]

Ummm....first you say, this afternoon i was playing a 10hz sine signal to my Rti4's at 40% gain

Then this,
I used as "wide range" speakers in stereo configuration playing to a well 35hz with large amounts of bass enhancement devices.

And then you expect us to buy this, This was not an experiment and this was not intentional.

Of course it was, so don't get upset when people poke fun at you.

Unless the Dayton drivers are drop in replacements your speakers will not sound as they did before you blew them up. Check with Polk, maybe the OEM drivers aren't as expensive as you think.

[SubSonic Polker]

"I used as "wide range" speakers in stereo configuration playing to a well 35hz with large amounts of bass enhancement devices."
-as in, I always use it like this. when pushed these babies can do ALOT of bass. i make sure theres no distortion, mechanically or from the signal. Im a bass freak and these puppies can push. im sure you all know that a pair of speakers will sound different in each and every different setting, and with mine, you wouldnt expect the amount these can give. it was too beautiful... i just wanted more...

"This was not an experiment and this was not intentional."
-if u persist to call it an experiment, but why would i intentionally destroy my speakers?(i think this one would go in a circle.)

"Of course it was, so don't get upset when people poke fun at you. "
-and yes i am upset. and its justified. its weird you group of mature adults would like to make fun of people... why? because of arrogance. like i dont know that 10 hz sinewave will destroy 5.25 60? watt woofers. It was an accident and you are just restating the obvious. (this not directed at F1nut)

i still gotta check with polk. im gonna be busy the next two weeks...

Thank you.

[ben62670]

Young guy getting into a pair of Polk's, and he gets hammered for doing something pretty stupid (like I think everyone has done(or maybe its just him and I that have blown a speaker or two)...
nice nice nice...
I really hope that what i have seen here isn't replicated with your kids.
way to kick a kids dick in the dirt...
nice welcome...
how do you feel...
don't even reply to me
encourage and assist the youth, you might need someone younger than you when you are feeble and in diapers shaking to hard to take your Viagra!


Hey Sub- They bash a lot of other people too. There is some good advice up there if you read through the insults. Do yourself a favor and get the stock woofers. Some might have big heads, but switching to another driver is a bad idea. I just got into this hobby pretty heavily recently. I have tried drivers not designed for their application, and it almost never sounds right.

I looked at the price list and i did not see any prices for that model. Just call them and tell them your a clubpolk member. You are probable looking at around $80 shipped to fix them. Get a sub Kid :-)

[F1nut]

Hey Ben, STFU.

[ben62670]

nice

[F1nut]

Yeah, nice edit.

Your perception is a bit off tonight.

Have a nice one.

[TroyD]

Hmmmmm....a person takes a nice pair of speakers and destroys them....then wants to save, oh, MAYBE 10 bucks on a pair of drivers? Then cops a 'tude about a little needling?

Yeah, whatever.

It's a nice pair of speakers, if you want to enjoy good sound, fix them properly. If not, do what you like.

The thing that gets me is, if you have your mind made up on a course of action, why ask for opinions??

BDT

[McLoki]

Ok, you wanted help, here you go....

Look at the Polk site for the RTi4 under specifications and you will see this:

Overall Frequency Response 50Hz-27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 60Hz


That means you are ok with a 60hz tone to your speakers. They will actually play a 50hz tone but not very well and that is the speakers lower limit. If you try and push lower than that - you will break something.

You went over 2 octaves below that and blew the speaker. I don't care what they can do with no problem in your environment, that is what Polk says they can do. Don't run sine waves lower than 60hz or you will be sorry.

Before you purchase your woofer from parts express - be sure and ask in their forum what level of power it will take and what spl you can expect at 10hz.

Michael

BTW - welcome to club polk

[cfrizz]

I hate to tell you this Ben, but this was quite a gentle scolding from the crew here. It used to be much much worse.:eek: :D

They are simply voicing their distress over the willfull destruction of a pair of very good speakers.:(

Hopefully, the lesson has been learned. I've noticed that younger people usually DO have to learn the hard way.

At least this wasn't anything that was life threatening like drinking & driving.

[amulford]

That was sarcasm, im only 17 and dont have a job and my parents arent rich like Amulford here. sorry for being poor and having polks. and 39 as in amulfords age. your welcome.


Since you seem to have singled me out, let me set you straight. I am not a rich man. I work hard for what I have, probably much like your father.

You want to listen to music with all kinds of ass kicking bass? Then at least TRY to set yourself up with the proper gear. If you change your dumb ass attitude, you just might get some help.

Now your 17, right? You CAN get a job. I had one at your age. As a matter of fact, when I was 17 I was skinning animals in a slaughterhouse for animal food to earn the money for the things I wanted. I did things that would gag a maggot for money. So don't cry that poormouth BS to me. If you want it you can get it. You just have to want it, and obviously you don't.

What do want me to treat you like? You did something stupid, and asked some dumb ass questions. What are you, special? I don't think so. Now you can be the young man you should be, or the crying child you're acting like. The choice is yours...


And oh yeah, ben. STFU!!!

[RuSsMaN]

Fun times.

[SubSonic Polker]

Since you seem to have singled me out, let me set you straight. I am not a rich man. I work hard for what I have, probably much like your father.

You want to listen to music with all kinds of ass kicking bass? Then at least TRY to set yourself up with the proper gear. If you change your dumb ass attitude, you just might get some help.

Now your 17, right? You CAN get a job. I had one at your age. As a matter of fact, when I was 17 I was skinning animals in a slaughterhouse for animal food to earn the money for the things I wanted. I did things that would gag a maggot for money. So don't cry that poormouth BS to me. If you want it you can get it. You just have to want it, and obviously you don't.

What do want me to treat you like? You did something stupid, and asked some dumb ass questions. What are you, special? I don't think so. Now you can be the young man you should be, or the crying child you're acting like. The choice is yours...


And oh yeah, ben. STFU!!!

-Thanks Ben.

I singled you out because you stuck out, reread your first unhelpful post to me.
i didnt have the attuitude at first. i was defending myself from these unhelpful and unwelcoming posts.
-im sorry you had to do things you didnt want to for money but im in a different situation, one that isnt as extreme but the fact is, i dont have the money i need and thats that.
-I didnt ask some "dumb ass" questions, you are arrogant. coming at me like some kind of superior mediator. No, im not special but i expected a different attitude on my first post and a new forum. evaluate your own posts to me. what if you were me???

im tired of this. Lets forget it. i'll be back in 2007. I hope you all have a Blessed Christmas and a safe and Happy New Year! Sorry for the flame!

[F1nut]

The mind is like a parachute, they only function when open and I have to say that yours, SubSonic, isn't open.

[SubSonic Polker]

i'll give you that. im disfunctional. but my personal life cant be spilled on a speaker forum.
EDIT: and oh, when all these posts happened, it was wide open. Thanks

[PolkWannabie]

I thought you left for the holidays ...

[dkg999]

SubSonic - I think this is where you just need to man-up and say "hey, I was doing some stupid sh@t with my speakers, playing around, and I fried them! Thanks to you all for pointing out that although these are great little speakers, they can't handle the amount of bass I like, and I need to be a little more cautious. I'll call Polk CS and see what new drivers cost"

It's not so hard. We've all been in that same spot. And if you want to play around with some PE drivers as replacements, let us know how it works out.

PS: don't join any motorcycle forums if you think you were treated rudely here!

[PolkThug]

The best advice is in the very first response to this thread, use it.

If that doesn't work, go here:
http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=42762&highlight=airholes

[McLoki]

Also - while you are talking to Polk Customer Service - mention you are a club polk member and I think you get a discount.

Michael

[Libertyc]

and......Happy Holidays.

GB.

[AndyGwis]

Come on, guys. Give SubSonic a break. Unbelievably, this isn't the only time someone tried to turn an RTi4 into a subwoofer.

Read this for a good laugh. KrazyMoFo makes SubSonic look like Matt Polk's head of engineering. . . and the next William Gates.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=43162&highlight=rti4

[AndyGwis]

NM, I just read the old KrazyMoFo post, and he prefaced it with "stupid question." So, at least he was smart enough to know the stupidity beforehand, where as SubSonic just makes excuses and saying "mistake."

[disneyjoe7]

I just love his screen name SubSonic Polker Beautiful Just Beautiful ;)

[SubSonic Polker]

NM, I just read the old KrazyMoFo post, and he prefaced it with "stupid question." So, at least he was smart enough to know the stupidity beforehand, where as SubSonic just makes excuses and saying "mistake."
AG, please reread the thread. its obvious i knew that a 10hz signal at 40% gain wouldnt do well for my woofers. and I do know that the human hearing range is 20hz-20khz so no, i wasnt expecting to "hear" 10hz, but i did hear air moving through the ports. Thanks, Smartass.

[dudeinaroom]

Thank you all for all your valued help! Im Glad the Parts Express forum is my main audio forum because i have never seen so much rudeness 1) to a new member and 2) to one who is seeking help! Good bye! and God Bless! I hope you have a wonderful Holiday!
This is from like your second post. Yeah they did razz you a little bit, but not bad at all. If you thought that the stuff above that was bad just wait until you get into the real world. And as far as being poor I can't even afford to pay attention to this thread any more

[anonymouse]

I think you ought to replace the midwoofers with bass shakers from Parts Express. They could do a pretty mean ass job of shaking the boxes way down to 10Hz. Great bottom end, great top end. Middle, not so good but hey - you cant have everything.

[PolkWannabie]

Yep ... He needs to get a pair of shakers and use them as headphones ...

[disneyjoe7]

SubSonic,

Please explain to all of us what you where trying to do feeding a speaker with 10hz if you know human earing is 20hz - 20khz?

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

At age 17, its called a job...

And the fact that you dont have one sounds like a personal problem.

[SubSonic Polker]

This is from like your second post. Yeah they did razz you a little bit, but not bad at all. If you thought that the stuff above that was bad just wait until you get into the real world. And as far as being poor I can't even afford to pay attention to this thread any more

I think you ought to replace the midwoofers with bass shakers from Parts Express. They could do a pretty mean ass job of shaking the boxes way down to 10Hz. Great bottom end, great top end. Middle, not so good but hey - you cant have everything.

Hehe... humor:p , yea, mom tells me the "real world" is gonna be a biotch.

and yes, bass shakers will give me 10 hz cept i'd have to sit on the cabinets ;)

[SubSonic Polker]

At age 17, its called a job...

And the fact that you dont have one sounds like a personal problem.

im actually starting a job this wednesday... and please dont make a suggestion to get a job. i dont just sit around at home and play with my speakers all day. There are Many Many other factors. Especially school. i actually have a life.... which is my business...

and explain to me what you mean by, "the fact that you dont have one sounds like a personal problem.":confused: because thats unclear. im sure its not your problem right now that i dont have a job...

[SubSonic Polker]

SubSonic,

Please explain to all of us what you where trying to do feeding a speaker with 10hz if you know human earing is 20hz - 20khz?


i like to watch it move:p , and i was doing something else.... which is really stupid... and i cant say:o

[RuSsMaN]

i am wit u dawg. base rulez and i be using my eq to make my wolfers move. dont listen 2 tha no-it-alls here jus keep pumpin tunez!!!! i modifi my rti4 wit dual 6 inch on da sidez 4 tha kadunka dunk base.

[SubSonic Polker]

removed

[dudeinaroom]

fo shizil rus

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Well, since you are starting a job Wednesday, that means you can buy woofers for your RTi4s...no?

Yep, thought so...

[SubSonic Polker]

Shizzle....

[SubSonic Polker]

Well, since you are starting a job Wednesday, that means you can buy woofers for your RTi4s...no?

Yep, thought so...

Cute VR, real cute.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

haha, Im sorry man - Im 17 as well and have worked since age 12. My social life has hardly faltered in the time Ive worked either. Ive gained many skills, and currently work 24 hours a week during school. Not only do I work 24 hours, but I control an entire department, make orders, all while working the floors - all while holding some type of life...

So cry all you want, because I dont think anyone cares ;)

[SubSonic Polker]

haha, Im sorry man - Im 17 as well and have worked since age 12. My social life has hardly faltered in the time Ive worked either. Ive gained many skills, and currently work 24 hours a week during school. Not only do I work 24 hours, but I control an entire department, make orders, all while working the floors - all while holding some type of life...

So cry all you want, because I dont think anyone cares ;)

Oh... Wow... i guess.. thanks for the story... yea... i think so too, no one cares... wanna tell us more??? lets have some sharing time.... because I care;)

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Get your speakers fixed and pick up a good sub....

[PolkWannabie]

Put yo mamma on ... we need to tell her to slap you upside the head with an SVS ...

[phoneisbusy]

I am now waiting for someone to photoshop an af-fro on Russ-brotha... :D

[SubSonic Polker]

yea... im actually ordering a sub tonight... its my sisters Christmas gift to me. I cant tell you what 3 parts im ordering because it would be a "sin", what im doing with these three parts. but its simply a prebuilt cabinet from dayton + the 240 watt dayton amp and a top secret driver with a qts value not fit for something... but the "consequence" isnt really a downfall...

Ah, svs.... they're expensive and probably at the top of the list for many for their superior sound. i've never heard any of their speakers but i've heard my uncles Sunfire SuperJunior true sub. and omg i'm in Love. I hope to get one one day. its like pure, clean, accurate, fast, deep bass.

[heiney9]

yea... im actually ordering a sub tonight...


Why not take that "gift" money and properly fix the Rti's :confused: . "Dumbass is as dumbass does".

By all means blow a pair of speakers then whine about how much they cost to fix then get pissy at us for advising you to fix them right rather than using non-stock drivers then turn around and go buy a sub.............which you should have done in the first place. All the while the Rti's are still inoperable. WTF :confused: :rolleyes: .

H9

P.s. Oh yeah, almost forgot...HAPPY HOLIDAYS

[SubSonic Polker]

you think you know it all or something? i wasnt even gonna mention a sub but, the subwoofer is first priority, my church this 24th needs extra bass extension for our performances. you can stop getting pissy now.
Happy Holidays to you too!
P.S. DONT MISS THE SALES AT PARTS EXPRESS PLUS FREE SHIPPING! WOO HOO

EDIT: why quote gift???

[heiney9]

EDIT: why quote gift???

Because as you "stated", I know it all.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

There is no home sub that I have ever seen, regardless of cost or design that can rightfully fill up a church size area...

So either you got a really really small church, or you are about to have another one on the shop table...

[PolkWannabie]

... and another one down, and another one down, and another one bites the dust ...

[SubSonic Polker]

Because as you "stated", I know it all.

-Hm.



There is no home sub that I have ever seen, regardless of cost or design that can rightfully fill up a church size area...

So either you got a really really small church, or you are about to have another one on the shop table...

-Yay! no assumptions. and Yes! our sanctuary is VERY small compared to mega churches. only about 100 ppl will be in the room. the building is actually a mix of warehouse/ apartment/ office building... its a weird street.
the mains are Bose 802's Series II(Which are amazing). the current subwoofer is an 8 inch 300 watt teac sub or some other brand... sounds like crap but it was only 50 dollars(Ebay) and can get LOUD. im bringing in my sub in for multimedia. the system was changed recently and it is only hooked up to the electric drums. sorry for boring you...
Good night!

[SubSonic Polker]

... and another one down, and another one down, and another one bites the dust ...
ohh what song is that again? its on the list of masked music or something like subliminal messages... i forgot what it said but when u play it backwards... its scary:eek:

[SubSonic Polker]

Ah, here we go

http://jeffmilner.com/backmasking.htm

some are funny

[TroyD]

Damn! Hot son! Thanks Nigga! I love Wolfers too! I mean Nigga, im so fly i blew myn! Woot! Holla! Nigga you diggin? I Keep it rai hurrz son, i got this son dank!
Good Lookz!

If you think this kind of shit is funny or appropriate, take it someplace else. The 'N' word in any shape or form is NOT cool.

Far as I'm concerned, you welcome is officially worn out. If you have no interest in decent audio, no interest in learning what decent sound CAN be...and have nothing to add but this sort of childish crap, please, find another outlet.


BDT

[F1nut]

Anyone else here get the feeling that T_Unit jr's stay is going to be a short one!?!

[cmy330go]

Damn! Hot son! Thanks Nigga! I love Wolfers too! I mean Nigga, im so fly i blew myn! Woot! Holla! Nigga you diggin? I Keep it rai hurrz son, i got this son dank!
Good Lookz!

If you think this kind of shit is funny or appropriate, take it someplace else. The 'N' word in any shape or form is NOT cool.

Far as I'm concerned, you welcome is officially worn out. If you have no interest in decent audio, no interest in learning what decent sound CAN be...and have nothing to add but this sort of childish crap, please, find another outlet.


BDT

TroyD is right......That is entirely unacceptable!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[TroyD]

The last thing I have patience for is some pencil neck 17 yr old who lacks any sort of common sense or social grace.

BDT

[F1nut]

You know, I miss the Hall of Shame.

[amulford]

Now you wonder why...

Go on now son, your mother's callin you...

[SubSonic Polker]

If you think this kind of shit is funny or appropriate, take it someplace else. The 'N' word in any shape or form is NOT cool.

Far as I'm concerned, you welcome is officially worn out. If you have no interest in decent audio, no interest in learning what decent sound CAN be...and have nothing to add but this sort of childish crap, please, find another outlet.


BDT

If russman responded to me like that and was playing with me, im gonna play too. sorry, but you dont know how people talk in my city. the "N" word is used by all races and used all the time. i personally dont use it in my everyday vocabulary, but it is the "Gangster"/ Thuggish thing to say. its "cool" you're "in"

i am wit u dawg. base rulez and i be using my eq to make my wolfers move. dont listen 2 tha no-it-alls here jus keep pumpin tunez!!!! i modifi my rti4 wit dual 6 inch on da sidez 4 tha kadunka dunk base.

"dawg"? "Wit"? the "z"'s? "Tha?" i've never been to texas but im sure this this "gangster" talk doesnt go well with that southern accent.

I was polite on my first post. i presented myself well, at least I think, well enough for mature educated responses. but yo guys are arguing with me and playing around. so, i'll play with you.

[SubSonic Polker]

Now you wonder why...

Go on now son, your mother's callin you...

Alumford, please, this was AFTER YOU...-THUMBS DOWN*

[SubSonic Polker]

The last thing I have patience for is some pencil neck 17 yr old who lacks any sort of common sense or social grace.

BDT

You judge quickly. and harshly. as i said, did i not present myself well in my first post?


You should see me in school then. come by my neighborhood sometime.

[cfrizz]

You have also worn out your welcome with me Sub! I have reported your ignorant & racist post.

While Russ's comments were immature, they had no derogatory racist words in it.

This kind of behavior is frowned upon outside of your little area, if you actually had a job you would find that out pretty darn quick!

Welcome to the real world kid, come back when you finally grow up, learn some respect, & learn how to act in a more mature manner.

[heiney9]

Anyone else here get the feeling that T_Unit jr's stay is going to be a short one!?!

One can only hope!!! "It's better to burn out than fade away" T_Unit Jr has officially burned out. Where is that pesky bug spray?!?

[jdhdiggs]

-Hm.
-Yay! no assumptions. and Yes! our sanctuary is VERY small compared to mega churches. only about 100 ppl will be in the room. the building is actually a mix of warehouse/ apartment/ office building... its a weird street.
the mains are Bose 802's Series II(Which are amazing). the current subwoofer is an 8 inch 300 watt teac sub or some other brand... sounds like crap but it was only 50 dollars(Ebay) and can get LOUD. im bringing in my sub in for multimedia. the system was changed recently and it is only hooked up to the electric drums. sorry for boring you...
Good night!

Aww yes, he must be the judge of good sound...

And yes, Sid is right, you would need proaudio gear or extremely high end HT gear to get anything beyond a loud farting sound from a sub in a room like that.

[McLoki]

You may be able to pull off a MANY driver infinite baffle sub for a church size room. Think about a room in your home that you can comfortably fit 100 people in. That would be a giant room to fill with with bass and you are going to do it with a low end home sub? You might as well fix the woofer in your RTi4's and use them as a sub.

Must be why most churches don't typically go to a 17 year old for their audio needs.....

Good luck,

Michael

[zombie boy 2000]

Our Blessed Mother of Crapped-out Woofers, Fried Tweeters, and Flatulent Bass does....

and they saved 15% by switching to Geico.

[PolkThug]

Damn it feels good to be a gangsta.

[PolkWannabie]

... but you dont know how people talk in my city. the "N" word is used by all races and used all the time. i personally dont use it in my everyday vocabulary, but it is the "Gangster"/ Thuggish thing to say. its "cool" you're "in" ...
Actually you're not ... Someone drop a dime on this guy before I have to go over the bridge through my old neighborhoods and drop a piano on him ...

[jdhdiggs]

I wouldn't worry about it, if he actually acts like this in real life, his life expectancy will be short enough.

Sub- I might suggest you run away with your tail between your legs or man-up and say that you screwed up.

[TroyD]

If russman responded to me like that and was playing with me, im gonna play too. sorry, but you dont know how people talk in my city. the "N" word is used by all races and used all the time. i personally dont use it in my everyday vocabulary, but it is the "Gangster"/ Thuggish thing to say. its "cool" you're "in"



"dawg"? "Wit"? the "z"'s? "Tha?" i've never been to texas but im sure this this "gangster" talk doesnt go well with that southern accent.

I was polite on my first post. i presented myself well, at least I think, well enough for mature educated responses. but yo guys are arguing with me and playing around. so, i'll play with you.

Listen here, junior, I've seen a hell of a lot more of the world than you have in your 17 years and I'm going to throw the BS flag in that the 'N' word is NOT used by all races all the time ANYWHERE. Pull your head out of your ass. You don't live on Mars and the 'where I'm from' thing as a sham.

I don't give a rat's ass what your intent was, that sort of thing is inappropriate and unwelcome. If you don't know that, you should be ashamed as should your parents.

Polite? You've presented yourself as a wart on the ass of society and NOT a good reflection of the current generation of young folks. Polite, indeed.

Get lost.

[TroyD]

You judge quickly. and harshly. as i said, did i not present myself well in my first post?


You should see me in school then. come by my neighborhood sometime.

Your damn right I do. I don't have time to coddle some immature, deluded child.

Your first post was ok, as were the responses. Your second post and the subsequent post was childish and it disintegrated from there. Personally, I saw it as you had it in your mind that after you had already ruined the speaker you were going to put incorrect driver in them and when folks told you that wasn't what you should do, you whined like a spoiled child.

See you in your school? Come to your neighborhood?

Let me tell you something son, I have young men that work for me and with me not much older than you, that either are or have been serving thier country overseas in some less than pleasant circumstances. THOSE young men, I'm proud of. Those young men, deserve my attention. YOU? So far you've acted like a spoiled, self-absorbed little crybaby. I couldn't give a rats ass less about your circumstance. Young man. It's time for you to pull away from the teat and grow up a bit.

Good bye, good luck.

[amulford]

Son, if I was you, I'd haul ass. You even managed to piss off Ms. Frizz, and that ain't easy...

As far as I am concerned, you're as ignorant as they come. You will not be here long...

[ben62670]

Sub
A wise man listens a lot, and a fool speaks a lot.
All over Proverbs.

When I was your age a teacher on multiple occasions told me to go in his office, and stare a poster he had on the wall.

It read...

"It is better to stand there, and look like a fool than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt".

[SubSonic Polker]

Sub
A wise man listens a lot, and a fool speaks a lot.
All over Proverbs.

When I was your age a teacher on multiple occasions told me to go in his office, and stare a poster he had on the wall.

It read...

"It is better to stand there, and look like a fool than to open your mouth, and remove all doubt".

yea, ive heard of that quote before. its good.


You may be able to pull off a MANY driver infinite baffle sub for a church size room. Think about a room in your home that you can comfortably fit 100 people in. That would be a giant room to fill with with bass and you are going to do it with a low end home sub? You might as well fix the woofer in your RTi4's and use them as a sub.

Must be why most churches don't typically go to a 17 year old for their audio needs.....

Good luck,

Michael

If you can come this sunday, you'll see what im trying to do. which is not impress the crowd with my 270 dollar subwoofer. i said bass extension...
Thanks~

I wouldn't worry about it, if he actually acts like this in real life, his life expectancy will be short enough.

Sub- I might suggest you run away with your tail between your legs or man-up and say that you screwed up.

I'll pick up on that tip, Thanks! Rolls eyes*

Listen here, junior, I've seen a hell of a lot more of the world than you have in your 17 years and I'm going to throw the BS flag in that the 'N' word is NOT used by all races all the time ANYWHERE. Pull your head out of your ass. You don't live on Mars and the 'where I'm from' thing as a sham.

I don't give a rat's ass what your intent was, that sort of thing is inappropriate and unwelcome. If you don't know that, you should be ashamed as should your parents.

Polite? You've presented yourself as a wart on the ass of society and NOT a good reflection of the current generation of young folks. Polite, indeed.

Get lost.

You are NOT getting it. REREAD the posts. If you were in my position, you would get fed up with the jokes on you too. I presented myself properly, AT FIRST, but i was being pushed around...
And oh, people are getting worse everyday... the generations to come are going to be a shame to those born in the 1950's.

you may have seen a lot of the world, but this is my world, my experiences, my environment.


yea... im not here much longer... not with these people here... i'll go back and get some real, mature, educated answers back on the PE board.

Thanks for poop!:p

[shack]

Bye!

Come back when you grow up...or can at least act like it.

[zombie boy 2000]

You are my Subsonic, my only Subsonic
You make me happy when skies are gray
You'll never know... how much I love you
Please don't take my Subsonic away

[amulford]

C YA!!!

[seo]

don't let the door hit you in the a**!

[bobman1235]

You'd think growing up in "NYC" you'd get some thicker skin. It amazes me how defensive and easily offended people get over nothing. Granted he's just a kid, but... wtf.

[dudeinaroom]

+9999999999999 on the last couple couple few post, besides that he said bose and amazing in the same post. if he would have said something like amazingly crappy fine but....... Hang him out to dry