Apple iPhone

[dgt2n]

touchscreen, widescreen ipod, internet ready, etc etc etc etc etc

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[bobman1235]

It does look pretty amazing.

The only complaint I have is touchscreen == no tactile feedback, which for a phone is kind of annoying.

Also, considering the featureset, it's going to run like 800 bucks.

It sure does look purdy though. And runs OSX somehow.

[PhantomOG]

touchscreen + cingular = useless to me

[PhantomOG]

The 4GB iPhone will go out the door in the US as a Cingular exclusive for $499 on a two-year contract, 8GB for $599. Ships Stateside in June, Europe in fourth quarter, Asia in 2008.


Every two years I get the latest and greatest cell phone from Verizon for anywhere from $0 to $50 out of pocket, without all the dropped calls. No thanks, Apple.

[bobman1235]

Phantom - I don't know what planet you live on that you think Verizon has the "latest and greatest" phones. You may LIKE their phones, or their service, or both, which is totally your opinion... but technology is way past what Verizon hands out for free, or will EVER have, because they use an outdated network that doesn't exist outside the US. And if you don't like the latest technology then this kind of thing really isn't marketed to you.

Apple went with Cingular because Cingular uses GSM, which is what the rest of the world uses, so they can market the phone outside the US.

[PhantomOG]

definitely my opinion and my opinion only.

I have used and know many other people that use other networks besides Verizon. Without a doubt, for me in Austin, TX, Verizon has the best network as far as call quality and dropped calls. Do I care if I can use my phone in Japan/UK/Africa? Nope. But that's just me.

My 1.5 year old LG phone has Bluetooth, mp3 player microSD card slot, GPS and a bunch of other crap I probably don't even know about. I got it for free and I have never used any said features. I use it to make and receive phone calls and it does a damn good job doing so. Moreso than any of the "latest" technology offered by any of the other carriers. I like the "best" technology that works for me. Usually that's the "latest" but not always, and if you are correct, apparently not for cell phones.

But again, that's just my opinion. If you love the Apple+Cingular+$500 phone, more power to you. I'm happy for you.

[bobman1235]

I actually don't like the iPhone except to look at and say "ooo, pretty", I was just being argumentative for no reason :)


Hey, you live in Austin, how's that dead bird situation going? Freakiest thing I've seen in a while.

[PhantomOG]

I haven't heard anything lately but I'm staying clear of downtown until they find our what or who is responsible. :eek:

[dylan]

My experience the last year or so, the windows mobile smart phones are very prone to problems (lock-ups, terrible battery life, dropped calls, etc). This is across carriers and phone models, but windows mobile is the constant.

Blackberries on the other hand, continue to work extremelly well. iPods speak for themselves, so I could see room for competition here.

[bobman1235]

These iPhones really aren't iPods. Supposedly they're running OSX... which is significantly more stable than the iPod "OS".

[shack]

The only thing I want my phone do send and receive CALLS. I could care less about internet, music, pictures or whatever. A phone (cell or land line) is a tool that I have to have to communicate...no more...no less.

[dgt2n]

The pricepoint certainly is high, but the demos on www.apple.com/iphone are reeeeally nice.

I think it'll end up doing quite well, and so do others, if the 8% increase today in AAPL is any indication.

[dgt2n]

The only thing I want my phone do send and receive CALLS. I could care less about internet, music, pictures or whatever. A phone (cell or land line) is a tool that I have to have to communicate...no more...no less.


That seems like pretty archaic thinking to me. Have you never wanted to access the internet or listen to music when you're away from your home or work PC or stereo?

[Shizelbs]

I would get it if the internet connectivity was little to no extra cost.

[dylan]

Interesting, I assumed they were merging ipod and phone. If its a stable os, they're already ahead of MS.

These combo devices are weird... when I setup them up for people at work (50+ BB's, 75+ smart phones), they go through 2 stages: "alright, I can get email all the time!", quickly followed by "ah crap, I can get email all the time...".

I don't want either, like Shack, I just want calls. Although that means I have to do without an absurdly loud ring tone of Sweet Home Alabama (insert rolly eyes here).

[shack]

That seems like pretty archaic thinking to me. Have you never wanted to access the internet or listen to music when you're away from your home or work PC or stereo?
NO! I have excellent music systems for music, GOOD cameras for taking pictures, a very nice home theater for watching movies, a very fast computer with a BIG screen for surfing the internet. A phone is a phone....not an entertainment system. I want a tool that does one thing really well. Not a gadget that does lots of things poorly.

[bobman1235]

Unfortunately for you, shack, most people DO want all those features, so it's actually cheaper for them to throw a camera in every phone they make than make one without. So you're stuck just buying that crap and never using it :)

I always look at phones and get the cool features and end up using a grand total of none of them. It always seems neat but I never wanna deal with it.

[polkatese]

That's look like a great phone. My biggie is text messaging, which is very handy to acknowledge callers without talking to them.

[dgt2n]

NO! I have excellent music systems for music, GOOD cameras for taking pictures, a very nice home theater for watching movies, a very fast computer with a BIG screen for surfing the internet. A phone is a phone....not an entertainment system. I want a tool that does one thing really well. Not a gadget that does lots of things poorly.


Not to sound like i'm humping Jobs' leg here, but based on Apple's recent history, I tend to think the iPhone will do alot of things well, not poorly.

[shack]

Unfortunately for you, shack, most people DO want all those features, so it's actually cheaper for them to throw a camera in every phone they make than make one without. So you're stuck just buying that crap and never using it :)
Not necessarily. I just started using a Noika "candybar" phone that I got 2 years ago for free when we renewed our service. I only started using it because the similar phone before it quit working as well after about 3 years (I could put the sim card in now and use it if I needed to). These things are small and built like a tank and work. Razr sucks (as do most of the Moto phones). As a family we have had 9 Moto phones that do lots of stuff. They are crap and rarely last a year.

[shack]

Not to sound like i'm humping Jobs' leg here, but based on Apple's recent history, I tend to think the iPhone will do alot of things well, not poorly.

I guess you can dream... They may do fine at what they do...I have little use for MP3. Why would I care about a compressed music source when I have spent a lot of time and money to build high quality, high resolution music systems? You probably haven't been around enough to see the things that Job screwed up. He is certainly capable of it.

[dkg999]

Not sure on the comments about Verizon! I have a Verizon phone that has all the modes including GSM. I can get/make calls almost anywhere in the world, and access the internet from most locations I travel to internationally. In some areas such as the former Russian republics I have to call Verizon and let them know I am travelling there, but overall I get better service from Verizon than some of my co-workers with Sprint, Cingular, T-Mobile, etc. When I spent a week in a remote location in Siberia for vacation, Verizon provided me a satellite phone at no cost other than shipping. I'm pretty satisfied with them so far, and I've been one of their customers since 1990 (it was AirTouch back then!).

[dgt2n]

I guess you can dream... They may do fine at what they do...I have little use for MP3. Why would I care about a compressed music source when I have spent a lot of time and money to build high quality, high resolution music systems? You probably haven't been around enough to see the things that Job screwed up. He is certainly capable of it.

I never said that you personally have any use for mp3's.

I listen to uncompressed audio at home on a nice system as well, but there are many other times when I'm not sitting in my recliner when mp3's come in very handy (trains, planes, jogging, skiing, my lab at work, DMV waiting rooms, etc). Obviously many other people feel the same way, and Apple's recent success is one indication that they're doing better than the competition at filling that want. They have a pretty faithful computer following as well, and this product is just a combination of the two, with a phone thrown in for good measure.

What do you have against Apple anyway? Bad experience with a Macintosh IIcx?

[bobman1235]

shack - I agree with you on the Nokia candybars - love em. The less moving parts the better, says me.

dkg - most verizon phones do not have full GSM capabilities. You may have snagged a multi-band phone that can handle GSM, but the majority of their phones cannot.

dgt2n - stop being an Apple fanboy. Apple knows how to make a pretty product with a nice user-friendly UI. That's about it. Form over function, always.

[shack]

What do you have against Apple anyway? Bad experience with a Macintosh IIcx?
Nothing. My point was that folks have short term memories. Right now because of the sucess of the iPod, Apple (and by association Jobs) is percieved that every thing they touch turns to gold. Apple and Jobs in the past have been very innovative, but often miscalculated the market and the demand for the product. Apple has certainly been up and down. Examples are the Apple III, Newton, Lisa and their entry into the business server world. Inspiration often didn't lead to application. Just because Apple can make a nice iPod doesn't mean the iPhone will be great. Maybe it will...maybe it won't. Either way, I won't be getting one.

[dkg999]

The limitation of the iPhone to me is that unless you can turn off all the phone functionality I'm not going to be able to listen to music on the 9 hr flight to the UK. That would suck! I'll stick with my basic cell phone, that I can't even figure out all the tricks on using, and an iPod for music on the long flights.

[dgt2n]

shack - I agree with you on the Nokia candybars - love em. The less moving parts the better, says me.

dkg - most verizon phones do not have full GSM capabilities. You may have snagged a multi-band phone that can handle GSM, but the majority of their phones cannot.

dgt2n - stop being an Apple fanboy. Apple knows how to make a pretty product with a nice user-friendly UI. That's about it. Form over function, always.


sorry. i just think its pretty f'ing cool new toy/technology, and was surprised by the apathy/disinterest. even by people who have no desire to own one.

[Fireman32]

I think it looks cool and im sure Apple will do very well with it. I wont buy one. I agree with Shack on the fact to me a phone should be a phone only. I love my Ipod for listening to music at work all night. The thing I do like is the widescreen for watching movies.

[dkg999]

That and when someone jacks the iPhone, they will get a sh*t load of personal information about you. If they jack my iPod they get some music and podcasts, possibly some pictures of my kids. If they jack my cellphone they get my phone book. Neither is too serious. If you are using the iPhone for all your info, they have a lot of stuff that is valuable and potentially lets them steal and/or sell your identity. That's one of my main concerns with these types of devices.

[Holydoc]

That and when someone jacks the iPhone, they will get a sh*t load of personal information about you. If they jack my iPod they get some music and podcasts, possibly some pictures of my kids. If they jack my cellphone they get my phone book. Neither is too serious. If you are using the iPhone for all your info, they have a lot of stuff that is valuable and potentially lets them steal and/or sell your identity. That's one of my main concerns with these types of devices.

Well if that was a concern, I could never carry a wallet again. :)

Though I like the idea of having one item that does it all (i.e., replace Ipod, Phone, camera, and PDA), I have the same concerns as dkg999 that I would be limited in the places I could utilize it. I currently have a cell phone that does not have a camera. I am limited here because I work in a secure environment where camera's are strictly prohibited. The other fact that I travel a LOT and the video portion of the IPOD keeps me entertained during those flights, is totally limited if it is in a phone. I would not be able to utilize it on flights. :(

Otherwise dtg2n, I think it is pretty cool too.

[dkg999]

Holydoc - I have been at more than one client's facility where we were asked to leave our cell phones with security because of the camera.

[Holydoc]

Holydoc - I have been at more than one client's facility where we were asked to leave our cell phones with security because of the camera.

Then you definitely understand my concern. :)

[Sami]

Holydoc - I have been at more than one client's facility where we were asked to leave our cell phones with security because of the camera.
I worked 9 years for Nokia on the R&D side, no cameras were allowed since we had highly confidential material all over the place. Well, one problem...most of the cell phones we were developing had cameras as well as company issued cell phones that we needed to have during the work day. Of course the rule was never enforced on none of the employees, still I thought it was funny. :D

[dane_peterson]

Interesting, I didn't realize this thread was titled "Features I don't need in my phone". Just because all you grandpas have a hard enough time dialing 9 digits, doesn't mean this phone isn't a completely revolutionary piece of hardware.
Is the iPhone $600? Yes. Is the iPhone way more than the average consumer needs? Yes. But it seems to me some of you guys are trying WAY too hard to dislike the thing. Is it because it's Apple? Is it because it's expensive? Let's take it for what it is, not for what it is TO YOU.

And as a sidenote--A wise person once told me "Spend the most money on the things you'll use the most." Many of us have spent just as much on interconnects and powercords; for theaters and stereos we use 1-2hrs/day? Maybe less? Just a thought...

[Fireman32]

Dane i'm a big fan of Apple. I love the IPOD and eventully plan on buying a laptop from them. I'm not going to buy the IPhone for a couple of reasons.
1. I have an IPOD
2. The price (i'm sure it will drop in time) although $600 for all of the features it has is really not bad I just cant afford it now
3. I dont use Cingular and do not want to switch carriers
4. I have a good cell phone

Just my .02

[shack]

Interesting, I didn't realize this thread was titled "Features I don't need in my phone". Just because all you grandpas have a hard enough time dialing 9 digits, doesn't mean this phone isn't a completely revolutionary piece of hardware.
Is the iPhone $600? Yes. Is the iPhone way more than the average consumer needs? Yes. But it seems to me some of you guys are trying WAY too hard to dislike the thing. Is it because it's Apple? Is it because it's expensive? Let's take it for what it is, not for what it is TO YOU.

And as a sidenote--A wise person once told me "Spend the most money on the things you'll use the most." Many of us have spent just as much on interconnects and powercords; for theaters and stereos we use 1-2hrs/day? Maybe less? Just a thought...

There are lots of things that are "revolutionary pieces of hardware" that I have no use or need for. It seems to me that some of you guys are trying WAY to hard to make me think all that stuff is necessary. I certainly have no problem with technology, as I sit here typing on a desktop computer with an Intel dual core processor viewing on a 20 inch flatscreen and literally the world at my fingertips. I know what the iPhone is...something that I have no need for and that is what is important TO ME.

[dane_peterson]

No offense, Shack, but we're not all on a quest to make YOU think things are "necessary". I'm not directing my comments to any particular member. So you don't like it, or wouldn't use it, or would NEVER consider spending $600 on a phone. Whatever. Bottom line, it's unlike anything else out there, and a big step toward future electronics/networking. There's a reason this thing is on the front page of newspapers and all over the news. Don't try to wash it away like "just another smartphone".

[dkg999]

I'll wait for the Chinese nock-off of it with the image of a glowing tube embedded in the background of the video screen :)

[shack]

Let's see what happens. The hype is there...for the moment. But it's not all positive. Unlike the MP3 market, there are already serious competetors out there for the phone business. They are not simply going to roll over and play dead. There are questions about the network for the iPhone, the price, the demand (if you have already spent $350-$400 for an iPod are you ready to spend another $500 to have the phone and wifi?) and whether Apple is ready to play in the PHONE arena. Like me there are many who view the phone as a serious tool...not an entertainment gadget. Apple has a poor track record when it comes to business applicastions for its products. On top of that the analyst who follow Apple have serious questions about Apple's chances. The investors are enamored with the company right now...but if the iPhone fails to meet expectaions then that could create more issues.

As I said in an earlier post, Apple has in the past introduced innovative products but were not able to turn that into a profitable endeavor. With little or no real competetors, iPod and iTunes has been a big success. Only time will tell if they can produce the same results with the iPhone.

BTW - They may not even be able to use the "iPhone" name:

Linksys, a division of Cisco Systems Inc. that makes networking equipment for the home and small businesses, unveiled its new iPhone line of Internet-enabled phones last month. Cisco has owned the trademark on the name "iPhone" since 2000.

Cisco has the clout to go head to head with Apple over the name if they choose to do so.

[BIZILL]

don't care for apple. do love my 'toys'. my windows mobile 2005 phone sucks ass. lock up's all the time. i'm sure it is both hardware and software causing it. this phone seems to be very sweet. but not gonna drop 6 large ones to upgrade. and sprint don't got it......yet.

[dane_peterson]

Shack, thank you for that post. I appreciate the professional, factual views on the product. Yes, Apple has released innovative products in the past that ended up not being profitable. They still however, get referred to as "innovative". That in itself, at least in my opinion, marks success.

My guess is that being Cingular-specific is going to be the Achilles' heel if the iPhone fails. But I have no doubt that it will significantly increase Cingular's 2-yr agreements!

[punk-roc]

I personally have been waiting for a phone that'll do multiple things pretty well. None of the smart phones up to this point have quite what i'm looking for as far as tools and battery life. This iPHONE seems to be the closest one yet and i'm excited as far that goes, but will definitely wait in until several months post-release to make sure things are going the way they should before i take the $600 plunge...

Jason

[F1nut]

That seems like pretty archaic thinking to me. Have you never wanted to access the internet or listen to music when you're away from your home or work PC or stereo?

Really? The iPhone seems pretty stupid to me. Hell, I don't even like having a cell phone that much.

No.

There is such a thing as too much technology. Something to think about.

[shack]

When I travel on the airlines, I have this great entertainment system. It's called a book. Keeps me occupied, I enjoy it and when the idiot next to me spills his drink on it I'm not out several hundred dollars because of the unrepairable liquid damage the new electronic gadgets are susceptable to.

[anonymouse]

My T-Mobile HTC does what I need it to do. And it was up and running with my outlook exchange server in 5 minutes without needing to contact the IT mafia in my company. Microsoft gives power to the people. Apple gives power to all the girlie men.

[Holydoc]

When I travel on the airlines, I have this great entertainment system. It's called a book. Keeps me occupied, I enjoy it and when the idiot next to me spills his drink on it I'm not out several hundred dollars because of the unrepairable liquid damage the new electronic gadgets are susceptable to.


Nice thing about an IPOD is that you are not limited to just reading a single book. With my IPOD that is half the size of a book, I have 14 audiobooks, 8 movies, 41 TV Shows, 570 Podcasts, 1400 songs, and of course Texas Holdem Game (don't expect me to do without my gambling, I hope!). I fly at least twice a month and in all my time owning an IPOD, I have never lost it due to any acts of God or that idiot sitting beside me.

So if one book is great then does that make 14 books 14 times better? Does one person need so much entertainment? Hell ya, I am worth it! ;)

I think my point is that all gadgets are not for everyone. If you don't like them then no problem. I think the point of this thread was to applaud the idea not try to sell you one. I do not expect nor is anyone trying to convince anyone in this thread to buy one. All we are doing is applauding the innovation. It is that innovation that opens the door for even better ideas in the future. Who cares whether it profits or fails. It is the idea that counts and the fact that someone has the guts to take a chance (you know like cordless speakers...hint, hint Polk).

Like I said, my situation limits me so I cannot even consider one of these iPhones. That doesn't stop me however from applauding the idea. Thank goodness people like Henry Ford, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Edison, and the Wright Brothers had a thick skin and went against the odds and popular opinion. Otherwise I would have to walk across country to get that entertaining handwritten book in order to read it by candlelight.:D

[dgt2n]

Well said.

I certainly did not expect these types of responses on a technology/audio/HT based board. Anyway, to each his own.

[dane_peterson]

My T-Mobile HTC does what I need it to do. And it was up and running with my outlook exchange server in 5 minutes without needing to contact the IT mafia in my company. Microsoft gives power to the people. Apple gives power to all the girlie men.

That was an incredibly ignorant and useless comment. And I can promise you Apple has the upper hand in terms of quick and easy plug-and-play.

[PhantomOG]

So what exactly does the iPhone do that other phones on the market don't already do? Link to itunes? Have no hard buttons? Maybe I just forgot to drink the juice but it just doesn't sound that "revolutionary" at all to me.

[bobman1235]

It doesn't do anything that isn't already available. Like most Apple products, it's about packaging and UI. It has by far the largest screen, so if you're using it for video / pictures, it's great. It's thin. And it has a funky intuitive interface. Other than that, it's just a PDA/Phone like any blackberry.

[PolkThug]

Cool. Looks like it can do full html and display the whole page at once. I really like my enV phone, but it still works best with wap optimized pages.

[vhabaygiurbm]

droooooooooooool.............:)

[Mjr7531]

Interesting, I didn't realize this thread was titled "Features I don't need in my phone". Just because all you grandpas have a hard enough time dialing 9 digits, doesn't mean this phone isn't a completely revolutionary piece of hardware.

I'm not directing my comments to any particular member.

Are you sure?

We can all agree on this, it's big. My own opinion is that this is going to spawn a whole ton of knock-off and it will steer the cell-phone further down the path of gadgetry, fine. I however only use my cell-phone for texting (sentences, I'm fine with the number pad) and for making calls. I don't want any more than that because I won't use it, I already have the aforementioned things in the phone or I don't need it.

Besides, even if I did want it, I'd probably not want the Apple version, I want to have a replaceable battery, and I think it needs to have all of the kinks worked out.

Another thing, I'm 19 and I have no problem putting in 7 digits :mad:

[tonyb]

When I travel on the airlines, I have this great entertainment system. It's called a book. Keeps me occupied, I enjoy it and when the idiot next to me spills his drink on it I'm not out several hundred dollars because of the unrepairable liquid damage the new electronic gadgets are susceptable to.

A book???? What a concept Shack!!!:)
{what exactly is that anyway}:p

[dgt2n]

I must have missed the memo where if you own a portable music player or enjoy films, you can't read or don't enjoy a book.

[tonyb]

I must have missed the memo where if you own a portable music player or enjoy films, you can't read or don't enjoy a book.

Nobody is saying that.But good old fashioned book reading seems to be getting lost on the younger generation.Of coarse,does not apply to all.

[shack]

I certainly did not expect these types of responses on a technology/audio/HT based board.
You don't come here very often do you? A large segment of the members of this forum get more excited by vacuum tubes and vinyl recordings than anything Apple is producing today. To me it is the Jurassic Park of consumer electronics. Taking something prehistoric (in audio terms) and making it new again.

It doesn't do anything that isn't already available. Like most Apple products, it's about packaging and UI. It has by far the largest screen, so if you're using it for video / pictures, it's great. It's thin. And it has a funky intuitive interface. Other than that, it's just a PDA/Phone like any blackberry.

Ding...ding...ding....We have a winner.

I have seen the term revoulutionary used about this phone. It is any thing but. The next step is probably a better term. Innovatative..maybe, but remember these things were envisioned 50 years ago. Apple (and others) are simply bringing the vision of the past to fruition. Now the chips and microprocessors...those are revolutionary. Nano technology...thats innovative.

I'm all for advances in technology...in fact I am a proponent of technology. I was writing computer programs in basic, fortran, COBAL, etc... before many of you guys were born. My family has been involved in computers for years as well. My Father installed one of the first retail POS inventory tracking systems in the southeast with the help of Honeywell. They built the thing from scratch in a 20'x30' room dedicated to the gear. Today an iPod or cell phone probably has as much processing capablity as that room full of gear.

My issue with the iPhone (or whatever it will be call after Cisco wins the name issue) is the typical over-hyping of something that undeniably is cool, just not that necessary for everyone.

Show me something that cures cancer, transports matter faster than the speed of light, generates unlimited amounts of clean, safe energy....I will get excited and join the hype with every one else. I don't put the (alleged) iPhone in the same category..that's all.

For all you guys that want it...love it...yearn for it...NEED it. I hope it fulfills all your expectations and meets all your needs.

Gotta go...that damn cell phone is ringing....;)

[dane_peterson]

I say we close this thread and start a new one when the thing is actually available. The dead horse has been beaten (my assistance included).

[shack]

Dead horse??? This pony is barely bruised. Now if you want to see a pile of equine corpses....head over to any power cable, speaker cable or interconnect thread.

[goingganzo]

i say the less devices i have to carry the betteri have the slvr and it is nice havving a phone and mp3 player in onev is better

[Holydoc]

Dead horse??? This pony is barely bruised. Now if you want to see a pile of equine corpses....head over to any power cable, speaker cable or interconnect thread.

Now that made me smile. :)

[dane_peterson]

LoL. Indeed. But I'm going to zip my mouth now till it's released in a few months. Time will tell.

[juliusbk4]

My T-Mobile HTC does what I need it to do. And it was up and running with my outlook exchange server in 5 minutes without needing to contact the IT mafia in my company. Microsoft gives power to the people. Apple gives power to all the girlie men.

That was great:D

[shack]

There is always "something else"...Apple's main man

Apple's stock is soaring thanks to the buzz around its new iPhone, says David Pauly in Bloomberg.com, but a dark cloud is looming. There's an outside chance government investigators will implicate CEO Steve Jobs in Apple's stock-option backdating scandal. If the worst happens, Apple's board might have to consider firing the company's visionary co-founder, and "the man in jeans and a black turtleneck may be indispensable."

Jobs is "the force of ambition, innovation, and vision at Apple," says Steven Syre in The Boston Globe. There's no question about that. But "no one should want Apple's chief fired based on what we know today." Besides, a committee of outside directors -- including Al Gore -- has already cleared Jobs. The company clearly does not intend to let its leader get run over by "the options bus."

This has nothing to do with whether the product is good or bad, necessary or not. But in business...what we (the public) don't know is often more important than what we know.