Did anyone just see the Colbert/O'Reilly segment?

[aaharvel]

oh man that was so funny. Those guys compliment each other well.

And I believe Bill will be on Colbert's show tonight at 11:30 as well.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

They absolutely hate each other... Made for TV moment..

[dorokusai]

I'd like to see an O'Reilly debate without the obvious attempt at humor and crowd pandering by Colbert. I think Colbert is quite intelligent and an astute orator.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

I personally think O'Reilly is a pompous a$$!!! All that man wants to do is push his beliefs on you(as most of far right republicans do); consequently, he also seems to have a need for a hooker/mistress as much as the next man...

[aaharvel]

All that man wants to do is push his beliefs on you(as most of far right republicans do); consequently.

and far left democrats don't? lol - i should know, I do. And I don't even consider myself anything BUT a left of center guy. Although most on here would probably disagree with that assessment. :cool:

As for being pompous, that's why he's so successful. His viewers tend to not want peace and appeasement but blood and guts. Far more entertaining. For a good example, of his doppleganger, see Keith Olbermann.

[dorokusai]

You do know I meant Colbert right? Yea, O'Reilly is an either intelligent and gifted commentator or an asshole....just depends on where you sit on the fence.

I'll take an O'Reilly/Coulter type before a Franken/Garofalo type any day, as at least they live on this planet. If you take away the silly religous rhetoric that both of them throw out from time to time, the conversations and subsequent debate are solid.

[aaharvel]

imo I don't think you can compare an O'Reilly to a Coulter. Coulter is insane.

Literally.

[dorokusai]

Show me a sane woman.

[aaharvel]

HA! And that's the end of that argument.

[dorokusai]

I doubt it, but it reads well :)

[TennesseeOutlaw]

I suppose you think Fox News is "fair and balanced" as well?

[aaharvel]

I suppose you think Fox News is "fair and balanced" as well?

of course not. I've read the John Moody memos. In spades.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

"We report, you decide!" LOL What a crock of Sh*t! I am definately left of center, and IMHO, dems are much less aggressive (Colmes) then reps (Hannity) in the media.. Then again what news station isnt ran by the reps?

[aaharvel]

That's because Colmes is a pussy.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

That's because Colmes is a pussy.

Ok, I admit you have a great point there! He is a pud!

[dorokusai]

I suppose you think Fox News is "fair and balanced" as well?


Nope, but thanks for ringing my doorbell, please seek donations elsewhere.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Personally, I would have much rather seen a John Stewart/Bill O'Reilly showdown.. Colbert, IMO, cant hold his own to the likes of John Stewart.. Not to mention John is 100x funnier than Colbert..

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Nope, but thanks for ringing my doorbell, please seek donations elsewhere.

Just out of curiosity, are you slammin Fox News? Or me?

[dorokusai]

John Stewart is another good choice for a real debate, I certainly agree. I think Colbert is more on subject than Stewart or Maher could be tho' so the edge, for me would be Colbert. Colbert is more dog like than the other two individuals.

[aaharvel]

I'm a big fan of both Bill Maher and Dennis Miller. Two Libertarians with opposing views, now that's entertainment.

[dorokusai]

Just out of curiosity, are you slammin Fox News? Or me?

Quid pro qou.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Nothing like a good political debate... :D

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Quid pro qou.

Excuse my ignorance, please elaborate... Thanks..

[dorokusai]

I'm a big fan of both Bill Maher and Dennis Miller. Two Libertarians with opposing views, now that's entertainment.

We seem to be comedic satire oriented so to leave out Lewis Black would be sacraligious...or did I get too Christian with that comment :)

[aaharvel]

Lewis Black rocks my world.

[dorokusai]

I LOVE The crazy finger.

[aaharvel]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0612/01/lkl.01.html

Larry King/Lewis Black interview- thought that might wet your whistle Mark. :)

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Unfortunately, I'm obviously not as edjucated as you dorokusai, but I would still like to know what you meant by "quid pro qou." If I am not mistaken this is a reference to sexual harassment??

[aaharvel]

oh lord here we go.. putting on flamesuit now.

You boys have fun.

Quid Pro Quo is latin for "you tell me things, I tell you things"
or whatever constitutes an equal exchange between two parties.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Dont worry aaharvel.. Im not upset or anything.. However, I have never heard that saying before, so I googled the exact phrase and it came back as sexual harassment.. Was just wondering where that had any merit in what we were initally talking about..

[aaharvel]

i think Bill O'Reilly said that to Andrea Mackris in their phone conversations. :p

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Fair enough.. I am still having trouble figuring out, due to what was said and what was qouted, why this statement was made.. What exaclty was the meaning of it? And I believe that can only be answered by the person that made it..

[aaharvel]

Fair enough.. I am still having trouble figuring out, due to what was said and what was qouted, why this statement was made.. What exaclty was the meaning of it? And I believe that can only be answered by the person that made it..

don't sweat it. You're new, sort of, we make all sorts of comments to each other here, usually in good humor. Gotta have thick skin to survive here. Do that, and you get to know alotta cool guys, regardless of ideology.

[opus]

Dont worry aaharvel.. Im not upset or anything.. However, I have never heard that saying before, so I googled the exact phrase and it came back as sexual harassment.. Was just wondering where that had any merit in what we were initally talking about..


You must have made a mistake and typed in "Quim pro Quo":rolleyes:

[dorokusai]

Unfortunately, I'm obviously not as edjucated as you dorokusai, but I would still like to know what you meant by "quid pro qou." If I am not mistaken this is a reference to sexual harassment??

I'm a toilet intellectual with the attention span of a sea turtle...if that qualifies as educated, than I'm a freaking scholar. I'm not sure where your info comes from but you would have to go way out of your way to offend or harass me.....I'm electronic.

I apologize for not responding quickly enough for you.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

I am fairly new and I do have very thick skin; nonetheless, since the day I joined this forum I have been polite, thankful, as well as humble to any and everyone that I have been in contact with.. I give and have given everyone on this site the utmost respect and consideration.. I am 29 years old, and I expect to be treated the same way.. That being said, I am not pi$$ed or anything, I just wanted a honest answer to my question. Also, I do not want to feel like I am going to be criticized or made fun of at other people exspense on this site when responding or joing in on a specific thread.. I am here to learn as much as I possibly can before I start spending thousands of dollars on my "dream system" as well as make friends in the process.. Its just very discouraging to try to fit in, while other people judge you and not even know you.. This is not the first time my character has been questioned and I'm not understanding why I am getting the 5th degree.. Anyways, it has been forgotten and lets get back to the original topic at hand... :)

[dorokusai]

Perhaps my sarcasm and dialect makes you feel funny. Noone made fun of you or judged you, at any time, and you have the internet at your fingertips for information in regards to specific comments to your queries.

You've been real active lately and thats cool but if you're getting bent on a couple broad comments and a Latin structure, of which I don't even speak Latin fluently....just enough to get me killed or beaten, get lost. You speak of thick skin....the internet is your friend and relax.

I encourage you to participate nonetheless as my involvement in the conversation is borderline meaningless anyways. Wait a minute....where am I?

[TennesseeOutlaw]

<--- Holds out hand... Friends?

[dorokusai]

Naturally...you're a Polkster.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

Soon to be a Polkateer...

[Refefer]

*shakes head*

That read like an ol' Calvin and Hobbes Comic Strip

[TennesseeOutlaw]

im not familiar with that comic strip Refefer.. Is it funny?

[aaharvel]

Dorokusai is latin for Machine

http://www.gulacy.com/dark-horse/terminator/terminator-tpb-original-painting.jpg

[dorokusai]

or Japanese for stinky mud.

[Refefer]

im not familiar with that comic strip Refefer.. Is it funny?

Very much so.

[F1nut]

as most of far right republicans do

Really!?!

while other people judge you and not even know you

Who is judging whom??? :rolleyes:

[hearingimpared]

Its just very discouraging to try to fit in, while other people judge you and not even know you..

Stop trying to fit in and be yourself.

[TennesseeOutlaw]

In case you two (F1Nut, HearingImpaired) did not read the entire thread, this situation is over with, and there is no need to revisit it nor dwell on it.. Dorokausi and I have settled the situation/difference, whatever you want to call it, and we are currently back to what the thread was originally about..

Thanks

Josh

[scottnbnj]

correct, sir. sexual harassment.

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[scottnbnj]

HA! forgot to post the link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A7578-2004Oct28.html

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[mrbigbluelight]

Unfortunately, I'm obviously not as edjucated as you dorokusai, but I would still like to know what you meant by "quid pro qou." If I am not mistaken this is a reference to sexual harassment??


Kind of think of it as "something for something".

[bobman1235]

im not familiar with that comic strip Refefer.. Is it funny?

Wow, really?

Bill Waterson, the guy who wrote it, is widely regarded as one of the most respected cartoonists of all time for that comic. Read and learn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calvin_and_Hobbes).

[jdhdiggs]

Just for the record, Fox "News" has been demonstrated time and again to be the most centered and least biased news source on TV with a mild right of center slant. The other networks do take a hard left bend and Fox Commentary goes far right.

I always get a kick out of the attacks on Fox News by libs. Can you give one example of a right wing take on the news that wasn't commentary? Oh, BTW, the least biased print magazine is the "Christian Science Monitor"

As for the point of this thread, I like watching two informed, or two entertaining guys have at it.... :)

[PolkWannabie]

Anyone who thinks O'Reilly is far right would be doing themselves a favor by finding out who his favorite politician of all times was ...

[aaharvel]

I do like Sheperd Smith. Greta von Frankenstein gives me nightmares.

JD I don't have to provide evidence. Been there, done that. The topic has been beaten to death many times over with Susteren's ugly stick, and no matter what case I bring to the table, you'll just shoot it down with what you believe is factual so what's the point. Read John Moody's memos. He's the executive producer of Fox News. Next to impossible to refute the horses mouth. Unless of course the English language has a doppelganger lurking about that I and millions of other Americans are unaware of.

"mild right of center bias." That's nice. Baby steps. ;)

[tonyb]

[QUOTE=aaharvel]I do like Sheperd Smith.

Greta von Frankenstein gives me nightmares.

+1 on that big guy!
She reminds me of the old Clutch Cargo cartoons.:)

[jdhdiggs]

At least I'm not to the point that I think CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc are unbiased. Those news programs just piss me off with their unashamed bias.

[hearingimpared]

Greta von Frankenstein gives me nightmares.




Greta von Frankenstein WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hearingimpared]

[QUOTE=aaharvel]She reminds me of the old Clutch Cargo cartoons.:)


You guys are killing me my side is splitting open . . . Clutch Cargo WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[hearingimpared]

In case you two (F1Nut, HearingImpaired) did not read the entire thread, this situation is over with, and there is no need to revisit it nor dwell on it.. Dorokausi and I have settled the situation/difference, whatever you want to call it, and we are currently back to what the thread was originally about..

Thanks

Josh

Just trying to help you out Josh.:rolleyes: :p

[PolkWannabie]

At least I'm not to the point that I think CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc are unbiased. Those news programs just piss me off with their unashamed bias.
News is not biased ... it's news i.e. reporting of facts ... so if you think you've found a news program that's biased then it's something else pretending to be news ... Unlike the news programs of decades gone by, that's most of them ...

[hearingimpared]

News is not biased ... it's news i.e. reporting of facts ... so if you think you've found a news program that's biased then it's something else pretending to be news ... Unlike the news programs of decades gone by, that's most of them ...

You are correct. What is biased is the news that is reported. Like a network might just keep reporting every negative piece of news pertaining to the war in Iraq to make the administration look bad, but they will not report how in the settled parts of Iraq the people are happy and safe and there is no insurgency as well as how the Brits get to maintain those settled cities therefore don't have as high a casualty rate that we have.

That's the bias of picking and choosing just the right news to play an agenda.

[aaharvel]

At least I'm not to the point that I think CNN, CBS, MSNBC, NBC, ABC, etc are unbiased.

a mild left-of-center slant. ;) :p

Hearing, the Bush Administration doesn't need the media to make themselves look bad. They need to look in the mirror and come out of denial-land.

[hearingimpared]

a mild left-of-center slant. ;) :p

Hearing, the Bush Administration doesn't need the media to make themselves look bad. They need to look in the mirror and come out of denial-land.

I was using that as an example of how the news media can slant the news. . . good old W has made him and themselves look bad in many ways especially not having a plan before, "Mission Accomplished" was achieved.

[aaharvel]

well i'm not going to deny that the news media doesn't slant the news; either for a particular political agenda or to feed the crack babies of who they "think" or who they "hope" their audience to be (cough MSNBC cough FOX News cough).

I watch CNN. It's trustworthy, more so than MSNBC, much more so than FOX. And they do a much MUCH better job of reflecting public opinion on important issues than they do spewing what some dickhead's daily briefing memos "suggest" a news anchor should focus on for the day.

[jdhdiggs]

I personally like the #'s for story types on the last election, IIRC: on Fox republicans got 105 postive news stories for every 100 democrats got. Republicans received 97 negative stories for every 100 for dems.

CBS had 4 positve dem stories for every positive rep story and something like 6 neg rep stories for every 1 dem story.

That's one example of bias. The second is wording:

The US suffered 3 dead and 14 wounded in suicide bombs today
vs.
In another horrific attack, three troops perished and another 14 were gravely wounded in a brutal suicide bombing.

Fox would be the top example, the other networks the bottom.

Still think there is no bias in "just" reporting the news?

[aaharvel]

Heads I win. Tails I win.

Speaking of wording bias, (chants of "Moody, Moody, Moody" begin to fill the auditorium) ;)

I'm curious (seriously) was that IIRC report during or after the Republicans controlled every federal branch of government, including the state delegates?

[jdhdiggs]

Heads I win. Tails I win.

Speaking of wording bias, (chants of "Moody, Moody, Moody" begin to fill the auditorium) ;)

I'm curious (seriously) was that IIRC report during or after the Republicans controlled every federal branch of government, including the state delegates?

:rolleyes: And exactly what does the IIRC dept do.... :rolleyes:

BTW, claiming you "win" in an internet debate is paramount to saying "I lost". Addtionally, doing so while inventing a government agency instead of recognizing an extremely common internet acronym, well, lets just say.....

[hearingimpared]

You are correct. What is biased is the news that is reported. Like a network might just keep reporting every negative piece of news pertaining to the war in Iraq to make the administration look bad, but they will not report how in the settled parts of Iraq the people are happy and safe and there is no insurgency as well as how the Brits get to maintain those settled cities therefore don't have as high a casualty rate that we have.

That's the bias of picking and choosing just the right news to play an agenda.


There is one other thing the media will do to make things seem worse than they are; there have reports (and they are accurate) that there's only been about 100 Brits killed in Iraq . . . 50 were killed the first few days of the invasion. The rest of their boys have been killed in the past 3 + years . . . the reason ------the Brits maintain the settled cities, while our troops are on the front lines of the problem areas. The slanted media will make that out to be poor strategies rather than the fact that the Brits, since Sodamn Insane's regime was toppled, have not been consistantly on the front lines.

[aaharvel]

:rolleyes: And exactly what does the IIRC dept do.... :rolleyes:

BTW, claiming you "win" in an internet debate is paramount to saying "I lost". Addtionally, doing so while inventing a government agency instead of recognizing an extremely common internet acronym, well, lets just say.....

I wasn't claiming "I" win. It's satire for your own argument. You're the one presenting a totally one-sided coin. Insult libs, but conveniently ignore my take on Moody's memos. If that's beyond your scope, I do apologize. And I wasn't inventing a government agency. You claim stats of Fox doing this, while other news corporations do that. Yet you give no source, only an "IIRC." What the hell is that?

If it upsets you that I simply ask you to elaborate on your argument, and more specifically something such as 4 random letters stuck together in all caps, then that says more about you and your personality towards others in a social environment than it ever could about my intelligence. Sorry that I'm not as schooled in the ways of internet language and lingo like you JD.

Are you this rude to people at Polkfest, IN PERSON, or just when you're behind a keyboard flaunting internet "acronyms" that most normal people would have the perfect right to not know the meaning of anyway?

Jesus Fn' Christ..:rolleyes:

[tonyb]

I think all media is biased to a point.Wether it be from time constrictions or their own adjenda,they never give you the whole story.Which is why it is up to you to get it.They know most will not though and that is why they are so powerfull at swaying public opinion.

[shack]

I watch CNN. It's trustworthy, more so than MSNBC, much more so than FOX. And they do a much MUCH better job of reflecting public opinion on important issues than they do spewing what some dickhead's daily briefing memos "suggest" a news anchor should focus on for the day.

:rolleyes:

[aaharvel]

Thanks Shack. Speaking volumes.

[PolkWannabie]

I watch CNN. It's trustworthy.
The Clinton News Network ??? ... Your kidding right ?

You guys discover how right O'Reilly is yet by finding out who his favorite politician of all times is and what he thought of his policies ?

[scottnbnj]

...John Moody's memos...

ok, so i took you up on your offer and i've read about half of them, unedited, and perused a few of the memos and out of context snippets that the radical left has put up as the most damning of the bunch.

i'm not at all impressed and i'm sort of wondering what all of the arm waving and jumping up and down is about? from what i've seen, to me, it doesn't read any different from what you'll find in the holy grail of modern journalism, 'all the president's men'.

if this is the best you have, you still have a ways to go to even approach the body of evidence that exists of an overwhelming left wing media bias. this stuff pales in comparison to what groups like aim, mediaresearch and frontpagemag have been doing day in, day out for years and years.

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"More recently, then-CNN president Eason Jordan wrote an op-ed piece for the New York Times, admitting that CNN had refrained from telling stories of Saddam's brutality, in order to maintain access to the regime and a Baghdad bureau. Jordan was later forced to resign when he charged, without evidence, that U.S. troops in Iraq were targeting American journalists."

http://www.aim.org/aim_report/5041_0_4_0_C/

[hearingimpared]

if this is the best you have, you still have a ways to go to even approach the body of evidence that exists of an overwhelming left wing media bias. this stuff pales in comparison to what groups like aim, mediaresearch and frontpagemag have been doing day in, day out for years and years.


Do "mediaresearch and frontpagemag" have even 1/8th of the audience or exposure that the "left wing media bias" have?

[scottnbnj]

it's gotta be way,way less than that. but, just the same, except for the horowitz crew, they have been on the leading edge of the battle and at the top the radical right wing conspiracy foodchain for years, and have been feeding it well.

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