Aliens ask wrong people in van about work

[Kelley_Moore]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/metro/20070123-103339-1860r.htm

"Federal agents taking a break from an unrelated assignment yesterday arrested 24 illegal aliens at a Fells Point 7-Eleven after the men attempted to solicit "underground" employment from the agents." DOH!

"Of those arrested, 10 were Honduran, eight were Mexican, five were Salvadoran and one was Peruvian, ICE officials said. Six of the men have criminal records in the United States, eight of the men have failed to comply with final removal orders from an immigration judge and one man had been caught at the border on four occasions, ICE officials said."

Great, let's just deport them. But no, despite being criminals, these arrests are an “illegal raid” according to this CASA advocacy group. Damn these advocacy groups, they just don't get it.

[polksda]

My grandparents are spinning in their graves seeing what these illegals are able to do, and all the pandering from the left wanting to give them everything from amnesty to free health care to free higher education benefits to welfare benefits. Coming next: illegal aliens unionize.

When my grandparents came to this country from Germany in 1923, at the height of the post-WWI inflation, they had to work long and hard to be permitted to come here, including having sponsors in this country willing to vouch for them. They did it the legal way, coming here and working long arduous hours as a gardener and maid, all the while striving to learn the English language, wanting to become U.S. citizens and productive members of the society that allowed them to come here.

Yet today we simply shrug at all of the illegals flooding our borders, and compound the mistake by handing out free benefits as they cross.

Welcome to Mexamerica.

P.S. No, I really don't care if you think my comments are bigoted.

[DaveMuell]

My grandparents are spinning in their graves seeing what these illegals are able to do, and all the pandering from the left wanting to give them everything from amnesty to free health care to free higher education benefits to welfare benefits. Coming next: illegal aliens unionize.

When my grandparents came to this country from Germany in 1923, at the height of the post-WWI inflation, they had to work long and hard to be permitted to come here, including having sponsors in this country willing to vouch for them. They did it the legal way, coming here and working long arduous hours as a gardener and maid, all the while striving to learn the English language, wanting to become U.S. citizens and productive members of the society that allowed them to come here.

Yet today we simply shrug at all of the illegals flooding our borders, and compound the mistake by handing out free benefits as they cross.

Welcome to Mexamerica.

P.S. No, I really don't care if you think my comments are bigoted.

Can I use this in my signature line? Best post of 2007.

[BaggedLancer]

damn I thought this was gonna be about little green men asking for work :(

[sucks2beme]

Here in Dallas, 7-11's are day labor meeting places.
There is one over in Lewisville that sets out picnic tables for them!
If you drive a pickup, they will swarm like bees.
As long as the law looks the other way, it will continue.
Quote from the untouchables "Everyone knows where the booze is"
Same here. You could fill Cowboys stadium in about an hour if that's
what you wanted to do. Finding them and their employers is easy. The paperwork alone would be unbelievable.

[Rivrrat]

Living in Tucson, I'm on the front lines, and I've come to realize the truth is the feds want them here. We in Az try to fight back at the polls. We vote in laws taking away unearned privleges, enact voter ID, and even patrol our own damned borders to help the border patrol. Even our Dem Gov threatened to put the Nat Guard on the border if Bush wouldn't.

So the feds put the guard on the border temporarilly, hire a few extra border patrollers, enact legislation to build a fence and don't fund it. The courts try to rule all our new laws unconstitutional, threaten to lock up citizen patrol groups as domestic terrorists, and have thrown border patrollers in jail for doing their job too well.

It's pretty obvious that both sides want them here for various reasons, and until that mindset changes, there's nothing we can do about it.

[Ricardo]

Here we go again......

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=40423&highlight=illegal+aliens

[BIZILL]

shoot 'em all...

[VSchneider]

I am a first generation immigrant and a proud US citizen, and I am trying to be open-minded and all, but it sickens me to read and hear about incidents like this one. These people are in the country ILLEGALY, and many have criminal records. The CASA called this an “illegal raid”?! hello? These “poor souls” came to the agents themselves! Am I missing something here?

It took my family over 10 years to get here legally, and my mother’s mom and her brother have waited for 20 (!) to see each other again. I don’t want people to go through crap and humiliation only because my family and I did, but let them abide the laws and respect the country they want to live in.

In my opinion the whole situation around illegal immigration in our country is ridiculous and blown out of proportions by politicians trying to win votes. More laws? Aren’t there already enough that are not enforced?

- Val

[danger boy]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.

[polksda]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.

You're 100% correct! Treat them humanely, and then send them back to the country they came from, so they can immigrate through legal channels.

Treating like human beings != handing out taxpayer-funded benefits carte blanche.

[sucks2beme]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.

I haven't forgotten it. For the most part, they work very hard
to better themselves. The problem is, we now have an underground economy.
Even if they give them all citizenship, many of the same empolyers
using them now would could continue hiring illegals to keep costs down.
No medical, no taxes/unemployment, ETC. As one guy described to me, his boss told them if you fall off a ladder, you're fired before you hit the ground.
The REAL problem are the people hiring them. They all have nice big homes
and fancy big trucks, all paid for with the sweat of the "dixie cup"
workers you use once and throw away.
Go read "The Grapes of Wrath". Is that the America we want?


Sorry, soapbox mode off!

[PhantomOG]

Perhaps just before we deport them we should give them a small "reward" for implicating any businesses they worked for illegally and then throwing the book and tons of fines at said businesses.

[bobman1235]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.

Taking away their rights as US citizens does not have to mean taking away their human rights. No one's advocating shooting them in the face. But they're breaking laws, so how would you liek them to be treated? I would suggest "as criminals."

[VSchneider]

... how would you like them to be treated? I would suggest "as criminals."

And if being in the country illegaly is not enough of a crime, out of these 24, according to the article,...


...six of the men have criminal records in the United States, eight of the men have failed to comply with final removal orders from an immigration judge and one man had been caught at the border on four occasions, ICE officials said."

This doesn't help in convincing me, that these foulks just want a job and better living. I am sure some do, but the majority cross the line when they cross the US border.

[BIZILL]

shoot 'em all...


Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.


No one's advocating shooting them in the face.

i never said where to shoot them, did i? okay, just wound them. financially.

[up2youjoe]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.


BULL****. They are all CRIMINALS and should be treated as such.

[Polkersince85]

I heard one commentator talking about the reason the Feds want them here. Give them guest worker status and let them help pay for the babyboomer's social security. 30-40 million more workers.............yea right.

[Rivrrat]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.

They're here illegally. If you havent seen the problems it causes for the SW, it's hard to understand. The trails cut through the desert, the busted ranchers fences, the hospitals going BK from having to treat them, the border patrol having to drag them out of the desert, dead or alive.

The taxes legal citizens have to pay for extra law enforcment, the uninsured accidents, stolen vehicles, the drugs, the gang murders, and they just run back across the border when they have problems.

We need them, but we need a guest worker program, so we know who, where, and when.

[hearingimpared]

CASA officials invited other immigrant advocates and faith leaders to protest the arrests, which they say unfairly targeted Hispanics, and call for reforms to the country's immigration system. "We're making it more difficult for people to be good," said the Rev. Robert Wojtek, pastor of neighboring St. Michael and St. Patrick Roman Catholic parishes. "What sin against God have these people done?"

This is one of the most rediculous, pulling the race card, entitlement, statements, I've ever heard. "We're making it more difficult for people to be good," how about be good because you have good character!!!

"What sin against God have these people done?" If these priests would read the Bible and not that fairytale put out by the vatican, Christ said, "Render unto Ceasar that which is Ceasar's and to God that which is God's." Obey the laws of the land . . . if you don't, be ready to pay the consequences.

Why is it that every criminal is given the poor me excuse????

[polksda]

Why is it that every criminal is given the poor me excuse????

Because it "tugs at the heartstrings" and works with entirely too many soccer moms and mush-heads that might ultimately wind up in a jury pool...

[Polkersince85]

"tugs at the heartstrings"

Try "the pursestrings".... as in percent of the illegals that are Catholic.

This is all about money, being it employers, government, religion, retailers,...the list goes on.

[hearingimpared]

Try "the pursestrings".... as in percent of the illegals that are Catholic.

This is all about money, being it employers, government, religion, retailers,...the list goes on.

Amen!

[PolkWannabie]

Illegal or not. they are human beings.. seems like alot of you have forgotten that. agree with them or not.. they are human beings, and should be treated as such.
So ... It is not humane to arrest people for illegal activities ? ...

Treated as such ? ... Fine ... By all means I hope they have a great life ... In their own country ... Or ... Take the legal route to be here ...

[Mike682]

Illegal = Illegal

[hearingimpared]

Illegal = Illegal


What does ILLEGAL W/CRIMINAL RECORDS = ? >>>>>>>hell on earth for our citizens in or about the border states.

[polrbehr]

Right you are, Mike.

Ever been to Farmingv... er, little Mexico?
There are patches of ground near the 7-11 on Horseblock Rd and No. Ocean
that are worn to dirt where the throngs of "workers" cluster.

There was a story last year where 30-40 people were found to be living together in a 3 B/R ranch. Legally ;), of course.

[Mike682]

Right you are, Mike.

Ever been to Farmingv... er, little Mexico?
There are patches of ground near the 7-11 on Horseblock Rd and No. Ocean
that are worn to dirt where the throngs of "workers" cluster.

There was a story last year where 30-40 people were found to be living together in a 3 B/R ranch. Legally ;), of course.

Yep, I saw that.

That 7-11 near the intersection is dangerous because the "workers" are practically jumping at oncoming cars trying to get the driver's attention. I remember the owner of 7-11 kicked them off the parking lot because they were harassing women

Levy is not backing down either....regardless of which "reverend" decides to complain.

[DarqueKnight]

shoot 'em all...

No...no! That's a waste of human resources. Catch 'em, send 'em to boot camp, then off to Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh, by the way, no live ammo for the new recruits until they reach their duty station. We don't want to facilitate AWOL new recruits going into the armed robbery business.

What do you think?

[snow]

No...no! That's a waste of human resources. Catch 'em, send 'em to boot camp, then off to Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh, by the way, no live ammo for the new recruits until they reach their duty station. We don't want to facilitate AWOL new recruits going into the armed robbery business.

What do you think? oh geez.thats a lil drastic. im not saying they shouldndt be sent back when caught here illegaly they should. but i also know full well that if you were there you would try to get here also. so would i or any one of us here for that matter. perhaps when they catch them if its a crime to be here illegaly. sentence them to work here until they pay there debt to society off.then ship them back. if anyone is to blame for this problem it is the individuals and companys that hire them. if they didnt hire them they wouldndt come. as far as the free health care goes you would have to prove you are a citizen, or here as a legal alien before you recieve health care or other benefits. that would stop most of that. as long as there is a reason to come here. people that are desperate to have a better life will come. when you catch the person or company that hired them, you make them pay a huge fine. one that is large enough that they would never do it again. take away the incenitive for employers to hire them and they will stop coming. REGARDS SNOW

[mrbigbluelight]

No...no! That's a waste of human resources. Catch 'em, send 'em to boot camp, then off to Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh, by the way, no live ammo for the new recruits until they reach their duty station. We don't want to facilitate AWOL new recruits going into the armed robbery business.

What do you think?

You're closer to the truth than you know, Darqueknight.


and I've come to realize the truth is the feds want them here.

Yes, that is true. The question is: Why ?

The answer will have to lie in money/power, and on the scale that illegal immigration is allowed to occur, we're talking a LOT of money/power.
That eliminates "We need lettuce pickers/chicken factory workers" reason.

Now, what LARGE future need does the government see that would require a large reserve of manpower ?
A large reserve of manpower that could be enticed into filling with the promise that "Answer the call, and you will be rewarded with citizenship" ?

[DarqueKnight]

Now, what LARGE future need does the government see that would require a large reserve of manpower ? A large reserve of manpower that could be enticed into filling with the promise that "Answer the call, and you will be rewarded with citizenship" ?

Historically, countries that have depended on large numbers of mercenary troops have bitterly regretted it. Mercenaries have a tendency to sell out for a better deal or to cross over to the opposing side when things got too hot on the battlefield.

Citizenship is not an enticement because it brings civil and financial (i.e. TAXES) responsibilities. The vast majority of illegal immigrants, from whatever country, have no real interest in legally assimilating into American society. Many, if not most, of them only come here to work so that they can send money back home. As we all know, home is where the heart is.

[DarqueKnight]

We need them, but we need a guest worker program, so we know who, where, and when.

No, we don't need them. It is only greedy business people who need people willing to live like animals in squalid, overcrowded conditions and work for slave wages.

Why do we need them? Because they do jobs that Americans won't do? Don't insult my intelligence. They do jobs that Americans won't do for slave wages. Name one job that is performed by illegal aliens that Americans simply will not do, even if they are provided with a decent wage.

[brettw22]

Many of the women that do come over are workin like hell to get a baby popped out so that they can get that lil kid titled American and then be granted citizenship that route......

IMO if you pop out a kid in this country and you're not a citizen, you and your newly hospital released healthy baby are welcome to board the bus that has bars and take a one way back home. I don't care if the kid did nothing wrong blah blah blah......play by the rules or go home.........

[BaggedLancer]

IMO if you pop out a kid in this country and you're not a citizen, you and your newly hospital released healthy baby are welcome to board the bus that has bars and take a one way back home. I don't care if the kid did nothing wrong blah blah blah......play by the rules or go home.........
Yikes! these creatures can breed?

screw the edit, they are creatures.

[snow]

Yikes! these creatures can breed?creatures? comments like that are uncalled for. unless you are an american indian. you or your parents or grandparents or great grandparents immigrated here also. does that make them creatures also? because they wanted a better way of life? each and everyone of us here are blessed to be here in this country. whether having immigrated here or born here. that is one of the reasons that america is the great country that it is today is immigrants. a true melting pot of people from all over the world. they are people the same as me or you not animals or creatures.they are people that are here illegaly yes. and i agree something does need to be done about it. and as i suggested earlier the incenitive for individuals and companys here to hire illegals needs to be taken away or it will never stop. when someone is caught having an illegal in there hire fine the hell out of them. so they are afraid to hire another one. this is the only way it will ever be stopped. they wont come if there is no work. REGARDS SNOW

[wodom1]

Apparently illegals can use our court system to sue: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/229148,CST-NWS-ley25.article

[BIZILL]

Yikes! these "aliens"/"creatures" can breed?

un-edited for PC...
yep, and i don't go to the hospital because of the prices having been driven up so high. hello, i live in tucson, az. sorry, snow.

[polksda]

Apparently illegals can use our court system to sue: http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/229148,CST-NWS-ley25.article

Given the way our country is going, I bet $5 she ultimately wins $2 million for "mental anguish", gets to keep the car *AND* not have to pay taxes on it...

Come here illegally, take advantage of our social programs, then sue someone and win the lottery! I love dis country!

[hearingimpared]

No...no! That's a waste of human resources. Catch 'em, send 'em to boot camp, then off to Afghanistan and Iraq. Oh, by the way, no live ammo for the new recruits until they reach their duty station. We don't want to facilitate AWOL new recruits going into the armed robbery business.

What do you think?

I'm sold! They can earn citizenship by doing a tour in Iraq and also given amnesty if they make it out of there. Chances are they would go over to the insurgents and the Islamo-facists anyway.

[hearingimpared]

Yikes! these "aliens" can breed?

edited for PC...


EFFFFF PC!

[PhantomOG]

I guess CP is not PC eh? :p

[hearingimpared]

creatures? comments like that are uncalled for. unless you are an american indian. you or your parents or grandparents or great grandparents immigrated here also. does that make them creatures also? because they wanted a better way of life? each and everyone of us here are blessed to be here in this country. whether having immigrated here or born here. that is one of the reasons that america is the great country that it is today is immigrants. a true melting pot of people from all over the world. they are people the same as me or you not animals or creatures.they are people that are here illegaly yes. and i agree something does need to be done about it. and as i suggested earlier the incenitive for individuals and companys here to hire illegals needs to be taken away or it will never stop. when someone is caught having an illegal in there hire fine the hell out of them. so they are afraid to hire another one. this is the only way it will ever be stopped. they wont come if there is no work. REGARDS SNOW


Sorry snow, I think that criminals should be treated as criminals (creatures) especially ones that think the US owes them something.

[BIZILL]

maybe snow is hearing impaired...:rolleyes:

[hearingimpared]

maybe snow is hearing impaired...:rolleyes:

Nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk, nyuk:D

[Polk65]

Living in Tucson, I'm on the front lines, and I've come to realize the truth is the feds want them here. We in Az try to fight back at the polls. We vote in laws taking away unearned privleges, enact voter ID, and even patrol our own damned borders to help the border patrol. Even our Dem Gov threatened to put the Nat Guard on the border if Bush wouldn't.

So the feds put the guard on the border temporarilly, hire a few extra border patrollers, enact legislation to build a fence and don't fund it. The courts try to rule all our new laws unconstitutional, threaten to lock up citizen patrol groups as domestic terrorists, and have thrown border patrollers in jail for doing their job too well.

It's pretty obvious that both sides want them here for various reasons, and until that mindset changes, there's nothing we can do about it.


I am a first generation immigrant and a proud US citizen, and I am trying to be open-minded and all, but it sickens me to read and hear about incidents like this one. These people are in the country ILLEGALY, and many have criminal records. The CASA called this an “illegal raid”?! hello? These “poor souls” came to the agents themselves! Am I missing something here?

It took my family over 10 years to get here legally, and my mother’s mom and her brother have waited for 20 (!) to see each other again. I don’t want people to go through crap and humiliation only because my family and I did, but let them abide the laws and respect the country they want to live in.

In my opinion the whole situation around illegal immigration in our country is ridiculous and blown out of proportions by politicians trying to win votes. More laws? Aren’t there already enough that are not enforced?

- Val

My parents applied, waited years and were finally accepted. Now we pay into the system of which illegals flaunt the rules. *sic*

[tonyb]

creatures? comments like that are uncalled for. unless you are an american indian. you or your parents or grandparents or great grandparents immigrated here also. does that make them creatures also? because they wanted a better way of life? each and everyone of us here are blessed to be here in this country. whether having immigrated here or born here. that is one of the reasons that america is the great country that it is today is immigrants. a true melting pot of people from all over the world. they are people the same as me or you not animals or creatures.they are people that are here illegaly yes. and i agree something does need to be done about it. and as i suggested earlier the incenitive for individuals and companys here to hire illegals needs to be taken away or it will never stop. when someone is caught having an illegal in there hire fine the hell out of them. so they are afraid to hire another one. this is the only way it will ever be stopped. they wont come if there is no work. REGARDS SNOW

Wish it could happen that way but it won't.Who do you think employ's these people?And the ones that don't have direct ownership,where do you think they send their campaign contributions to ? Follow the money trail and you will always find the culprit.Unfortunatly,getting the people who make the laws to change them and take money out of their pockets is an uphill battle.More and more in this country people are wakeing up to the fact that alot of our problems are inter twined and most come from capital hill.

[BIZILL]

but there is a new dynamic to consider these days. terrorists getting through just as easily as the mexicoans. tell me our government isn't truely behind keeping with the status quo...

[PolkWannabie]

... unless you are an american indian. you or your parents or grandparents or great grandparents immigrated here also. does that make them creatures also?
There's a large difference you seem to have conveniently forgotten/overlooked. There's no trial necessary for illegal aliens as they should not be entitled to anything other then swift exit. Catch and release is total nonsense. We don't need a fence ... What we need are lasers and blackhawks ... You come in through the route you're supposed to or you're toast. This of course will never happen, but if it did the problem would shrink to nothing almost immediately.

[snow]

Sorry snow, I think that criminals should be treated as criminals (creatures) especially ones that think the US owes them something. i never said that illegal aliens should not be treated as criminals. if you commit a crime you are a criminal. and should be treated as such. being described as a creature inferring something other than human. is in my oppinion uncalled for and solves nothing. REGARDS SNOW

[PolkWannabie]

Sorry ... They are not entitled to the rights that criminals who are citizens are entitled to ...

[snow]

Sorry ... They are not entitled to the rights that criminals who are citizens are entitled to ... one of the rights we have here is free speech. and you along with everyone else are entitled to there oppinion. i agree with most of what has been said so far on this matter. yes we do have a problem and we need to fix it. i agree with bill about the medical issues.it needs to change.i think everyone should be entitiled to the same laws and code of justice though. this is my last post on this matter. one thing we all can agree on is our love of music though.:D
REGARDS SNOW

[F1nut]

What we need are lasers and blackhawks ... You come in through the route you're supposed to or you're toast.

Best idea I've heard yet!

[SLOCOOKN]

There's a large difference you seem to have conveniently forgotten/overlooked. There's no trial necessary for illegal aliens as they should not be entitled to anything other then swift exit. Catch and release is total nonsense. We don't need a fence ... What we need are lasers and blackhawks ... You come in through the route you're supposed to or you're toast. This of course will never happen, but if it did the problem would shrink to nothing almost immediately.

OK, Take some of the prisoners and build 2 railway tracks and fence system along the border. They can work the rail road line to help reduce their sentence and learn a trade or 2. They can sleep in the cars as a mobile prison and it moves with the progress.In the meanwhile you are training new MC Army snipers along the border. This will help hone in skills and provide real training. Once the fence is complete you now have new a transportation system from California to Florida. This will ease gas prices and reduce traffic on roadways.

Then any illegal people crossing over will have to work in a mobile prison to fix the fence.

Just thinking out loud!
Steve

[DarqueKnight]

and as i suggested earlier the incenitive for individuals and companys here to hire illegals needs to be taken away or it will never stop.

Excellent point, and actually, that is all there is to it. The sad truth is that this country has always had a sick addiction to slave labor. First it was Europeans sent over here to work in prison labor camps and in "indentured servitude"arrangements, then it was Native Americans (most of whom simply ran away), then Africans, and now it is primarily Mexicans and to a smaller extent Latin Americans and Asians.

It is so unfortunate that the people who are hooked on this so-called "cheap labor" do not realize, or care, that all they are really doing is shifting costs from one segment of society to another. Sure, businesses don't have to pay taxes and other assessments on illegal alien wages, but the increased costs the taxpayer pays in providing healthcare, jail care, education for alien children, increased law inforcement costs, and decreases in residental property values far negates any benefits brought by labor cost savings.

Added to this is the drain on our economy of tens of billions of dollars leaving the country every year because a significant amount of the wages illegal aliens earn is sent back to their native country to support relatives.

[rskarvan]

All illegal aliens are criminals. That is why they are called I-L-L-E-G-A-L.
Send them to jail. But, for fun, put the jail in Cuba and make it nastier than the Mexican jails.

[BaggedLancer]

wow, i just read this thread from this more and my "creatures" comment kinda took off.

I put it back the way it was. F*#$ PC

[SLOCOOKN]

Why do we even have a border crossing check station! Think of how much money we could save if we just shut it down. It's nothing but a dog and pony show anymore!

[DarqueKnight]

Yikes! these creatures can breed?

screw the edit, they are creatures.

Do you have an equally discriptive term for the good citizens who hire these "creatures"?

[Polkersince85]

For anyone still concerned with following the law, the Constitution prohibits indentured servitude, as in forced labor in exchange for citizenship. There is a reason for that. Second, any child born in the U.S. is a natural citizen.

These alone justify stopping them at the border, IMO
We have a House of Congress and a President who refuse to uphold the laws of the U.S. as they pledged ln their oathes of office. We have a problem folks.

[hearingimpared]

Do you have an equally discriptive term for the good citizens who hire these "creatures"?

I do>>>>>>>>>>> CRIMINALS.