DVD Copy

[jakelm]

I have been making copies of the movies I buy for some time now. I ussually make a copy for watching and save the original in my collection.

I use DVD Fab, Clone2 and DVD Clone. These softwares have worked flawlessly for me in the past but now with the new copy protection software on the disk, I am having problems. I get an error almost everytime, saying this dvd has a copy protection error and cannot proceed.

Is there something I'm doing wrong?

Some disk just fly through with a breeze and others I cant save at all.

Any ideas?

Jake

[BaggedLancer]

Be tough to get a valid response to a question like this on this forum since it is illegal in most cases to copy dvds(not so much in your case).

For the most part, it's a trade secret with most people, just google it ;)


EDIT: Better yet, heres something to try. Take the original DVD, and put it on top of the blank DVD and rub the 2 discs together. :D

[PolkThug]

Try DVD Shrink.

[jakelm]

I was hessitent to ask this, I know how dvd copying is a very touchy subject.

But to my knowledge, I am doing a very leagel thing. Keeping the copy for myself..not distributing it ..not reselling it. Its purely for my own ussage. To my understanding of the law, it is not illeagal to make personal "back up" copies of dvd's owned, or is it?

But I undertsand if some dont want to get involved in subjects like this..

[BaggedLancer]

what's your email i'll foward you something later, i have to go to class now

[jakelm]

sent you a pm Bagged.

[jkn]

That's the idiotic thing about copying dvd's - even if it's for your own use as a back up - I believe it's technically still illegal.

I really want to make "compilations" of some of our dvd's we watch often.

I tend to like to fall to sleep to Andy Griffith - my wife prefers Leave it to Beaver. I'd love to make a compilation of favorite episodes going back and forth between shows. (feel free to poke fun at the Andy Griffith/Beaver thing... I'm used to it...). I'd also love to make 'play all' versions of the early MASH seasons - it's not until about season 5 that they figured out adding 'play all' would be a good thing.

I've had DVD Shrink recommended before - I might give that a try one of these days.

[jakelm]

Before I started copying a few years ago..I read the law. It is very shadey in what is leagal and what is illeagal.

My kids damage movies like a train wreck. I would mainly copy the movie for that purpose only.

But now it looks like that is no more with the new copy protection software on the new dvd's.

[PolkThug]

The law is black and white on copying movies. If you copy even just part of a movie, it is illegal, regardless of use.

[jakelm]

I didnt know that pertained to movies I own? I thought backing up a movie you own was leagal?

[jakelm]

Ah well. If thats the law, it isnt worth getting in trouble over.

[PolkThug]

Ah well. If thats the law, it isnt worth getting in trouble over.
wuss :)

[jakelm]

wuss :)

I am..LOL.:p

[Refefer]

I am..LOL.:p

Come on, don't you like big fines and prison? ;)

[jakelm]

Come on, don't you like big fines and prison? ;)


LOL NO...You?

[jsoh7424]

Anydvd (http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html) will defeat any encryption I've come across. Just run it in the background with dvd shrink, and you shouldn't have any problems

[PolkThug]

Anydvd (http://www.slysoft.com/en/anydvd.html) will defeat any encryption I've come across. Just run it in the background with dvd shrink, and you shouldn't have any problems

I think you've won the new Lurker Award. One post every 3 years!

[jakelm]

I think you've won the new Lurker Award. One post every 3 years!


Alot of reading, he does.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I've not run across anything yet that DVDFab Decrypter and the occasional use of VOBBlanker won't handle...

AnyDVD is also nice.

For the encoding, it's best to use a true encoding engine like DVD Rebuilder+CCE as opposed to a transcoding program like DVD Shrink (although DVD Shrink is very nice and handy if you don't need alot of compression.

Check out www.afterdawn.com, lots of good info there.

I believe PolkThug is correct in that it's illegal to make backup copies of movies you own, technically according to the law. Let's just say I'm more of a 'spirit of the law' guy vs a 'letter of the law' guy.

Having said that, there's not a 'backup' copy of a movie that I have that I don't own the original for.

[Roy Munson]

I believe that it's perfectly legal to back-up software that has been legally purchased as long as it's for your personal use and not sold or redistributed.

Get AnyDVD 6.1.1.4 and use it in conjunction with CloneDVD2.

Edit: RipIt4Me is a nice freeware decrypter that works well.

[scottvamp]

Its not the copying software, its having a realiable constantly updated decrypter that is the key. One the best was mentioned above. Sony likes to stump'em. But loves to sell everything you need to copy. ;)

[jakelm]

Get AnyDVD 6.1.1.4 and use it in conjunction with CloneDVD2.



Excuse the stupidity here, but what to you mean "in conjuction with"? I have always just used one program at a time. I never had to use 2 at one time.

[jakelm]

I believe that it's perfectly legal to back-up software that has been legally purchased as long as it's for your personal use and not sold or redistributed.



And thats what I understood as well.

[ledhed]

AnyDVD runs in the background and removes CSS and other copyrights in the background. So, when Decrypter or DVDShrink view the file, it appears that there is no copyright.

It is NOT ILLEGAL to backup copies of movies you own. It IS ILLEGAL for the company to not allow you to make personal backups. As long as the backup is not being used at the same time as the original, it is ok. You own a complete copy and the content on the disc to view at anytime you wish and you own the rights to do whatever you want with it as long as you are not personally benefiting monetarily from it.

If you really get stumped, go to the Doom9 forum at http://forum.doom9.org/

[scottvamp]

Excuse the stupidity here, but what to you mean "in conjuction with"? I have always just used one program at a time. I never had to use 2 at one time.
Read my post. Many have a seperate decrypter. Let me guess, having a problem with Saw III or Open Season.:rolleyes:

[jakelm]

Read my post. Many have a seperate decrypter. Let me guess, having a problem with Saw III or Open Season.:rolleyes:

Yep...:eek:

[ben62670]

I believe that it's perfectly legal to back-up software that has been legally purchased as long as it's for your personal use and not sold or redistributed.

Get AnyDVD 6.1.1.4 and use it in conjunction with CloneDVD2.

Thats what I use with great success, quality, and simplicity.

[jakelm]

Ok..so just start anydvd and run it in the background and run clone just like I would regularly?

[scottvamp]

Make sure you update to 6.1.1.4

[PolkThug]

It is NOT ILLEGAL to backup copies of movies you own. It IS ILLEGAL for the company to not allow you to make personal backups.

Do you have a court case or a new law that supports your claim?


As soon as you use any of the above software to break CSS, you are violating the DMCA, even if you own the original DVD.

[ledhed]

Do you have a court case or a new law that supports your claim?


As soon as you use any of the above software to break CSS, you are violating the DMCA, even if you own the original DVD.

I was speaking of past knowledge which I did not really look into. From what I understand, it is illegal to even break the copyright. Though, the law was passed in 1998 and actually seems to still pertain to CDs also. Wow. I paid for the damn content, it is mine to do as I please as long as I am not reselling or presenting to the public. This really gets me fired up to finish college, become a producer and change all this! (Hopefully :rolleyes: :p ;) )

[jakelm]

You see PT...dont take offence but thats what I ment...its illeagal..it not illeagal..back and forth...I dont think anyone really knows what the law reads...lol

I have seached the web high and low for a definitive answer..I cant find one. Most of it is here say.

I best just leave it alone.

[PolkThug]

You see PT...dont take offence but thats what I ment...its illeagal..it not illeagal..back and forth...I dont think anyone really knows what the law reads...lol

I have seached the web high and low for a definitive answer..I cant find one. Most of it is here say.

I best just leave it alone.

I can lead you to water...

`(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that--
`(A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title;

`(3) As used in this subsection--
`(A) to `circumvent a technological measure' means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner;

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I don't think it's the backing up a DVD that's the issue, I think it's breaking the copyright protection...

[jakelm]

I read the same thing PT....nothing about backing up a disk..

[scottvamp]

Thier should be about 19.8 million people in prison for owning a VCR. Having that "R" recorder was sooo tempting. I never. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.................:D

[PolkThug]

I read the same thing PT....nothing about backing up a disk..

In order to copy a DVD, you have to circumvent the copyright protection, thus violating the DMCA.

[jakelm]

I see

[scottvamp]

I didn't see nothing. I was never on this tread.............. I know nothing.

[ledhed]

But, if you are just making personal copies, you have nothing to worry about. I doubt such a case would come up even less stand in court.

[jakelm]

LOL....Paranoia sets in...

Damn just like when I had a crack habbit.

[Roy Munson]

Excuse the stupidity here, but what to you mean "in conjuction with"? I have always just used one program at a time. I never had to use 2 at one time.

As was said AnyDVD runs in the background and removes the copy protection, while it's doing that use CloneDVD2 to rip the movie to your hard-drive. When done you can use CloneDVD2 or any other DVD burning software to burn the ripped file to a disc.

As far as the movie "Saw2" is concerned I have heard that RipIt4Me has no problem with it, however I have no personal experience with that particular flick..it's just not my thing.

[Polk65]

In order to copy a DVD, you have to circumvent the copyright protection, thus violating the DMCA.

BINGO




Section 1201

Circumvention of copyright protection systems

(1)(A) No person shall circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title.

(2) No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology, product, service, device, component, or part thereof, that—
(2A) is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title

(3) As used in this subsection—
(3A) to “circumvent a technological measure” means to descramble a scrambled work, to decrypt an encrypted work, or otherwise to avoid, bypass, remove, deactivate, or impair a technological measure, without the authority of the copyright owner

Some late night reading
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/
http://www.eff.org/cafe/drmgame/copyright-faq.html
http://www.eff.org/IP/DMCA/copyrightoffice/DMCA_rulemaking_broken.pdf
http://www.publicknowledge.org/pressroom/releases/pressrelease.2005-11-21.2630834896
http://www.eff.org/endangered/list.php

[Roy Munson]

Does anyone here feel that backing up their movies isn't any different than backing up their LP collections of years ago? The record industry nearly went apoplectic when home recording became popular and tried to get bills passed that would prevent the copying of LPs, the movie industry did the same thing when the VCR became common in most homes! Who can remember the movie industry claiming that it will be the end of people going to the theater? They said the same thing about movies playing on cable and when DVDs came out it was the same tired baloney all over again! In the mean time the movie industry is making record profits at the theater and with the sale of the "dreaded" DVDs!!

[jkn]

Remember the "tape and crossbones" logo from a couple decades ago? Home taping is killing music... ;)

It's a long running issue that keeps escalating as new technology comes out.

It's stupid that it's illegal, however, the fear from record labels and movie studios is that as soon as it's legal to make copies - everyone will go out and make copies for all their friends. The sad part is that the illegal manufacturing will continue regardless. As seems to be the rule with most everything - a few bad eggs ruin it for everyone.

[jakelm]

Well...to me its like if I bought an end table. Then went out and bought the same wood and used that end table I bought to help duplicate a new end table, and then have the furniture manufactures tell me, what I have just done was illeagal.

I can uderstand making it illeagal to distribute or sell my copies. But if my copy never leaves my home, who cares how many copies I have?

At first when this whole thing started, I thought the fight was about the profit that could be made on copies.

Now I see it doesnt matter profit or distribution.

But let me ask this: Is it illeagal for me to make a copy of a copy? In which the first copy I didnt buy anyway? And the code was cracked before, so I didnt break the law by breaking the code. :eek:


LOL. Maybe there is a loop hole in this.:p

[bobman1235]

I don't think anyone agrees that it is "right" that the laws are the way they are, or that it makes sense. The DMCA has come under a lot of fire from people who think ti basically tramples all over the entire idea of fair use.

That being said, it still is what it is. Just because you don't like or agree with it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It is illegal to copy a DVD for any reason. It even says it in the FBI warning - "The unauthorized reproduction or distribution of this copyrighted work, even without financial gain, is illegal"