Preamp question

[BamaJohn]

I may be clueless on how to search properly, but bear with me please. I have my eye on a set of Polk LSi9's and a Crown XLS 402 amp. Yes, there are likely better amps out there, but not 400Wx2 into 4 ohms for $279 after rebate. I like plenty of headroom and Crown is a known quantity for me (reliable for 20+ years for church PA system). Need a good, similarly fantastic deal on a decent preamp, please. Not going to spend metric ton of cash on anything, something in the $200-400 range would be best for me. Don't need anything fancy, just good solid 2ch stereo audio, planning eventually to get a SACD player but for now will be used with cheap DVD/CD player (was a gift), Dish TV audio channels, and computer / iPod once in a while.

Figured I'd start with solid speakers and amp, grow from there. I've never had any kind of good home system, though I've been involved in and a fan of car audio SQ for 15+ years.

[ben62670]

Look for a used adcom amp on ebay. Get something like a GFA-545, 555. You can get something decent for about 300 plus shipping all the time. The crown just isn't designed for Hi Fi. They are designed for a totally different environment. As for a pre I would recommend on getting something decent also. I love Adcom amps, but don't really care for their pre's. As for watts that spec means next to nothing in real world Hi Fi. There are many 50 watt amps that would make the crown look like doo doo.

Oh yeah welcome to club Polk

[hearingimpared]

Welcome to the club. . . that's all I got for now!!!

[BamaJohn]

Thanks. Will look for those preamps. I expected not many to approve of my amp choice, but I've heard the combo firsthand--good enough for me.

[Bill Ayotte]

The crown is a pro amp, it is not designed for home use per se......Unless you throw parties with large PA speakers all the time, a crown isn't for you.....The Adcom is a good idea, as well as NAD...They are both high current amps, and the LSi9s need the power from what I have heard....Or, you could go for a integrated....NAD has great offerings as well as many other companies in that range....Cambridge is a choice piece as well from the comments here...Troll the Flea Market man, you will find something there....

[ben62670]

Thanks. Will look for those preamps. I expected not many to approve of my amp choice, but I've heard the combo firsthand--good enough for me.

You are severely limiting the sound quality with that amp. It may go loud, but you might as well hook up some old cerwin vegas to it with that amp. I'm not trying to sound like an audio snob, but that amp is a very bad match for your speakers. Post your general location, and there may be a polkie around you that can show you the potential of your speakers with a decent amp.

[danger boy]

BamaJohn, go with the amp you like.. done deal. while it's true very few people use pro amps for home use.. there isn't any good reason you couldn't.

enjoy.

[BamaJohn]

Location: Birmingham, AL

Please describe for me an amp that would be leaps and bounds better in sound quality for similar money. If it costs 5x more, that's not what I'm in the market for right now. I'm pretty convinced it takes a metric ton of money to make a significant, audible to someone like my wife who doesn't care about audiophile related things, difference. Not trying to be too stubborn, as I would love to be proven wrong and get the right thing for the right money. But I've got firsthand experience with several at least mid-fi amps and the Crown doesn't differ audibly to me with speakers like these.

Either that, or please describe either a HT combo or 2ch combo that would serve me better than the Crown + a separate preamp, for say $400-500, that would give me sufficient power to drive the LSi9s a as they should be driven, and with capability to be rock stable into their 4 ohm load. I would sort of like to have something capable of Dolby Headphone, but that's not a limiting factor as I can buy a standalone unit with that feature. From what I've been reading, finding such a combo under $700 would be difficult, let alone $500.

[ben62670]

Adcom, nad, outlaw, parrasound. Lots of us buy used equipment to help keep the cost down. As for bang for the buck you would be hard pressed to find something better than adcom. I'm not sure what you listen to for music, but to really appreciate what those speakers can do you should really listen to something with lots of acoustics, and female vocals. You can also look at the Adcom GFA-5400. They go for 200 on ebay a lot, and put out 200 clean at 4 ohms. Remember every 3db increase requires double the watts. Not much gain for twice the power.

[dkg999]

If you want to go with the Crown amp, so be it. Audio is a journey, don't be afraid to go against conventional wisdom and experiment. If it doesn't work out for you, I think the Crown's resale pretty well, so you shouldn't be out much.

As for pre-amps, I would suggest looking for a Parasound P/HP-850. You should be able to find a used one for $125 or so. Unfortunately you just missed two I sold on the Flea Market. Other good pre's for cheap include some of the Rotel, and some of the older Kenwood's. You should be able to find one of these in the $75 to $150 range. Good luck!

[BamaJohn]

I'm not sure what you listen to for music, but to really appreciate what those speakers can do you should really listen to something with lots of acoustics, and female vocals.

Well, for classic rock I like Eagles, Boston, ZZTop, Van Halen, Def Leppard. You know, super-high-quality engineering, top notch mastering... :p Dire Straits is good for that, at least.

I've got a bunch of test discs accumulated over the years from Focal, Boston, Chesky, Telarc, and Sheffield Labs. I like everything from pipe organs to orchestral pieces to XM 71 - type jazz, to Johnny Cash. I don't know much about jazz, but just listen to the XM stations and Samford University jazz station, WVSU, and pick out stuff I like to later buy: Euge Groove, Fourplay, Soul Ballet, Jude Cole, Brian Bromberg, Norah Jones. I'm more fond of male vocals and harmonies because I like singing along sometimes, but I like both male and female vocalists. I particularly like small string ensembles, guitar instrumental pieces like the Taylor "Sounds of Wood & Steel" series, and some violin pieces.

Ben, thanks for the PM. I can't reply yet as I don't have 10 posts, but thanks. Can you help narrow me down among the brands you mentioned to some models I can search out?

[F1nut]

One of these, http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?preatube&1182807044, just might make that amp listenable. YMMV

[hearingimpared]

Location: Birmingham, AL

Please describe for me an amp that would be leaps and bounds better in sound quality for similar money. If it costs 5x more, that's not what I'm in the market for right now. I'm pretty convinced it takes a metric ton of money to make a significant, audible to someone like my wife who doesn't care about audiophile related things, difference. Not trying to be too stubborn, as I would love to be proven wrong and get the right thing for the right money. But I've got firsthand experience with several at least mid-fi amps and the Crown doesn't differ audibly to me with speakers like these.

Either that, or please describe either a HT combo or 2ch combo that would serve me better than the Crown + a separate preamp, for say $400-500, that would give me sufficient power to drive the LSi9s a as they should be driven, and with capability to be rock stable into their 4 ohm load. I would sort of like to have something capable of Dolby Headphone, but that's not a limiting factor as I can buy a standalone unit with that feature. From what I've been reading, finding such a combo under $700 would be difficult, let alone $500.

I've seen NAD 2200s for $200 here and on epay. . . you won't get much better for that kind of dough.

[John K.]

John, it's doubtful that you'll need the power that you're talking about, but be that as it may, if you want it , then the Crown is an excellent buy at that price. Pro amps are certainly also designed to meet hifi standards of flat frequency response and inaudibly low noise and distortion and will give you audibly transparent amplification. Presumably you're already familiar with the possibility of fan noise in some circumstances.

[F1nut]

Anti Audio HiFi Insurgent sighting, who's ignorance knows no bounds. :rolleyes:

[Dennis Gardner]

Welcome John! The choice of speaker is the biggest factor in how your rig will sound, so use the amp of your choice as long as it will handle the load of the LSi line. Any Adcom, NAD, Rotel, etc preamp will suffice.

Just food for thought though.................900 watt XLS402 Crown amp weighs 11 pounds while HK's 7300 receiver doing around 900 watts tips the scales at over 60 pounds. I guess they do this so they can hire smaller roadies on tour.;)

[ben62670]

Pretend JohnK is invisable. He hasn't post anything worth reading that I have ever seen.

[george daniel]

Welcome,,alot of good advice,adcom amps, parasound amps and pre should provide good system synergy,and still come in under 700.00. Good luck in your audio journey,, May the Vulcan be with you. :)

[BamaJohn]

Just food for thought though.................900 watt XLS402 Crown amp weighs 11 pounds while HK's 7300 receiver doing around 900 watts tips the scales at over 60 pounds. I guess they do this so they can hire smaller roadies on tour.;)

As I understand it, there's two primary ways to cool an amp. One, with massive heatsinks and no fans. Two, with fans and less heatsinking. I don't think the weight of a given piece of equipment is a reliable predictor of the sound quality possible from it. It may serve as a predictor of reliability or circuit stability, but then again one wonders if a circuit is more efficient with the power it uses and wastes less as heat, perhaps it requires less cooling of either type...

[BamaJohn]

I've seen NAD 2200s for $200 here and on epay. . . you won't get much better for that kind of dough.

I'll check those out. One thing about buying new is I'd have a 3 year no-fault warranty on the Crown.

While everyone's busy telling me what a bad decision I'm making on the amp, I notice few question the speaker choice. Someone tell me what about this particular Crown amp that you've actually heard with your own ears makes it unlistenable, noisy, prone to hum, prone to break, prone to overheat, or subject to audible artifacting and distortion. Is the Crown a poor design, does it use poor quality componentry inside, is it soldered together by one-armed chimps?

Also, is similar disdain heaped on the Behringer A500, or is it in some way superior to the Crown yet still inferior to the Adcoms, Rotels, NADs, etc., of the world.

[skipf]

I power my Lsi-9's wit a Carver M-500t and C-1 preamp. That combo makes the 9's sound great. You should be able to pick up a set of those for around $500-$700. Bear in mind they are approx. 25 years old, but they are pretty dependable and have very clean power. The C-1 preamp has an excellent phono section if you still play vinyl.

[engtaz]

Power supplies are in different classes. A and B have big heatsinks and heat up. Class G or rail have less heatsinks and heat. Most, if in budget, Chose A and B.
ex..
Adcom = Class A/B
Outlaw = Class G/AB Higher watts in G

[hearingimpared]

Power supplies are in different classes. A and B have big heatsinks and heat up. Class G or rail have less heatsinks and heat. Most, if in budget, Chose A and B.
ex..
Adcom = Class B
Outlaw = Class B/G Higher watts in G

I thought Adcom was class A - A/B!

[engtaz]

I type badly and don't spell worth a flip. LOL

[WilliamM2]

And Outlaw makes both Class A/B, and class G/AB, depending on the model.

[heiney9]

As I understand it, there's two primary ways to cool an amp. One, with massive heatsinks and no fans. Two, with fans and less heatsinking. I don't think the weight of a given piece of equipment is a reliable predictor of the sound quality possible from it. It may serve as a predictor of reliability or circuit stability, but then again one wonders if a circuit is more efficient with the power it uses and wastes less as heat, perhaps it requires less cooling of either type...

You have much to learn young grasshopper.

H9

[heiney9]

Power supplies are in different classes. A and B have big heatsinks and heat up. Class G or rail have less heatsinks and heat. Most, if in budget, Chose A and B.
ex..
Adcom = Class B
Outlaw = Class B/G Higher watts in G

Engtaz, there is a big difference between clas A/B and pure class B, just FYI.

Adcom is not class B there are no audio amps that are pure class B. Class B amplification sounds like doo doo.

Acdom is class; A/B Outlaw is primarily class G and H. Lovingly (not by me) referred to as switching amps. Great for compactness and effeciency not so good for top notch sound.

H9

[heiney9]

I'll check those out. One thing about buying new is I'd have a 3 year no-fault warranty on the Crown.

While everyone's busy telling me what a bad decision I'm making on the amp, I notice few question the speaker choice. Someone tell me what about this particular Crown amp that you've actually heard with your own ears makes it unlistenable, noisy, prone to hum, prone to break, prone to overheat, or subject to audible artifacting and distortion. Is the Crown a poor design, does it use poor quality componentry inside, is it soldered together by one-armed chimps?

Also, is similar disdain heaped on the Behringer A500, or is it in some way superior to the Crown yet still inferior to the Adcoms, Rotels, NADs, etc., of the world.

Pro amps in general are not designed for top end "audiophile" sound. They are much like cross-over SUV's in the sense that most aren't hardcore off roading machines. They aren't built that way or intended for that use.

Will the Crown and Behringer and the like suffice, probably. They are designed to be compact, run cool and deliver adequate sonic characteristics. Personally if you are going to use the Crown don't get the LSi's because you won't get the full sonic potential out of them. If you are using the Crown and plan on getting a more "audiophile" sounding amp soon then might make sense. Of course this is all my opinion and you are free to make up your own mind.

Note my signature quote.......pretty much sums up how I feel and why better components yield a more satisfying audio experience. YMMV.

H9

"Appreciation of audio is a completely subjective human experience. Measurements can provide a measure of insight, but are no substitute for human judgment. Why are we looking to reduce a subjective experience to objective criteria anyway? The subtleties of music and audio reproduction are for those who appreciate it. Differentiation by numbers is for those who do not."--Nelson Pass

[heiney9]

Now to be more helpful in answering your specific question.

Adcom (except the GFP-750 which is many many levels above the amp as far as quality and sound)
Parasound (the model dkg999 mentioned is reasonable)
Rotel
Kenwood Basic (Model C1 or C2)
Yamaha (older)
Outlaw
NAD
AMC which is similar to NAD in quality, looks and performance (pretty good bang for the buck factor). Company was started by one of the founders of NAD.


Would all be compatible with the Crown and about the same level of quality as the Crown.

Good luck with your search and putting a system together. I have LSi's and they are fantastic speakers, especially when given quality amplification and source.

H9

FYI-Crown is not a mid-fi amp as you stated. It's a Pro amp and those aren't considered (by anyone I know) to be mid-fi.

[engtaz]

I type badly and don't spell worth a flip. LOL

H9 READ

[heiney9]

ex..
Adcom = Class B
Outlaw = Class B/G Higher watts in G

H9 READ


I did read.........still says on my monitor Adcom = Class B & Outlaw isn't class B either. Just trying to keep the facts straight for others who read this thread now and in the future.

H9

[BamaJohn]

Good luck with your search and putting a system together. I have LSi's and they are fantastic speakers, especially when given quality amplification and source.

H9

FYI-Crown is not a mid-fi amp as you stated. It's a Pro amp and those aren't considered (by anyone I know) to be mid-fi.

Thanks all for your suggestions, help, and opinions.

In the interest of keeping things accurate, note that I didn't say Crown was mid-fi, but rather that I've had experience listening to several mid-fi bits of gear--and therefore I'm looking for reasons why a pro amp would be severly outclassed by the typical mid-fi amp.

For instance, is the Crown XLS series class AB or some inferior design? Does it use inferior grade componentry inside? I've yet to hear anyone break down real reasons, design decisions, AB tests, straight up listening tests on the same speakers, same day, same room, etc., where all the claims of pro=bad are coming from. I've heard analogies, I've heard opinions, but the only people I've heard who have actually tried this particular amp on this particular speaker over on the AVS forum (discovered today) are only concerned with some fan noise. That's a valid point. They've run Maggies, LSi9's, LSi15's, some have set up entire 7.1 systems with multiple Crown amps. Haven't heard them say "this sounds like utter crap and is unlistenable at any volume" but quite the contrary.

Well, the Crown rebate ends Monday so I'll make up my mind one way or the other by then. I'm certain to have a buyer for it if I later decide to upgrade, since they're so useful and well known in PA / Studio / Tour applications.

[heiney9]

Try it and see how it works for you........that's the only way to know. You've heard my opinion on the matter. They are not Class A/B they are what's known as class G or H. It's a cheaper amplifier using cheaper parts as well as a cheaper power supply.

I've heard Pro amps before and in my high resolution system they don't sound good at all and last I checked Pro amp design hasn't changed.

H9

[F1nut]

I don't think the weight of a given piece of equipment is a reliable predictor of the sound quality possible from it.

The weight in heavy amps comes mostly from the transformers and as it all starts with the power supply, therein lies your answer.

[engtaz]

H9
You did not read my reply quote. I quess you just like riping people.

[heiney9]

H9
You did not read my reply quote. I quess you just like riping people.

I wasn't trying to rip anybody. I didn't, and still don't, understand your reply. What does (1) letter (B) have to do with not being able to spell or type :confused: ?

Sorry bud you took it so personally, I just never understood what your reply was getting at. I see you went back and edited the post. I guess that's why I was confused cause I thought you would have fixed it (the one letter) long before I pointed it out.

[engtaz]

H9
I repect you alot and really appreciate your help. I really do type like crap.

[NeilGabriel]

"Well, for classic rock I like Eagles, Boston, ZZTop, Van Halen, Def Leppard. You know, super-high-quality engineering, top notch mastering... :p Dire Straits is good for that, at least."

I might have inserted the quote wrong, but what is a guy with 20+ yrs with the church PA system doing with VanHalen and Def Leppard? Lynyrd Skynyrd I could understand! Not that I would judge anyone mind you.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I run the Crown XTI1000 for my subwoofer....
I plugged it up to a pair of RT55 for giggles.

I sell Crown amps all the time for PA gear - but it is by far the worst sounding amp (as are all PA amps) for Home Audio.

EXTREMELY bright, veiled and overall BLAH. Boomy - just NASTY sounding.

Perfect for sub amps though...

The XLS series is not Class A or B - its like D or H or something like that.

[dudeinaroom]

Back in the day when I was in school i used to DJ the school dances. We used mainly home equipment with a DJ mixer. Well one day the band teacher told us if we wanted to we could use the the two amps they had, we were like woo hoo. One was a peavy, the other a yamaha. We usually used a pioneer receiver, and a yamaha receiver. We hooked every thing up and I went out to the middle of the floor so we could get every thing dialed in. My friend started playing one of our set up tracks and right away he said what do I need to do this does not sound good at all (which he never did before, I was the listening guy). The midrange was just so dry and the highs were overly bright. So I told him to lower the 7khz and 14khz bands on the eq, and bring the 500 and 1khz up. after a second I told him to bring the 7khz band up a little more, he said it was maxed. to make a long story short we went back to the receiver, set the eq back to flat and all was good.

[Yashu]

There is nothing preventing a "pro" amp from sounding good... it's an amp... as long as it has good clean power, low THD, and quick response, it will work. Actually, a lot of pro stuff works great in the home, for instance pro monitors like JBL 44xx series.

I would definately look at finding a pre-amp that is going to inject the "character" you want into your system, because the amp, being for pro use, is not going to have much "character" of it's own. Pro stuff is designed for flat response and often sounds cold and clinical in the home, but if you attach a tubed preamp, you could get the best of both worlds. Check out Bottlehead preamps like the Foreplay... if you don't mind going without a remote. I am assuming this system is for 2 channel. Bottlehead has a huge following on other forums and is regarded as true hifi tube hardware on a budget.

If you think it would be easier to just nix the amp and get a good integrated, I would 2nd the NAD suggestion. You can pick up something like a c372 or c352, or c325bee, or older models with similar power. NAD makes a good pre c162, but I would not recommend it for the pro amp.

[F1nut]

There is nothing preventing a "pro" amp from sounding good... it's an amp... as long as it has good clean power, low THD, and quick response, it will work.

being for pro use, is not going to have much "character" of it's own. Pro stuff is designed for flat response and often sounds cold and clinical in the home

Your word for today is contradiction.

[heiney9]

Pro stuff is designed for flat response and often sounds cold and clinical in the home, but if you attach a tubed preamp, you could get the best of both worlds.

By all means.......get it then, sounds like a winner.

[tonyb]

Your word for today is contradiction.


Jesse.........your the King of this shite.....
and I mean that in the most positively funniest way.

[W WALDECKER]

As said before Pro Amps are good for powering Subwoofers. they lack the desired refinement to successfully power Loudspeakers without severe degradation in sound quality.Do yourself a favor, save your money and buy a Good quality Two Channel Power Amplifier. ;) thanks....WCW III

[dudeinaroom]

if he wants a pro amp let him get one, He said no one could provide an account with experience, and I did. So if he buys a pro amp, and likes the pro amp then let him do it, It's not like we have to listen to it.

[WilliamM2]

He said no one could provide an account with experience, and I did.

He asked if anyone had heard this amp, in a home system, not some old Peavey at a school dance.

The only real way to know, is to try it out. Personally, the fan noise would drive me up the wall, but I hear that can be corrected.

[Bill Ayotte]

I am sure that this amp is not as horrible as some people make it out to be, but for a MSRP of $460.......Or even the deals I found for $299.....You can do better sound quality wise.....That could out you in a nice integrated that would power those LSi9s.....Maybe a nice used Rotel or NAD amp......It won't be my ears bleeding though, so I don't give a shit.

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

I provided an experience of in home use of a pro amp.

It sounded like REAR. BUTT.

Absolutely nasty sounding, and I have the amp above yours.

[tonyb]

If the man likes pro amps,let him have a go at it,he may like it.Do whatever sounds good to your ears.
That being said....I hope your next post isn't one looking for
a replacement tweeter for your speakers.

[BamaJohn]

Thanks all for the constructive posts and otherwise. I do indeed appreciate them. Ok, so the Crown rebate deal is over now, and I haven't bought anything yet. Suppose I find the LSi9's on an even greater discount today (Wednesday 5/2), and suppose I'd prefer if possible to buy a new integrated amp, many have suggested Rotel and NAD. What can be had from them, new, with warranty, under say $500, or is that range used gear only?

[surfntomm]

i just wanted to chime in and say that a pro amp isnt as bad as you guys make it sound i have lsi 7's for my pc rig on a passively cooled pro amp and i think it sounds fine, i did just buy a rotel 980-bx so ill see if there is indeed an upgrade in that department but from what i hear right now its definitely not shit, although i have a feeling there will be some improvement....at least i hope so. The one thing i have learned from pro amps is that power isnt anything when it comes to judging amps, i only got it cus i thought my speakers needed more power (rti70's at the time) but now i feel that quality is more important that wattage bullshit. anyway ill let you know how the new amp sounds and if you havent bought anything by then ill be able to give you my two cents. ps the amp is a samson servo 550

[audioblonde]

1111

[reeltrouble1]

I don't think the weight of a given piece of equipment is a reliable predictor of the sound quality possible from it.

Yikes:eek: no check that double Yikes:eek:

RT1

[audioblonde]

1111

[reeltrouble1]

We really do appreciate your stopping by to set us all straight about pro amps and the marvelous wonders of science they really are.

RT1

[F1nut]

Nothing random about that thought. :D

[audioblonde]

1111

[reeltrouble1]

Nothing random about that thought. :D

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaa:D

RT1

[zombie boy 2000]

You young punk, ya...
Take your ball and get off my lawn RT.

Whippersnapper.

[reeltrouble1]

oh yea, well I tripped on your grass cuz you did not cut it, my dad is a lawyer and will be in touch.

RT1

[zombie boy 2000]

Well, bein's that I fought in the Great War of aught'8, I ain't scert of no fancy-pants book-learned fellas. Now get away from my horseless carriage before I give you what-for.

BAHHHHHHHHH!

[hearingimpared]

Such hostility!You must be a youngster,with such a punk attitude.

A smiley face or some other icon would make this seem more like a joke rather than it seem like you are calling a member a punk!:rolleyes: ;) :D :cool: :p :mad: :eek: :confused: :) :( :o

[Vr3MxStyler2k3]

Pro amps suck.

I have never seen such expensive, piles of garbage in my life. They all sound like ass and they all have the reliability of a Ford Model T. They are built with the cheapest parts possible and are designed with no current reserve. Its just straight, hot sound that sucks.

[reeltrouble1]

yes Sid, but how do you really feel!!!!!!!!!!!!

and what do you know............I mean you only work with them everyday.

HI, don't worry, name calling is a sign of transferance of your feelings. How you actually view your own self efficacy, of course round here its just names, cuz we are all freaks.

RT1

[AndyGwis]

I would go with a nice $300 - $500 integrated for the Lsi9s. Or, get LSi7s, a sub, and then more integrateds in that range can get the job done (7s being supposedly easier to drive).

Nad, Rotel, Music Hall, Musical Fidelity, Arcam, etc. all have several nice offerings in that price range.

I haven't heard Pro amps. There was one guy (I think on Polk Forum or AVS) that talked about the awesomeness of car amps in home audio setups. He had car batteries strapped under his couch or something. I'm serious. No joke. To each his own.

Good luck in your journey. Yours may be a very windy road if you go with a Pro-amp, but straight-aways aren't that much fun anyways.

This thread has been very entertaining, BTW. Good stuff.

[reeltrouble1]

i believe Bama mentioned a NAD, a very fine choice and one of RT1's favorites. I have had the 2600 and 2700 power envelopes, very nice amplifiers at low cost.

RT1

[audioblonde]

1111

[audioblonde]

1111

[F1nut]

53 turning 13. :rolleyes:

[reeltrouble1]

I feel so violated!!!!!!!!!!!!

RT1 is Skeeeeered.

OK, I will be serious for a moment.

But only one moment.

This is the advanced part of the forum, the people here are well versed in all aspects of audio amplification. We have been chatting together for years about all things audio and I mean all.

Enjoy whatever amp you want, I will be holding a large audio event for this club in October, feel free to come and bring your pro amp, I might have a few to match it against for your listening pleasure.

In case you cannot make it, thanks just the same for the knowledge, albiet you might want to try the basic forum, however, its only a recommendation.

Thats my line
Now bite my hook

RT1

[engtaz]

Romper room or diaper roma. Chill, have a cold one, peace out, and have fun Oh I almost forgot make love not war LOL