jolida tube amps and lsi's

[JimBRICK]

I want to put together a value 2 chan set up.
do the jolida products mesh well with the LSI7's?

[Yashu]

Are you thinking of their all tube amps or their hybrid amps.

I would say that you would need one of their hybrid amps to get the power you need for the LSi.

[madmax]

You can use very high powered amps with the LSi7's. Tube power really doesn't cut it with them unless you listen fairly softly.
madmax

[pearsall001]

That's a tough one to call. You'd really have to give one a listen paired up with your 7's to see well how it performs. For what it's worth, I had a 502B running my AAD 2001 monitors, which are very power hungry (86db/8ohm). They sounded wonderful but the 502B didn't have enough "umph" for my liking. I've since moved on to my AVA ss amp & it is a perfect match.

[JimBRICK]

so let me ask this then, for a 2 channel setup what would you pair with the lsi7's?

I was looking at some integrated amps but I thought tubes were the way to go with a 2 channel setup



btw the jolida I was looking at was

JD 1501A
http://www.jolida.com/catalogue/models/jd1501.shtml

[JimBRICK]

oh well I think I found what I'm looking for

http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html


and look at that price

[F1nut]

You're looking at two completely different animals. The 1501 is a hybrid integrated with SS power and a tube pre amp section, which should drive the LSi 7's without issue. The Outlaw is a SS receiver complete with tone controls....UGH!

[engtaz]

I an lost on this thread.

[Yashu]

Don't knock tone controls. As long as it has a defeat they can be mildly useful. I crank them up when I break in a set of speakers, makes break in go a lot faster, but that is about all they are useful for.

Like I said earlier about the hybrid amps, I think they would work, just not the all tube amps. I almost bought one of the hybrids. They are a damn good deal.

[madmax]

I would look towards a higher power seperate amp and preamp to get the best in 2 channel. For about the same price as the outlaw you can find a good used 2 channel 200 to 400 watt amp which would really do a nice job with the 7's. Something of the sunfire/carver nature or other decent class amps. It all depends on where you want to go more than anything else.
madmax

[JimBRICK]

I want to keep this easy to use (wife) and relatively cheap. The outlaw has tons of power and with an all in one usit the wifey can use it too :) Seeing that the 7's are actually 6 ohm they should be easy to power with this integrated. I find theres too much trouble for tubes for me. I want to be able to flink on a switch and away I go.

[madmax]

The Jolida should sound much better if I had my guess. Not sure of the price difference.
madmax

[JimBRICK]

actually the prices were bang on. but with little knowledge of tubes and no one around that I can get to come help hands on, I'm a little gun shy of buying one.

[F1nut]

1. The Outlaw is NOT an integrated amp, it's a receiver. The Jolida is an integrated amp.
2. They are both SS power and both rated at 100wpc @ 8 ohms. The only tubes in the Jolida are in the pre amp section and should easily last 10,000 hours or more. You don't even have to bias them, so what trouble, you've never owned tube gear?
3. Either one one is power up and play, so your wife will be happy.
4. All the help you'll need is right here at Club Polk.
5. The Jolida will sound better.

[JimBRICK]

ok ok f1 lol.
yes I've never had anything tube before but have heard them and think they are more alive
You've sold me on the Jolida which is what I wanted anyways. I was just a little apprehensive because of what I've read here.
I figured the 100w of tube power would be plenty for these speakers

settled done and done. I am ordering that jolida in a few weeks when my speakers are closer to arriving

[Midnite Mick]

There you go.

Having a tube preamp and having tube amps are totally different. A simple tube preamp is hardly no maintenance at all. Just keep a single set of replacements for when needed. It is also fun to do a little research and try other ones if you get bored.

Mike

edit: Jim just beat my post.

[JimBRICK]

so how do different tubes do different things? a tube is a tube isnt it?

[madmax]

http://store.tivocommunity.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=EA&Product_Code=1303&Category_Code=

Is this the same one? I've heard of others buying from this site.
madmax

[engtaz]

wooooo wrong thing to say (tube is a tube is that like saying a speaker is speaker or a sub is a sub) LOL

[madmax]

Different tubes have a slight variation in tonal output. Some are better, worse or different from each other. No biggie but a good way to upgrade some day when you decide you want it to sound a little different.
madmax

[JimBRICK]

AHHHH I get you. Like spark plugs in a car you get different reactions from the way their built

[cfrizz]

You all obviously didn't bother reading the specs of the LSI's 7's

Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 45Hz - 27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 53Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 -150 w/channel
Efficiency 88 dB
Crossover 2.4kHz; HPF 18dB/oct, LPF 12dB/oct.
Inputs Dual 5-way binding posts for bi-amp/bi-wire

These are NOT 6ohm speakers, nor does Polk describe them that way.

Running these speakers on a 50wpc Rotel amp had it frying an egg at the end of the listening session.

Power them properly for best results.

[JimBRICK]

You all obviously didn't bother reading the specs of the LSI's 7's

Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 45Hz - 27kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 53Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 26kHz
Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 20 -150 w/channel
Efficiency 88 dB
Crossover 2.4kHz; HPF 18dB/oct, LPF 12dB/oct.
Inputs Dual 5-way binding posts for bi-amp/bi-wire

These are NOT 6ohm speakers, nor does Polk describe them that way.

Running these speakers on a 50wpc Rotel amp had it frying an egg at the end of the listening session.

Power them properly for best results.


Actually if you've read on the net the people who have actually sat down and rated these after testing them they found they were running at 6 ohms. Check out the november 2006 issue of affordable audio test on them

[cfrizz]

Sorry Jim, but I would think Polk would know why they rated them at 4ohms regardless of what other people tested them at.

Ken I see you on here. Why were they rated at 4ohm?

[JimBRICK]

if it makes you feel you somewhat better... the lsi7 is closer to being rated a 6ohm speaker according to measurements done by stereophile and a fellow forum member.
:p

check out the rating they gave

[madmax]

AHHHH I get you. Like spark plugs in a car you get different reactions from the way their built

Absolutely correct. I could not have come up with a better analogy.
madmax

[F1nut]

It would be worth inquiring at Jolida if the 1501 is rated to drive less than an 8 ohm load. Their site doesn't say.

[jrlouie]

I figured the 100w of tube power would be plenty for these speakers

Just for clarity, this is not 100w of tube power. It is a hybrid (i.e. - 100 watts of solid state power with an internal tube pre-amp to give it that lovely tube sound which can be a very nice combination).

[markmarc]

The JoLida 1501 will have no problem with the Lsi7's. Unfortunately, when I had the 7's in for review they were sent back just a day or so before the 1501A I'm reviewing showed up.

My Onix SP3 Integrated tube at 38wpc a side made the 7's sing. You won't have a problem. Remember, quality power is far more important then quantity power with the LSi's.

[Midnite Mick]

Where is the sentiment that tubes do not work well with the Lsi's coming from. My tubes drove the 15's with no problem at all. They could drive them at db's far greater than most of us could tolerate (room is only 10 x 17 however) and still keep the bass under control.

Thanks,
Mike

[RuSsMaN]

I have no idea Mick. The 9's were demoed at the Lone Star Audio Fest on a Dodd 50w/ch EL34 amp and they sounded great, and played plenty loud too.

[madmax]

It may come from me. I ran the 9's and 15's on a jolida 302 and although they sounded wonderful I would fairly quickly end up bringing them to the point where they started loosing soundstage and back off. I was always thinking if they would just give me a little more I might be happy. I really don't listen very loud either. It was a 22 x 12' room with the speakers about 10 feet apart and me 10' away. No where near the volume of the SDA-SRS with the same amp.
madmax

[JimBRICK]

Remember, quality power is far more important then quantity power with the LSi's.

Yeah, I've learned my watts lesson with this NAD amp I have. My yamaha's I had were all rated WAY more powerful and this nad at 50wpc X5 would blow the yamaha's I had. My rxv1300 was rated at 125 watts per chan and not even close to my NAD

[jderdock]

I'm hopefully going to make myself this debate's guinea pig at some point in the future. I'll probably be demoing the 502B and the 1501RC with the LSi15's.

Jolida is only 30 minutes away, so I can't imagine that would be too difficult.

[JimBRICK]

thats a tour I'd love to have. that and the mcintosh plant

[F1nut]

I'm hopefully going to make myself this debate's guinea pig at some point in the future. I'll probably be demoing the 502B and the 1501RC with the LSi15's.

Jolida is only 30 minutes away, so I can't imagine that would be too difficult.

Good luck getting a decent demo. Jolida's owner, Michael Allen has all the social skills of a great white shark and a mouth just as big.

Be sure to ask him if you can put a plant in front of it.

[Yashu]

Yeah, I've learned my watts lesson with this NAD amp I have.

Me too... Every speaker I have hooked up to my 60wpc NAD integrated gets louder than my ears can handle by the time the volume is rotated to only a 3rd of the way... This includes 4 ohm loads.

Nad makes amazing amps for the money. The OP should consider one like the c352, or c325bee... one of their current integrateds has the c162 pre section, a very nice pre in it's own right.

[jderdock]

thats a tour I'd love to have. that and the mcintosh plant

it's really not much to see...at least not the place in Annapolis Junction.

[jderdock]

Good luck getting a decent demo. Jolida's owner, Michael Allen has all the social skills of a great white shark and a mouth just as big.

Haha

I've definitely had my ear talked off. It's OK...people like that are entertaining.