WTF is going on with society today?

[BaggedLancer]

Maybe this is just bothering me but I have a feeling it bothers others as well.

Lately, I have been noticing more and more radio advertisements for cool technology products saying "Kids, take your parents to come buy you X item" or "Kids, Bring your parents into a local store today to check out all the new stuff."

Is it really getting to the point where kids think they no longer need to work for anything? I mean, im a pretty new school person, 21 years old, but I was brought up the old school way, if I wanted it, I had to earn the money and buy it myself, exactly why I am where I am today. I work 55 hours a week at my full time job, run my own little side business that I work from home at night, and I go to college to graduate next year finally. I can say I have alot of assets but I have quite bit, including MY car, and everything I used to furnish my in-law apartment. Granted I can't afford rent, which is why I live at home, but I still carry my own when it comes to car payments, insurance, cell phone, and any of those bills.

3 of my good friends are on this theory as well. They don't work, they pay for nothing, they live like kings, go on paid vacations from parents, one is getting a brand new $40,000 car next week, and so on....

Call me jealous but it is starting to get obnoxious. I thought the whole idea of getting older is to mature to an adult and act like one. Having no responsibility reminds me of being in middle school when I used to have to beg my parents to buy me parts for my BMX. The crap stopped soon as I turned 15 and I was able to get a job at a local store.

Anyone else notice this growing trend?

[Dennis Gardner]

It started 40 years ago with Saturday morning TV commercials between cartoons for the coolest Barbie/G.I. Joe/Hot Wheels gear. You are simply just now getting old enough for it to sink into your maturing sensibilities.

Wait until the entire generation beneath you seems like spineless, whining, mind-numbed drones. It will happen.;)

[BaggedLancer]

It started 40 years ago with Saturday morning TV commercials between cartoons for the coolest Barbie/G.I. Joe/Hot Wheels gear. You are simply just now getting old enough for it to sink into your maturing sensibilities.

Wait until the entire generation beneath you seems like spineless, whining, mind-numbed drones. It will happen.;)

I hope not......if/when I ever have little ones myself they will never be brought up like that even if the rest of the society can't think on their own.

What really gets me though, is that my friends that are like this think that it's an acceptable way to be.

[hearingimpared]

3 of my good friends are on this theory as well. They don't work, they pay for nothing, they live like kings, go on paid vacations from parents, one is getting a brand new $40,000 car next week, and so on....

Call me jealous but it is starting to get obnoxious. I thought the whole idea of getting older is to mature to an adult and act like one. Having no responsibility reminds me of being in middle school when I used to have to beg my parents to buy me parts for my BMX. The crap stopped soon as I turned 15 and I was able to get a job at a local store.

Anyone else notice this growing trend?

Don't worry when they hit their 30s and all they know how to do is walk around with thier joint in their hand waiting for mommy or daddy to bail them out of their situation because they don't know how to do anything, you will be a successful well adjusted you man who has the world by the nads!

[RuSsMaN]

The downward spiral has already begun.

Learn to swim.

[Dennis Gardner]

The crazy sensibility stuff doesn't stop at childhood marketing though......Lexus just unveiled its money-saving $124k hybrid.

What an effing oxymoron...........:rolleyes:

[steveinaz]

...it's called the "entitlement" generation, and parents preoccupied with being their kids' "pal" (rather than a parent) have caused it.

[Deadof_knight]

I am totallly with Bagged on this issue , our kids friends are like this an we catch hell , my oldest boys friends all drive around in nicer cars than I drive , and their parents paid for these....(WTF).... either they are really well off of really stupid but thats their problem so far our kids havent broke us into submission on these issues and if they want it they can goto work and get it for them selves........we pay for gas to goto school and weve rebuilt old cars , 72 chevy short wide , 70 nova but we own them and they stay at the house we they move out finallt got my 72 back ....they want to go out then go find a job or go mow the back 5 acres or something for 20 bucks but your not gonna just get it for nothing .....my daughter is the worst of them all, she wants to go all week then want more on the week end and gets upset when she gets all done up then asks to go out and she needs gas ........ my wife stops it early I just let her get all done up because its not my problem .....hahahah kinda sick and twisted but sometimes she doesnt get it...

[BaggedLancer]

Don't worry when they hit their 30s and all they know how to do is walk around with thier joint in their hand waiting for mommy or daddy to bail them out of their situation because they don't know how to do anything, you will be a successful well adjusted you man who has the world by the nads!

I don't know if I'd go as far to say that my friends are gonna end up like that....I mean they are all in college getting educations.....but what for? They have no work experience and I don't think they understand what reality is.

One of these friends thought he was going to be making 60k a year right out of college and he can't even get a job that pays 35k with his college degree.

I guess one of my biggest gripes is how can you not feel guilty taking all that money, cars, everything from your parents and give nothing in return? One of my friends gets a certain spending limit a month on a credit card that isn't his and then paypals himself the remainder so he can have it in cash if he doesn't hit the max limit. It really blows my mind, my parents would have been the sh1t outta me if I did something like that. :mad:

[rskarvan]

Society has been going downhill for a zillion generations. The truth is that life is better now than it ever has been in the history of the world... and, its only getting better!

[engtaz]

My 3 kids have had various chores since they were 4 years old. Started with silverware then dishes, then laundry and then sweeping. also dog care. They are giving a allowance that they buy what they want. Not all are raised that way.

[cfrizz]

That means Dennis that it is OUR generation that did a horrendous job of raising BL's generation.

And if what you say is true, BL's generation will continue the downward spiral of useless human beings!

It started 40 years ago with Saturday morning TV commercials between cartoons for the coolest Barbie/G.I. Joe/Hot Wheels gear. You are simply just now getting old enough for it to sink into your maturing sensibilities.

Wait until the entire generation beneath you seems like spineless, whining, mind-numbed drones. It will happen.;)

[BaggedLancer]

That means Dennis that it is OUR generation that did a horrendous job of raising BL's generation.

And if what you say is true, BL's generation will continue the downward spiral of useless human beings!

Hey don't be calling me useless! I know where you live!(which I still haven't had 5 minutes to visit your audio setup :( )

[cfrizz]

Ooops, Sorry Mark! You are one of the few that was raised right & has his act together. I'm talking about people like your friends who will most likely never grow up & think that everyone should give them what they want rather than have to work for it.

They in turn will have kids & raise them to be just as useless since they won't know any better.

Well whenever you find that five minutes, just let me know.:)

[BaggedLancer]

I guess I should clarify I have no problem with kids who get whatever they want from their parents within reason as long as they DO SOMETHING to earn it.

I.E. help your dad paint the entire house or something like that and ask for $50 to go out for the night.....

To be honest, I love having a job and earning my own way. Nothing is more gratifying right now than seeing that paycheck direct deposited every 2 weeks and distributing it to my different accounts to earn interest, pay bills, or spend as I please.....I guess that's not normal for most people my age to enjoy.

[trubluluc]

Marketeers...have figured it out.
They can command your attention on the radio or tv for maybe a 30 second timespot, to hawk their stuff.
But if they get your kids to fully embrace a product, they will have succeeded in placing a salesman in your house to nag you relentlessly,
until you buy their product just to shut the kids up.

the dark force is amongst us,

-Luc

[janmike]

Totally agree. I have an example.
The people back of me just had a load of gravel delivered to their house. There is both Mom and Dad (both in their mid 40's) out there slugging it with wheelbarrow and shovel. Where is the lazy ass teenager? Probably still sleeping off his all night party haze. Get his ass out of bed and put him to work. But, it's not my kid.

I am no perfect parent but when I got home today from grocery shopping I had my little guy to help me carry the bags inside. He’s 8. He will clean up his room (play and sleeping – 2 rooms) today and will probably help me clean the car today as well. He likes to do things with me. When the little chores are done he can play. Yes there are times when both my wife and I have to push him to do things on his own, but we know he will be a better person down the road. What is he going to do if he goes to college or begins to work and has no work ethic. I hate to say it, but the majority of young people today are lazy. It's not their fault, it's the parents. I said the majority, not all, as I know we have a lot of young people here who earn their way, so take it for what it's worth. Crack the whip I say.

[BaggedLancer]

Here's a question though, if you were in my shoes, seeing my friends walking down this wrong road.....would you step in and say "wake the F up, there are others around you that earn their way" or would you just let it slide and keep putting up with it.

[engtaz]

I would talk to them about how they are going to live on their own and how do they plan to survive.

[danger boy]

Here's a question though, if you were in my shoes, seeing my friends walking down this wrong road.....would you step in and say "wake the F up, there are others around you that earn their way" or would you just let it slide and keep putting up with it.

BL, you can say something to them.. but in reality.. they love their hand everything to me on a silver platter lives.. they won't change.. and that's just sad.

Two of my younger coworkers are pretty similar to some of your friends.. I have two coworkers that although they don't live at home with their parents. their parents have set them up in really nice apartments and purchased nice cars for them. One is a year old Lexus and the other coworker of mine got a new A4 Audi. So with parents buying them the big stuff.. they don't have to pay for anything but gas, insurance, food, entertainment.. etc.

I'm glad i wasn't raised that way... and I appreciate when I see responsible young people who were brought up right.

[BaggedLancer]

BL, you can say something to them.. but in reality.. they love their hand everything to me on a silver platter lives.. they won't change.. and that's just sad.




Ya, I'm not going to say anything to them even though they aren't living in reality......fantasy worlds must be fun. :confused:

[Shizelbs]

Its not just the children. I'm shocked at how whiney and unappreciative and entitled people claim to be at my pharmacy. Its just amazing.

[hearingimpared]

...it's called the "entitlement" generation, and parents preoccupied with being their kids' "pal" (rather than a parent) have caused it.

BINGO!!!!

[hearingimpared]

I would talk to them about how they are going to live on their own and how do they plan to survive.

WHY?

[BaggedLancer]

So I was just talking to one of these "friends" about how disgusted I was about that radio commercial and her words were "Whats so bad about that" and "typically kids don't have that much money for things like that".

And she ended it with saying "Things are different today than they used to be when our parents were growing up, this is the way society goes" to which I replied "Yea, and those people learn nothing all their lives, have no responsibilities and are useless people." She agreed :confused:

The whole situation is beginning to make me throw up in my mouth a little bit. :mad:

[rskarvan]

Again, the premise to this entire thread is absolutely incorrect. These are wonderful days and things are absolutely as they were intended to be. Its a fabulous thing that people don't even have to grow up until the age of 30. It used to be (in the 1800's) that people couldn't even finish High School because of obligations for survival.

STOP BEING SO DARN NEGATIVE!!!

[BaggedLancer]

Again, the premise to this entire thread is absolutely incorrect. These are wonderful days and things are absolutely as they were intended to be. Its a fabulous thing that people don't even have to grow up until the age of 30. It used to be (in the 1800's) that people couldn't even finish High School because of obligations for survival.

STOP BEING SO DARN NEGATIVE!!!

did you forget the or were you actually serious? :confused: :confused:

I hope you were joking because not growing up till the age of 30 is pretty rediculous.

[engtaz]

as friends, you help each other out.

[sucks2beme]

The local HS parking lot is full of nicer cars than I
drive(1998 F150).:confused:
When I was a kid, money was tight. My parents grew up in the depression.
They didn't throw anything out. I just cleaned out my mom's basement
a year ago, and there was stuff there that was worthless when I was a kid
in the 60's. No credit cards. Only loan they ever had was a mortgage on the farm.
The question is, is that better or worse. We all worked hard for our kids to have a
better life than we had. Now that we're there, we bitch because our kids enjoy it?
The real answer is somewhere in between the two extremes.
I still have trouble buying NEW audio equipment. I wait for used cash deals.
Such is the nature of the way I was raised.

[danger boy]

honestly... who would want to live with their parents till they were 30 yrs old? then what? suddenly they are finally old enough to leave the nest?

Isn't having your freedom from your parents every kids dream anymore?

of course not all 30 yr old kids that still live at home are bad.. some because of circumstance have put them back in their parents home.. hopefully it only till they get back on their feet. I have problems though with those kids/adults that have never moved out of their parents house and continue to mooch off said parents.

[BaggedLancer]

So with the replies from rskarvan and sucks2beme, which is the way it should be?

Are we in the wrong for thinking what they are doing isn't right, or is this the way that parents want their kids to be?

[tom t]

steveinaz hit it right on the mark!! the me me me generation. its all going to come crumbling down some day, and we are all going to have to pay for it all. im pissed!!

[danger boy]

We all worked hard for our kids to have a
better life than we had. Now that we're there, we bitch because our kids enjoy it?

Well. no one here doesn't want their kids to have a good life.. a fun one, but on the same token.. those kids/adults aren't being held accountable for anything these days. They float through life and expect to be handed everything.

Whatever happen to being a responsible adult when you turned 18? Sure there will always be those f*ck ups that never learn.. but more and more I'm coming into contact with adults that are either still in school at 30 yrs old, or live at home with their parents and don't have any responsibilities at all.

I'm with you sucks... i work next door to a high school. and about 75% of them all have nicer newer cars than i do. :eek: :mad: :p

[tom t]

its funny, kids today have 100 times more then what we had, computers,video games,and so on. but our gereration seems to be happer. its like having everything is not enough.

[sucks2beme]

I'm with you sucks... i work next door to a high school. and about 75% of them all have nicer newer cars than i do. :eek: :mad: :p

No perving out, I hope? The dress code leaves a little bit to be desired.:eek:

All generations make their mistakes. Mine should have dealt with the energy problem after the 70's shortages. Instead, we drive bigger vehicles now than ever. And that's with smaller families(who has 5 kids nowadays?).
I know they have access to information on a level that was unheard of
a few years ago. Maybe they will yet pull it together and make things work.
There are groups that take the "old way is better" approach to extremes.
See the extremists in the Middle East to know how far it can go.
Most kids now question old ideas. This could be a good thing or bad.
I try to challenge my kids to do things better. That's about all I can do.

[danger boy]

its funny, kids today have 100 times more then what we had, computers,video games,and so on. but our gereration seems to be happer. its like having everything is not enough.

agreed. today's young adults need decent stereo gear.... not this use it for a year and toss it out crap.

I guess that's why I am attracted to older stereo gear from the 70's.. it's still around and working and looking and sounding good.. I'd like to see a IPod 30+ yrs from now still in working condition after hours upon hours of use. It ain't gonna happen. :D

[hearingimpared]

Again, the premise to this entire thread is absolutely incorrect. These are wonderful days and things are absolutely as they were intended to be. Its a fabulous thing that people don't even have to grow up until the age of 30. It used to be (in the 1800's) that people couldn't even finish High School because of obligations for survival.

STOP BEING SO DARN NEGATIVE!!!

You have got to be kidding, right?

[janmike]

Well, I guess that post just about firms things up.

[hearingimpared]

as friends, you help each other out.

If my son were asking me the questions BL is asking I would say;

It is not a friends responsibility to do what said friend's parents should have been teaching them all along.

My advise, find new friends because when their parents cut them off or they finally have to shit for themselves, they will look to you to support them.

[BaggedLancer]

My advise, find new friends because when their parents cut them off or they finally have to shit for themselves, they will look to you to support them.

It has already started unfortunately. They always want me to drive because I drive the nicest car out of all of them for now and in my opinion they feel that driving around in a nice car improves their image. Finally last night I said no more because I've been spending $45 twice a week on gas for work and leisure and I know that they don't spent $1 a week on gas. I am definately not the person to ask for gas money but enough is enough for a while.

When we go out to dinner one of them always gets his part of the bill put on his credit card(not really his) and then lets us pay the rest cause he never has cash.

All my friends parents are all in their 50s so I know they had to have grown up in a time earning their own stuff, wtf happened between then and when they had their kids?

I'm glad I posted this cause it's gotten quite a few interesting replies.

[hearingimpared]

Just a side bar here. . . this is how effed up this generation coming up is; a late 20s to early 30s young woman (loosely using that term) hits me with a car and blames me for her eff up, and accuses me of all kinds of low life things!

Just and example of how, "These are wonderful days and things are absolutely as they were intended to be. Its a fabulous thing that people don't even have to grow up until the age of 30. It used to be (in the 1800's) that people couldn't even finish High School because of obligations for survival." quote == >rskarvan

Had this woman been brought up like a decent human being, she would have been concerned for my well being instead of the, me me me me generation crap she is now exhibiting. Her mind and thinking has been absolutely corrupted beyond repair.

[hearingimpared]

its funny, kids today have 100 times more then what we had, computers,video games,and so on. but our gereration seems to be happer. its like having everything is not enough.

That is because free stuff is worth NOTHING!!! When you earn things they have more value, a person has more self value because they do the earning.

[rskarvan]

Hmmm... 1972.... Vietnam War, LSD, Watergate, Kennedy Shot, etc.

Yep.... things are better than before.

[Shizelbs]

I don't understand why there is so much anger and disspointment shown towards the children. Its the parents raising them, developing and guiding their values and purchasing all the fun things for their children.

What child would turn down an iPod? Are they going to sit there, think it over for a few days and decide whether or not they really deserve it? Its ulitmately up to the parents.

[BaggedLancer]

Hmmm... 1972.... Vietnam War, LSD, Watergate, Kennedy Shot, etc.

Yep.... things are better than before.

Hmmm....2007.....Afganistan, 9/11, Iraq, Terrorism, OxyContin, School Shootings, Anthrax etc.

Yep.... things are better than before.


You proved nothing. The world's still F'd up. Sorry play again.


Edit: Added a few more.

[Shizelbs]

OxyContin


Oxycontin? You mean the drug abuse? Or the sales reps and their false claims? Or the viable option for around the clock pain control?

[BaggedLancer]

Oxycontin? You mean the drug abuse? Or the sales reps and their false claims? Or the viable option for around the clock pain control?


Drug Abuse.....atleast around here anyway.

[Shizelbs]

Drug abuse isn't anything new. Anyways, I think one could go back year by year and make pretty comparable lists of current problems from that specific time.

[BaggedLancer]

Drug abuse isn't anything new. Anyways, I think one could go back year by year and make pretty comparable lists of current problems from that specific time.

Exactly my point, unless I took rskarvan's post wrong, things aren't better than before. If anything, they are worse....significantly worse.

[Shizelbs]

If anything, they are worse....significantly worse.

Well, thats where things get debatable, and I'm going to leave that debate to the rest of you.

[Dennis Gardner]

Life is more advanced than ever, as far as technology goes. We live longer, healthier lives than ever. I doubt we are happier, since no amount of $$$ or stuff seems to bring true happiness.

I have found that I tend to learn more from failures than success, and like the stuff I buy when I have to sacrifice a little to get it.

Easy come, easy go, doesn't bring much contentment.

[sucks2beme]

Exactly my point, unless I took rskarvan's post wrong, things aren't better than before. If anything, they are worse....significantly worse.

Every generation has felt its the end of the world. Imagine the depression,
the re-arming of Germany, communists taking hold in the U.S.
Ever see the Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden? There's a chilling sight.
History channel showed film clips of it from 1939.
For my generation- the cold war, Nam, aids, drugs. The drug problem
is one we created. We thought drugs were cool. NOT! The prisons
are full of users and small time dealers supporting their habit.
The question is, will the current generation overcome the obstacles of their
own making? Only time will tell.
Are they a rude bunch? You betcha.
But were we really any better? We looked down on minorities and gays.
Women were not allowed into many jobs and horribly underpaid.
Just a matter of perspective.

[rskarvan]

Even the Roman Empire fell. Perhaps America isn't at the peak of its game anymore. Perhaps not. In any event, I'm not going to let any worry's about today ruin my attitude. Afterall, your own attitude is all we can really, truly control.

Dennis, you are wrong,.... $$$ and stuff are the secret to happiness!!!

[Face]

Its not just the children. Bingo! Look at the parents, media, politicians, that are making children like this.

Nobody likes to take responsibility for their actions anymore, it's always someone else's fault.

[hearingimpared]

Hmmm... 1972.... Vietnam War, LSD, Watergate, Kennedy Shot, etc.

Yep.... things are better than before.

Things might be, but the me, me, me, generation is not!

[Fireman32]

For what i see everyday is the work ethic has changed. Where I work almost everyone is younger than me..Including all of my bosses. I see the people at my job who are there just to collect a paycheck. They could care less if there doing a good job just good enough not to get fired. I am now in a new position of quality assurance and have to monitor these people do customer service and I want to strangle almost everyone of them. Then when I go out into the parking lot these 21 year old kids are getting into brand new cars. I know they cant afford them on there own and mom and dad bought it for them. Me I started working as soon as I was old enough. I was basicly working full time when I was 16 and going to school. I wanted something I had to work for it. When I was younger my mom didn't do my laundry. I did as soon as i was tall enough to reach the controls and learn. I'm happy with the way my parents raised me but unfortunatly I dont see kids today like the way i was and the rest of my friends back in the day.

[danger boy]

what will today's "entitlement" generation be known for in the history books?

Just throwing this out there. What have the youth of today as a whole accomplished?
Sure they will be our future leaders, doctors, politicians, teachers, mass murderers, pedophiles, maybe even a scientist to cure cancer or some other incureable disease we know today.

I honestly can't think of what today's generation will be known for.. at least not in a positive light anyways.

I guess you could say it started in the 1980's.. the decade of excesses.. continued through the 90's...and it stronger than ever now that those parents of the 80's have children... the lifestyle of excesses continues on. .02

[tom t]

much of what is said here may be true but there are execptions. lets not find fault with every kid out there,there are also alot of bright,hard working kids also that do pay their own way. i happen to be blessed with three kids that just about paid their way through collage, saved for there own car's and have decient jobs. maybe im lucky,but i did teach them not to expect everything to be handed to them. and i think they appreciate how hard they worked for everything they have. god bless them

[Fireman32]

much of what is said here may be true but there are execptions. lets not find fault with every kid out there,there are also alot of bright,hard working kids also that do pay their own way. i happen to be blessed with three kids that just about paid their way through collage, saved for there own car's and have decient jobs. maybe im lucky,but i did teach them not to expect everything to be handed to them. and i think they appreciate how hard they worked for everything they have. god bless them


Not trying to find fault with every kid out there. I'm just going by what I see everyday. It's great that you have three kids that have a great work ethic and i'm sure it has to do alot with the way you raised them.

[tom t]

i was just adding to the discussion, no blame for anything

[Bill Ayotte]

I have been saying this about my fellow worthless shithead men/women of my generation....I always wondered on what planet it was ok to leech off of your parents until you put them in financial peril, unable to retire because they did not plan on having your leech ass in the house 12 YEARS AFTER turning 18.....I always get ridiculed when I go home and say something about a couple of my "friends" doing this......I had a real hard time not slapping some of these people who made fun of me for having a life and a REAL job....God forbid they ever do anything besides wake up and smoke a bowl. I refuse to go out with certain people because i always end up picking up the tab...The onyl way I have found around that is to "forget" my wallet...It kills me.I see examples of future stupid people everyday...The kids who play in the street in front of my house literally looked at me like I was wrong when I wanted to drive on it....Literally stared at me, then went back to playing like nothing was wrong, WHILE their parents watched this! I finally honked my horn, and what response do i get? I get a dirty look from two parents, and one feels the need to walk up the block and tell me it was "uncalled for" and that I NEED TO LEARN TO BE PATIENT, THEY WILL MOVE OUT OF THE WAY WHEN THE PLAY IS OVER! This is after I was told that they have the right of way....THEY DON'T. I contacted the police and was told that if they acknowledge my presence and continue to block the road it is illegal....Just for the record, I sat there for a good five minutes before I raised the bullshit flag....

[tom t]

i agree with many comments here, i see it every day. we all see it every day. its very frustrating for us all who have been towing the rope for a long time now and seeing many today not willing to do so. im sure alot of us feel sorry for our own kids for what they might have to endour as they get older in life.

[joeparaski]

If I had the money I WOULD buy my daughter a new Audi because she DESERVES it! She has proven it over and over again, she is 21, responsible, works, and buys her own stuff. It is ME that keeps getting her things without her wanting them. Hey, BaggedLancer....I will adopt you if you want, just make sure you bring your gear with you. :D :D

Joe

[phipiper10]

When I see messed up/lazy kids/young adults, I always think to myself, "Some peoples children".

I blame the parents.

Sure everyone needs to take responsibility for their own actions...but the issue is parents aren't teaching responsibility.

Hey, if nobody made you get job and you were handed cars and money ...why would you...you wouldn't have known another way.

Just like kids who grow up working..they understand working hard getting money, making their own way. Not working and freeloading would be just as foreign to them as working two jobs to these kids who have everything handed to them.

[Bill Ayotte]

If I had the money I WOULD buy my daughter a new Audi because she DESERVES it! She has proven it over and over again, she is 21, responsible, works, and buys her own stuff. It is ME that keeps getting her things without her wanting them. Hey, BaggedLancer....I will adopt you if you want, just make sure you bring your gear with you. :D :D

Joe

The difference here is that she is supporting herself, and you would like to reward her because you can afford it, and you are proud of her accomplishments.....I am referring to all of the snot nosed shitheads that tell me I need to spend all kinds of $$ to mod my car, but mommy and daddy pay all of his bills, and not only did they give him his car, they pay for all of the mods too....I apologize for having to support myself, you worthless detriment to society, go smoke another bowl with the bong mommy and daddy bought you..

[Bill Ayotte]

When I see messed up/lazy kids/young adults, I always think to myself, "Some peoples children".

I say the same thing everyday....For some reason, people my age feel like the world owes them something just for existing....Most of them look at people like me, who has been on my own since I was 18, went overseas, generally has a real job and a life outside of my hometown and wonder why I am so angry with all of them...I could give a f$^k less what your ignorant opinion of the war is, what your opinion of me is, and most of all, what your ignorant ass thinks needs to be done to fix it all....If you had any clue on how to do any of this, or even conceptualize what it takes for all of those ignorant ass "thoughts" of yours to become a reality, you certainly wouldn't be 25 living in your parents basement being a general drain on society...I need a drink.

[BaggedLancer]

If I had the money I WOULD buy my daughter a new Audi because she DESERVES it! She has proven it over and over again, she is 21, responsible, works, and buys her own stuff. It is ME that keeps getting her things without her wanting them. Hey, BaggedLancer....I will adopt you if you want, just make sure you bring your gear with you. :D :D

Joe

Sounds good Dad. :p

But maybe it should be my friends that your are adopting......they are the ones that need the wake up call. ;)

[hearingimpared]

what will today's "entitlement" generation be known for in the history books?



The generation that let the Islamo-facists walk in and take over the country without firing a shot because "someone else should take care of this"!!!

[hearingimpared]

I say the same thing everyday....For some reason, people my age feel like the world owes them something just for existing....Most of them look at people like me, who has been on my own since I was 18, went overseas, generally has a real job and a life outside of my hometown and wonder why I am so angry with all of them...I could give a f$^k less what your ignorant opinion of the war is, what your opinion of me is, and most of all, what your ignorant ass thinks needs to be done to fix it all....If you had any clue on how to do any of this, or even conceptualize what it takes for all of those ignorant ass "thoughts" of yours to become a reality, you certainly wouldn't be 25 living in your parents basement being a general drain on society...I need a drink.

Easy big fella. . .they are not worth a drop of anger or concern sweat.

[BaggedLancer]

I say the same thing everyday....For some reason, people my age feel like the world owes them something just for existing....Most of them look at people like me, who has been on my own since I was 18, went overseas, generally has a real job and a life outside of my hometown and wonder why I am so angry with all of them...I could give a f$^k less what your ignorant opinion of the war is, what your opinion of me is, and most of all, what your ignorant ass thinks needs to be done to fix it all....If you had any clue on how to do any of this, or even conceptualize what it takes for all of those ignorant ass "thoughts" of yours to become a reality, you certainly wouldn't be 25 living in your parents basement being a general drain on society...I need a drink.


None of that comment was directed at me right? Especially the "If you had any clue on how to do any of this, or even conceptualize what it takes for all of those ignorant ass "thoughts" of yours to become a reality, you certainly wouldn't be 25 living in your parents basement being a general drain on society...I need a drink"

[BaggedLancer]

The difference here is that she is supporting herself, and you would like to reward her because you can afford it, and you are proud of her accomplishments.....I am referring to all of the snot nosed shitheads that tell me I need to spend all kinds of $$ to mod my car, but mommy and daddy pay all of his bills, and not only did they give him his car, they pay for all of the mods too....I apologize for having to support myself, you worthless detriment to society, go smoke another bowl with the bong mommy and daddy bought you..

I'd like to meet your daughter.....that's exactly who I'm looking to meet. :D

[hearingimpared]

None of that comment was directed at me right? Especially the "If you had any clue on how to do any of this, or even conceptualize what it takes for all of those ignorant ass "thoughts" of yours to become a reality, you certainly wouldn't be 25 living in your parents basement being a general drain on society...I need a drink"

Don't you start the me, me, me now BL !!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:D ;) :p

[BaggedLancer]

Don't you start the me, me, me now BL !!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA:D ;) :p

HEY! I thought in this society it's the cool thing to jump on the bandwagon!

What happened to the "if it's free it's for me!"

[Bill Ayotte]

The generation that let the Islamo-facists walk in and take over the country without firing a shot because "someone else should take care of this"!!!

My thoughts exactly. Too many chiefs, not enough indians in a sense. No one will stand up and fight, just tell you their ideas on how SOMEONE ELSE should fight. I am sorry for all of the rants, but this hits a little close to home...I am constantly told what needs to be done in Iraq by people who not only have NEVER been there, but people who could NEVER do what I have done or what I do. Not that they are physically incapable, but they are mentally not capable to follow or lead in any capacity...These are the children that are now entering the job force...What they do not realize that by trying to express their individualism they are all the same..I do not subscribe to political correctness, and if someone wants to kill me, they are going to have a hell of a time...

I think a testament to this mentality is the Virginia Tech massacre....I am not trying to offend, but to simply point out something. The only person to resist was a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps...Instead of helping, people jumped out of the damn window. One person CAN make a difference in this situation, no matter how you argue it...This "future of society" has NO CLUE what it means to be selfless, to put the greater good (in this case, that would mean taking down the nut case) before their personal safety...I know why that professor made a go at him too....After living through a concentration camp, the last way I would be trying to go out is by the hand of some shithead kid....He went through entirely too much in his lifetime to get killed that way. It is a shame.The real shame is that no one tried to help him. NO ONE! WTF! I know I have training, etc.....I also know that I have always had this mentality, I WILL NOT be killed by some ass-clown who has a chip on his shoulder because he is/was not popular...Your girlfriend dumped you, deal with it....I got cheated on while I was in Iraq....I was pissed, but I got over it. She doesn't like you, leave her alone. I'll send you a video of how much she likes me...:D

I digress.....Again, this is not meant to offend, but there are a lot of things that really get to me about most people my age.......

[BaggedLancer]

Just curious, how old are you bill?

[Bill Ayotte]

Just curious, how old are you bill?

I'm 25....None of that was directed at anybody.....Just ranting...

[BaggedLancer]

gotcha, couldnt telll if you were 18, 55, or somewhere in between.

[BaggedLancer]

None of that was directed at anybody.....Just ranting...


Good, cause I live in my parents basement which is a renovated in-law furnished by me.......just a place to stay till I finish college and can get out on my own.

[cfrizz]

God Bless YOU!!! If you didn't put your kids on the right path they would be lumped in with the rest we are complaining about! Hopefully, your kids will raise their kids in the same way.

much of what is said here may be true but there are execptions. lets not find fault with every kid out there,there are also alot of bright,hard working kids also that do pay their own way. i happen to be blessed with three kids that just about paid their way through collage, saved for there own car's and have decient jobs. maybe im lucky,but i did teach them not to expect everything to be handed to them. and i think they appreciate how hard they worked for everything they have. god bless them

[Bill Ayotte]

Good, cause I live in my parents basement which is a renovated in-law furnished by me.......just a place to stay till I finish college and can get out on my own.

There is nothing wrong with that. You are going to school man. I was ranting about people who live in the basement who are doing nothing besides smoking pot and being a drain on their parents wallets and society. There are a lot of people going to school and living at home, and I actually think that is a great idea, you save a lot of $$ if you are able. I thought about going back to school when I get out of the Army, but I couldn't deal with a dorm situation, and I couldn't afford to work part time and still have a decent apt. to myself....I currently share a 2500SF house with a friend of mine, and to have to condense into a dorm or efficiency apt. would kill me. I have too many toys.:D

[BaggedLancer]

There is nothing wrong with that. You are going to school man. I was ranting about people who live in the basement who are doing nothing besides smoking pot and being a drain on their parents wallets and society. There are a lot of people going to school and living at home, and I actually think that is a great idea, you save a lot of $$ if you are able. I thought about going back to school when I get out of the Army, but I couldn't deal with a dorm situation, and I couldn't afford to work part time and still have a decent apt. to myself....I currently share a 2500SF house with a friend of mine, and to have to condense into a dorm or efficiency apt. would kill me. I have too many toys.:D

Exactly why I live home.....the first time my first roommate refused bounce for a while so I could spend some "personal time" with my girlfriend at the time I decided dorms and apartments weren't the place for me.

I can afford plenty of toys and fun stuff right now but could never even think about moving to my own place as much as I'd love to...it's just not an option right now.

On the other hand, one of my friends mentioned earlier had an apartment that was $3200/month split 3 ways that included nothing, no ultilities. Parents foot the bill. If those were my parents I would have said buy me a house and spend that money on the mortgage.....atleast you have something to show for it at the end.

[cfrizz]

I don't have an issue with you living at home Mark. It is too expensive out there to get an apartment on a starting salary with all the other expenses entailed with it, without having a dozen roomates!

Now hopefully you are being smart and banking what you can after expenses so that you can afford to move out when you finish school.

If not, do find time to drop by so that I can knock some sense in to you!;) :D

Good, cause I live in my parents basement which is a renovated in-law furnished by me.......just a place to stay till I finish college and can get out on my own.

[BaggedLancer]

Now hopefully you are being smart and banking what you can after expenses so that you can afford to move out when you finish school.

If not, do find time to drop by so that I can knock some sense in to you!;) :D

No sense knocking needed here......I bank atleast 30% of every paycheck, finished paying off all my credit card debt from last year when I had a half ass job after my surgeries all year.

Basically work my full time job at Gillette and do my own part time company at night when I come home.

[Bill Ayotte]

Exactly why I live home.....the first time my first roommate refused bounce for a while so I could spend some "personal time" with my girlfriend at the time I decided dorms and apartments weren't the place for me.

I can afford plenty of toys and fun stuff right now but could never even think about moving to my own place as much as I'd love to...it's just not an option right now.

On the other hand, one of my friends mentioned earlier had an apartment that was $3200/month split 3 ways that included nothing, no ultilities. Parents foot the bill. If those were my parents I would have said buy me a house and spend that money on the mortgage.....atleast you have something to show for it at the end.

HOLY S$^T! $3200 a month?! Hell man, the mortgage on this place is $1120/month....With utilites/Directv/Internet, it comes out to be near the $1800 mark.....My buddy is pretty good about clearing out when/if I have a woman around for "private time", and I return the courtesy....Ledhed has seen the place, mostly a man pad....Haha.

[BaggedLancer]

HOLY S$^T! $3200 a month?! Hell man, the mortgage on this place is $1120/month....With utilites/Directv/Internet, it comes out to be near the $1800 mark.....My buddy is pretty good about clearing out when/if I have a woman around for "private time", and I return the courtesy....Ledhed has seen the place, mostly a man pad....Haha.

Quite a few places in the boston area that much. Especially near college campuses. They expect you to get 10 roommates into a 3 bedroom apartment. My place is a man pad as well and since its me, myself and I, no one need to clear out. The funniest part is, before I moved out of school I broke up with my previously GF, 4 years later living at home I've never had another and really couldn't be happier at this point

[hearingimpared]

My thoughts exactly. Too many chiefs, not enough indians in a sense. No one will stand up and fight, just tell you their ideas on how SOMEONE ELSE should fight. I am sorry for all of the rants, but this hits a little close to home...I am constantly told what needs to be done in Iraq by people who not only have NEVER been there, but people who could NEVER do what I have done or what I do. Not that they are physically incapable, but they are mentally not capable to follow or lead in any capacity...These are the children that are now entering the job force...What they do not realize that by trying to express their individualism they are all the same..I do not subscribe to political correctness, and if someone wants to kill me, they are going to have a hell of a time...

I think a testament to this mentality is the Virginia Tech massacre....I am not trying to offend, but to simply point out something. The only person to resist was a survivor of the Nazi concentration camps...Instead of helping, people jumped out of the damn window. One person CAN make a difference in this situation, no matter how you argue it...This "future of society" has NO CLUE what it means to be selfless, to put the greater good (in this case, that would mean taking down the nut case) before their personal safety...I know why that professor made a go at him too....After living through a concentration camp, the last way I would be trying to go out is by the hand of some shithead kid....He went through entirely too much in his lifetime to get killed that way. It is a shame.The real shame is that no one tried to help him. NO ONE! WTF! I know I have training, etc.....I also know that I have always had this mentality, I WILL NOT be killed by some ass-clown who has a chip on his shoulder because he is/was not popular...Your girlfriend dumped you, deal with it....I got cheated on while I was in Iraq....I was pissed, but I got over it. She doesn't like you, leave her alone. I'll send you a video of how much she likes me...:D

I digress.....Again, this is not meant to offend, but there are a lot of things that really get to me about most people my age.......


Bill my wife and friends of mine from the old neighborhood were talking about that tragedy at VT and I know it is only talk now but this is very true. . .if that kid showed up in my high school back then he may have gotten one shot off before being attacked by most every guy in the room. . . that is how it was. We saw gun, knife and any weapon you can mention violence and it wasn't tolerated by us. I'm not trying to sound like a hero or anything here but we protected the women and each other. God forbid if someone beat on a little brother or sister too!

Now it is every little wimp for themselves.

[hearingimpared]

Good, cause I live in my parents basement which is a renovated in-law furnished by me.......just a place to stay till I finish college and can get out on my own.

No sane person could have an issue with you man! You talk the talk and walk the walk. . . it's the parent leaches that need the ass whoopin', them and their parents.

[BaggedLancer]

What I don't understand is how do these kids actually get any satisfaction out of anything?

I know for a fact all the ones that get things handed to them treat the stuff like crap.....cars, computers, anything. Whereas, if I paid for it I take care of it cause I may not be able to buy another.

[Bill Ayotte]

Bill my wife and friends of mine from the old neighborhood were talking about that tragedy at VT and I know it is only talk now but this is very true. . .if that kid showed up in my high school back then he may have gotten one shot off before being attacked by most every guy in the room. . . that is how it was. We saw gun, knife and any weapon you can mention violence and it wasn't tolerated by us. I'm not trying to sound like a hero or anything here but we protected the women and each other. God forbid if someone beat on a little brother or sister too!

Now it is every little wimp for themselves.

This is what I am talking about. It wasn't tolerated then, but for some reason it is now...I don't know when this became ok, but that needs to change NOW! Guns don't equal power, in fact, it has been proven that at a short distance that a gun is LESS effective than a knife or any yielded ordinary object....Throwing a chair, pen, stabbing him with a pencil....SOMETHING! Chances are he will not react fast enough to actually hit you with a bullet...The gun may go off, but you will be able to deflect the gun in another direction. I have a concealed carry permit, and I do make use of it. I also carry an automatic Benchmade, mostly because I use it as an everyday utility knife, but I can get that out and open before I can get a gun drawn...I am pretty quick now, but the knife is still a lot quicker than the gun, and is much better in close quarters confrontations.....

[markmarc]

Funny, how we can fault in all, based upon the actions of a few. As a teacher, I see them at their most positive, average, and negative moments. Sure, some run around thinking they are entitled, but at the same time, I see others busting it every day. I also see how many are willing to help a teacher, parent, etc. when asked.

let us not forget how many 18-22 year olds are in the military dealing with 9/11 in Afghanistan, and the mess in Iraq.

Most will turn out just fine, some with struggle like with any generation, and a few will end up in prison. I remember my parents saying the same thing about kids in my generation. My son is now 22, all of his friends but one have turned out to be dedicated, positive adults.

[hearingimpared]

I am pretty quick now, but the knife is still a lot quicker than the gun, and is much better in close quarters confrontations.....

Hell so is a good thumb in the eye or the colar bone or the groin or the throat hell you don't even have to think about it, anywhere there is a pressure point and there are more than several on the body.

Sorry about the derail. . .. I'll stop mine here.

[BaggedLancer]

My son is now 22, all of his friends but one have turned out to be dedicated, positive adults.

What qualifies as a dedicated, positive adult in your eyes? Maybe some people just have too high of standards..... I'm not being negative, just curious what in your opinion makes someone a deciated, positive adult.

[hearingimpared]

Funny, how we can fault in all, based upon the actions of a few. As a teacher, I see them at their most positive, average, and negative moments. Sure, some run around thinking they are entitled, but at the same time, I see others busting it every day. I also see how many are willing to help a teacher, parent, etc. when asked.

let us not forget how many 18-22 year olds are in the military dealing with 9/11 in Afghanistan, and the mess in Iraq.

Most will turn out just fine, some with struggle like with any generation, and a few will end up in prison. I remember my parents saying the same thing about kids in my generation. My son is now 22, all of his friends but one have turned out to be dedicated, positive adults.

I admit to using some blanket statements here.

My older son is 23 and I couldn't be more proud of him. Most of his friends are the same as my boy but I think that is because he is choosey about his company another trait that he learned from me and I learned from my Pop.

[Bill Ayotte]

Funny, how we can fault in all, based upon the actions of a few. As a teacher, I see them at their most positive, average, and negative moments. Sure, some run around thinking they are entitled, but at the same time, I see others busting it every day. I also see how many are willing to help a teacher, parent, etc. when asked.

let us not forget how many 18-22 year olds are in the military dealing with 9/11 in Afghanistan, and the mess in Iraq.

Most will turn out just fine, some with struggle like with any generation, and a few will end up in prison. I remember my parents saying the same thing about kids in my generation. My son is now 22, all of his friends but one have turned out to be dedicated, positive adults.

Your son has a good group of friends, which is actually rare now days....The vast majority of people my age that have a sense of the world can name at least two or more of people they consider "friends" that are real-world retarded. At one point I was one of the 18-22 year olds fighting overseas, I turned 20 and 21 in Afghanistan and Iraq....I will say this about the quality of soldier over the last five years; it has DROPPED dramatically....The good ones are hard to find, and I view the Army as a welfare system of sorts for a lot of people...If i was treated this way in the civilian sector by my "doctor" (really not a doctor, not even really a RN, Army gray area; a physician's assistant) I would have a multi-million dollar settlement on my hands...Attitude problems are painfully abundant, and there is a general lack of respect and bearing....I am constantly amazed that some of these people tie their own shoes, much less preform their job everyday...

[danger boy]

of course not all young adults of this generation should be lumped into this category.. there are plenty of good examples of young people who do great in school, sometimes holding down a part time job... then graduate and become great hard working adults..

I think though what ticks alot of us older people off is that we didn't have things as easy as the current generation does.. plus, our parents can turn around and say the same thing about us babyboomers.

But an overall observation of the current generation is they feel they should have to work less, get paid more and have more free time to persue recreational activities... while making a 6 figure salary right after graduation. They can have all of this, but it's going to take some hard and good work ethics to make it happen.. and i find that very few are willing to put out the sweat to do it.

[mrbigbluelight]

One problem that I have with this generation is that quite a few of them seem to have the manners of goats.

I dropped by the daughter and SIL's house yesterday, just for a quick visit (and to spoil my grandson some more :) ).

Well, the ex-SIL and BIL were there. They had brought their daughter (who's nice; she'll be entering the Air Force in a couple of months) and her future fiance .

Well, long story short, this guy (24) must have been brought up in a cave.
We're all sitting around, shooting the breeze, and he's on his future wife like a duck on a june bug. Not just reasonable hugs and smooches, but .... Welcome to Slobber City.

Falls into the "I want what I want when I want it" mentality of quite a number of the newer generation. No sense of respect for those around him, especially his future MIL and FIL. None.

My opinon might be biased somewhat by the fact that this guy is a Pre-vert, and doesn't work, and gives my grandson looks that one might expect out of a dog looking at a piece of roundsteak. :mad:

Probably a lot of the lack of respect and manners can be laid at the doorstep of MY generation. I suppose you can't practice what you aren't shown or taught.

[rskarvan]

This thread is pathetic. Bunch of old guys complaining about the next generation with the naive thought that their own previous generation wasn't complaining about them in their youth. The very sad/pathetic cycle continues.

[BaggedLancer]

This thread is pathetic. Bunch of old guys complaining about the next generation with the naive thought that their own previous generation wasn't complaining about them in their youth. The very sad/pathetic cycle continues.


Last time I checked my drivers license I'm 21 years old(despite what some of you believe: HEARINGIMPARED) and I don't think that is that old. I'm the one who started the thread and doing the majority of the complaining.

Who are you again to call this thread pathetic?

[rskarvan]

Worse yet... you are complaining about your own generation. WTF???

[BaggedLancer]

Worse yet... you are complaining about your own generation. WTF???

You're exactly right. I am......cause my generation is frigging pathetic and quite frankly it disgusts me since we are the ones that are going to have to take care of our parents when they get older. If we can't take care of ourselves, how the hell are we supposed to take care of our parents after they retire and become old?

[rskarvan]

Don't think for one second that your parents generation doesn't already have this all figured out.

[BaggedLancer]

Don't think for one second that your parents generation doesn't already have this all figured out.

I thought it was only normal to assume that the current generation takes care of the previous generation. Maybe because my grandmother and sisters are taking care of my great grandmother and my parents are taking care of their parents......guess I was wrong.

And if they do have it all figured out, surely they can't have it figured out of they are letting their kids go on this way.

[hearingimpared]

of course not all young adults of this generation should be lumped into this category.. there are plenty of good examples of young people who do great in school, sometimes holding down a part time job... then graduate and become great hard working adults..

I think though what ticks alot of us older people off is that we didn't have things as easy as the current generation does.. plus, our parents can turn around and say the same thing about us babyboomers.

But an overall observation of the current generation is they feel they should have to work less, get paid more and have more free time to persue recreational activities... while making a 6 figure salary right after graduation. They can have all of this, but it's going to take some hard and good work ethics to make it happen.. and i find that very few are willing to put out the sweat to do it.


We all want more & better for our children but giving them everything or letting them have a free ride is not the answer. Teaching them good morals, work ethic, and respect for others is a good start and THAT is really giving them what is most important.

[hearingimpared]

This thread is pathetic. Bunch of old guys complaining about the next generation with the naive thought that their own previous generation wasn't complaining about them in their youth. The very sad/pathetic cycle continues.

Sometimes you say the most idiotic and insulting things. You're sad/pathetic cause you can't see past your own nose.

If the thread is so pathetic, stay out of it.

[hearingimpared]

Worse yet... you are complaining about your own generation. WTF???

He's not afraid to tell it like it is, contrary to your lack of character.

[Deadof_knight]

one thing you have to consider as well , say there is a kid or kids doing something or acting up and no parents around that you can see, Do you say something or not . I used to "not" say anything now I do, get onto them. I would want my kid to be scolded if he was doing something he wasnt suppoed to. Use tobe that society somewhat governed itself like this now you have kids running through resturants ,being loud and no one says a thing Im sorry but this is wrong, it would seem that its ok that I have to listen to them and pay for my meal , or be at the movie with a screaming kid that a 10 year shouldnt be at. Now you cant control when a really little one belts out but having them at the movie is your bad in the first place. Whats even funnier sometimes someone actually says something and hes the asshole.......I just love that .......excuse me theirs only 150 other people in that feel the same way like Im just the only one that decided to say something like ,,,,,pssst could you keep it quiet please .....Im sorry I dont wear earplugs or blinders when I pay to go out.....maybe I should

[BaggedLancer]

He's not afraid to tell it like it is, contrary to your lack of character.


Thanks.

[rskarvan]

If only he was telling it like it is... NOT!

[BaggedLancer]

If only he was telling it like it is... NOT!

Ok, if I'm not telling it liks it is......how is it really?

[rskarvan]

Better than it ever has been - in all of history.

[BaggedLancer]

Better than it ever has been - in all of history.

Uh, thought we already established it's not.......so I don't really see how that could be your answer to this discussion.

More technologically advanced? Yes.


All around better than it ever has been? No.

Maybe you should find another thread.:)

[rskarvan]

I'm thinking society has gotten way better since we stopped burning Witches. Or, would you rather go back to the "old times". Also, I think Germany is a hell of a lot better place now than 100 years ago.

So, if a few kids don't move immediately when I'm driving down the street... I try to remember the big picture.

[hearingimpared]

Better than it ever has been - in all of history.

Ron, what has that statement to do with the topic of this thread?

[markmarc]

I appreciate all the comments to my post, I would like to address one in particular:
Bill Ayote:
I'm not surprised that you believe the quality of soldier being recruited is lower based on your military experience. High school grads who used to think of the military as a way of financing college, now won't even consider it. Afterall, who wants to go to Iraq three or four times, after seeing on TV the reports of how things are going over there. The smart ones would rather go into debt thru student loans than deal with what Winston Churchill once called I believe an "ungrateful volcano".

As for my son being in the minority, got to disagree completely. Most kids are working, involved in activities. We just don't see them in fast food, because they would rather work at Best Buy than McDonalds. I do think that many aren't discovering the value of working for something until high school when they have a car.

In my son's case, he had to save to buy a new video game or music. When he turned 16, he had to pay half his insurance and keep his grades up, otherwise he had to pay it all. If he got a ticket, we still only paid the original half. I will admit to buying his first car, a 12 year Honda Civic.

[BaggedLancer]

In my son's case, he had to save to buy a new video game or music. When he turned 16, he had to pay half his insurance and keep his grades up, otherwise he had to pay it all. If he got a ticket, we still only paid the original half. I will admit to buying his first car, a 12 year Honda Civic.


I think we all agree this is acceptable......atleast it's not something like a brand new BMW or Audi like many kids are getting as first cars today.

[Deadof_knight]

There are more churches that ever before yet morality is less than it ever has been how do you explain that Rskarvan as being better society wise ...


Boy I had to post to this thread what have I gotten myself into .........

[hearingimpared]

I like a brand new BMW or Audi like many kids are getting as first cars today.

I wish I lived in a neighborhood where the parents could afford to buy their kids BMWs or Audis. . . I think you are overstating that. You can however bet that if you see a youngster driving a Beemer it's a good bet he/she didn't buy it on their own.

[hearingimpared]

There are more churches that ever before

Is that really true???

[BaggedLancer]

I wish I lived in a neighborhood where the parents could afford to buy their kids BMWs or Audis. . . I think you are overstating that. You can however bet that if you see a youngster driving a Beemer it's a good bet he/she didn't buy it on their own.

I guess I should have rephrased my initial statement to apply to the kids we were originally talking about getting things handed to them on silver platters which brings back the point why bother developing any work ethic and maturing to be a responsible individual.


Edit: It could be any car for that matter parents could by their kids. Hell even handing a kid keys to a brand new Kia or Hyundai(nothing against these cars) it still goes against what they should be doing. Which is teaching their kids to earn it.

[rskarvan]

Where do you get your Moralitymeter? Has it been calibrated? To what moral standard is it compared to? Again, I think the "Salem Witches" would find things much more pleasant/moral today than before.

And, since when does the number of churches have ANYTHING to do with the morality of a society? There are no shortage of churches in Europe... yet, the protestants and the Catholics of Ireland can't seem to just "love one another".

[Deadof_knight]

I agree with bagged as being acceptable, its kinda a deal you work with your kid as a motovational tool , its just really hard for them when all there friends get the new bmr or yukons and they didnt do anything........ its just today it more frequent than ever, My child will never drive a nicer car than I unless HE buys it or builds it .........

[BaggedLancer]

I agree with bagged as being acceptable, its kinda a deal you work with your kid as a motovational tool , its just really hard for them when all there friends get the new bmr or yukons and they didnt do anything........ its just today it more frequent than ever, My child will never drive a nicer car than I unless HE buys it or builds it .........


I agree, I struggle to keep up with some of my friends spending habits when we choose where to go for the night. Expensive places are always on the top of their lists and it's hard to convince them otherwise. Probably why I limited myself to going out with them no more than 2 times a month to places like that.

[Deadof_knight]

OK that mighta been a little off topic with my morality statement , have a hard time beliving its sooo much better than it used to be , technology wise sure it is .......definetely ...

I live smack dab in whats considerd to be the bible belt Okalahoma , and Ive lived here since i was 5 now 38 and there are churches like banks branches anymore.

[tonyb]

Man, this thread sure took a left turn.I think the original post was about kids today who get handed everything they want and how that will affect them later in life.And for the most part...true.Salem Witches,churches..haha,you guys can sure take things to the extreme.Bottom line is,keeping up with the Jones is alive and well in america,always has,always will be.

[hearingimpared]

Where do you get your Moralitymeter? Has it been calibrated? To what moral standard is it compared to? Again, I think the "Salem Witches" would find things much more pleasant/moral today than before.



Sorry there brother, you keep brining up the "Salem Witch" trials and that is a rediculous premise to keep throwing in here. Sure you can bring up all the bad crap from history. . . more people are being killed today than any other time in history. It is a steady stream of killing and violence. Living in this greatest Country on God's green earth is a blessing and just because we are not in the middle of where the killing is doesn't mean that humanity as a whole is better like you keep trying to state.

Again you keep comparing apples to oranges.

I have to agree with you about more churches vs. higher morality.

I still have to ask the question, where did the information come from that there are more churches?

[hearingimpared]

And, since when does the number of churches have ANYTHING to do with the morality of a society? There are no shortage of churches in Europe... yet, the protestants and the Catholics of Ireland can't seem to just "love one another".

You are still living in the past with that statement also. It is no where near as bad as it was 30 years ago in Ireland with the IRA, Catholics, and Protestants. That still doesn't have anything to do with the topic of this thread.

[Deadof_knight]

Oh ..............................I gotta stop and go to work ,discussion is getting deep it wont be long before somenody gets flamed here ............

[rskarvan]

Just today... I spied a boy scout helping an old lady across the street. Does that count?

[Deadof_knight]

It was more of an observation by myself so pin me to the wall but its just something, history that you see going on around us .........

[BaggedLancer]

Just today... I spied a boy scout helping an old lady across the street. Does that count?

I'm not going to ask why you were spying a boy scout...... :rolleyes:

[Deadof_knight]

you werent watching tv were you ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Nah thats good to hear to bad that bad things always make the news more than the good things.......

[MGPK]

Hi there, anyways, hello from Alberta, Canada. I would like to say that this is a great thread and it reflects my opinion of society and the younger generation as well. I've been in retail sales and management for over 20 years and I have to tell you, that as every year goes on and I see new hires starting up in the business I can't describe the disgust I feel when I see their work ethic.

These kids when they get hired have absolutely no motivation to learn for themselves how to succeed in business and sales. They go through their two weeks of training and then they expect to be no. 1 in sales without any further self education. When confronted with a problem, they have no idea how to think for themselves to find a solution, they need to have everything spoonfed to them. Same with product knowledge. They get frustrated and quit because they're not willing to put some time in to feed their brain and put the knowledge to practicality, it always has to be supplied in the simplest form so their minds can actually process some data. Now, I'm not saying all are this bad, but it is a large majority. It is about values and principles and having the fortitude to live by them. Great thread.

[BaggedLancer]

Back on topic to the thread I'd like to take the time to mention this very materialistic couple that I am friends with. Neither of them work or have anything of their own, all supplied by their parents. It is absolutely hilarious when they go out with us and use their credit cards to pay for the other persons stuff, whether it be food or movie tickets. It is essentially the parents paying each other so their children can have a good time. Kind of hard to justify calling that a relationship because both parties like each other. It turns into a competition of who can buy more for each other everytime.

[Deadof_knight]

well were on topic once again ...........Bagged look what you started !

[rskarvan]

I'm sensing that BaggedLancer is wee bit jealous of "the materialistic couple". He'll, of course, deny it though.

[hearingimpared]

I'm sensing that BaggedLancer is wee bit jealous of "the materialistic couple". He'll, of course, deny it though.

I'm sure they have no, character, a clue, or a soul therefore BL couldn't possibly be jealous.

[BaggedLancer]

I'm sensing that BaggedLancer is wee bit jealous of "the materialistic couple". He'll, of course, deny it though.

The only part I am jealous about is the fact they can actually have the time to spend together because they do absolutely nothing otherwise. If I wasn't busy paving my own road I'd be able to have time to do things like that.

If you wanna compare material assets to assets, which is probably what you think I'm jealous of, I win hands down and they are actually jealous of me cause their parents won't buy them what I have.

[WilliamM2]

Back on topic to the thread I'd like to take the time to mention this very materialistic couple that I am friends with. Neither of them work or have anything of their own, all supplied by their parents.

Bagged, I'm 22 years older than you are, and trust me, there were many young people like this back when I was your age as well.

Maybe you need to find a better class of friends?

[Shizelbs]

Is it possible to raise a child properly, teach them hard work, respect, honesty, and other core values, and still be able to buy said child a pony, new BMW, designer clothes and jewelry?

[BaggedLancer]

Is it possible to raise a child properly, teach them hard work, respect, honesty, and other core values, and still be able to buy said child a pony, new BMW, designer clothes and jewelry?

Sure, but when they dont work hard, have no respect, honesty, and other core values, then it's not OK and said items should be cut off from further purchases.

[Shizelbs]

Sure, but when they dont work hard, have no respect, honesty, and other core values, then it's not OK and said items should be cut off from further purchases.

Does it really matter though? Is stopping the spending going to in any way make up for the other areas in which the parents have failed them?

[BaggedLancer]

Does it really matter though? Is stopping the spending going to in any way make up for the other areas in which the parents have failed them?

i guess i dont know then.

[hearingimpared]

Is it possible to raise a child properly, teach them hard work, respect, honesty, and other core values, and still be able to buy said child a pony, new BMW, designer clothes and jewelry?

If I could have done that with my older son I would have done it in a heartbeat because he did right by hisself and made me proud.

[Shizelbs]

If I could have done that with my older son I would have done it in a heartbeat because he did right by hisself and made me proud.

Fair enough.

Back to a different subject. From my small and narrow view of what goes on around me, rudeness and lack of manners is prevalent in all generations. And when it comes to attitudes of entitlement and ungratefulness, the generation that I see it the most in is that of my parents'. That being said, its prevalent across the age spectrum. In general, I think that everyone should be more polite and appreciative of their situation and conduct themselves more respectfully in public.

[hearingimpared]

Fair enough.

Back to a different subject. From my small and narrow view of what goes on around me, rudeness and lack of manners is prevalent in all generations. And when it comes to attitudes of entitlement and ungratefulness, the generation that I see it the most in is that of my parents'. That being said, its prevalent across the age spectrum. In general, I think that everyone should be more polite and appreciative of their situation and conduct themselves more respectfully in public.

That may very well be the case in your neck of the woods. Where I just moved from South Philadelphia, the 25 and younger crowd is as disrespectful and entitled to everything as it can be. However, I do blame their parents though because they have pretty much the same attitude and they are my age or a little younger. So when we look this over, the big picture, the is no doubt that most kids are a product of their parents. Some are good despite their parents upbringing and some are horrible brats, despite their parents upbrings. It just seems more in the open today about how this new generation is coming up. Maybe because this is the age of worldwide information.

BL is a good kid and I think it is a combination of his upbringing and his nature.

Speaking of that, I knew a kid whose parents were good friends with mine and taught this kid good morals, respect for others, and a good work ethic. This guy was just a bad dude. He was always in trouble with the law, a bully, and a thief at heart. So ya never know.

[BaggedLancer]

BL is a good kid and I think it is a combination of his upbringing and his nature.



Aww shucks....Thanks PolkAudio Parent #2

[hearingimpared]

Aww shucks....Thanks PolkAudio Parent #2

I think I'm gonna puke!!!!:D :p

[BaggedLancer]

I think I'm gonna puke!!!!:D :p

Yea i threw up in my mouth a bit at the thought of that as well.