Monitor 5jr FS

[NeilGabriel]

I am sorry I don't have some big-butt sda-srs to offer for $100 (or the parts at least). All I got is these little 5 jr's. By the end of the week, I will have 5 pairs of various Monitor 5s and these need another home...you know, runt of the litter. Somehow, someway, I will come up with enough money to go to Yellow Knife.

I paid $75 plus the shipping on these about 4 months ago. Excellent condition. 7.75/10. I'd like $60 out of them. PM me if interested.

[gwh]

I think they are cute:)
Shipping to 73505?
Paypal?



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[NeilGabriel]

I think they are cute:)
Shipping to 73505?
Paypal?



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It cost about $25 to ship them to me from Fla. I can't get UPS store website open to get quote. The speakers are about 15 pounds each. I don't do paypal. I'm just a guy with some speakers to sell, not a capitalist. What ever happened to shipping things Greyhound? Oh wait, I'm not hanging out at any bus stations. My cat is cute....these babies will drive your car.

[gwh]

What's your zip?

[NeilGabriel]

66217..Kansas side of KC metro

[gwh]

Nail down a shipping price and let me know.

[NeilGabriel]

Looks like 25 bucks give or take. Shipping is 18 plus a box and some sawdust.

[gwh]

Sounds fair.
I'm going to move beyond the cute stage and ask some serious questions

Are grills included? Corners solid? Any major blems? Personal check or money order.


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[NeilGabriel]

Grills, binding posts, tweets, mids....cabinets. Seriously, these were the 2nd best used pair of Monitors I have purchased. No major blems and hardly anything minor. I can do some quality scans on them and send to you...but that wouldn't be until tomorrow. Check or money order. If you have a sponsor here or bought from someone else, I would ship when you mailed the check. I'm a lawyer and I litigate for a living...and OK isn't that far away (smiling). I wouldn't be able to ship until Friday. I just sold a pair of CRS+ to Engtaz (member) and he should have them tomorrow. Mike

[gwh]

I'll take them....PM your info.

By the way these will be my first pair of vintageish Polks..... I'm stoked.



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[engtaz]

Congrats gwh.
Congrats Neil

[dorokusai]

The smaller Polk speakers are the most fun. Big is predictable.

[NeilGabriel]

Start small....grow fast and smart and never look back. $60 closer to buying some CRS+. If I can find a pair not in Texas.

[gwh]

Money order just went out.
The smaller Polk speakers are the most fun.

I'm going to drive them with a vintage rotel receiver I picked up at a garage sale. I think it's 30 x 30.... high current hopefully, and throw in a cheap advent powered sub that also came from a GS.


Rock on!



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[gwh]

Received the speakers today... Did you pay to have these packed?

All Four top back corners as well as one bottom center back got dinged, there was only one wrap of bubble wrap then the cardboard box to protect these areas.

Excellent condition. 7.75/10


Two speaker grill post are missing the round ends, pulls in the grill fabric, and I do not see the Polk emblems anywhere, just the holes in the fabric where they use to be. Two small ripples in the veneer lower left front corner on one speaker.

I’ll have to hook them up later to test functionality.


Not looking for a refund here.... I just thought you should have mentioned the above facts when posting.






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[anonymouse]

Received the speakers today... Did you pay to have these packed?

All Four top back corners as well as one bottom center back got dinged, there was only one wrap of bubble wrap then the cardboard box to protect these areas.




Two speaker grill post are missing the round ends, pulls in the grill fabric, and I do not see the Polk emblems anywhere, just the holes in the fabric where they use to be. Two small ripples in the veneer lower left front corner on one speaker.

I’ll have to hook them up later to test functionality.


Not looking for a refund here.... I just thought you should have mentioned the above facts when posting.






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ouch!

[steveinaz]

Disregard...draw your own conclusions.

[George Grand]

Bubblewrap? Speakers? No.

[gwh]

Mike,

How about an offer to at least file a damage claim on the poorly packed speakers you shipped me.


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[steveinaz]

Ok, it's obvious that these speakers were not packed correctly, and add to that the misrepresentation (by omission) of their condition; specifically the grills--

I'd call this a potentially bad transaction on the sellers part. Neil, you gonna make good on this?

Overrating equipment and sub-par shipping protection smells of ebay to me...

[heiney9]

Mike,

How about an offer to at least file a damage claim on the poorly packed speakers you shipped me.


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Is Mike or Neil in the mix here? Has he even responded? Just wondering. Sounds to me like it's a combo of omission on the sellers part and a shoddy packing job. It' really too bad that a speakers has to become that damaged. I just don't get it; I've shipped lots of bulky stuff and never an issue :confused: . If you don't know the basics of shipping you shouldn't be selling stuff!

H9

Not saying it was anyone's intention to deceive but there is no excuse for shoddy packing. Mike or Neil could just be away from the forum for a few days, it happens. But he needs to make it right even if that means a full refund and getting the merchandise back.

[shawn474]

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a minute (although he hasn't yet responded to the buyer which is disturbing since he has posted on the forum after gwh disclosed the damage). If he paid The UPS Store to pack them, he should be able to file a damage claim. I know from experience however that UPS, etc. offers no guarantees on electronic (specifically stereo) equipment. I got burned by a seller who shipped it where it was packed OK, but was damaged. There was no real visible box damage so they denied the claim. TAKE PICTURES RIGHT AFTER YOU OPEN IT!!!!!!! The seller must initiate the damage claim in most cases. This sucks that it happened - hope it gets resolved amicably.

Shawn

[heiney9]

I see he's online as of 3:49, hopefully he'll see this and respond.

[reeltrouble1]

how about we let people express their feelings/opinion about this without telling them "lets" do this. I am certainly glad to see individual's with membership once again taking interest in the Flea Market and what happens with sales made here.

as far as I can tell from gwh it is poor packaging, I think the seller needs to step up and be heard. I see cause for concern since the missing logo's were not mentioned, and the grills have pulls, also this is the second time mr mike neil/g has mentioned he is a lawyer, ok, maybe nothing, but maybe not. frankly, I fail to see how it matters at all. Since it has been only one day there is a possibility this fellow may make good or the hoped for occurs and the packaging was done by UPS.

RT1

[jakelm]

GWH, take pics...

[steveinaz]

Grills are a component of the speaker; if the grills have pulls and holes where the logo's used to be, they are not in excellent condition. Even if the speakers had not been damaged in shipment, I would have been upset with the way they were "represented" in the add. Neil was asked directly about the grills, and made no mention of their condition--that's not right.

[NeilGabriel]

Grills, binding posts, tweets, mids....cabinets. Seriously, these were the 2nd best used pair of Monitors I have purchased. No major blems and hardly anything minor. I can do some quality scans on them and send to you...but that wouldn't be until tomorrow. Check or money order. If you have a sponsor here or bought from someone else, I would ship when you mailed the check. I'm a lawyer and I litigate for a living...and OK isn't that far away (smiling). I wouldn't be able to ship until Friday. I just sold a pair of CRS+ to Engtaz (member) and he should have them tomorrow. Mike

I think a PM would have been in order here. But, I do want to defend the shipping and our discussions. Engtaz can address the speakers I shipped to him and George Daniel can address the receiver he should receive tomorrow. The pictures at the top of the post are the actual pictures of the speakers. When I posted the FS, I did not have them in the house. I offered in the above post to provide you with quality scans of the speakers after you asked about them. I packed the speakers and used a double layer of cardboard in several places, bubble wrap just for some protection of the finish and styrofoam. I ensured that they were packed tightly and that there would be no movement inside the box. All spaces inside the box were packed with something to keep it from crumpling. I don't see anyway the box could have been crumpled unless it were really abused. I honestly believe that these speakers were packed better than all but one piece of used audio equipment I have purchased. I personally would have been happy to have had the speakers packed and sent to me the way these were--but I admit that I am not a professional seller or shipper. I had no memory of the polk emblems being gone and did not intend to deceive you. They (the speakers) were given to my son (who does not live with me) the day after I got them and I put them up for sale after I got some jr+s for him.

In any event, if you are unhappy, I am more than happy to provide a 100 percent refund. I will return your money and send you the money to return them to me. I can't do more than that. Hell, I'll send you $60 and you keep the speakers if you prefer. I don't want anyone on this board to think I tried to cheat another member.

Before anyone on the board judges this, they should ask Eng if his CRS+ were as represented and George if his receiver is as represented.

Let me know how you want to handle a refund if that's what you choose.

Mike

[NeilGabriel]

how about we let people express their feelings/opinion about this without telling them "lets" do this. I am certainly glad to see individual's with membership once again taking interest in the Flea Market and what happens with sales made here.

as far as I can tell from gwh it is poor packaging, I think the seller needs to step up and be heard. I see cause for concern since the missing logo's were not mentioned, and the grills have pulls, also this is the second time mr mike neil/g has mentioned he is a lawyer, ok, maybe nothing, but maybe not. frankly, I fail to see how it matters at all. Since it has been only one day there is a possibility this fellow may make good or the hoped for occurs and the packaging was done by UPS.

RT1

I am a lawyer. It makes me no worse or better. It is just what i do. shultzemploymentlaw.com

These speakers are about 17 years old. They are 5 jrs, not SDA's. I paid $75 for them and sold them for $60 a couple months later. See link below for all pics. I would have rated them a 7 something given their age. I focus on the cabinets and the components. As mentioned, I did not have them in the house when I did the post and when I had this dialogue with the buyer. I do not sell audio gear for a living or because I have to. I offered something I did not need and I offered to do digital scans so the buyer could judge for himself. If the description is incomplete, I was wrong and apologize for that. I take honesty and ethics extremely seriously. As you see above, I have offered the buyer a complete refund and would have done so if he had no made such a public show. Below is link to what I bought and when. I think the speakers were physically in great shape and tested before put in the box

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140103387171

Since this is a public viewing, I will be happy to answer any questions anyone has.

Mike

[danger boy]

I don't think anyone is trying to scam anyone with this deal.. but it appears to me, that the packing material may not have been enough to withstand the trip.

We all make mistakes now and then. I certainly have learned from the first time I shipped a receiver.. the seller claimed it arrived damaged. he never filed a claim.. but since then... which was many years ago.. i have learned to overpack stereo gear for shipping.

I've only shipped speakers a handfull of times... all have arrived in great condition..

I think the pics of the speakers Mike posted, the speakers in fact look in really good shape to me. I'd like to see what they look like now.. that the've arrived at the buyer's house.

I think most if not all people in here who sell to other Polkies..if anything under estimate the condition of items being sold.. as least that's been my experience in here.

[shawn474]

RT1,
Didn't mean to imply that I was telling people what to do when i said "Let's". Just wanted to give the guy a chance to respond before conclusions were made without him getting a chance to right it. Looks like he stepped up and did the right thing after a mistake was made.

Shawn

[heiney9]

The problem here is the fact that they were not in the seller's posession at the time of the post. You keep saying you would have provided more digital photo's if the buyer would have asked. He shouldn't have to ask. You described them one way and put them up FS before you looked at them properly. Because you didn't look at them properly or have them in front of you while posting the description it looks like it's coming back to bite you. You made a mistake in describing the item; it seems you are willing to remedy however GWH wants to proceed.

We can all learn a lesson from this.

H9

[NeilGabriel]

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a minute (although he hasn't yet responded to the buyer which is disturbing since he has posted on the forum after gwh disclosed the damage). If he paid The UPS Store to pack them, he should be able to file a damage claim. I know from experience however that UPS, etc. offers no guarantees on electronic (specifically stereo) equipment. I got burned by a seller who shipped it where it was packed OK, but was damaged. There was no real visible box damage so they denied the claim. TAKE PICTURES RIGHT AFTER YOU OPEN IT!!!!!!! The seller must initiate the damage claim in most cases. This sucks that it happened - hope it gets resolved amicably.

Shawn

Please catch a breath here. The buyer did not PM me and I only found out this discussion was going on because Engtaz told me. Please see the link to the ebay pics of the speakers. All posts are there, the drivers are perfect...the cabs are excellent, certainly given age....it is obvious from the ebay pics that polk logos were not there...I stand by the packing. I tried to use double cardboard to simulate double boxing and I used minimum bubble wrap and styrofoam. I could barely seal the box because I tried to make it tight enough to avoid any movement. I packed these because I did not trust UPS. So, this is enough. If you have specific questions, ask me and please don't make assumptions or guess.

[reeltrouble1]

Glad you stepped up Mike.

The public thing is simply our way as others here long before me passed along to myself, in the end it really does not matter if the deal was 5 bucks or five thousand. Well, OK, maybe it matters a bit, but mostly it does not. Thank you for clearly expressing your feelings on ethics, excellent.

At this point, I am butting out, and wish both you and gwh the best in working it out.

RT1

[engtaz]

NeilGabriel gave full discription of what he sold me and recieve as such. UPS (United Parcel Smasher) Does not take care of packages. I have had those morons shelf drop my Velodyne 15" sub right out side my house. It was double box but they still managed to ding the corners. I would buy from him again and again.

engtaz

[steveinaz]

You did the right thing Neil. You have to understand that I won't sit back and watch the Polk FM become ebay II; your lack of response had me wondering...H9 hit the nail on the head--the buyer shouldn't have to ask for scans if the written word (your word) is describing the item as "excellent" condition. The pics obviously show that the speakers are in good condition--no doubt, and that they are (in your defense) missing the round portion on 2 grill holders--that's all good.

I respect you doing the right thing and apologize if I jumped to any conclusions.

[JimBRICK]

darn, does this mean I have to put away my rope LOL

[jakelm]

Not to bash anyone here, but:

Did I just see a seller describe and sell something that was not in his/her possesion and did not look over what he/she was selling before posting here in the FS? And use months old pics from an ebay auction as the current pics of the item he/she was selling?

And a buyer agree to all of it?

Shame on both of you.

Or did I read this whole thread wrong?

[heiney9]

Not to bash anyone here, but:

Did I just see a seller describe and sell something that was not in his/her possesion and did not look over what he/she was selling before posting here in the FS? And use months old pics from an ebay auction as the current pics of the item he/she was selling?

And a buyer agree to all of it?

Shame on both of you.

Or did I read this whole thread wrong?

Read post 1 and 9. Yep, you have the initial transaction wrong.

H9

[NeilGabriel]

Just to let you know, I will address any comments made about me in a PM back to you. I will not do it on the forum. I have never heard directly from the buyer. Still have not as of this moment. I stand behind the quality of the speakers and the packing. If the box got abused in shipping the few hundred miles it traveled, I cannot control that. I offered a full and complete refund. I would be happy to own these speakers again. I will never sell anything again without the most detailed description possible. I am leaving on vacation this Saturday. I won't be on the board for a week. Just so some don't infer that I have scammed a forum member and ran. I am not thick skinned as I take my character seriously. But, I think a lot of people jumped to conclusions. It is very possible that I made a mistake in the transaction, but I am very much a novice at this. I don't think that means that I never get to sell something if I "don't know what the hell I am doing." I am not a fool. It means I learn from the mistake and move on like most of you have at some time...now let's all do the same.

[criverajr]

I say that Neil offered a refund for the speakers, he stepped up and all is well in my book, let's move on.

CRj

[gwh]

I'm not looking for a refund, just wanted some question answered, which you did, thanks. If you run across some Polk badges you can send them my way or find out who's hosting the next Polkfest and make a small donation to the beer fund and I'll be content.

If someone has time and is in the process of packing up some speakers for shipment, take some pics of the proper way to do it and maybe we can have it turned into a sticky for future reference.

I'm good here.



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[gwh]

pics

[NeilGabriel]

I'm not looking for a refund, just wanted some question answered, which you did, thanks. If you run across some Polk badges you can send them my way or find out who's hosting the next Polkfest and make a small donation to the beer fund and I'll be content.

If someone has time and is in the process of packing up some speakers for shipment, take some pics of the proper way to do it and maybe we can have it turned into a sticky for future reference.

I'm good here.



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G: all the damge you show to the cabs is from shipping. The small hole where the badge was is not and the pegs also lacked the rounded part, which I did not even know until I reviewed my pics. I will send you down a full refund, seriously, and please accept with my apologies. I focused on the ends and the sides when packing and obviously did not use enough packing. My bad and I will make it right with you. Just so you know, I spent $10 on packing materials and 45 miniutes trying different packing and thought I was getting the job done right. I didn't. I am very sorry for your disappointment on this.

Mike

[gwh]

Do not send me a refund..... Seriouslly..... I will just send it back.

Badges (whenever) or slush fund.

No hard feelings on this end.



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[engtaz]

gwh Packing for shipping with UPS is very very hard. Your a standup person.

[gwh]

Your a standup person.


And that goes for everyone who contributes to this forum.

Let this thread die.



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[NeilGabriel]

Last post from me on this. I just put a check in the mail for full refund, including shipping. I also sent down a pair of badges in a separate tiny box from a pair of 5s. Hopefully, the badges are unisex (or unisize). The badges have the backing for clipping them, so make sure you sort through the wrapping. G, if you don't want the money, then contribute to the Polk Packers Educational Fund. I'll be first to register. I doubt that I will attend any Polkfests for fear of being shipped home in a grocery sack. Mike

[engtaz]

Mike do not worry. Everybody is overprotective of each other. This is not the first or last time this will happen. Don't sweat it.

engtaz

[danger boy]

my last word on this.. and hopefully this thread will die, die die.

damage was done during shipping.. it's very easy to tell that is new damage to those speakers.

both parties have said their peace and are ready to move on... lets all do the same.

Mike I don't think anyone will treat you differently. It's pretty obvious that you had no intention of misrepresenting the condition of the speakers. Plus you have offered over and over again a full refund to make it right with gwh.

gwh, it appears that Mike thought the packaging would be sufficient for the trip to you.. obviously it wasn't. He now knows that when shipping heavy items, bubble wrap isn't strong or stable enough to protect heavy items.

finally... and this has happened to quite a few people... including me... shit happens. Even with the best of our intentions, shit happens, plain and simple.

Lets just move on from this.. and this should not be a basis for not attending a PolkFest... I'd hate to see anyone stay away from a Polk gathering because they think they may feel unwelcome. That's quite the opposite of course.

that's it, i'm out of here.

[PSOVLSK]

My first and probably last post in this thread.

I think this thread shows just what the Polk Forum is all about...and I mean that in the most positive way. My hats off to all involved for the way this was handled.

[JimBRICK]

I wanna be the last post on the thread :)

[jakelm]

You are not.

[george daniel]

I received the receiver that I bought from him yesterday, arrived in good working condition,as described,no issues,,let this one die.

[reeltrouble1]

Mike, you are more than welcome at Polkfest 07, come one down to Jaw-ja, ok thats Georgia. Damm I have become so hick, AND I like it.

RT1

[NeilGabriel]

Mike, you are more than welcome at Polkfest 07, come one down to Jaw-ja, ok thats Georgia. Damm I have become so hick, AND I like it.

RT1

Thanks. Symmetry would suggest that I should close the post as I started it and then caused it. I learned a lot. Please take a look at my post under speakers for Csi5 issue. That is what I got from UPS yesterday from a reputable higher end audio store. It doesn't justify what turned out to be my shoddy work....but.... Thanks to all as I go no. 2 out of a different hole for a few weeks.

[Polk65]

I wasn't going to post in this thread since so many others have done a fine job until...

Mike has come clean and you shouldn't feel any reason not to attend a Polkfest. We all make mistakes and learn from them.

[Deadof_knight]

the only way to pack speakers is in abox packed snugly with dense foam inside another box with about 4- 5 inches of clearance all the way around the last box pack it densly with foam or such. Dhl Ups Fed ex they all beat stuff up badly I got one set of speakers and one cabinet was nothing more than a baffle board by the time he dropped it from the 5 story build to the dhl truck !!! not sure how high exactly , drivers were intact but jeash didnt know speaker cabinets were shipping vessels for drivers .....

[gwh]

Mike,
Received the badges and the refund check, badges look great on the grills, refund check went to my paper shredder.

These little speakers sound pretty good, my first exposer to Polks older than RT3's.

Rock on!

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[Deadof_knight]

OK im not trying to hijack a thread but 5 jrs tell me the sticker says it ... I have that speaker and mine says 4.6 , sometimes polk book shelves really irritate me

I have 2 sets of 4's and 1 set of 4.6 (err 5 jr's I mean ) I like they way they sound so much I think 1 more pair and I will do a theater set up with just them and a small sub in the master bedroom

[gwh]

Sticker reads...Monitor Series 5 jr.

[jtgranby]

OK im not trying to hijack a thread but 5 jrs tell me the sticker says it ... I have that speaker and mine says 4.6 , sometimes polk book shelves really irritate me

I have 2 sets of 4's and 1 set of 4.6 (err 5 jr's I mean ) I like they way they sound so much I think 1 more pair and I will do a theater set up with just them and a small sub in the master bedroom

I think your Monitor 4.6 have SL1500 Tweeters. Pics Please.

JT

[Deadof_knight]

Oh Im so dazed and confuzed !!!