Speaker Wire ??

[anthonydee123]

What is the best speaker wire?

[engtaz]

oxidation free 14 gage

[MikeC78]

Monster.

[McLoki]

Metal Coat hanger.

Downsides are that you have to scape the paint off the end and your speakers can only be about 4 feet apart (if your amp is between them) but the sound is to die for....

Since you asked for brands, I always found macys to have the highest guage coat hangers so that is where I would get them.

[m00npie]

McLoki - You and your Macys brand...

Macys brand is okay but let’s face it, they are way overpriced. You can find hangers just as good at Kohl's.

[McLoki]

McLoki - You and your Macys brand...

Macys brand is okay but let’s face it, they are way overpriced. You can find hangers just as good at Kohl's.

You can't even hang a decent jacket on a kohls hanger - don't waste your time. I know Macys is a little more expensive, but if you watch on audiogon or the joanne fabrics foums frequently, you can get them for a good price..

Kohls... the mark of a newbie if ever I heard one. (next you will be saying that the unpainted ones work as well as the classic black ones...)

[m00npie]

joanne fabrics foums

Your kidding right? This pretty much sums up your powder puff rig. Any respectable enthusiast would only buy from Bed, Bath & BEYOND !








:D

[McLoki]

Your kidding right? This pretty much sums up your powder puff rig. Any respectable enthusiast would only buy from Bed, Bath & BEYOND !
:D
I find the powder adds alot of air and separation between the instruments...... :D

[MikeC78]

You guys have it all wrong!

You have to use the Monster kind from Victoria Secrets!

[a_mattison]

Can the wooden hangars be modified to work with banna connectors? Do they work as well as the cheap metal hangars? I can get some cheap at SAM's club and it seems like they would be nicer than metal.

[engtaz]

Chicago polk fest hangovers. LOL

[Deadof_knight]

KnuKoncepts is great for the money !!!! I highly recommend it !!

[heiney9]

20 ft Jumper cables work quite well. They aren't exactly WAF.

[NeilGabriel]

the joanne fabrics foums frequently, you can get them for a good price..



confident in your manhood to even admit you know there is a joanne fabrics....I think I drove past one today...how are their ICs?

[Demiurge]

The kind you can wrap around your neck and hang yourself with. Give it a shot.

[Bill Ayotte]

You guys have it all wrong!

You have to use the Monster kind from Victoria Secrets!

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! :D

Dude, did you skin a zebra?! :D

[mrbigbluelight]

For really wide separation, I'd suggest coat hangers from Lane Bryant.

[John K.]

Anthony, just in case you're getting the idea that some of the guys are kidding about the coat hangers, they're not. Undoubtedly they were so impressed by these audio exploits of Al Magnani (http://web.archive.org/web/20010419223607/http://www.magnani.net/~al/DigitalWireLabTest.html) that they've continued his research and made remarkable new discoveries that will forever alter the course of the wire wars.

[The Naked Truth]

Use a tesla coil so the electricity can pass through the air. Best sound, best looks!

[F1nut]

Use a tesla coil so the electricity can pass through the air. Best sound, best looks!

Any other words of wisdom you'd like to bestow upon us or do you just enjoy being an asshat?

[F1nut]

K, you obviously missed the skinny on the thread starter in your zealous quest to respond to yet another noob. Better luck next time.

[The Naked Truth]

Any other words of wisdom you'd like to bestow upon us or do you just enjoy being an asshat?

I wonder why you don't trash MikeC78 too, I guess postwhoring does that to people.. :rolleyes:

Anyways, the power of science:
http://www.pcavtech.com/techtalk/wire_size/index.htm
http://www.radiolocman.com/electrical-engineering/circuit-cache.html?di=18899

Ofcourse, to the true Audiofanatic, this is just voodoo mumbojumbo and that extra 0.0013% purity for their 14 gauge cable is far superior to any 10 gauge cable out there.

[MikeC78]

[QUOTE=The Naked Truth;648380]I wonder why you don't trash MikeC78 too, I guess postwhoring does that to people.. :rolleyes:
[QUOTE]

Excuse me? Who are you?:confused:

[zombie boy 2000]

Excuse me? Who are you?:confused:

He'd like to be your huckleberry, but he comes off more as your dingleberry.
I imagine the Naked Truth is probably not really naked, but wearing his yoda jammy jams and sucking on a Charms pop. Make your own assumptions about the "Truth" moniker.

[liordra]

My mom told me I can wear my Yoda Jammy james, in my 30ies and still be cool. so what's your point ?

[The Naked Truth]

I'm wearing nothing but my sunglasses while playing with my 8W Audionote, because when you're cool like me, the sun always shines. Your point?

[Ricardo]

I just love these threads and I'm getting my subscription

[zombie boy 2000]

I'm wearing nothing but my sunglasses while playing with my 8W Audionote, because when you're cool like me, the sun always shines. Your point?

I always knew Corey Hart would eventually grace us with his esteemed presence. Now if only we can smoke out Frank Stallone, Loverboy, and the keytar player from Jefferson Starship, the circle of life will finally be complete.

[F1nut]

Simple really, Mike isn't an asshat.



Anyways, the power of science:
http://www.pcavtech.com/techtalk/wire_size/index.htm
http://www.radiolocman.com/electrica....html?di=18899

Ofcourse, to the true Audiofanatic, this is just voodoo mumbojumbo and that extra 0.0013% purity for their 14 gauge cable is far superior to any 10 gauge cable out there.


Great, another one who can't trust his own ears. :rolleyes:

[Bill Ayotte]

I'm wearing nothing but my sunglasses while playing with my 8W Audionote, because when you're cool like me, the sun always shines. Your point?

If I was as cool as you, I would suck-start a .45....

[The Naked Truth]

Simple really, Mike isn't an asshat.

Great, another one who can't trust his own ears. :rolleyes:

I have a wonderful, wonderful place for you to visit:
http://www.creationmuseum.org/

Who needs pesky science? Who needs precise electronic equipment to tune anything from car engines to space rockets when we have YOUR ears!? :rolleyes:

[F1nut]

Oh goodie, I knew you'd take the bait.......hehe

Let's start with why I'd never check out any link you post here. You have NOTHING to offer, but what you've read somewhere, which means absolutely NOTHING to me or anyone else here. Of course, this leads to further proof of your ignorance to all things audio and further proof that you are a NOTHING!





However, please keep digging as the entertainment value is off the charts.

[The Naked Truth]

Oh goodie, I knew you'd take the bait.......hehe

Let's start with why I'd never check out any link you post here. You have NOTHING to offer, but what you've read somewhere, which means absolutely NOTHING to me or anyone else here. Of course, this leads to further proof of your ignorance to all things audio and further proof that you are a NOTHING!





However, please keep digging as the entertainment value is off the charts.
Let me try this on you.. You are NOTHING! Your opinions mean NOTHING because they're subjective as well as fartsy, so I'll let you guess what you're full of, if there happens to be anything inside your poor excuse for a brain other than NOTHING!
NOTHING you say matters because you are ignorant about life and ANYTHING that actually matters out there. Grow up and get a life!

[dudeinaroom]

yeah, what f1 said

[liordra]

Oh goodie, I knew you'd take the bait.......hehe


You know that friends, family and career thing everybody talks about? its called a Life. its a nice thing to have. I'd get one, if I were you.

In some cultures life means not being pathetic. but I'm afraid this boat has sailed for you.

[reeltrouble1]

Good Morning there Farts of Self, TNT, I could not help but notice your lack creativeness, getting a bit slow there, I mean I would expect so much more from you than the above redundancy of reply.

Well, maybe a spot of coffee and drink of Jolt and you can do better, but then maybe your accustomed to letting folks down.

Who said that? I said that. I am RT1.

The Anti-Anti Hi-Fi Audio Insurgent.

Have a nice day.

RT1

[zombie boy 2000]

I'm still waiting for TNT to bring his keytar to the party and start wailing away some old Loverboy traditionals. He's that cool, don't you know?
Liordra could play cowbell while they both regale us all with songs abouth the seduction of deduction and the seasoning of reasoning.

Thomas Dobly will want his cut though. He failed to wear his sunglasses when he was blinded. TNT refused to loan him a pair.

[honda cber]

i know i am new here and all, but what the H-E-double-hockey-sticks just happened here?

lol, i for one, have learned not one thing about speaker cables in this thread, only that coat hangers can be used in place of 75 ohm coax if a person were so inclined to do so.

is it my imagination, or do some folks on here seem to really despise one another? is this distaste based solely on ONE online forum? and a smaller, rather inactive one, at that? gee whiz, fellas, thats what they make chill pills for... 'net is big enough for everyone, isnt it?

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(adding another useless post to an already useless thread... yes, honda, you are now part of the problem)

[m00npie]

i know i am new here and all, but what the H-E-double-hockey-sticks just happened here?
lol, i for one, have learned not one thing about speaker cables in this thread, only that coat hangers can be used in place of 75 ohm coax if a person were so inclined to do so.
is it my imagination, or do some folks on here seem to really despise one another? is this distaste based solely on ONE online forum? and a smaller, rather inactive one, at that? gee whiz, fellas, thats what they make chill pills for... 'net is big enough for everyone, isnt it?
a
(adding another useless post to an already useless thread... yes, honda, you are now part of the problem)

You got a problem with me using coat hangers? :D

Chill dude, this thread and all threads started by the simpleton in Post#1 is the issue among a few others. Stick around, there is plenty of good information in this forum on what coat hangers to use, just utilize the search function and you will find salvation.

Welcome

[The Naked Truth]

You win, you whiny pisspoor postwhoring bitches. You maturbate with speaker binding posts cause your so called 'equipment' only fits perfectly in this hole size and nothing human sized. Keep your pathetic existence, I'm out, in the real life, where your kind exist for my bitchslapping amusement. So long hoes!

[zombie boy 2000]

Word to your moms.
He came to drop bombs.
He's got more rhymes.
Than the Bible's got psalms.

[Sherardp]

Word to your moms.
He came to drop bombs.
He's got more rhymes.
Than the Bible's got psalms.

Freaking hilarious, waaaaaaaaaaa!!!!ROTFLMAO

[F1nut]

You know that friends, family and career thing everybody talks about? its called a Life. its a nice thing to have. I'd get one, if I were you.

In some cultures life means not being pathetic. but I'm afraid this boat has sailed for you.

Actually, I'm on the yacht as I type and it's a glorious day out here. :D

You, on the other hand, have obviously had penis envy since you were two.

[strider]

Word to your moms.
He came to drop bombs.
He's got more rhymes.
Than the Bible's got psalms.

But, unfortunately for some...

Just like the prodigal son
He'll return
Anyone stepping to him will get burned
Cause he's got lyrics
And you ain't got none

[strider]

Actually, I'm on the yacht as I type and it's a glorious day out here. :D



It is a beautiful day here in The Land of Pleasant Living, isn't it? :D

[F1nut]

Sure was, but going to be damn hot tomorrow.

[dudeinaroom]

I come to battle with a shot gun

[Kenneth Swauger]

Hello Anthony,
As you can see speaker wire discussions can become very controversial and often heated. There are some listeners who place a great deal of emphasis on differences in speaker wire and others, just as vocal, who place none at all. I'll try and offer some useful information that, hopefully, might be of interest.
The connections between the amplifier, the speaker wire and the speaker itself form a resonant system. The amplifier's output characteristics and the speaker's input characteristics combine with the properties of the speaker wire to form a tuned circuit. This might work to explain why, in some systems, a significant difference can be heard and in others much less. The particular tuning result may or may not be audible.
In my opinion, it is the DC resistance of the wire that seems to be the most important characteristic, of the speaker wire, with frequencies below 600Hz. In other words when we are dealing with upper bass and lower bass sounds the resistance of the wire seems to be the most important. When we think of frequencies above 600Hz the inductance of the speaker wire seems to be the most important characteristic of the wire. To me this is one of the benefits of bi-wiring a speaker. You can experiment with different speaker wires for the two pathways. A thicker, lower DC resistance wire for the lower frequencies and a thinner, less inductive wire for upper frequencies. Lower DC resistance wires tend to be thick "zip cord" type wires, two big bundles running side-by-side of high purity copper strands. Low inductance wires tend to be made of smaller bundles woven or braided together to reduce inductive coupling of zip cord type wires. Kimber Kable is an example of a low inductance wire. Just like your speakers are two-way designs with components optimized for each frequency range, your speaker wire can be a two-way design also. Each conductive path optimized for the frequency range it conducts.
Keep in mind this is all going to depend upon the characteristics of the speakers and the amplifier. But, it can be worth the effort.
Regards, Ken

[zombie boy 2000]

Wow! Thanks Ken. This is some very useful information.

[mhardy6647]

I like CAT5 (network cable) for speaker cabling. Several different receipes are available if you search a bit.

I like a twisted pair of 30-ga magnet wire (Radio Shack still sells this stuff!) for interconnects (for line-level sources).

EDIT: Ken, since you weighed in with actual information... what is Polk's "with the benefit of hindsight" view of the (in)famous Polk Cobra Cables?

[Gaara]

I'm with mrh, I use Cat 5 in my My HT system and my PC system. I used to use Canare starquad wire, which I still think is just fine for most applications.

Main downside of Cat 5 is you have to have a stable amp as the cables have a high capacitance. For example I have a Cambridge Audio Integrated which did not like these cables, even with a 8ohm load. It would shut down before I got 1/3 of the way up the volume knob.

[Kenneth Swauger]

Hello,
I'm glad the information was useful. I use Amphenol twisted pair ribbon cable, a flat wire with 24 pairs of oppositely twisted wire pairs side-by-side. One pair twists clockwise and the other pair, beside it, twists counterclockwise. At both ends I gathered the positives and negatives together and soldered to a solid piece of copper rod. I measured a +.9dB lump at 15kHz with my previous high end zip cord style wire which wasn't there with the flat ribbon wire. A simple procedure, measure the Voltage at the amplifier's end at 40 different frequencies. Then repeat the same measurement at the other end of the wire at the back of the speaker. If the wire is perfect the Voltage will be reduced at all frequencies by the resistance of the wires. But, in my system there was more energy at the speaker end than the amplifier end. The tuning of the amplifier, wire and speakers caused a .9dB increase at that one frequency, 15kHz. Put in the different wire and no increase, same drop in Voltage at all frequencies.
Have fun, Ken

[a_mattison]

Hello,
I'm glad the information was useful. I use Amphenol twisted pair ribbon cable, a flat wire with 24 pairs of oppositely twisted wire pairs side-by-side. One pair twists clockwise and the other pair, beside it, twists counterclockwise. At both ends I gathered the positives and negatives together and soldered to a solid piece of copper rod. I measured a +.9dB lump at 15kHz with my previous high end zip cord style wire which wasn't there with the flat ribbon wire. A simple procedure, measure the Voltage at the amplifier's end at 40 different frequencies. Then repeat the same measurement at the other end of the wire at the back of the speaker. If the wire is perfect the Voltage will be reduced at all frequencies by the resistance of the wires. But, in my system there was more energy at the speaker end than the amplifier end. The tuning of the amplifier, wire and speakers caused a .9dB increase at that one frequency, 15kHz. Put in the different wire and no increase, same drop in Voltage at all frequencies.
Have fun, Ken

Wow. Thanks Ken. :D

......JohnK just peed his pants. :eek:

[F1nut]

......JohnK just peed his pants. :eek:


Hehe......

[venomclan]

But, unfortunately for some...

Just like the prodigal son
He'll return
Anyone stepping to him will get burned
Cause he's got lyrics
And you ain't got none

But if your gonna battle
Bring your Shotgun
and if you do your a fool
Cause I shoot to the death
Step up to me and you'll take your last breath

[hearingimpared]

I use Amphenol twisted pair ribbon cable, a flat wire with 24 pairs of oppositely twisted wire pairs side-by-side.


Wow, I haven't heard "Amphenol" since the late 80s, great stuff Ken!.

[Deadof_knight]

OKlet me get this straight someone uses cat-5 ethernet cable for speaker wire ? boy Ive been hiding under a rock but why ? does it sound good lows and highs ? I never thought about using that stuff .....but like I said must be under a rock

[hearingimpared]

OKlet me get this straight someone uses cat-5 ethernet cable for speaker wire ? boy Ive been hiding under a rock but why ? does it sound good lows and highs ? I never thought about using that stuff .....but like I said must be under a rock

Here you go bud, a complete guide (http://www.venhaus1.com/diycatfivecables.html)on how to make Cat5 speaker wire.

[mhardy6647]

They don't have to be that complicated, though :-)

[Deadof_knight]

Boy you learn something new everyday thanks Hearing, like I said before never thought about cat 5 as being good for this ! ....hm I wonder what other uses it has! I have some old stuff maybe tie up the wifey tonight with it see if it works as good with her as it does speakers woohoo !!!

[reeltrouble1]

The sorry thing is someone like k can get a new person all twisted before they really know what audio is all about.

Even worse are statements where he and the others like him actually say what people can hear. The test the test the test...gimmie a break........

pitifull, pitifull.......pitifull pitifull pitifull.

RT1

[Dave38]

Does anybody have any exprience with Zebra speaker cables?

Also, does anybody know the cable they use for their 10 AWG speaker cables?