HBO Hard Knocks - Chiefs

[MrNightly]

I can't wait! This will be fantastic!

I'm tempted to get cable just for this! Anybody else a fan of the show?

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2007/06/02/chiefs_to_be_featured_in_hbos_hard_knocks_this_sum mer/

Football can't get here fast enough!!! This offseason is killing me!

[jdhdiggs]

Cheifs Suck, nothing more see here, move along....

[MrNightly]

Cheifs Suck, nothing more see here, move along....

;) It's a new season... the playoff loss is behind us... we have one of the best linebacking cores in the NFL... oh ya. Bring it on! Top 10 D this year, you heard it here first!

[jflail2]

The title made me think of that old Steve Atwater hit on Christian Okoye. Absolute destruction...

[MacLeod]

Great, another series from HBO. I wonder if the series finale will blow?

[MrNightly]

The title made me think of that old Steve Atwater hit on Christian Okoye. Absolute destruction...

Atwater could lay a lickin' couldn't he?

[PolkThug]

should be interesting

[MrNightly]

Darn right! Watch out for KC this year!

[jflail2]

Atwater could lay a lickin' couldn't he?

Oh yes! He was my favorite "small big hitter" after Ronnie Lott.

[engtaz]

That should be a TIVO record show. Can't wait. Herm is a trip.

[MrNightly]

Fantastic! Absolutely fantastic!

I'm so pumped about this year... gonna be a wild ride!

[bobman1235]

It'll be "fantastic" just to watch Herm Edwards be a retard. I wouldn't give that lunatic a job at a Dunkin Donuts, let alone managing a multi-million dollar franchise.

[Demiurge]

lol :p

IT HAS BEGUN!

[Demiurge]

Oh, is this Chiefs theme song for this year? Is that what this thread is about...?

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:p

[MrNightly]

It'll be "fantastic" just to watch Herm Edwards be a retard. I wouldn't give that lunatic a job at a Dunkin Donuts, let alone managing a multi-million dollar franchise.

He actually didn't have a ton of face time... don't know what you have against the man... he's a good coach. Now Priest?! I wonder if he's in it merely for the face time... ha. That guy is something else...

Regardless, FOOTBALL season is nearly upon us... for that, I'm a happier guy! :D

[bobman1235]

He actually didn't have a ton of face time... don't know what you have against the man... he's a good coach. Now Priest?! I wonder if he's in it merely for the face time... ha. That guy is something else...

Regardless, FOOTBALL season is nearly upon us... for that, I'm a happier guy! :D

Have you ever watched his press conferences?! When he was the Jets coach I used to see him all the time (same division), I can't even explain it. Aside from the fact that he's coaching your favorite team, which causes a little cognitive dissonance, I have no idea why you think he's a "good coach". Entertaining coach, sure. I love when he gets into loops of saying nonsense things, like "you play to win the game." But he's under .500 in his coaching career, he's comically bad with clock management... as a fan of the Chiefs, after that playoff disaster last year that sure seemed like mostly his fault, I would think you'd have turned on him by now.


God I love football season.

[dorokusai]

I watched an episode of the show this morning whilst doing some stuff for work and thought it was pretty cool. I'll have to check out another round.

I rolled when that dude was playing Guitar Hero and screaming "I'm in the zone!" w/ a mouthful of chew.

[jdhdiggs]

Bob:

You're assuming he and the queefs can even make the playoffs in the AFC. Do you honestly see them in the top six teams in the AFC? There are at least eight teams clearly better and another 2 that are probably better than them. The Chiefs will be lucky to get 7 wins this year and based on their roster, I wouldn't get too excited anytime soon.

[MrNightly]

I watched an episode of the show this morning whilst doing some stuff for work and thought it was pretty cool. I'll have to check out another round.

I rolled when that dude was playing Guitar Hero and screaming "I'm in the zone!" w/ a mouthful of chew.

Allen... he's a riot! I'm very excited about seeing the next 4 episodes. Should be good entertainment until the season starts!

[MrNightly]

Bob:

You're assuming he and the queefs can even make the playoffs in the AFC. Do you honestly see them in the top six teams in the AFC? There are at least eight teams clearly better and another 2 that are probably better than them. The Chiefs will be lucky to get 7 wins this year and based on their roster, I wouldn't get too excited anytime soon.

Isn't it a little early to be saying who will make the playoffs? Let me guess, the donkeys are one of your top 6 teams huh? Oh that's right, their last game, they lost to the Niners... at HOME... ouch.

Depending on how well our O-line plays, we could be a very dangerous team. Our D will be top 10, most likely top 5... so if the O can contend and put up a few points, we'll be competitive.

But as they say... "it's why you play the game..." :D

[markmarc]

Caught an episode the other night. I do like the fact that the Chiefs are smart enough to continue training camp away from home. But unless Huard starts at QB, it's a no hoper, the receiving corps outside of Gonzales is mediocre (the rookie WR's need a year or two). Defensively, Allen should never have had is suspension reduced to just two games, but he is a bull.

As for Larry Johnson, he's gone after this year, GM Peterson won't put up that nonsense. He just has to find a team willing to part with half of their draft choices to get rid of him.

For the Broncos McKnightly, better linebackers, the best corner tandem in football now that Bly has joined the Champ Bailey. They went and got a some big D-lineman, so no more getting pushed around in Nov. and December. Offensively, Cutler is better than any KC QB, Travis Henry's one-cut running style is perfect for the Broncos line blocking scheme. Wide receivers are better between Javon Walker and Stokely/Marshall. Only Gonzales at TE do the Chiefs have an advantage, but Denver has more depth at TE between Scheffler and Daniel Graham.

The killer for the Broncos is their late season schedule, 5-7 on the road to finish, that's brutal.

The AFC West and East are far and away the two best divisions in footbal, even with the Raiders. But as you say, that's why they play the games.

[jdhdiggs]

Isn't it a little early to be saying who will make the playoffs? Let me guess, the donkeys are one of your top 6 teams huh? Oh that's right, their last game, they lost to the Niners... at HOME... ouch.

Depending on how well our O-line plays, we could be a very dangerous team. Our D will be top 10, most likely top 5... so if the O can contend and put up a few points, we'll be competitive.

But as they say... "it's why you play the game..." :D

You're absolutely right. Embarrassing yourself in the first round of the playoffs and proving you didn't belong in the postseason is a much better way to end the season! ;)

BTW, Who's going to be your running back? The guy who had 600 carries over the last 18 months and wants the big paycheck before he blows out his knee week 1 or the guy who's been out for two years? Don't you have some guy from the Vikings who could never stay healthy for more than 2 games in a row? Yikes!

Seriously: Have the Cheifs improved anywhere this offseason?

[ohskigod]

as a jets fan, I say to the cheifs fans "thanks for hiring Herm, have fun never winning a championship :p "

he will have them in the playoffs a number of times, but never a contender. it is the curse of the Edwards

[jdhdiggs]

But Lou, have you looked at KC's roster? It's, well, frightening! (For Chiefs fans anyway) I'd guess Herm will be gone before they get back.

Mark: I'd agree. The Chiefs only have an advantage over Denver at RB (if LJ plays and doesn't break down) and TE1. In all other positions Denver is better or equal to them. You left out the AFC North. Their top three teams are all tough.

The AFC does look fairly wide open. The only team that doesn't have major issues is NE and that assumes everyone plays nicely together. The NFC loks like the JV conference again this year.

[MrNightly]

Caught an episode the other night. I do like the fact that the Chiefs are smart enough to continue training camp away from home. But unless Huard starts at QB, it's a no hoper, the receiving corps outside of Gonzales is mediocre (the rookie WR's need a year or two). Defensively, Allen should never have had is suspension reduced to just two games, but he is a bull.

As for Larry Johnson, he's gone after this year, GM Peterson won't put up that nonsense. He just has to find a team willing to part with half of their draft choices to get rid of him.

For the Broncos McKnightly, better linebackers, the best corner tandem in football now that Bly has joined the Champ Bailey. They went and got a some big D-lineman, so no more getting pushed around in Nov. and December. Offensively, Cutler is better than any KC QB, Travis Henry's one-cut running style is perfect for the Broncos line blocking scheme. Wide receivers are better between Javon Walker and Stokely/Marshall. Only Gonzales at TE do the Chiefs have an advantage, but Denver has more depth at TE between Scheffler and Daniel Graham.

The killer for the Broncos is their late season schedule, 5-7 on the road to finish, that's brutal.

The AFC West and East are far and away the two best divisions in football, even with the Raiders. But as you say, that's why they play the games.


I hate football fan battles :D We all know SO much!!! ;) But nevertheless...

Donkeys with better LB's then KC? You must be kidding me... we have one of the top three LB's group in the NFL!! Donnie Edwards, Napoleon Harris and Derrick Johnson... they are the fastest KC has ever had... that's saying something!

Granted, our WR is very weak... let's hope Bowe can be a big lift...

RB's? I'd take KC's over Denver's.

And our secondary is gonna be hard to beat as well... assuming we don't lose any of our CB's to injury. Law and Surtain, though old, still are rock solid. Every heard of two new guys called Page and Pollard? Um.. welcome to Kansas City :D

Regardless, every fan feels his team has made great improvements, and I seriously don't know why everyone has to BASH and tear up the Chiefs?!

jdhdiggs is just vehement against them... and other's just laugh. To blame it on the HC, is crazy. He wasn't out there under center like Green who couldn't complete a pass in the playoff loss... and when you have a one trick pony in LJ, about time somebody shut him down. I actually think that the three guys we have in camp (Minus Priest) are rock solid, and might be a better change then LJ. All three can block and catch, and Bennett is/was the fastest man in the NFL.

So here's one for the Football season that is about to begin, and the Best Division in Football... the AFC West!!! :D

[MrNightly]

You're absolutely right. Embarrassing yourself in the first round of the playoffs and proving you didn't belong in the postseason is a much better way to end the season! ;)

BTW, Who's going to be your running back? The guy who had 600 carries over the last 18 months and wants the big paycheck before he blows out his knee week 1 or the guy who's been out for two years? Don't you have some guy from the Vikings who could never stay healthy for more than 2 games in a row? Yikes!

Seriously: Have the Cheifs improved anywhere this offseason?

Embarrassing? We shut down the Colts (And future Superbowl Champs) and their high power offense the entire first half... Our D looked quite impressive... Our O, well ya... they sucked!

But we still got into the playoffs, and we still didn't lose at HOME against the 9'ers... so common...

Anyone in their right mind, if offered a LOSS at home against a subpar team that keeps you out of the playoffs, or a game that you lose by less then 2 scores in the playoffs, which would you take? No brainer...

Any yes, we've improved in WR (Stud WR Dwayne Bowe - 1st rounder), RB (Stud 5th rounder, healthy Bennett) depth, TE (Dunn is back, arguably the best Blocking TE in the NFL), OL (All of training camp to play together), DL (2 big fella's who will help), and Special Teams. I also feel we will have an upgraded QB with Croyle over Green. Green flat out sucked last year... Is he as good as Denver's QB? Probably not right now, but his arm is just as good, and if he can get some playing time, we'll find out!

Cheers!

[markmarc]

The big question in the NFL this season is how bad can Norv Turner screw up the Chargers. Best talent and most depth in the league, but Turner just isn't head coach material. Did you see how fast Cam Cameron and Wade Phillips left town, what does that tell any fan about how messed up things were at the top.

[jdhdiggs]

To me, the big question is will Indy be able to field a defense or are they going to becom a copy of the early 90's Falcon's.

[jdhdiggs]

Brodie Croyle Looking To Prove He Can Hand-Off Against NFL Defenses
KANSAS CITY--24-year old Brodie Croyle is being hailed as the Chiefs’ quarterback of the future, but the youngster hasn’t been guaranteed the starting job just yet. Croyle is locked in a competition with veteran Damon Huard and knows that in order to earn his way into the top spot, he’s going to have to convince Herm Edwards that he can hand the ball off against first string NFL defenses.

“It’s real important for me to prove myself in these preseason games,” Croyle said after Thursday’s game against the Miami Dolphins. “Coach Edwards will be watching me closely to see how I carry myself out there. The biggest challenge is going to be learning to hand the ball off on every single play. It’s easy to do against vanilla defenses, but when you’re up against, say, the Baltimore Ravens starting unit, it’s a different ball game. You really have to keep your head on a swivel. Otherwise you could end up handing it off to the wrong team.”

In his down time, Croyle practices his hand-off motion in his bedroom mirror and spends hours pouring over game tape of Hall of Famers like Joe Montana and John Elway to study their motions.

“Even when I’m not at practice I am still pushing myself,” Croyle said. “I am always tweaking my motion. What I really enjoy is studying the game’s greats and watching how they did it. Guys like John Elway and Joe Montana – the ease and confidence with which they placed the ball in the midsection of the running backs is amazing. It’s just second nature to them. Occasionally they would drop back to throw, but Coach Edwards isn’t into those gadget plays.”

Croyle, drafted in 2006, didn’t get a lot of snaps in his rookie season so he was still an unknown commodity coming into training camp this year. Many believed that Huard, a seasoned veteran who performed well last year in Trent Green’s absence, would be the starter, but Edwards surprised everyone by saying the job was up for grabs.

“I was just so excited when Herm said that I would have a shot at the job,” said Croyle. “And Damon has been awesome about the whole thing. He’s been a real mentor to me. When I first came to camp and asked him to help me read defenses, he was like ‘Why? All you have to do is hand the ball off.’ Then I asked him about screen passes and he was like ‘Screen passes? What are we, Boise State? You just hand the ball off.’ So that really helped me narrow my focus down to what I needed to do.

“Yes, Herm runs a conservative offense here, but who am I to question a guy with a career record of 48-48?”

Edwards admits to being a conservative play-caller, but also points out that a rush-only offense takes pressure off the quarterback and punishes opposing defenders with its relentless pounding. With stud tailback Larry Johnson finally ready to return to the team, Edwards sees even more reason to pound the ball.

“I don’t feel the need to continuously air the ball out all game,” said Edwards. “Constantly rushing is better because it’s painful for the opposition and it utilizes our best weapon, which is Larry Johnson. Now, this doesn’t mean we will never throw the ball. We will utilize the ‘forward pass’ here and there to keep the defense on their toes. But honestly, even if it’s fourth and long with two seconds left in the game, it’s better to run the ball because an interception could result in a much larger margin of defeat.”

While Edwards continues to maintain that the starting QB job is up for grabs, there are indications that he’s leaning towards giving it to Croyle, with Huard playing the role of backup and mentor. Surprisingly, Huard seems to be on board with this.

“I have no problem being a mentor,” Huard said. “It’s the best job in America, because you get to collect an NFL paycheck while doing nothing. I just hope Brodie keeps working hard and impressing the coaches. The backup job is mine to lose and I will NOT let some little turd step up and take it from me. So in that sense, this really is a cut throat competition.”

http://thebrushback.com/croyle_full.htm

[zombie boy 2000]

To me, the big question is will Indy be able to field a defense or are they going to becom a copy of the early 90's Falcon's.

Those Falcies were a fun team to watch. Billie Joe Tolliver's hail mary to Michael Haynes to beat the 49ers is still probably one of my favorite memories.

"Concussion" Chris Miller to Andre Rison. Yeah, the offense was usually on. The defense was one of the worst I've ever seen.

[ohskigod]

“I don’t feel the need to continuously air the ball out all game,” said Edwards. “Constantly rushing is better because it’s painful for the opposition and it utilizes our best weapon, which is Larry Johnson. Now, this doesn’t mean we will never throw the ball. We will utilize the ‘forward pass’ here and there to keep the defense on their toes. But honestly, even if it’s fourth and long with two seconds left in the game, it’s better to run the ball because an interception could result in a much larger margin of defeat.”


http://thebrushback.com/croyle_full.htm


this quote from herm epitomizes why Kansas City under his tutelage will be a good team, but not a great team. DO you know how many times I'd be at the Meadowlands and watch Herm call a running play on 3rd and long?

if he didnt run, it would be a pass...like...4 yards short of a first down.

it boggled the effing mind!!!!!!! it's pissong me off just thinking about it, which is so key as to why I drank myself silly in celebratory GLEE when I heard he was leaving town.

I'm not saying Herm is a bad coach, he just doesnt have the take risk...go for the balls..attitude it takes to win a championship. Ultra conservative playing will not win a championship in this league. you have to take chances and put faith in your players ability to get the job done.

[MrNightly]

this quote from herm epitomizes why Kansas City under his tutelage will be a good team, but not a great team. DO you know how many times I'd be at the Meadowlands and watch Herm call a running play on 3rd and long?

if he didnt run, it would be a pass...like...4 yards short of a first down.

it boggled the effing mind!!!!!!! it's pissong me off just thinking about it, which is so key as to why I drank myself silly in celebratory GLEE when I heard he was leaving town.

I'm not saying Herm is a bad coach, he just doesnt have the take risk...go for the balls..attitude it takes to win a championship. Ultra conservative playing will not win a championship in this league. you have to take chances and put faith in your players ability to get the job done.


Umm.. buddy.. that was a joke article. Not serious. Herm NEVER said that... please... :D

I thought it was VERY funny! Good find! :) Believe it or not, I really think that KC will throw the ball a TON more then last year... only time will tell of course. Brodie has a rocket for an arm...

Judging from Denver's starting O last game... Ouch. It's gonna be a long season ;)

[bruss]

The title made me think of that old Steve Atwater hit on Christian Okoye. Absolute destruction...



this one?

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[jdhdiggs]

Eh, we had three O-line starters out and are still not gameplanning or zone blocking yet. Can't say your o-line is looking any better. Besides, I'll take what our QB had been doing over that bonehead Croyle. I hope Herm starts him for the season so his confidence can get shattered. The guy has shown some potential but he's not ready for prime time.

[bruss]

i scored denver and oakland tickets at arrowhead.. if they win those 2 ill be happy

[jdhdiggs]

ATLANTA--Around 200 cats gathered outside the Georgia Dome on Saturday to voice their support for Falcons quarterback Michael Vick, who is facing jail time for the killing and maiming of dozens of dogs as part of an illegal dog fighting ring. The cats stood for hours in the sweltering heat carrying signs that read “Free Mike Vick,” “Vick is a hero,” and “The bastards had it coming.”

The protest illustrated the sharp divide between dog lovers and cats when it comes to dog fighting in this country.

“This is a grave injustice,” said 7-year-old Minnie. “Michael Vick is a hero in the cat community. By killing all those bloodthirsty, insane animals, he has saved the lives of hundreds of cats. Do you know what pit bulls do when they come across a stray cat? They eat them. Of course, nobody thinks about that. They just think about how cute and lovable they are. Well they're not so cute and lovable when they're crapping out your remains on the front lawn.”

Another cat, a 10-year-old American Shorthair named Butterscotch, blasted PETA and other animal right’s groups for their hypocrisy on the matter.

“PETA claims to be animal rights advocates, but they’re very selective about which animals they are protecting,” said Butterscotch. “Fact: dogs remain the biggest killers of cats in the world. Fact: dogs consider cats meals. Now, am I asking humans to go around killing dogs? No, I’m simply asking them to be a little more open-minded. Michael Vick is not a monster. He is the real victim in all this. He and Bobby Petrino. I bet that poor bastard never imagined his dream job would be ruined by a bunch of dead dogs.”

When the subject of dog fighting came up, many of the protesters pointed to the fact that pit bulls love to fight and are utterly worthless except as violent gladiators. They also noted that cats, unlike dogs, could not be bred to fight because they are naturally peaceful, Zen-like creatures.

“Um…let me get this straight. Vick is being punished for making pit bulls fight each other?” asked Raggles, 8. “What exactly would those pit bulls do if they weren’t fighting each other? Go to college? Join the Peace Corps? Pit bulls fight. That’s just what they do. Cats, on the other hand, rarely fight, and when we do it’s for legitimate reasons, not just for bloodlust. But hey, who cares about cats, right? We won’t fetch your slippers, so we’re worthless.”

To many, it came as a surprise that Vick still had supporters after accepting a plea deal and admitting to the killing of dogs. However, Falcons owner Arthur Blank said he understood where the cats were coming from and admitted to having mixed emotions himself.

“It is a very complicated matter and I myself have mixed emotions,” Blank told the Atlanta Journal Constitution. “Try as I may, I can’t look at Michael as a hardened criminal or murderer. He’s just a young guy who made a terrible mistake and did something really deplorable. As for the cats, of course they are going to have a different perspective on this than everyone else. To them, dogs are like terrorists and Mike Vick is like the U.S. government, only way, way more successful.”

As for PETA, the group maintains its staunch anti-Mike Vick stance despite the cats’ protests, and believes the cats need a “reality check” if they think Vick is a hero.

“Michael Vick is a deplorable, sick human being,” said Ingrid Newkirk, director of PETA. “For these cats to stand there and say that he is a hero is pathetic. I don’t care if they don’t like dogs. Their petty prejudices are no excuse to stand behind someone who is, essentially, a murderer. Do they really think Michael was killing those dogs in order to save cats? He was killing them because he has no compassion for other living creatures. And believe me, he would have happily bred cats to fight if they weren't such pansies.”

[MrNightly]

Eh, we had three O-line starters out and are still not gameplanning or zone blocking yet. Can't say your o-line is looking any better. Besides, I'll take what our QB had been doing over that bonehead Croyle. I hope Herm starts him for the season so his confidence can get shattered. The guy has shown some potential but he's not ready for prime time.

Ya, I'll give it to you that Denver is always competitive at least...

Our O has been very scary sad last two games... hope LJ adds the spark we need. If our Line can stay together, we should be able to compete.

I think Croyle will be just fine. Better option then Huard any day of the week in my book.

Cheers!

[markmarc]

McNightly:
I admire your willingness to stand behind Croyle, while he takes on such a steep learning curve. If LJ is able to find some holes that should help the youngster develop without being blitz into the grave. If I was the Chiefs OC, I'd have Gonzales in the slot as much as possible, just as a quick outlet.
I wonder though if letting Croyle start is more of a sign of long term trust in Edwards as much as anything.

Finally, a big round of Kudos to the Hunt family for the additional 75 million towards Arrowhead upgrades. May they never sell the franchise.

[bruss]

in order for lj to really get going croyle HAS to do something.. You stop LJ with a bunch in the box and make the unproven beat you

[jdhdiggs]

The other issue for the chiefs is no running back in the history of the NFL has had over 380 carries and not had their production fall the next year by at least 30%. LJ just set the record for carries. It was probably good he stayed out of camp. I just see his wheels falling off between week 4 and 6.

[jdhdiggs]

5/17 for 45 yards and a pick? I think I might start panicking!

[ohskigod]

Umm.. buddy.. that was a joke article. Not serious. Herm NEVER said that... please... :D



DOH!, but in my defense, isnt it sad that the joke is so close to accurate, I actually thought it was true?

I'm not kidding when I say he would call a running play on 3rd and very long more often than I can count. can you imagine what a crowd of 70000 people sounds like when they all say "WTF?" at the same time?

[PolkThug]

can you imagine what a crowd of 70000 people sounds like when they all say "WTF?" at the same time?

I think that happened last night at Arrowhead.