SACD question.

[Keiko]

I've read some reviews and comments regarding Super Audio CD's sounding better on 2 channel systems. This is prolly a newb question but doesn't that kinda defeat the purpose of these discs? I was under the impression they were designed to be played back in 5.1 surround.

[F1nut]

All music sounds better in 2 channel.

[dorokusai]

There are some 5.1 SACD mixes that sound amazing in surround sound. You usually have to own a 5.1 capable system to appreciate it ;)

[Keiko]

My yammie C750 plays SACD and DVD-A. It's connected to a 2 channel receiver and also my YSP-800. I have to agree with F1. I prefer music playback in 2 channel. But am i missing something regarding SACD playback?

[shack]

ALL SACD Discs have a 2 channel mix (some are stereo only). SACD was NEVER intended to be only a multi-channel medium. In fact it was primarily developed as a high resolution stereo format and most of the early discs were released as 2 channel only and the early machines were only 2 channel capable. The multi-channel stuff came later as 5.1 systems became more prevalent (thanks to HT). IMO most of the MC stuff sounds gimmicky and I never listen to my SACDs in anything other than stereo (Dark Side of the Moon is the rare exception).

[Keiko]

ALL SACD Discs have a 2 channel mix (some are stereo only). SACD was NEVER intended to be only a multi-channel medium. In fact it was primarily developed as a high resolution stereo format and most of the early discs were released as 2 channel only and the early machines were only 2 channel capable. The multi-channel stuff came later as 5.1 systems became more prevalent (thanks to HT). IMO most of the MC stuff sounds gimmicky and I never listen to my SACDs in anything other than stereo (Dark Side of the Moon is the rare exception).
Interesting...Thanks for the explanation shack. Makes abit more sense now.:)

[treitz3]

But am i missing something regarding SACD playback?
Just the sweetest sound that your ears can hear on your rig......that's all.

Here is a cut and paste on a post I made on another forum concerning the way SACD sounds in my rig made the very day I got hooked up to 2 channel SACD...

You are in luck, "Hoot"! I wrote down the differences of what I heard the very day that I got SACD running in my rig. These are my observances.....

Better representation of musical accuracy concerning no overponderance of bass.
Improved separation of instruments.
More dimension / depth of soundstage.
I "felt" [as well as heard] the musical frequencies more at the same listening level.
Better "crispness" to the music.
Discovered new noises of guitar plucks / slides.
Quiter background while music played.
Lead singer was more "in your face".
It sounded as if the amplifiers were producing the music with no effort / less work.

mikekohut wrote:
I think it would be really frustrating to hear only some of my discs sound way better than others sounding not so good. Sure, there is such difference between old and new, and some such difference between great sound engineers and not so good ones, but SACD offers even more distinction???

It is frustrating to go from an SACD back to redbook, but I'm damn glad I have SACD! I have bought every SACD that I have run across in the stores, whether I like the music selection or not. I have been pleased with all of my purchases so far, including Godsmack.....which I never would have purchased otherwise.

To conclude, yes, SACD offers more. To me, ALOT more! Like I've said before....."it's kinda like going from an eight track tape to a sweet sounding CD for the first time". These observations were made while playing various SACD's on a Denon DVD2910, thru my rig.
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SACD does not get rid of the recording glitches/limitations, but I have yet to hear better musical reproduction from any other format out there. Sony did good with this one!

[Keiko]

Just the sweetest sound that your ears can hear on your rig......that's all.

Here is a cut and paste on a post I made on another forum concerning the way SACD sounds in my rig made the very day I got hooked up to 2 channel SACD...

You are in luck, "Hoot"! I wrote down the differences of what I heard the very day that I got SACD running in my rig. These are my observances.....

Better representation of musical accuracy concerning no overponderance of bass.
Improved separation of instruments.
More dimension / depth of soundstage.
I "felt" [as well as heard] the musical frequencies more at the same listening level.
Better "crispness" to the music.
Discovered new noises of guitar plucks / slides.
Quiter background while music played.
Lead singer was more "in your face".
It sounded as if the amplifiers were producing the music with no effort / less work.

mikekohut wrote:
I think it would be really frustrating to hear only some of my discs sound way better than others sounding not so good. Sure, there is such difference between old and new, and some such difference between great sound engineers and not so good ones, but SACD offers even more distinction???

It is frustrating to go from an SACD back to redbook, but I'm damn glad I have SACD! I have bought every SACD that I have run across in the stores, whether I like the music selection or not. I have been pleased with all of my purchases so far, including Godsmack.....which I never would have purchased otherwise.

To conclude, yes, SACD offers more. To me, ALOT more! Like I've said before....."it's kinda like going from an eight track tape to a sweet sounding CD for the first time". These observations were made while playing various SACD's on a Denon DVD2910, thru my rig.
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SACD does not get rid of the recording glitches/limitations, but I have yet to hear better musical reproduction from any other format out there. Sony did good with this one!
Oh, no doubt that SACD sounds better than a standard redbook. I was just under the impression they were designed for playback on a 5.1 system. It was a newb question. Thanks for clarifying for me.

[carpenter]

For me, 2 channels will always sound better in music. more natural.
I figure it makes a lot of sense, because when you go to a live show, the sound comes from speakers located on the right and left of the stage.
I enjoy 5 channel music, when the rear channels are used only to add the surrounding sound (clapping, etc..).

The SACD format offers much higher resolution per channel. I used to think that the difference, particularly with 2 channel configurations, would not be that noticeable to me, as my audio cherry has been popped only recently.
However, I have a friend with a really nice 2 channel system (Krel and B&W 8
series) I thought there is no way the sound could improve much. two years ago he added a marantz SACD player, and I was blown away.
That's the main reason I'm thinking to upgrade to a DTS HD / Dolby True HD, capable AVR.

[reeltrouble1]

I am trying multi------so far, well, its great for movies and such.

Still a two channel music junky though. I read where I should try these other multi channel ways for music, but its just a tough go for me, maybe if I did it for a really long time so I could get used to it, but do not have time.

When I get the new room done I will give it another try.

RT1

[Audio NUT]

Im am expecting my marantz SA8003 this week. I was very confused about the " will a 5.1 still sound good on the two channel system" I see and have read that ALL SACDs have the two channel hybrid, so no matter which SACD I buy it will play the SACD recording on the 2 channel marantz...I have no interest in 5.1 for music I left that to the movie surround system.

My system is using (4) Mcintosh MC60s modified with all silver rewired and high grade tubes (genelex gold lions) telefunken etc. I also use the MC240 (again modified) and using 4th order active crossover from pre amp to 4th order then onto the amps, each of the 6 monos are feeding the bass mid and high drivers totally separate. I am using horn loaded cabinets with horn mids and again horn highs. the way the system is now I can not only hear more from regular CDs but I can here stuff you normally would not on a regular set up, I am TOTALLY into efficiancy. With my current set up I can play the pre amp on 2 and its pretty loud and CLEAR. when I hooked up my Infinity SR11bs it took close to 6 to match the same volume and it had less clarity and more distortion and less expansion then the horns.

In my chair you would swear that the trumpets were actually from the player standing right at my year when the speakers are 20 feet away. and all this from a system that I never used a great CD player. an older harman kardon CD20 that finally gave out. I then went to audiophile store and bought the MARANTZ SA8003 (awaiting its arrival) I am excited to hear what is sound like on a system that has been generating music and other parts of the recording now on a redbook cd player that was about 8 years old.

SO i cant wait to set it up and see what happens.

[Audio NUT]

anyone know how I add an image? cant find way back to set up area... HUMM

[Audio NUT]

awaiting for the marantz to arrive, "I MAY GET baby shower favors"..

[Audio NUT]

attempt to add image again..FIRST DAY HERE sorry guys.

[Audio NUT]

testing image load...35643

[WilliamM2]

anyone know how I add an image? cant find way back to set up area... HUMM

In the post box, click "go advanced". Once there, scroll down to "Manage attachments". From there it will be easy to figure out.

Edit: I see you got it.

[Audio NUT]

I may be parting out some stuff "CHEAP" if anyone wants a nice pair of infinity RSIIbs they are over 4" maybe closer to 5" high and great shape ( they have the ribbon mids and weigh about 100 pounds each). I gave away a pair of polk t1000rs they had the powered sub in each, I should have kept them for the surround system but I needed to get rid of stuff. the horns are big, maybe 36" across and 40?" high (I need to make grills for them)

[Kex]

I may be parting out some stuff "CHEAP" ??? ...
Audio NUT, you will get flamed (and/or reported) by some of the members if you start trying to flog your gear by your seventh post (several of which were used figuring out how to post a pic ... of your gear!), especially since this is not the For Sale section of the Flea Market and the thread is on a totally different topic.

[Audio NUT]

Hay its my first time here, gotta give me a break, isnt this the 2 channel thread, The image is not for stuff for sale, I just have some HUGE speakers that are in my van taking up room, I hate to put them out in the trash like I did the NHT towers but someone grabbed them within minutes..I was looking for info on the SACD 2 channel SACDs and found alot of help, I wanted to buy SACDs on ebay but did not know what was what, I did not want the 5.1 I think its clear though that ALL SACDs have the 2 channel hi rez music.

[danger boy]

that's very true.. Audio Nut if you just became a member to sell your items.. it's frowned upon right away. This is a community.. to learn, teach and become acquainted with everything audio. Yes there is a for sale section.. but you must have a minimum number of posts to be able to sell something here. It's there for a reason.

If that is your Mc gear in the picture. it's s incredible looking array and set up of gear. But if your only reason for being here is to try and sell some of your lesser gear.. that's frowned upon and will get flamed right away. The mention of you selling off some lesser gear is already suspect since you have under 10 posts and are talking about selling already.

[ben62670]

that's very true.. Audio Nut if you just became a member to sell your items.. it's frowned upon right away. This is a community.. to learn, teach and become acquinted with everything audio. Yes there is a for sale section.. but you must have a minimum number of posts to be able to sell something here. It's there for a reason.

If that is your Mc gear in the picture. it's s incredible looking array and set up of gear. But if your only reason for being here is to try and sell some of your lesser gear.. that's frowned upon and will get flamed right away. Then mention of you selling off some lesser gear is already suspect since you have under 10 posts and are talking about selling already.

Well put.

[MillerLiteScott]

Slow down a little A NUT. You have some nice gear.

READ THE RULES AND REGULATIONS and everything will be fine.

MLS

[Audio NUT]

Im new because I just purchased the SA8003 and have been up since 3am (no thanks to the jack russell waking me with that damn squeekey toy) I decide to buy some SACDs but needed to search what the heck was what. I think the post above from SHACK helped in that all SACDs have the 2 channel music. SO I searched google for the past 6 hours trying to find info before buying SACDs on line. offering to sell anything was more ranting about the extra crap I have. It was more like sarcastic as if someone said I have to many kids anyone want to buy one.

I also never expected anyone to say SURE ILL BUY THEM and heavens knows I wont let any stranger in my home nor would I deliver them and shipping 5' speakers would also be not on my agenda. I dont actually sell I buy. just more then I need. In my posts and image I was discussing the difference between the 4th order and using very efficient set up etc. If there is any hint of being suspect about a post that was more ranting ( and being exhausted from searching thru the night) then I apologize and hope no one flames me or reports me. If your my ex wife and your here then ill expect that but she knows as much about audio as I do about reading the fine print rules.

My eyes are bugging out from the imac screen, It took me 6 hours to find a competant post about SACDs I suffer from dyslexia ( hence the bad spelling) my dog is driving me nuts and now my wife wants me to go to the store with her and its raining out.

So with that NO more talk of selling anything. I will make a full report on the 2 channel marantz when its hooked up and arrives....PS I just spent the last 20 minutes cleaning off my music lounge chair ( in the image to the left) because COCOA decided to dig in the mud outside and then jump all over it......I think its time for some scotch!

[Face]

If the SA8003 sounds anything like the 8001, it's a wonderful but dark sounding player.

[Audio NUT]

My pride and joy rig room has been taken over by COCOA, BUT I wouldnt trade her for all the gear in the world.35646

[Audio NUT]

its supposed to be an advancement from the 8001, BUT what does dark sound like? my system is very deep 10mhz bass, super sensative and I usually have to turn the bass down due to the horns. is the unit bassey.. correction the image of the chair is not in the image, (not that anyone actually scrolled back to see a chair)

[WilliamM2]

I just have some HUGE speakers that are in my van taking up room, I hate to put them out in the trash...

Is that a white van? Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

[Audio NUT]

I already paid for the 8003 and see alot of talk about dvd beating the sacd in the highrez music war. but because the sacd's can hold both regular cd and sacd so it can be played on all cd players but when its on a sacd player is reads the high rez. I read that the CD has two layers and some have three. the three is 5.1 highbrid, the two is hibrid and just the 2 channel is stereo. the layer when using on a regular cd player the beam goes further into the CD to read and when its in the sacd, the lazer will read which ever the laser hits first (that being the sacd) but if you put a regular cd in the sacd player the lazer will read that as well. I did read that a regular CD will sound better when played on a SACD unit. I did order the floyd dark side (not the 5.1) but the sacd/cd. well soon see ( or hear that is)

[treitz3]

You will no doubt enjoy it. Welcome to the forum Audio Nut.

[Face]

Warm could be used also.

If you find CD's harsh sounding n your rig, this is the player for you.

Don't get me wrong, it's still very detailed, nice attack and decay, and has clean bass.

[schwarcw]

Welcome to the Forum! You have some very nice gear!

[F1nut]

What's with the pink wall?

[F1nut]

I usually have to turn the bass down due to the horns. is the unit bassey..

That's because you are corner loading, not because of the horns. If you moved the speakers to a more normal position, you'd lose that over the top bass.

[Face]

I'm sweating just thinking about sitting beside all those tubes.

[Kex]

Is that a white van? Sorry, couldn't resist. :D
Very funny! :D

[Audio NUT]

Just got back from shopping, ready to pass out from exhaustion, I called the store that sold me the unit (marantz SA8003) and the owner was there, he also confirmed that it will be an amazing addition to the 2 channel set up I have. The sales man swore on 5.1 but the other guy said 2 channel is better. he also said the 5.1 players are usually not as well made of as tech oriented as the 2 channel units. I also said that I would not be that hip on hearing music or sounds coming from the back of me or confusing my already confused brain with a center channel.

I use the surround for movies on a totally separate system, and hearing bullets ricoshey behind me or a helocptor sounds move around the room in the speakers left right back etc. is more realistic for movies not music, besides I have been really focusing on sound waves and compression ( as a hobby) and any sound waves from the back moving to the front is like rowing up stream, I usually have to open the front and back windows to let the sound travel out or it bounces all over and causes my ears to feel the lows that can give you a headache.

I dont use regular speakers, my horns ( the bass) has over 6 feet of expansion before it comes out the front so I need alot less power but the bass is very deep. that said ill stick to 2 channel for the music

[Audio NUT]

F1nut, first the pink wall was an experiment in color, I hated the pink (reminds me of pepto bismol) BUT I was laxy and it stayed like that for a year NOW its maroon. as for sweating from the tubes, My wife calls it our second fireplace and in the summer its a scortcher and the AC is makes to much noise. also for the HORN issue, these are not corner horns like klipsch they are horn in there own cases so no matter where I put them they have very low frequency.

I do agree as I was just downstairs listening, having scotch and sweating playing jazz rock and classical and I played it loud (opening the doors to let the compression out) and everything is fine but I do hear a hint of sharpness when playing the CD. remember my Harman Kardon gave out and im using some older 5 tray sony I bought at a garage sale for $5 and I had to prop up the left wire with a DVD case to keep it from shorting out because the rca CD jack is loose and cant support itself, SOME audiopile, The 4 gold lion tubes were like $600 and the rca from the CD to the preamp is braded silver with pure silver jacks, and all that on a $5 CD player. Thats why I took the plunge to the 8003.

I have to keep in mind this is the starting point to good quality what goes out from the CD is more important then the components after it ( +-) But cds like sheryl crow they have such a HISS and when she uses a word with an S in it its like a snake in a cartoon Sssssssss. I hate having to always use the Mc101 eq to fine tune every cd. BUT then again SACDs are limited. I think in total there are 650 and much I dont listen to but ill probably buy them anyways.

ben62670, NOPE not looking to sell or pimp anything, that is OLD news lets NOT start with the past. Im still trying to figure out the WHITE VAN joke, I think I missed something.

I may look into the counterpart marantz NON tube system, I will never part with this gear I love it so, but the tubes need a warm up time usually after an hour they are really incredible. But having to have spare tubes and not having a local store to go buy one means LOTS of inventory. I do luck out, I bought a scott radio and it had 8 tubes "au7s and ax7's" I put them in the mc240 and WOW what a difference telefunken makes, they are worth like $25 each tube so I do search garage sales for those old amps for that reason.

sorry if im long winded BUT its all about the MUSIC.

[MillerLiteScott]

All Righty then.

[F1nut]

Umm.....corner loading has really little to do with corner horns like Klipsch. Any speaker, placed in the corner, will be corner loaded creating an exaggerated bass response.

There have been over 5400 SACD's released.

[Audio NUT]

F1nut, thats only if its a back loaded horn where the mids and highs are front facing ans the exit of the frequency is to the back or if there is some port facing back. A horn loaded enclosure where it is front loaded can be placed anyplace. the farther apart the better. This is why those huge bins at concerts sound so bassy no matter where its located, the bass wave from a horn is passed to where ever the opening is largest but it has to be an ever increasing spiral. my horns dont face down like most that face down to the floor or out the back. mine are the univeristy classic construction and can be placed anywhere. because they spiral down around back then out front in an up spiral, the front wavelength is on an even horizontal path not firing down or up but straight.

By the time its out the cabinet its pretty much just pure bass but at low volumes I still have to go around the room and move things that rattle due to the bass frequency, HOWEVER I did add in a high level control and turned the high drivers as low as possible and then turned them up little by little and found a NOT so harsh place at about 1/4 turn.

Interesting though and its pretty cool when I showed my neighbor, the room where the horns are also becomes a compression chamber for the sound, and when you leave the room and go into the kitchen, the opening to the kitchen is a regular door size but the area that goes to the stairs to go upstairs is alot larger, and if you stand in the kitchen by the smaller opening you hear hardly any bass other then the vibration BUT if you move to the opening that goes to the stairs the bass is so low you can feel your bones rattle. that is because the frequency will always find the larger exit, I think that the room needs a vent because when I open the front and back doors it seems to sound better (or windows) if you then go outside it sounds great (the neighbors may not like it).

I will agree that the bass emitting from the cabinet from the back and sides is sending a wave as well through the wood sides (not as loud but its very low) will cause a deviation if to close to the wall but I will have to see if its significant that it changes anything Besides these are in the corner because they are huge and need to be in the corner.

I was told my an audio builder that sometimes front loaded should be lined with cork 1/8" on the inside so im going to buy a roll of it and run a test, its supposed to cut some of the hollow bass sound, when I put the rug down it was alot better then the wood floors. I knew a guy who glued egg cartons to his walls in his music room, it worked but was UGLYYY.

I explained about waves vs just watts and to show that I took my iphone and held the tine speaker that you could hardly hear and placed it against a spare cobreflex mid driver horn and held it to the small hole and she was amazed you can now hear the music from across the room. the pair im building now will be about 6' tall with the wave traveling up the back over the top then down the front and out the front but facing down and out on 45 degrees. they will look like a pyramid from the front and down the back will be what looks like a thinner unside down triangle, so the frequency will go up the back small and get bigger as it goes up then when it goes down the front it ill get bigger, this will give me 12 feet of horn and requre a much smaller driver, SO any 2 channel guys who want to focus on effency ill send you the plans for building them.

I sometimes find the power meisters who says they have 3000 watts on their system and the speakers are rated at 500 watts more then likely would never use even 10 watts if they had nice horns. I see some class a tube amps that are only like 5 watts. My mc60s are even over kill, I just love Mcintosh tube amps with the silver modifications.

I think I need a bigger home....

[Audio NUT]

I read there were only 650 sacds but it may have been an older article, do you know where there is a place that sells all SACDs ??? ebay is limited and best buys web site has 3 when I searched sacd. I did buy dark side from ebay so that will be here before the player. but I would like to start the collection now. not sure if you can record from the computer a SACD music, someone said you need like 5 hard drives to copy even one disk because of the memory needed...any advise or links to the SACD I would appreciate...

[Polkitup2]

You need to check your information source as it all seems to be bad or out of date regarding SACD. A good place to look for SACDs is sa-cd.net, it can tell you which vendors have specific SACDs for sale.

[Audio NUT]

I thought I had to much time on my hands....Notice in the first image the speakers are only like 5" and the tweeter is hardly noticible on top of the 5" driver. ( I think its a FOSTEX) I may get a pair of drivers, they are made from banana fiber...POLKITIP 2 thanks, Ill check it out for the sacds


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[Audio NUT]

WOW, great site polkitup2 and Finut was correct, there are over 5000+ titles. checking it out now...thanks...

[Audio NUT]

GRRRRR: I just read this on the FAX pages from the sa-cd.net web site where they list fax NOT from a forum, ANY ONE know whats the deleo???? is it just that one label or am I in for a surprise when I get the pink floyd SACD when it does not work?

Do all SA-CDs contain a stereo mix?

Nearly all of them do. There are a few examples of hybrid SA-CDs that contain a multichannel mix but no stereo mix in the SA-CD layer, even though the CD layer does contain a stereo mix. Examples are the budget SA-CD series by Universal's Eloquence label.

[treitz3]

All of your questions can and have been answered concerning SACD's. Just a friendly tip, utilize the search feature on the blue Polk task bar near the top of the page when logged in. You will find out everything you need to know and ten times more with just a little bit of research.

[Audio NUT]

ben? POST WHORE? what the hell does that mean? i leave 4 posts and you dont like it, sorry man thats your problem, anyways FiNUT here is the tweeter (temporary using black tape) with the knob turned down to 1/4, it reduced the bothersome highs when playing loud and my ears feel better.

The image with my cat. hes walking on a n.e.w. tube pre amp BUT it has no phono inputs like the c34v and it also has no fine adjustments for bass etc. its more pure tube bare bones pre amp, it does have hovelands inside and its very quiet. I threw in a few bugle boys and the sound is alot better thanks to the 1/4 dimmer thing I put in place. but still not sure which one to use full time. I may have to get a phono pre amp and add it to the aux if i keep the n.e.w..

Treitz I got the deleo on the sacd issue, it was only a few that I would not buy anyways. so I think were all safe if anyone decides on the 2 channel sacd players.

Also there is an image of the linkowitz reilly 4th order. if anyone here is using power amps seperate from the pre amp, I strongly suggest getting one of these, send your signal L R out to the 4th order crossover, then the low outs and mids out to seperate amps then amps to the speaker NOT the speaker crossover. Youll be glad you did. I also included an image of the silver rca being held by a dvd cause it shorts out if it sags down...

This is the two channel thread correct.

Ben YOU go and tattle tale to polk and see if they find im just posting info and chatting about 2 channell set ups or being offensive. YOUR the potty mouth here STOP trying to start trouble by having others join you in your quest for negativity POST something positive.....SIGH

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[broncsrule21@]

that is too funny! Ben, where did all your posts go??

[GV#27]

...Notice in the first image the speakers are only like 5" and the tweeter is hardly noticible on top of the 5" driver.Those are Nelson Pass full range horns.Heres the plans to build your own. http://www.passdiy.com/pdf/KleinHorn.pdf I think its a FOSTEXClose, but it's a Lowther

[ben62670]

that is too funny! Ben, where did all your posts go??

Someone cried:rolleyes: The tag is real cute. Someone who doesn't spend much time here must have written that one. I help more newb's than probably anyone here. Give out my number so they can call... Not that I am a better person I just have more time;)
Cheers

[broncsrule21@]

Someone cried:rolleyes: The tag is real cute. Someone who doesn't spend much time here must have written that one. I help more newb's than probably anyone here. Give out my number so they can call... Not that I am a better person I just have more time;)
Cheers

No prob Ben. I lurk a lot more than I post, but I can tell you are a well respected member around here. Have a good one.

[Keiko]

Someone cried:rolleyes: The tag is real cute. Someone who doesn't spend much time here must have written that one. I help more newb's than probably anyone here. Give out my number so they can call... Not that I am a better person I just have more time;)
Cheers
Typical new member hatred.:confused:
Give me a friggen break....:rolleyes:

[agfrost]

Methinks someone needs to relax a little.

[dorokusai]

No, once it starts, this place loses all ability to stop keyboarding.

[Audio NUT]

GV#27 I have herd of that brand speaker, in the high end horns its either the fostex or lowther, I think it said they are both made from banana fiber, and are very strong. I was usually the plastic cone guy years ago and have since learved to appreciate the paper cones, im guessing that the lowther/fostex are both banana fiber and may buy one to experiment with in the new cabinets im building. I started my SACD collection before the plaeyer arrives so ill be ready.

To hot to put the fire bottles on.. I guess ill go work on the speaker plans for awhile...FIN

[GV#27]

and have since learned to appreciate the paper conesYeah, I like the sound of paper cones myself .I'm guessing that the lowther/fostex are both banana fiberBanana fiber?thats interesting.

Too hot to put the fire bottles on.. I like your collection of vintage Mac's.I had an MC240 many years ago but sold it.I now regret doing so.:(

[Audio NUT]

the 240 is a great 2 channel unit, less space needed and good sound with the cap modifications. I cant believe how much they cost now. I bought mine from ebay for $1100 in 2004, seller said it was working but one side did not, seems one of the small filters in line from the R L was bad and to test it I bypassed it with a little piece of wire and it was fine. since I got it I dismantled the rec inputs other then the LR and the switch that clicked to those other positions is also not working, I went straight from the R L to the circuit board. sounds much better.

GV#27 I read that is why the speakers are yellowish and SUPER STRONG, banana fiber is supposed to be a natural fiber that works like paper for speakers but is near impossible to damage. one would think a 5" babana speaker especially for what? $900+ for one speaker is crazy but may be worth it.

[Audio NUT]

I like to think I know what im doing when it comes to 2 channel BUT my question is, I bought some of the braided soft silver rca type audio connectors and they have paper with arrows on them, do I have the arrows point away form the cd player into the pre amp OR do I point the arrows towards the cd player away form the pre amp.

[GV#27]

do I have the arrows point away form the cd player into the pre amp OR do I point the arrows towards the cd player away form the pre amp.Yes:D

























Away from the Cd player toward the pre.;)

[mmadden28]

Which way do you connect this wire?
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:D;)

[GV#27]

Which way do you connect this wire?
http://i281.photobucket.com/albums/kk226/mmadden28/PolkAudio%20Forum/41T0NHP6wdL_SS400_.jpg




:D;)Hummm not sure thats a toughy.:D But I'm guessing its one way or the other?

[mmadden28]

Hummm not sure thats a toughy.:D But I'm guessing its one way or the other?

Whoa, I never thought about it that way. Cool. ;)

[Kex]

I like to think I know what im doing when it comes to 2 channel BUT my question is, I bought some of the braided soft silver rca type audio connectors and they have paper with arrows on them, do I have the arrows point away form the cd player into the pre amp OR do I point the arrows towards the cd player away form the pre amp.
The arrows should point in the direction of signal flow, origination with the source component.

[mmadden28]

Well, technically speaking an AC signal doesn't flow, right? Curent flows, but an AC current the flow is bidirectional, right? IIRC

[GV#27]

In a cable having 2 conductors and a separate shield ,the shield is attached to the RCA connector at one end only.In theory at least the end that the shield is attached to should be connected to the source component.The arrow is there to identify the correct orientation of the shield.

[F1nut]

the arrow is there to identify the correct orientation of the shield.

Bingo!

[mmadden28]

In a cable having 2 conductors and a separate shield ,the shield is attached to the RCA connector at one end only.In theory at least the end that the shield is attached to should be connected to the source component.The arrow is there to identify the correct orientation of the shield.

Really? I always thought it had something to do with how a cable was burned in.

Huh learn sumpin new every day. :cool: That makes more sense now (the arrows).

[dorokusai]

In a cable having 2 conductors and a separate shield ,the shield is attached to the RCA connector at one end only.In theory at least the end that the shield is attached to should be connected to the source component.The arrow is there to identify the correct orientation of the shield.

Yep, and sometimes its referred to as the "drain" wire. The purpose is to guide interference to the "ground". Nothing new, nothing special.

[Audio NUT]

so then if correct? all arrows on those wires point in the path of the signal travel path? also WHY do high end silver cable connector makers use plain old paper and scotch tape for the arrows, I think a $300 cable at least deserves masking tape....;)

[GV#27]

all arrows on those wires point in the path of the signal travel path?Yes WHY do high end silver cable connector makers use plain old paper and scotch tape for the arrowsIn your case Im guessing that they may source the wire from someone else and without the arrows printed on the outer jacket.Therefore they marked it apropriately after installing the connectors.