PC Gaming WoW..

[jakelm]

Ok , Built my new computer. And now venturing in to the world of online gaming. Where to start?

Been a huge Xbox fan since Xbox came out. From Halo to NOTOR I & II, Jade Empire, and a few LOTR's. Then came the 360, didnt get much playing time on it (except for a few hours of Halo 3). So would like for my son and I, to switch to PC gaming.

Here are my PC specs:

AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200 2.2ghz CPU

2/512 Kingston DDR SDRAM (1g)

GeForce 5500 256mb PCI Video Card

Asus A8V-XE 939 MOBO

PowMax Assassin 500w P.Supply

Samsung 17" LCD. (Soon to be 19" widescreen)

Cable broadband internet connection.

How does this look for gaming?

My son has an older Dell, pretty much stock 512 ram, with a similar Video card. Same internet connection.

Linksys router, LAN to my PC, wireless to his PC.

I think he will have problems with online gaming?

For online gaming, I have been reading alot of opions about WoW. Everyone loves it. It seems to be right up my alley, since I love RPG and FP shooters (hence Halo and Nights of the Old Republic). WoW seems to be a mix between NOTOR , Halo and LOTR. Awsome.

But I have no clue as to whats all involved. My son is 12yold. Is he too young for this game? He is a great gammer on Xbox. Is there any similarities between PC gaming and Xbox/360 gaming?

Going from controler to mouse and keyboard kinda worries me. Are there controllers for games like WoW? Or is it strictly mice and keyboard?

I hear people talk alot about "opening" multiple acounts on WoW. What is the advantage (if any) to this? Does additional accounts cost more money? Or is there a flat rate per month per PC and have as many acounts as possible?

I have read alittle on this game. But I wanted to get personal opinions on how to get started for my son and I. Should I even let him play? Being his age? The game looks quite confusing from the outside. All I really understand about it is HP and level ups. And I would like to make sure I am using the right PC for this adventure. This will be my first online gaming experience. So any help would be appreciated.

I know I have alot of questions, to all you gamers out there...Thanks for reading.


Jake

[Demiurge]

What game are you talking about? World of Warcraft? Keep yourself and your kids away from in, IMO.

It's not a first person shooter. It's a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Some friends of mine started playing it back in 2004 and I joined them. Quit playing in a year, started again last winter and just recently quit again. It's really not worth it. There's no end, the game becomes a job.

I would sincerely recommend anything but that game.

[PolkThug]

That graphics card is way past its prime.

[jakelm]

What game are you talking about? World of Warcraft? Keep yourself and your kids away from in, IMO.

It's not a first person shooter. It's a Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game. Some friends of mine started playing it back in 2004 and I joined them. Quit playing in a year, started again last winter and just recently quit again. It's really not worth it. There's no end, the game becomes a job.

I would sincerely recommend anything but that game.

From what Ive seen and read in reviews, its a very popular game. What didnt you like about it? Are your friend's enjoying it?

What is the cost? Is this a monthly subscription?

Any other RPG/3rd person shooter game you would recommend?

[jakelm]

That graphics card is way past its prime.


I know. But other card would you recommend for around $60-$70?

[jakelm]

Cant play Halo anymore, pretty much burned out on that. No more SW RPG games, except for The Force Unleashed. But I beat NOTOR like 50 thousand times, so no more of that.

What else is there to play, that contains a fantasy adventure RPG game? Not that COD or MOH are bad games, but I prefer mystical games with magic and sorcery.

[jflail2]

WOW= $15 a month per subscription, so it would be $30 a month just for the 2 of you to play it together.

Its an incredibly fun game........for a while. The monotony wore me down after about a year, but Demi is right, during that year the game is like crack. I'd rather my kids (if I had any) be into something a little less time consuming. WOW is one of those "1 more bubble, 1 more level" type games that keeps you up until 4 in the morning....

The orange box from valve has tons of entertainment (HL, CS, TF2, etc), and scales down well to older rigs.

As far as the systems go, if you wanted a good cheap upgrade I'd go with getting at least 2gb of ram in each machine, and then worry about a decen graphics card.

Just my haypenny's worth...

[MKZ]

I know. But other card would you recommend for around $60-$70?

$60~$70 cards would lag when you play online. IMO

[jakelm]

WOW= $15 a month per subscription, so it would be $30 a month just for the 2 of you to play it together.

Its an incredibly fun game........for a while. The monotony wore me down after about a year, but Demi is right, during that year the game is like crack. I'd rather my kids (if I had any) be into something a little less time consuming. WOW is one of those "1 more bubble, 1 more level" type games that keeps you up until 4 in the morning....

The orange box from valve has tons of entertainment (HL, CS, TF2, etc), and scales down well to older rigs.

As far as the systems go, if you wanted a good cheap upgrade I'd go with getting at least 2gb of ram in each machine, and then worry about a decen graphics card.

Just my haypenny's worth...

Is 2 gigs of ram really needed for online gaming? Seems as though 1 gig would do fine. I didnt think my card was all that bad.....:(

Its like crack that many games sell.:p Most are addictive... But after homework and basketball and when the weekends rolls around, with the nasty weather, I was thinking a good online game to pass the time.

$30 a month doesnt seem so bad for 2 people, I would cut back on my rentals and audio upgrades....:eek:

[MKZ]

Check newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609642&name=PCI)
. PCI cards are hard to find these days. Add more RAM and faster hard drive plus set Virtual Memory high, turn off unnecessary windows services.

[jakelm]

Check newegg.com (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609642&name=PCI)
. PCI cards are hard to find these days. Add more RAM and faster hard drive plus set Virtual Memory high, turn off unnecessary windows services.

It doesnt have to be PCI.. I do have a PCI express slot.

I have a 7200rpm 80gb WD HDD via IDE. Should I switch to higher rpm's and SATA connection?

I can add 2 more Kingston 512's. I guess I should. I have 4 DDR Ram slots avaliable, up to 4gigs. But I guess I will be ok with 2gigs.

[jakelm]

And about the game. The graphics dont seem near the quality of Xbox, and not even close to 360. Is the screan shots as good as it gets for graphics wise. Looks right above a 64.

I 2 no's and no yes's on starting World of Warcraft, that doesnt look to promising.

[jakelm]

This page @ Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609641+1068309611+4026&name=%2450+-+%2475) Alot to choose from. Nothing here would work? Trying to keep it less than $100.

[Silverti]

I played wow for 2+ years and quit about 6 months ago now. I have played online games for years and I can tell you that WoW started out with by far the youngest and most immature player base of them all. Its amazing how frustrating it is for adults like us to play with a bunch of 13 year olds (dominated by) that play that game 18 hours a day (somehow) and are completely socially destructive. There are lower level areas of that games where chat is dominated by the most ridiculous socially destructive “1337 speak” you will see in your life. Such things as “your mom……”

It does become a job, I would avoid it. I got a few guys hooked on that game and its even taken over their lives. The game is 100% based on you needing to devote 4+ hour chunks of time to it with absolutely no interruption at all. Amazingly when the game came out it wasn’t so hard core and they advertised it like that but now it HAS to be a job to play it.

But it is fun.

I would suggest you get your son into a game like "Civilization 4" which I reinstalled and I’m playing again. Civ 1 is considered the best PC game of all time and for a strategy game is amazing. It would really developed your 12 year olds brain if you could get him interested


When I quit I had 5 lvl 70 characters and 4 that were lvl 30+

[jakelm]

What about EverQuest? Isnt that similar to WoW in the aspect of fantasy adventure games? RPG?

[Silverti]

I played EQ2 a little before Wow came out and it was pretty much a failure. I even tried it again a few months back on a 1 week free trial and it still sucks. But its the same concept and Wow domianted this generation. The next big one is supposed to be War Hammer Online.

[PolkThug]

This page @ Newegg (http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=2010380048+1069609641+1068309611+4026&name=%2450+-+%2475) Alot to choose from. Nothing here would work? Trying to keep it less than $100.

Yes, those will work.

[jakelm]

Well. Im open for suggestions, at least until 360 comes out with something worth burning hours on.

RPG with real time fighting (not the "stop.. select a fight mode.. continue".like NOTOR..that gets aggrivating sometimes), something similar to NOTOR, with magic sorcery fantasy adventure.

Anything worth playing like that?

[jakelm]

Yes, those will work.

Thay look like they have the same specs as my GeForce 5500? Unless I'm reading it wrong.

[jakelm]

Ok

Radeon? G7 series? G8 series? 256mb is enough?

[PolkThug]

Thay look like they have the same specs as my GeForce 5500? Unless I'm reading it wrong.

The chipsets have evolved. 8500GT > 5500

[jakelm]

OK Well. Video card and RAM upgrade.


Now all I need is a game to decide on....lol...:confused::p

...Or I can just get back on 360...;)

[jflail2]

You don't have to get the ram, but that would honestly be the best upgrade for the buck.

Agreed with Silver, I downloaded Civ4 from steam, and have been loving it. Great change of pace from the frantic world of fps's and sports games for me.

[jakelm]

CIV looks cool and thanks for the opinion, but thats not quite what I'm looking for in a game. CiV is too real world for me. I'm looking for something more fantasy based. Like I said, like Dugeons and Dragons, LOTR or SW NOTOR. Something not of this world...:p

[Demiurge]

Just trust me on this, you don't want to get involved with WoW. Is it fun? Hell yeah it's fun. A lot of times it isn't. You'll think it's so awesome for the longest time and then a year later you'll suddenly ask yourself "What really is the point of this?"

The reason is because the game never ends. You're never going to be the best. You're never going to maximize your gear. There is always something better.

If you have an addictive personality there's a chance you'll never pull yourself away from the game, and it's really sad those people who lose their jobs and stuff over it. It's just horrible.

It's like they say -- everything in moderation. Some things, however, seem much less destructive until often it's too late.

So yeah, I played the game, and while I never got sucked in like so many of my friends did, it definitely did alter my daily routine. I found myself having to schedule real life around raids. That's just total bullshit. All games should be something you can just turn off whenever you want. With WoW, you could be wrapped up in a 4+ hour dungeon and your leaving would screw over 39 other people, or as it is now, 24 others.

I'd really just advise staying away for the mental health of your family.

I love RPGs as well, but I make sure the games have an ending now.

[Refefer]

You really don't need 2gbs of ram for gaming if you're running XP. The video card would be a good upgrade, but so long as you have a gig of RAM, you should be completely fine: My machine is a similar setup to yours and I have no problems running pretty much any game.

Grab Oblivion for the PC if you get a new graphics card: Much better graphics than the 360s version, and what seems to be perfect a perfect mesh for your style.

As for MMORPGs, I'd recommend Guild Wars since there is no monthly fee and is a solid game with lots of active players. They also have a million updates and looks good.

For first person shooters, get Half-Life 2 and Counterstrike: Source. Much better than the Halo Series in my personal opinion and the true innovators of online gaming for the FPS.

[jakelm]

Just trust me on this, you don't want to get involved with WoW. Is it fun? Hell yeah it's fun. A lot of times it isn't. You'll think it's so awesome for the longest time and then a year later you'll suddenly ask yourself "What really is the point of this?"

The reason is because the game never ends. You're never going to be the best. You're never going to maximize your gear. There is always something better.

If you have an addictive personality there's a chance you'll never pull yourself away from the game, and it's really sad those people who lose their jobs and stuff over it. It's just horrible.

It's like they say -- everything in moderation. Some things, however, seem much less destructive until often it's too late.

So yeah, I played the game, and while I never got sucked in like so many of my friends did, it definitely did alter my daily routine. I found myself having to schedule real life around raids. That's just total bullshit. All games should be something you can just turn off whenever you want. With WoW, you could be wrapped up in a 4+ hour dungeon and your leaving would screw over 39 other people, or as it is now, 24 others.

I'd really just advise staying away for the mental health of your family.

I love RPGs as well, but I make sure the games have an ending now.

I understand, I dont have an addictive personality, but I remember back in the day of NOTOR, it was always "one more level up,...one more planet". Until the alarm rang to wake up. I had to learn to pace myself.

Yes, Halo was bad but not as bad.

But going to bed before you finsh building a lightsaber, was just out of the question...lol:eek::mad:

I can see how it could be the same with WoW. "one more task"

[MKZ]

It doesnt have to be PCI.. I do have a PCI express slot.

I have a 7200rpm 80gb WD HDD via IDE. Should I switch to higher rpm's and SATA connection?

I can add 2 more Kingston 512's. I guess I should. I have 4 DDR Ram slots avaliable, up to 4gigs. But I guess I will be ok with 2gigs.

It could be better if you can change the HD along with the RAM upgrade. SATA II has faster data transfer rate like 3GB/sec. I have never tried SATA on OS but you should feel fast response. The Raptor drives are popular among gamers. I use 15K SCSI drive for operating system and SATA, IDE for data storage and I think 2G is enough for those games.

[jakelm]

You really don't need 2gbs of ram for gaming if you're running XP. The video card would be a good upgrade, but so long as you have a gig of RAM, you should be completely fine: My machine is a similar setup to yours and I have no problems running pretty much any game.

Grab Oblivion for the PC if you get a new graphics card: Much better graphics than the 360s version, and what seems to be perfect a perfect mesh for your style.

As for MMORPGs, I'd recommend Guild Wars since there is no monthly fee and is a solid game with lots of active players. They also have a million updates and looks good.

For first person shooters, get Half-Life 2 and Counterstrike: Source. Much better than the Halo Series in my personal opinion and the true innovators of online gaming for the FPS.

Hmmmm...Guild Wars? Sounds like a branch of WoW. I wish they had a good Dugeons and Dragons MMORPG.

I am spoiled to HD 360. It might be hard to go back to "Nentendo" looking graphics

[jakelm]

It could be better if you can change the HD along with the RAM upgrade. SATA II has faster data transfer rate like 3GB/sec. I have never tried SATA on OS but you should feel fast response. The Raptor drives are popular among gamers. I use 15K SCSI drive for operating system and SATA, IDE for data storage and I think 2G is enough for those games.

Raptor is over budget...ah well.

WD 160gb 7200 SATA should work ok.

Like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136062)

[Refefer]

Hmmmm...Guild Wars? Sounds like a branch of WoW. I wish they had a good Dugeons and Dragons MMORPG.

I am spoiled to HD 360. It might be hard to go back to "Nentendo" looking graphics

If you like HD graphics, hook the PC up to your TV. I use a 26" TV right now and it looks very nice.

Nentendo looking graphics? Ha, PC graphics will always be better than a console's- that's what you're buying when you shell out as much dough as you need for a gaming pc.

Guild wars has far less grinding than WoW does. It's certainly worth the price and no monthly fees makes it very nice.

[Demiurge]

That's pretty much it.

If you were a single guy without kids I would still be urging you to do something else than play WoW. With kids it's even worse because they'll start battling with you to be able to play when you want them to do something else.

I'm not saying people can't pull it off. 9 Million people play that game. When I came back I joined up with some old friends and we raided (where you get the armor/weapons from) 3 nights a week, which made it managable. However, gear and weapons in game have repair costs associated with them and that means you have to "farm" (read: waste time mindlessly killing crap, which equals sheer boredom that feels like work) for money and materials in order to make potions and stuff. It easily turns 3 nights a week into around 5.

If you don't devote that kind of time to the game you end up falling way behind.

I enjoy life so much more when I can leave work at 4:30, go home, and do whatever I want. I don't have to worry about logging on to my second job when I feel like I would rather watch TV or go out for a drink with a buddy.

[jakelm]

If you like HD graphics, hook the PC up to your TV. I use a 26" TV right now and it looks very nice.

Nentendo looking graphics? Ha, PC graphics will always be better than a console's- that's what you're buying when you shell out as much dough as you need for a gaming pc.

Guild wars has far less grinding than WoW does. It's certainly worth the price and no monthly fees makes it very nice.


I could, my Mit has DVI and VGA. 1080i.... Hmmmmm

[MKZ]

Raptor is over budget...ah well.

WD 160gb 7200 SATA should work ok.

Like this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136062)

That's looks good for me.

[Refefer]

I could, my Mit has DVI and VGA. 1080i.... Hmmmmm

It's the best way to roll. I run mine at 1080i via DVI and it's GORGEOUS. Not only that, but when you turn on Anti-aliasing, it looks even better.

[jakelm]

That's pretty much it.

If you were a single guy without kids I would still be urging you to do something else than play WoW. With kids it's even worse because they'll start battling with you to be able to play when you want them to do something else.

I'm not saying people can't pull it off. 9 Million people play that game. When I came back I joined up with some old friends and we raided (where you get the armor/weapons from) 3 nights a week, which made it managable. However, gear and weapons in game have repair costs associated with them and that means you have to "farm" (read: waste time mindlessly killing crap, which equals sheer boredom that feels like work) for money and materials in order to make potions and stuff. It easily turns 3 nights a week into around 5.

If you don't devote that kind of time to the game you end up falling way behind.

I enjoy life so much more when I can leave work at 4:30, go home, and do whatever I want. I don't have to worry about logging on to my second job when I feel like I would rather watch TV or go out for a drink with a buddy.


I see your point. Falling behind, then never staying with the same group because they have past you in level ups. Then end up not spending enough time on it to get a decent distance in the game. A game crackhead's nightmare. Never getting to a point to where you say "ahhh... I've made it, now I can go to bed"

And you say the game never ends? You cant beat it?

[jakelm]

It's the best way to roll. I run mine at 1080i via DVI and it's GORGEOUS. Not only that, but when you turn on Anti-aliasing, it looks even better.

I'm running out of connections now....lol...

XA1 has DVI duty.

360 has component 1

cable has component 2

xbox has component 3

VGA is only 480p

Guess I need to buy a component switch.. And get DVI to component adapter

[Refefer]

I see your point. Falling behind, then never staying with the same group because they have past you in level ups. Then end up not spending enough time on it to get a decent distance in the game. A game crackhead's nightmare. Never getting to a point to where you say "ahhh... I've made it, now I can go to bed"

And you say the game never ends? You cant beat it?

After you get to level 70, there's the acquiring of End Game equipment. That alone will take you thousands of hours since you need to do a huge number of very lengthy raids, which require huge groups of people to succeed. Not only do you need to be active nightly to go on these raids, but most of them take huge amounts of time AND you have to complete them at one time. Usually, they're in the vicinity of 4 hours in length.

It's very, very, very time consuming and you need to be part of a big guild otherwise you won't have a sufficient number of people with high enough levels to do be able to do it. To get into an End Game guild, you need to be very active or you'll get the boot.

It's a vicious cycle. Don't forget the $120 for a year's subscription.

[Demiurge]

I see your point. Falling behind, then never staying with the same group because they have past you in level ups. Then end up not spending enough time on it to get a decent distance in the game. A game crackhead's nightmare. Never getting to a point to where you say "ahhh... I've made it, now I can go to bed"

And you say the game never ends? You cant beat it?

It's a pretty competitive game. The best gear comes from doing raids. Raids require 24 other people including yourself. Depending on your class, you could have 4-5 other people of that 24 competing with you for the gear and weapons that drop. That means you could have to go into these places hundreds of time before you get the gear you want.

Then, by the time you are all decked out an expansion or patch will be released and you'll be back to square 1 with everyone else.

...and no, the game never ends. You can't beat it. The game ends when Blizzard stops releasing expansion packs and content patches for the game. I don't know how old you are, but that could be 10 years of your life down the drain. Then what? Was it worth it?

Definitely not. :o

[MKZ]

It's the best way to roll. I run mine at 1080i via DVI and it's GORGEOUS. Not only that, but when you turn on Anti-aliasing, it looks even better.

http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50838&page=16
I found that (http://www.mcminone.com/product.asp?product_id=58-12110&catalog_name=MCMProducts) on clubhouse, good deal.

[jakelm]

It's a pretty competitive game. The best gear comes from doing raids. Raids require 24 other people including yourself. Depending on your class, you could have 4-5 other people of that 24 competing with you for the gear and weapons that drop. That means you could have to go into these places hundreds of time before you get the gear you want.

Then, by the time you are all decked out an expansion or patch will be released and you'll be back to square 1 with everyone else.

...and no, the game never ends. You can't beat it. The game ends when Blizzard stops releasing expansion packs and content patches for the game. I don't know how old you are, but that could be 10 years of your life down the drain. Then what? Was it worth it?

Definitely not. :o


I'm 32 and do not have 10 years to spend on a game...lol

[jakelm]

Just watched the trailer to Guild Wars (GW for short) , that looks about what I'm looking for. Very interesting game after reading the synopsis.

Is there a LOTR or Dudeons and Dragons online game? Or any other mystical games out there, (that are worth playing)?

[jakelm]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814145148

This card should be conciderable upgrade from the Geforce 5500 I have now. And its HDCP compliant.

Or would this Biostar OPEN BOX be better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141061R

[MKZ]

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814145148

This card should be conciderable upgrade from the Geforce 5500 I have now. And its HDCP compliant.

Or would this Biostar OPEN BOX be better?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814141061R

I would go with 8500GT.
Compare the memory.

GeForce 8500GT Memory
Memory Clock 800MHz
Memory Size 256MB
Memory Interface 128-bit
Memory Type GDDR2

GeForce 8400GS Memory
Memory Clock 533MHz
Memory Size 256MB
Memory Interface 64-bit
Memory Type GDDR2

[jakelm]

Ok. Now what about the audio of these games?

I have digital out. Are any of these games in DD or surround of any kind?

[MKZ]

Ok. Now what about the audio of these games?

I have digital out. Are any of these games in DD or surround of any kind?

I use Sennheiser (http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/category.asp?transid=cat0) closed headphones, try not to bother others.

[Refefer]

Ok. Now what about the audio of these games?

I have digital out. Are any of these games in DD or surround of any kind?

All PC games since 2001 have surround sound. I've always used analog outs for it though, so I don't know how much I can add.

[jakelm]

I use Sennheiser (http://www.sennheiserusa.com/newsite/category.asp?transid=cat0) closed headphones, try not to bother others.


Screw dat.... If I'm going to be up bettering my self at a game..SO WILL EVERYONE ELSE....MMMUUAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA:p


...actually, since I cant afford a divorce YET , I think good headphone are a great idea...

[michael_w]

Pretty much the same experience here too. I played for a year or two focusing on my lvl 60 undead priest. It never really got boring but I just got tired of spending soooo much time on the game. To accomplish anything at that level meant that I had to spend 5 to 12 hours in ONE CHUNK with about 39 other people and as a healer, if I bailed the group was screwed. The countless all nighters and runs until 6am didn't sit well after a while. I don't regret playing and it was a ton of fun, but just be aware of the time commitment after you start to get higher and higher level.

BTW, I played on an amd sempron 2600+ (1.83ghz), 512mb, integrated graphics.... Healing a group of 40 at anywhere between 0.5 to 8fps is tough at times but I got used to it and was actually fairly good (very rarely died from other players).

[audiobliss]

I use Sennheisers for gaming, too. Love 'em!

[jakelm]

Pretty much the same experience here too. I played for a year or two focusing on my lvl 60 undead priest. It never really got boring but I just got tired of spending soooo much time on the game. To accomplish anything at that level meant that I had to spend 5 to 12 hours in ONE CHUNK with about 39 other people and as a healer, if I bailed the group was screwed. The countless all nighters and runs until 6am didn't sit well after a while. I don't regret playing and it was a ton of fun, but just be aware of the time commitment after you start to get higher and higher level.

BTW, I played on an amd sempron 2600+ (1.83ghz), 512mb, integrated graphics.... Healing a group of 40 at anywhere between 0.5 to 8fps is tough at times but I got used to it and was actually fairly good (very rarely died from other players).

Thanks Micheal. No offence, but thats a much less powerfull PC than what I have. And you say you had no problems? No delays are freezes?

[Refefer]

Grab the Sennheiser 280HDs. They are closed headphones and are driven by weak sound cards very well.

[jakelm]

I use Sennheisers for gaming, too. Love 'em!

Well if I hook it up to the big screen , I would like to use the HT also.. Thats why I was asking about Dolby Digital.

[BaggedLancer]

Stay far, far, far away from WoW.....that game consumes your life, breaks marriages, causes you lose friends....and more.....

[Silverti]

Hmmmm...Guild Wars? Sounds like a branch of WoW. I wish they had a good Dugeons and Dragons MMORPG.

I am spoiled to HD 360. It might be hard to go back to "Nentendo" looking graphics

I ran and designed a persistent world module in Never Winter Nights 1 for over 4 years. I had 3 mirrors around the country. We served over 200000 players in that time. I took in over $10000 in donations to continually beef up the main server (which was in my house). God, I think I know just about every statistic that one could know about D&D after that epic adventure. It was the 2nd module put in the hall of fame by IGN early on.

That game is about as good as it has gotten for D&D so far.

[Silverti]

Stay far, far, far away from WoW.....that game consumes your life, breaks marriages, causes you lose friends....and more.....

Just say the truth :)

Installing Wow on your computer is like taking that first hit of crack :)

[BaggedLancer]

Just say the truth :)

Installing Wow on your computer is like taking that first hit of crack :)

haha, just saw this now...talk about the truth.....

I remember when I started playing Everquest when it first came out.....when I quit only 3 and a half years later I had 580 days played on the counter :(

EDIT: I forgot to mention, that was my SECOND account, I ebayed my first one...a halfling rogue named Stabbed

For WoW....i probably had over a year played since i played 7 days a week in the best group on the server.....was a dwarf rogue named Mohammad.....durka durka :)

[Sami]

Thanks Micheal. No offence, but thats a much less powerfull PC than what I have. And you say you had no problems? No delays are freezes?

WOW doesn't require a powerful computer to run it. If you want a RPG with nice graphics, Oblivion, although it's not a multi player game.

I played WOW for a while but for me it wasn't worth it. Never had the time it requires to play so I sticked to my FPS and strategy games.

[Silverti]

I saw this stuff starting back in EQ and was even thinking back then that even by now there would some serious social things in place by now to treat games addiction seriously. I still believe that in 10 years game addiction clinics will be around as much as AA.

I've seen some serious shit in Wow... seriously crazy people who spend 24 hours a day for a week playing then thing. I don’t even know how they sleep.

Worse thing I ever did was in EQ where I camped an item for 36 hours strait.

[BaggedLancer]

I saw this stuff starting back in EQ and was even thinking back then that even by now there would some serious social things in place by now to treat games addiction seriously. I still believe that in 10 years game addiction clinics will be around as much as AA.

I've seen some serious shit in Wow... seriously crazy people who spend 24 hours a day for a week playing then thing. I don’t even know how they sleep.

Worse thing I ever did was in EQ where I camped an item for 36 hours strait.


My addiction to EQ was worse, we were basically "on call"(other members had phone numbers to call us) when certain things spawned? What server did you play on? I was on Veeshan in FoH when I quit....a member for about a week and couldn't take it anymroe...(you aren't a true EQer if you don't know that guild :D )

[Silverti]

My addiction to EQ was worse, we were basically "on call"(other members had phone numbers to call us) when certain things spawned? What server did you play on? I was on Veeshan in FoH when I quit....a member for about a week and couldn't take it anymroe...(you aren't a true EQer if you don't know that guild :D )

I started in 97 with the beta 1 test of Ultima online and played that until EQ came out. This came out in my senior year of college and there’s no way I would have graduated if it had come out a year earlier.

I only played EQ for the first year and got out about a month or so after the first upgrade. I had a lvl 50 magician with the full "hate" gear and then I took him to lvl 57 (with a lvl 40+.. hell.. what was that class that cast SOW?). I sold the account on ebay for $1000. IT was on the biggest server at the time.


I moved to DAOC and played for a lil over a year and sold that account for $1000.

Then I went back to Ultima Online for a year and sold my accounts for another $1000.

[jakelm]

What do you all mean "sold account"? You sold your ID and password?

And explain the "server" you keep talking about. There is a seperate server?

[BaggedLancer]

I started in 97 with the beta 1 test of Ultima online and played that until EQ came out. This came out in my senior year of college and there’s no way I would have graduated if it had come out a year earlier.

I only played EQ for the first year and got out about a month or so after the first upgrade. I had a lvl 50 magician with the full "hate" gear and then I took him to lvl 57 (with a lvl 40+.. hell.. what was that class that cast SOW?). I sold the account on ebay for $1000. IT was on the biggest server at the time.


I moved to DAOC and played for a lil over a year and sold that account for $1000.

Then I went back to Ultima Online for a year and sold my accounts for another $1000.

Druid and Ranger(much later) had SoW

I know you and the rest are going to call bullshit on it but I ebayed my account for just over $4,000. You name it, I had it.....my rogue was badass. Also had a Druid that from the first level had gear that was worth ridiculous money. Another stupid halfling with things like fungi tunic, manastone, etc... Rogue had jboots, full growth armor, and more...I still can't believe to this day I managed to graduate high school playing that game.

[BaggedLancer]

What do you all mean "sold account"? You sold your ID and password?

And explain the "server" you keep talking about. There is a seperate server?

Back before Sony starting cracking down people would ebay their accounts....this way rich people who liked to waste money could be intangible goods at insane prices without spending years of their life to do it like us foolish people.

The game had 50 servers or so to choose from, so your character was only on that one server that you had to log into each time.

And yes, after canceling your account and removing your credit card info, you would transfer your ID and password to the lucky buyer of nothing!

[jakelm]

OK......

Gear that cost money?

Biggest servers?

Sold account for thousands of dollars?

What kind of game is this?

And I thought I knew games....lol

[BaggedLancer]

OK......

Gear that cost money?

Biggest servers?

Sold account for thousands of dollars?

What kind of game is this?

And I thought I knew games....lol

It's not just a game....it's a lifestyle......it ruins family, friends, your personal hygiene, you name it and it ruins it....it's called MMORPG's(Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games)

And you can't sell accounts anymore...you risk getting caught and getting permanately banned.

A hot site for it used to be www.playerauctions.com

[jakelm]

I see....you level the character up.... get it far in the game, then sell out to someone who does want to have to word for it.. I gotcha..

How did you pick a server...or was it chosin for you?

Please explain this server thingy....

[BaggedLancer]

I see....you level the character up.... get it far in the game, then sell out to someone who does want to have to word for it.. I gotcha..

How did you pick a server...or was it chosin for you?

Now you cant egay your account? How does Sony control the accounts?

You pick any server you want when you first register.

Sony and Blizzard will sometimes be the ones that buy the account, ban you, then get the money back because you sold copyrighted material.

Also, it's not hard to tell a character that is very far in the game...servers are small enough you begin to remember people and how they equip themselves.

[jakelm]

It's not just a game....it's a lifestyle......it ruins family, friends, your personal hygiene, you name it and it ruins it....it's called MMORPG's(Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games)

And you can't sell accounts anymore...you risk getting caught and getting permanately banned.

A hot site for it used to be www.playerauctions.com


The site seems to be still in use.

Does gear cost money? Its not like any other game, you have to pay for gear?

[BaggedLancer]

The site seems to be still in use.

Does gear cost money? Its not like any other game, you have to pay for gear?

The site is still in use for selling gold....you use gold to buy things in the game but often it is very hard to earn.

You don't NEED to pay for gear, you earn it, but you also have the option to sell some of it on sites like that although it's usually frowned upon.

[jakelm]

You pick any server you want when you first register.

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Are different servers different prices? And how do you know how large a server is? I hear alot "and it was on one of the largest servers"

[BaggedLancer]

Are different servers different prices? And how do you know how large a server is? I hear alot "and it was on one of the largest servers"

No, there are no prices for the servers, when you buy the game it entitles you to join whatever server you want to play on. Maybe another friend plays on X server so it allows you to join that server.

A large server is one with alot of people who play regularly on it.

[jakelm]

The site is still in use for selling gold....you use gold to buy things in the game but often it is very hard to earn.

You don't NEED to pay for gear, you earn it, but you also have the option to sell some of it on sites like that although it's usually frowned upon.

OK so it IS like any other game. Ther farther you go in the game, the more money or tokens or gold....etc, you earn, to buy items..


Selling fake money for a game,...thats serious...

[Silverti]

Ya, I’ve tried to sell my Wow account but its been almost impossible with Blizzard. I still pay for it every month to just keep it alive. Accounts don’t go for much now-a-days but I would think I could find someone to pay over $1000 for an account with 5 lvl 70's (with pretty much rank 10+… or comparable… in pvp on all 5) and 4 lvl 35's. I really haven’t for some time. I tried eBay once and had a hit on $1000 but ebay shut it down.

[jakelm]

No, there are no prices for the servers, when you buy the game it entitles you to join whatever server you want to play on. Maybe another friend plays on X server so it allows you to join that server.

A large server is one with alot of people who play regularly on it.

Oh I see, this way you dont have 5 million people on one playing map... wouldnt be able to move around much.

But wouldnt you want to be on a small server?? Not alot of people to pick up all the good items? Or is there no items or such, laying around , hidden for you to find?

[BaggedLancer]

Oh yea, these games are serious haha.

I didn't even try to sell my WoW account....gave it to the guild that I earned all the equipment in to keep for a spare toon since it was so easy to dual box WoW accounts. Unlike EQ where you actually needed 2 computers you could just use a dual monitor setup for 2 accounts in WoW, which i did when i was running my gold farming bots :D

[BaggedLancer]

Oh I see, this way you dont have 5 million people on one playing map... wouldnt be able to move around much.

But wouldnt you want to be on a small server?? Not alot of people to pick up all the good items? Or is there no items or such, laying around , hidden for you to find?

Smaller servers mean less people. Less people means smaller guilds(teams). Smaller guilds means less chance of killing the big baddies for the nice gear.

[jakelm]

Oh yea, these games are serious haha.

I didn't even try to sell my WoW account....gave it to the guild that I earned all the equipment in to keep for a spare toon since it was so easy to dual box WoW accounts. Unlike EQ where you actually needed 2 computers you could just use a dual monitor setup for 2 accounts in WoW, which i did when i was running my gold farming bots :D

You would play multiple accounts at one time? Is the game that slow?

[jakelm]

Is this game a real time game? What I mean is, if you and 10 friends are at a point in a game where you lets say, get to a room you need to beat. Another group can walk right passed you, beat the room and take everything in it? Leaving you with nothing?

[BaggedLancer]

You would play multiple accounts at one time? Is the game that slow?

Nah, not slow....just sometimes you need an extra character for something....like farming gold :D

[BaggedLancer]

Is this game a real time game? What I mean is, if you and 10 friends are at a point in a game where you lets say, get to a room you need to beat. Another group can walk right passed you, beat the room and take everything in it? Leaving you with nothing?

Yep....unless you are in an "instance" which only the group you are in has access to. And once you kill a baddie it permanately locks you in for a week or 2 depending on the instance so everytime you go in you are in the same one.

[jakelm]

With as many people playing, isnt there a chance you can be in the same area (map) as 5 or 6 other groups, all racing to get to a spot first? Or do you just kill ther other group and get the loot for yourselves? Or do groups have their own area to play in?

[BaggedLancer]

With as many people playing, isnt there a chance you can be in the same area (map) as 5 or 6 other groups, all racing to get to a spot first? Or do you just kill ther other group and get the loot for yourselves? Or do groups have their own area to play in?

Depends if you are on a pvp or pve server....and yes, if all those are racing to get something...first group to "tag" the bad guy it's their kill, no matter who does the most damage.

[jakelm]

So you can sit back, let another guild run in and start killing, then run in after, when the cost gets clear and kill the bad guy? And its your kill? Wouldnt those other players be pissed? You just running in, after they took down the defence, and you kill the main guy.

[Shannon W.]

Im kinda Liking the New HP Blackbird 002 system. I watched them play Crysis on it and that thing didn't even break a sweat and was busting it out a 30 frames per Sec.

Shannon

[BaggedLancer]

So you can sit back, let another guild run in and start killing, then run in after, when the cost gets clear and kill the bad guy? And its your kill? Wouldnt those other players be pissed? You just running in, after they took down the defence, and you kill the main guy.

www.worldofwarcraft.com read up......no more hijacking this thread :D

[jakelm]

www.worldofwarcraft.com read up......no more hijacking this thread :D


LOL..Its my thread...this is kinda why I started it. PC gaming WoW? Talking about the game WoW

...but ok, I was just enjoying talking about it..

[BaggedLancer]

LOL..Its my thread...this is kinda why I started it. PC gaming WoW? Talking about the game WoW

...but ok, I was just enjoying talking about it..

Oh, in that case, hijack on!

If you ran in and stole it yes they would be pissed. But if it was in an instance that couldn't happen...in the regular environment absolutely and that's what makes the game cutthroat....best of the best wins.

However, if they attacked it first then you jumped in and helped kill it you couldnt take the equipment, only they would have the rights to take the equipment...the game physically wouldnt let you do it.

[Demiurge]

Good lord, stop asking so many questions, and don't install the damn game on your PC. ;)

[BaggedLancer]

Good lord, stop asking so many questions, and don't install the damn game on your PC. ;)

damnit that was going to be my next response......don't make the mistake of installing it

[jakelm]

Good lord, stop asking so many questions, and don't install the damn game on your PC. ;)

Did a Night Elf ruin your day?:p

Look...I cant do crack anymore, so I need to do something..lol


Ok...I'll quit asking questions that partain to the thread...


Sooo...Hows the weather?

[Face]

Buy Team Fortress 2, it'll keep you busy for a while.

[BaggedLancer]

Buy Team Fortress 2, it'll keep you busy for a while.

for a while....WoW will keep him busy for a lifetime...;)

[jakelm]

I'll just go sit in my corner and play pac man...

[Demiurge]

Good idea. :)

[MKZ]

I found this cheap if you haven't bought the graphic card.
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=205097705