Week #11 NFL

[BaggedLancer]

Discuss.

The kick by Dawson on the browns that hit the left upright then bounced off the support beam and back out....totally ridiculous and will never happen again while any of us are alive.

Dallas came close to blowing towards the end there.

How about everyone elses opinions?

[RuSsMaN]

The Dallas game was ugly on a lot of plays, but a W is a W, period. Welcome to the TO show.

How about Green Bay, who'da thunk it?

New England continues to dominate so far, what does it take to stop them? Who can?

[BaggedLancer]

Definately a strange week in the NFL. Didn't get to see green bay, but who would have thought the jets over the steelers? no way.

And yes, NE continues to dominate....long as brady/moss are healthy they are unstoppable.

[BaggedLancer]

lol moss with 4 TD catches in the first half.......gooooo patriots....bring that score up in the high 60's and i'll be happy :D

[RuSsMaN]

I'll still take TO over Moss, just based on yards after catch.

[BaggedLancer]

I love how they say patriots are piling them on now, it's only 42-7. Still plenty of room to go.

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I think I figured out why I don't like the Patriots. To me it just isn't fun to watch a contest when the outcome is never in question.

I like to watch games where I have the excitement of the contest itself, the close matches. Sure I like my team to win, sure it's heartbreaking sometimes when they don't in an important game, sometimes it's nerve-wrecking to watch, btu the excitement is waht I like. I'll take a game where my team wins by 3 over a game where they blow out the opponent everytime as long as it's exciting to watch.

When Indy beat NE last year in the AFC game, that was awesome. Sure I was nervous when the fell behind, but looking back on the game now it's more memorable, same thing when they did it to Chicago in the super bowl.

It's neat watching a team dominate the competition like NE, but to me they're just this big, lifeless machine. I mean, how do you root for someone when you already know they're gonna win, where's the excitement?

[BaggedLancer]

Discuss.

The kick by Dawson on the browns that hit the left upright then bounced off the support beam and back out....totally ridiculous and will never happen again while any of us are alive.


Wow, I just ate my own words, bills kicker just hit the same bar and it bounced back on the field!

[bobman1235]

Wow, I just ate my own words, bills kicker just hit the same bar and it bounced back on the field!

Actually hit the camera.

There's been a few kicks I've seen just this year that have hit the crossbar, it's not THAT rare.

[BaggedLancer]

Actually hit the camera.

There's been a few kicks I've seen just this year that have hit the crossbar, it's not THAT rare.

Camera is on the pole behind the crossbar, that is rare to see. Same with the kick from the browns earlier today.....they hit the vertical pole, not the crossbar.

[hearingimpared]

New England continues to dominate so far, what does it take to stop them? Who can?

A coach with a camera on them!

[ninerbj]

That was the most bizzar thing I have seen in years. Good call by the officials.

RC whats going on? I logged in tonight to see if I gained any ground on you and you were a no show!

[John in MA]

I think I figured out why I don't like the Patriots. To me it just isn't fun to watch a contest when the outcome is never in question.

I like to watch games where I have the excitement of the contest itself, the close matches. Sure I like my team to win, sure it's heartbreaking sometimes when they don't in an important game, sometimes it's nerve-wrecking to watch, btu the excitement is waht I like. I'll take a game where my team wins by 3 over a game where they blow out the opponent everytime as long as it's exciting to watch.

When Indy beat NE last year in the AFC game, that was awesome. Sure I was nervous when the fell behind, but looking back on the game now it's more memorable, same thing when they did it to Chicago in the super bowl.

It's neat watching a team dominate the competition like NE, but to me they're just this big, lifeless machine. I mean, how do you root for someone when you already know they're gonna win, where's the excitement?


I understand where you're coming from, but honestly at this point I'm happy with 40+ points per game and undefeated on the season.

The Pats did almost lose the Indy game, it's not like they're completely unstoppable.

[ninerbj]

They still won, and with a record of 11-0...looks unstopable to me. 5 bucks and my left one says there isn't a team playing in the league today that can beat these bastages.

[Jstas]

The Cowboys game was a fun one to watch for sure! But no matter how good either Washington or Dallas is doing that year, both teams seem to struggle with each other. It's rarely an outright win but always an interesting game to watch. Cowboys and Redskins...just like Cowboys and Indians! It's a big rivalry in the NFL and I love watchin the game!

As far as T.O. over Moss, I gotta agree with RuSsMaN. T.O. leads Mr. Ross is many categories in a single season, a single game and at a career level. Statistically, T.O. is the better player. Subjectively, it's a toss up.

[shadowofnight]

I love how they say patriots are piling them on now, it's only 42-7. Still plenty of room to go.

Let em say that crap all they want...when you are going for an undefeated season you dont want any that showed you squeeked by ( Like Indys win today ) ...you want domination to show. Sure a W is a W...but who wants those during an undefeated season to have games won barely by 3 points from a kicker . Belichick did the right thing and sat Brady in the 4th .

[shadowofnight]

As far as T.O. over Moss, I gotta agree with RuSsMaN. T.O. leads Mr. Ross is many categories in a single season, a single game and at a career level. Statistically, T.O. is the better player. Subjectively, it's a toss up.

One things not a toss up....no matter how PC they are both acting this year...I watched them enough years to know they are both assholes.

[TroyD]

The big surprise for me was Pittsburgh losing to the Jets?? WTF was THAT all about? Seems to have been a lot of talk about the Steelers being the team to challenge the Pats....not if they play like THAT you don't.

NE is NOT unbeatable. Close but they DO have weaknesses. They aren't terribly effective running the ball. If a team could slow down the passing attack (easier said than done)...NE won't win games on the ground. Two, they are suspect against the run. I think it's entirely possible that a team that can take it up the middle and control the clock, could beat the Pats. As I see it, those are the two weaknesses that NE has.

BDT

[TroyD]

One things not a toss up....no matter how PC they are both acting this year...I watched them enough years to know they are both assholes.

I'm not disagreeing however, in the case of Moss, so far in addition to taking a less-than-extraordinary salary...he's kept his mouth shut and has been toeing the company line. Does that mean that he has seen the light? Maybe not but so far, so good.

BDT

[mrbigbluelight]

One thing that's impressed me with Moss this year is his willingness to run routes over the middle.

Sure, that's his job when called upon, but there's a lot of receivers that balk at the idea doing that.
If Moss goes across the middle, and touches the ball, he catches it even though he knows he's going to get whacked.
Then he keeps his yapper shut.

[bobman1235]

The kick by Dawson on the browns that hit the left upright then bounced off the support beam and back out....totally ridiculous and will never happen again while any of us are alive.


Here's some video (http://awfulannouncing.blogspot.com/2007/11/clevelands-kicker-phil-dawson-is.html) so you can see it again :)

[66chevyIISS]

I still can't believe the Seahawks and Bears got bumped off primetime just so everyone could watch the Pariots beat on a bad Bills teams.

[Refefer]

I still can't believe the Seahawks and Bears got bumped off primetime just so everyone could watch the Pariots beat on a bad Bills teams.

The Patriots are on route currently to break 4 single season records right now, as well as going undefeated for the second time in history.

1. Single Season Touchdown's thrown record: Tom Brady 38 - 49 (Set by Peyton Manning)
2. Single Season Passer Rating record: Tom Brady 133.2 - 121.1 (Set by Peyton Manning)
3. Single Season Completion Percentage Record: 73.96 - 70.55 (Set by Ken Anderson)
4. Single Season Touchdown Reception record: Randy Moss 16 - 22 (Set by Jerry Rice)


The national interest, despite arguably boring blowouts, is pretty much as piqued as you can get. I must admit I would like to see more games like when they faced the colts though. Both Peyton and Brady have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to each other, both defenses are stellar, and it was a helluva game to watch. Come on Steelers, make it interesting!

[shadowofnight]

The Patriots are on route currently to break 4 single season records right now, as well as going undefeated for the second time in history.

1. Single Season Touchdown's thrown record: Tom Brady 38 - 49 (Set by Peyton Manning)
2. Single Season Passer Rating record: Tom Brady 133.2 - 121.1 (Set by Peyton Manning)
3. Single Season Completion Percentage Record: 73.96 - 70.55 (Set by Ken Anderson)
4. Single Season Touchdown Reception record: Randy Moss 16 - 22 (Set by Jerry Rice)


The national interest, despite arguably boring blowouts, is pretty much as piqued as you can get. I must admit I would like to see more games like when they faced the colts though. Both Peyton and Brady have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to each other, both defenses are stellar, and it was a helluva game to watch. Come on Steelers, make it interesting!


Will be GLUED to the set for that game....even with their loss to the Jets...the Steelers could possibly be ( Even though I dont think so....I say they go undefeated ...but it will at least be entertaining to watch ) the fly in the ointment.

Brady just looks like he is doing crossword puzzles in the pocket...his offensive line deserves soooo much credit.

[BaggedLancer]

I'm all for interesting games as well, but 4th quarter patriots put in Cassel with the 5th string running back(Eckels) and the bills were still unable to stop the running game.

When the other team lacks the ability to stop a mish mash offense like that you are gonna have blowouts.

Also, like the announcers said, the pats are a professional football team, they came to play the game and they certainly aren't going to take out their first stringers in the beginning of the 3rd quarter just to "play nice". They came to play and that is exactly what they are going. There were TWO 4th down conversions that the bills had a chance to stop the pats and get the ball back without them scoring any points, both times they failed and the pats went in for 2 more scores.

I do hope the steelers give the pats a run for their money so i can actually sit in front of my tv and watch the game rather than play on the computer listening to it in the background cause the score is 35-7 at the half.

[Demiurge]

The Patriots are on route currently to break 4 single season records right now, as well as going undefeated for the second time in history.

1. Single Season Touchdown's thrown record: Tom Brady 38 - 49 (Set by Peyton Manning)
2. Single Season Passer Rating record: Tom Brady 133.2 - 121.1 (Set by Peyton Manning)
3. Single Season Completion Percentage Record: 73.96 - 70.55 (Set by Ken Anderson)
4. Single Season Touchdown Reception record: Randy Moss 16 - 22 (Set by Jerry Rice)

The national interest, despite arguably boring blowouts, is pretty much as piqued as you can get. I must admit I would like to see more games like when they faced the colts though. Both Peyton and Brady have a chip on their shoulders when it comes to each other, both defenses are stellar, and it was a helluva game to watch. Come on Steelers, make it interesting!

Didn't a shitty Dolphins team spoil the last proclaimed undefeated season? Sounds like a lot of premature ejaculation going on. Lets give them props for doing it when it actually happens, because I know none of the Pats fans will be around here admitting when/if they're wrong. ;)

They have upset written all over them. Expect the unexpected. It can happen, and the Colts proved there's a lot of mystique on top of the talent.


- President of The World vs The Patriots Organization

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

I really hope Moss doesn't catch Rice. I hate to see an asshat like Moss grab a record from someone like Rice. If Harrison were to be up for it, I'd accept it, but not someone like Moss or TO, just doesn't seem right.

Yeah I get it, everybody's saying the same thing about Moss and TO this year. They're great 'team players' and they've changed - that's because they're WINNING!. The same thing happened when Moss went to Oakland and TO first showed up in Philly, that they were changed men. But ass soon as their teams started losing, they started being themselves again. it's easy to be happy when you're winning, it takes character to stand up and be a leader when you're losing.

Moss and TO are asshats, and always will be until they prove otherwise. There's no denying their physical talent, but it sickens me when a record of someone like Rice falls to someone like this. I know football is not a personality contest, but I still have a good guy/bbad guy complex...

[Demiurge]

I wouldn't worry about Moss. Like TO, they're not cancers when they're winning. The true character of any of these men is what they're like when they're losing. How they react in the face of adversity. You can look around the leaugue and find leaders, TO and Randy Moss aren't leaders. Phenomenal athletes, but that all gets turned off when they're not winning.

I'm all for interesting games as well, but 4th quarter patriots put in Cassel with the 5th string running back(Eckels) and the bills were still unable to stop the running game.

When the other team lacks the ability to stop a mish mash offense like that you are gonna have blowouts.

Also, like the announcers said, the pats are a professional football team, they came to play the game and they certainly aren't going to take out their first stringers in the beginning of the 3rd quarter just to "play nice". They came to play and that is exactly what they are going. There were TWO 4th down conversions that the bills had a chance to stop the pats and get the ball back without them scoring any points, both times they failed and the pats went in for 2 more scores.

I do hope the steelers give the pats a run for their money so i can actually sit in front of my tv and watch the game rather than play on the computer listening to it in the background cause the score is 35-7 at the half.

Two 4th down conversions the Bills didn't stop? What was the score? That was all the controversy against the Redskins. What team goes for it on 4th down when they're up by 2-3 scores or more in the 2nd half? :confused: I watch all the Packer games, since they're my team. I have no illusions of grandeur when I watch that team, but I did watch a handfull of games where they were dishing out absolute ass whippings.

They punted on 4th downs when the game was clearly in hand and they pulled most of their starters.

I have a friend playing O-line for the Browns right now and another who is an ex-Eagle. It is considered disrespectfull to steamroll your opponnent by the other players who are on the field. Being beat is one thing. Rubbing their nose in it is another, and running it on 4th down with the game in hand is doing exactly that. Right or wrong, someone WILL attempt taking a cheap shot when they get an opportunity. It does happen.

[bobman1235]

I really hope Moss doesn't catch Rice. I hate to see an asshat like Moss grab a record from someone like Rice. If Harrison were to be up for it, I'd accept it, but not someone like Moss or TO, just doesn't seem right.

I'm a Pats fan, and love them running up the score (because this is PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL, not ballerina school), but I completely agree with the above sentiment. Even though I find Randy Moss awe-inspiring on the field, and am glad he is playing well for my team, I loathe him as a human being. Even last night, watching the introductions, when he said his name in the lineup, I just got angry at him for being such a douche and forcing me to tolerate his attitude just because he's a good football player. And I'd hate to see a seemingly classy, nice guy (Rice) supplanted in the record books by someone as unlikable as Moss (or TO, same person).

But seriously, get over the running up the score thing. I love how the same guys who complain about the wussification of America are here complaining about running up the score just because it's the hated Patriots doing it.

[BaggedLancer]

Two 4th down conversions the Bills didn't stop? What was the score? That was all the controversy against the Redskins. What team goes for it on 4th down when they're up by 2-3 scores or more in the 2nd half? :confused: I watch all the Packer games, since they're my team. I have no illusions of grandeur when I watch that team, but I did watch a handfull of games where they were dishing out absolute ass whippings.

They punted on 4th downs when the game was clearly in hand and they pulled most of their starters.

I have a friend playing O-line for the Browns right now and another who is an ex-Eagle. It is considered disrespectfull to steamroll your opponnent by the other players who are on the field. Being beat is one thing. Rubbing their nose in it is another, and running it on 4th down with the game in hand is doing exactly that. Right or wrong, someone WILL attempt taking a cheap shot when they get an opportunity. It does happen.

The reason for them converting the 4th downs was because the only option would have been to kick a 25 or less yard field goal, so they figured rather than "PILING ON MORE POINTS" they would give the bills a chance to shut them down and stop all the points. BOTH times the Bills failed the pats went in for the touchdown to add 2 more scores on the board(the 14 between 35 adn 49).

Some of you people fail to realize that these professional players get played to play 4 quarters of football, not be taken out at the beginning of the 2nd half. You can't just stop playing the game. They get paid millions to play, not sit on the sideline and watch the 3rd and 4th string have a scrimmage. If the score ends up 80-10 so be it, the losing team can try harder next time.

The pats made a great call both times going for it on 4th and giving the bills a chance to stop more points and try and make the game closer. It just so happens they failed.

[Shizelbs]

Yeah, I thought I would tune into the Pats game about half over. Score, 42-10. Turned it right off. They look scary good right now.

Glad to see the Seahawks both win and play well against a decent team. Last week against the Niners was fun and all, but Chicago is clearly better than SF.

[Demiurge]

But seriously, get over the running up the score thing. I love how the same guys who complain about the wussification of America are here complaining about running up the score just because it's the hated Patriots doing it.

You know, you say the same crap in every single thread where someone craps on your team. Ever notice how you can't honestly defend them when they run the ball on 4th down when they're up by 3-4 touchdowns?

All you can do is relate it to some other topic which has nothing to do with the Patriots penchant for having to seemingly prove something (what, I don't know) by throwing up garbage points week after week.

Keep playing the victim, you wear it almost as well as Cliff did.

[bobman1235]

Dude, it's FOOTBALL, relax. And considering every week someone bellyaches about it, I just like to throw my support in for my team. What do you want me to say? "Yeah, I've been watching them since I was 4 years old with my dad, but now that they win by huge margins every week, I don't like them anymore." I'm not trying to be a victim, I understand the villain role, the Pats are villains. I've hated on teams in the past (the Colts just as recently as last year, probably) just like you guys are, and someone defended their favorite team when I did.

[Demiurge]

The reason for them converting the 4th downs was because the only option would have been to kick a 25 or less yard field goal, so they figured rather than "PILING ON MORE POINTS" they would give the bills a chance to shut them down and stop all the points. BOTH times the Bills failed the pats went in for the touchdown to add 2 more scores on the board(the 14 between 35 adn 49).

Some of you people fail to realize that these professional players get played to play 4 quarters of football, not be taken out at the beginning of the 2nd half. You can't just stop playing the game. They get paid millions to play, not sit on the sideline and watch the 3rd and 4th string have a scrimmage. If the score ends up 80-10 so be it, the losing team can try harder next time.

The pats made a great call both times going for it on 4th and giving the bills a chance to stop more points and try and make the game closer. It just so happens they failed.

You guys are great at rationalizing all of this aren't you? Good lord....

Fail to realize they're professional athletes? You're just not thinking. They get paid millions because of their percieved talent level and what the various organizations feel that's worth. Nothing more.

There is a controversy every single year about playing these same athletes when playoffs are completely wrapped up for a particular team. Do you sit a guy and risk him getting rusty or do you play him and risk injury? There's an actual arguable philosophy there.

There's no reason to leave that same investment on the field when a game is in hand. None. That's why the only answer we get from your coach is "Uh, what did you want us to do, kick a field goal?"

Yes, ass, kick a goddamn field goal. Like every other team does when their team is blowing out an opponent.

[shadowofnight]

The reason for them converting the 4th downs was because the only option would have been to kick a 25 or less yard field goal, so they figured rather than "PILING ON MORE POINTS" they would give the bills a chance to shut them down and stop all the points. BOTH times the Bills failed the pats went in for the touchdown to add 2 more scores on the board(the 14 between 35 adn 49).

Some of you people fail to realize that these professional players get played to play 4 quarters of football, not be taken out at the beginning of the 2nd half. You can't just stop playing the game. They get paid millions to play, not sit on the sideline and watch the 3rd and 4th string have a scrimmage. If the score ends up 80-10 so be it, the losing team can try harder next time.

The pats made a great call both times going for it on 4th and giving the bills a chance to stop more points and try and make the game closer. It just so happens they failed.

Exactly...kicking the field goal would have been uncalled for....going on 4th down and giving them a chance to stop them scoreless was a much better option.

[BaggedLancer]

You guys are great at rationalizing all of this aren't you? Good lord....

Fail to realize they're professional athletes? You're just not thinking. They get paid millions because of their percieved talent level and what the various organizations feel that's worth. Nothing more.

There is a controversy every single year about playing these same athletes when playoffs are completely wrapped up for a particular team. Do you sit a guy and risk him getting rusty or do you play him and risk injury? There's an actual arguable philosophy there.

There's no reason to leave that same investment on the field when a game is in hand. None. That's why the only answer we get from your coach is "Uh, what did you want us to do, kick a field goal?"

Yes, ass, kick a goddamn field goal. Like every other team does when their team is blowing out an opponent.

Why put more points on the on the board when you're giving the team a perfect opportunity to shut them down and stop all points, even the measly 3 from the field goal?

You aren't thinking by saying they would have been better off kicking the field goal and 100% putting more points on the board. Then we really would have been accused of piling on the points. I think it's a 100% better decision to go for it on 4th down and give the opposing team a chance to stop all scores and even land some decent field position.

And you think it's ok to take these players out after the first half? Have you forgotten that not only these players get paid to play, they get paid to entertain. No one wants to watch half a game of professional football on primetime with the patriots playing 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th string players. It's not why we pay for for HD sports channels.

[Demiurge]

Dude, it's FOOTBALL, relax. And considering every week someone bellyaches about it, I just like to throw my support in for my team. What do you want me to say? "Yeah, I've been watching them since I was 4 years old with my dad, but now that they win by huge margins every week, I don't like them anymore." I'm not trying to be a victim, I understand the villain role, the Pats are villains. I've hated on teams in the past (the Colts just as recently as last year, probably) just like you guys are, and someone defended their favorite team when I did.

I think it's you Pats fans that need to relax.....

If you'll re-read all of the posts, BaggedLancer opened the can up without any provocation. After that ONE guy mentions he likes more competitive games and suddely it's the poor Patriots, they just don't get any respect. :rolleyes:

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, I can and have appreciated dominance by teams I didn't like because of a rivalry. The Patriots aren't a team I have any rivalry, not to mentione they're not even in a conference I care about.

They're not a likable or admirable team. Sorry....

I don't wish ill on people, but I do wonder if Brady/Moss went down when it was 31-0 in the 2nd half how many Pats fans would go nuts about it as opposed to just shrugging their shoulders saying "eh, it happens."

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

bobman, captured my thoughts exactly.

I also don't really have an issue with them running up the score, at least not from an ethical standpoint. Hey, you're clearly better than the other team, why not go ahead and humiliate them in the process. It's probably not the most classy thing, but I certainly wouldn't call it wrong. I do have a couple observations to share though::

1 - It helps create, or at least foster, the perception that the team lacks any class or humulity. I personally don't have an issue with this, because honestly, you don't have any reason to be humble. You're clearly the best out there, so why not just go beat up on everyone? I'm okay with it, but understand how some people may not be. You're right, it's professional sports, not a Juniors flag football game. You just have to realize that alot of people won't like it and it's going to give you that image - Belichick realizes this, and obviously doesn't care, so what's to discuss really?

2 - Be careful though, because one day you're going to do it one too many times, and someone on the other side of the ball is going to get pissed and take one of your guys out. Is that the right thing to do, of course not, but human nature is going to take over at some point, and it only has to happen once. You've got 22 guys out on the field all hocked up on god knows what with adreneline pumping, and 11 of those guys are being humiliated. 99.9% everyone is going to keep things in perspective and realize it's just a game, but there's going to be that one guy who loses his temper, and decides he's going to take out Brady's knee or something - and it only takes once for that to happen. yeah that's always a risk in sports, but that risk becomes elevated when you run up the score on people. Wasn't it hanesworth of the Titans that did that last year to someone? What if someone takes that a step further and decides to go ahead and take out Brady for the rest of the season. No offense (pun?, but you guys ain't going to the Super Bowl without brady.

For some fans like myself, it loses some of the excitement. One of the things I don't like about college football is the blowouts, it's hard to watch a game when there's no competition and the outcome is never in question. Sure I'm happy because my team wins, but I don't enjoy watching the game as much. Since I have no tangible connection to the team, the mere fact of them winning does nothing for me. What's exciting is to see them duking it out in a hard fought battle.

To me, watching the patriots play is like watching the Sixth Sense. I already know what's gonna happen at the end, so what's the point?

[Demiurge]

Why put more points on the on the board when you're giving the team a perfect opportunity to shut them down and stop all points, even the measly 3 from the field goal?

You aren't thinking by saying they would have been better off kicking the field goal and 100% putting more points on the board. Then we really would have been accused of piling on the points. I think it's a 100% better decision to go for it on 4th down and give the opposing team a chance to stop all scores and even land some decent field position.

And you think it's ok to take these players out after the first half? Have you forgotten that not only these players get paid to play, they get paid to entertain. No one wants to watch half a game of professional football on primetime with the patriots playing 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th string players. It's not why we pay for for HD sports channels.

You're acting as if I am saying the scrubs shouldn't run plays. Are they passing the damn ball or are they running the clock down with draw plays? I've watched the games and they aren't running clock....

If they managed to march 75 yards down the field with draw plays, by all means, kick a field goal.

Like I said, you're rationalizing all of this because you're a fan.

Yes, it's more than okay to take these players out after the first half. They don't get paid to entertain or play 4 quarters of football. They get paid to help their team win games. The goal is to win, not see how many points you can run the score up on the other team.

I guess you and I are different. I love watching my QB get benched for destroying another team.

[bobman1235]

I think it's you Pats fans that need to relax.....

If you'll re-read all of the posts, BaggedLancer opened the can up without any provocation. After that ONE guy mentions he likes more competitive games and suddely it's the poor Patriots, they just don't get any respect. :rolleyes:


Well, from my standpoint, I think the Pats get a LOT of respect, at least from the media, I just think they're also vilified a little bit because of their overexposure. Look, most of what people, yourself included, say about them is TRUE - they run up the score, Belichick has a horrible attitude to the media - but because they're so prominent I think it's all exaggerated a little bit.

As for your last point, sure, we'd all be mortified if Brady went down because he was in too long, and we'd deserve it; that's the risk you take leaving your starters in (Brady was taken out a little bit into the fourth quarter last night, btw). If the Pats are willing to accept the risk of injury to their starters, then we all just hope it works out. If it doesn't ... then we got what we deserved, right?

[BaggedLancer]

You're acting as if I am saying the scrubs shouldn't run plays. Are they passing the damn ball or are they running the clock down with draw plays? I've watched the games and they aren't running clock....

If they managed to march 75 yards down the field with draw plays, by all means, kick a field goal.

Like I said, you're rationalizing all of this because you're a fan.

This past week they were running the clock and the bills were still failing to shut them down. Maroney was running through holes big enough for a school bus to fit there. The passing game was shut off early.

Yes, it's more than okay to take these players out after the first half. They don't get paid to entertain or play 4 quarters of football. They get paid to help their team win games. The goal is to win, not see how many points you can run the score up on the other team.

I guess you and I are different. I love watching my QB get benched for destroying another team.


It may be OK for you, but not for the millions of other fans that just watch their game to see their favorite player(Brady for 90% of women) play football, not sit on the bench. You are right they don't get paid to entertain, but they certain do need people to actually watch the game. People would stop going to games if you pulled the starting players in the first half, no one goes to a game to see the scrubs play a scrimmage.

[BaggedLancer]

As for your last point, sure, we'd all be mortified if Brady went down because he was in too long, and we'd deserve it; that's the risk you take leaving your starters in (Brady was taken out a little bit into the fourth quarter last night, btw). If the Pats are willing to accept the risk of injury to their starters, then we all just hope it works out. If it doesn't ... then we got what we deserved, right?

He was pulled 2 plays into the 4th when we had the 4th down conversion then the touchdown. More than acceptable to pull him then and let the rest of the players play.

[Demiurge]

Well, from my standpoint, I think the Pats get a LOT of respect, at least from the media, I just think they're also vilified a little bit because of their overexposure. Look, most of what people, yourself included, say about them is TRUE - they run up the score, Belichick has a horrible attitude to the media - but because they're so prominent I think it's all exaggerated a little bit.

As for your last point, sure, we'd all be mortified if Brady went down because he was in too long, and we'd deserve it; that's the risk you take leaving your starters in (Brady was taken out a little bit into the fourth quarter last night, btw). If the Pats are willing to accept the risk of injury to their starters, then we all just hope it works out. If it doesn't ... then we got what we deserved, right?

Since I find you to be a pretty rational person, yes. I know that generally speaking that's now what we'd be hearing from your run of the mill Pats fans.

I'll stop beating the horse now. Thanks for indulging me in shit talking for another week. :)

[AsSiMiLaTeD]

Why put more points on the on the board when you're giving the team a perfect opportunity to shut them down and stop all points, even the measly 3 from the field goal?I think you may be missing the point overall. It's not really the totals points that people are looking at, it's the games as a whole. Everyone know that you're going to make it when you go for it on 4th down - anyone watching the game, there was no question in their mind. So yeah, you're 'technically' giving them another chance to stop you, but everyone knows what you're really doing, humiliating them on their own field.

Again, i don't think it's really wrong, I just feel like they could maybe do a bit more to exhibit some class.

I understand the position though, I mean when you're just clearly THAT much better, what are you supposed to do - just turn the ball over on downs, run down to the 1 yard line then stop and hand it to the other team? Then people would be saying that you're humiliating them by not 'treating the like men'. I GET all that, I just think there may be other ways to handle it.

Having said that, yes I think kicking the field goals last night would have been the better route. That's what I would have done, personally.

[bobman1235]

Since I find you to be a pretty rational person

You haven't been paying attention, have you?

;)

[BaggedLancer]

I think you may be missing the point overall. It's not really the totals points that people are looking at, it's the games as a whole. Everyone know that you're going to make it when you go for it on 4th down - anyone watching the game, there was no question in their mind. So yeah, you're 'technically' giving them another chance to stop you, but everyone knows what you're really doing, humiliating them on their own field.

Again, i don't think it's really wrong, I just feel like they could maybe do a bit more to exhibit some class.

I understand the position though, I mean when you're just clearly THAT much better, what are you supposed to do - just turn the ball over on downs, run down to the 1 yard line then stop and hand it to the other team? Then people would be saying that you're humiliating them by not 'treating the like men'. I GET all that, I just think there may be other ways to handle it.

Having said that, yes I think kicking the field goals last night would have been the better route. That's what I would have done, personally.

That being said the score would have been 35 + 3 + 3 + 7

Therefore it would be 48-10 and we'd still be accused of racking up the score. It's a lose lose situation for Pats fans, you can't just stop playing the game after the first half.

[markmarc]

I'll virtually guarantee that some vital member of the Pats is going to have a serious cheap-shot injury because of the piling on of points.

That being said, the Colts did expose the Pats one weakness, a strong pass rush can slow their offense down. Freeney and Mathias had Brady playing like a human being. If I'm a defensive coordinator, I'd come up with the most original pass rush schemes possible. Don't even worry about the run, its the Pats passing game that kills teams.

I with Demi, etc., I despise self servers like Moss and T.O. Give me Hines Ward, Rod Smith, etc. wide out who actually block and believe in team first.

[Demiurge]

It may be OK for you, but not for the millions of other fans that just watch their game to see their favorite player(Brady for 90% of women) play football, not sit on the bench. You are right they don't get paid to entertain, but they certain do need people to actually watch the game. People would stop going to games if you pulled the starting players in the first half, no one goes to a game to see the scrubs play a scrimmage.

Spoiled much? You think it's a regular occurance where a team dishes out beatdowns like this year after year? Reality check, dood, someday the Pats are going to blow monkey ass like every other team in the NFL has. You'll long for the days your QB was benched at halftime for beating the other time like a redheaded stepchild.

[Silverti]

Seahawks are turning it around a bit now. They got Branch back and have their "blue man group" back in action. Matt's looking good. Running still hurting a bit but is Alexander can get that damn cast off it might change. Might be looking good going into the playoffs, could be a good "peaking at the right time" condition.

[hearingimpared]

Alert!!!!

[Silverti]

Alert!!!!

^^ I love your quoted comments, you have perfectly defined my opinion of you and your thread troll of my posts. Makes me warm and fuzzy that you spend that much time thinking about me.

[hearingimpared]

Lol!!! Great!!!

[fatchowmein]

Been a Cowboys fan ever since I stepped foot in Texas. Yesterday, the secondary made me very nervous, especially with the Packers coming up next.

Patriots play like my Madden franchise team. Total domination.

[BaggedLancer]

Spoiled much? You think it's a regular occurance where a team dishes out beatdowns like this year after year? Reality check, dood, someday the Pats are going to blow monkey ass like every other team in the NFL has. You'll long for the days your QB was benched at halftime for beating the other time like a redheaded stepchild.

Sorry, I don't think I'll ever long for those days. Nor do I think I'm spoiled much. Nor do I think it's a regular occurance the way the patriots are playing.

Seems you have a bit of a misunderstanding of me. Sorry about that.

[Silverti]

Sorry, I don't think I'll ever long for those days. Nor do I think I'm spoiled much. Nor do I think it's a regular occurance the way the patriots are playing.

Seems you have a bit of a misunderstanding of me. Sorry about that.

I shut that game down at what was it 55 to 10? That team is absolutely amazing to watch, you gotta admit it. No matter what you think of the team, they just trounce their opponents like they were high school teams.

But I’m still expecting some teams to take pot shots at their players.

But I dont think think anyone could even break through their offensice line to hit Brady... amazing.

[Demiurge]

Sorry, I don't think I'll ever long for those days. Nor do I think I'm spoiled much. Nor do I think it's a regular occurance the way the patriots are playing.

Seems you have a bit of a misunderstanding of me. Sorry about that.

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[BaggedLancer]

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I guess I'm a bit confused here, if you are comparing me to him you really don't understand how many levels of wrong you are....

Good luck to you though, since we could argue this topic for weeks and neither of us will change our stance....you continue to watch your NFL team, I will continue to watch mine. End of story.

[Shizelbs]

Seahawks are turning it around a bit now. They got Branch back and have their "blue man group" back in action. Matt's looking good. Running still hurting a bit but is Alexander can get that damn cast off it might change. Might be looking good going into the playoffs, could be a good "peaking at the right time" condition.

I am by no means a football expert, but IMO, the longer Alexander is out, the better. Morris just hits the hole harder. Its no coincidence, or luck, that the games with Morris in, have yielded better results.

[shadowofnight]

Hey, I am all for congratulating the other team for a game well played....but at the end of this monday night game I thought Cutler and Young were going to kiss :confused:

[Refefer]

I am by no means a football expert, but IMO, the longer Alexander is out, the better. Morris just hits the hole harder. Its no coincidence, or luck, that the games with Morris in, have yielded better results.

Yeah, I'm not too upset Alexander being out, but don't forget the return of DJ Hackett adding a whole heckuva lot to the table. Three big games so far and is making Hasselback look pretty good.

[Frank Z]

Broncos Win!! Woot!!

[markmarc]

As big of a Bronco fan as I am, nothing was better than watching Shawn Merriman getting de-cleated by the fireplug Jones-Drew.

[shack]

The Titans SUCK. I can't stand anything about that franchise and hope they lose EVERY game. I wish they would have stayed in Houston. They could have had Cutler coming out of Vandy but chose the "mobile" Vince Young. Nice payback Jay.

[jdhdiggs]

Shack: Are you a bit angry about the draft pick? ;)

Me, I like my teams pick-up! (GO BRONCOS!!!)

[Silverti]

I am by no means a football expert, but IMO, the longer Alexander is out, the better. Morris just hits the hole harder. Its no coincidence, or luck, that the games with Morris in, have yielded better results.

I am by no means a football expert, but IMO, the longer Alexander is out, the better. Morris just hits the hole harder. Its no coincidence, or luck, that the games with Morris in, have yielded better results.

I agree to a point. They should never have put him in with that cast and expected him to carry it in his left hand. I was even shocked when Matt threw him the ball a few times and it bounced off the cast lol! Heck, he couldn’t even throw a stiff arm. I think once he gets that off he might have a chance for a comeback but you are right, Morris is playing well and should get more time :)


How about Weaver! Hot!

[shack]

Shack: Are you a bit angry about the draft pick? ;)

Nope....I couldn't stand them from the day they arrived in town. Our company was one of their "official" sponsers and I had a chance to meet a few members of management. What a bunch of pricks. They acted like they were the "Big City heros" come to save TN from their backward ways. 0-16 would be too good for them.

[TroyD]

You know, Demi, as much as NE fans may whine...in your case, pot, kettle, black.

As for a poor Dolphins team ruining a perfect season.....the 84-85 Dolphins were division champs, if not mistaken. The were, IIRC, like 13-3 or 12-4...something like that. They were beaten by the Pats who were two touchdown underdogs. Oh, and the Pats got waxed by 36 points. I don't remember anybody whining about the Bears running up the score.

Running up the score? Asked and answered. Another wrinkle to that is, if I were Bellichick...I would continue to air it out as well. The Pats running backs tend to be injury prone so why expose them to more injury just so another team can save face. But, basically, as has been said...it's pro-football. If I personally don't watch games to see a team kill time and take a knee just because the game is out of reach. Patronizing another team is just as embarassing, IMO. You know, I don't remember anybody ever whining about running up the score before this year. Perhaps the NFL ought to make a three touchdown rule or some shit. If you are up by 21 points, you have to start taking a knee. Horseshit.

This years Pats are a freak of nature. Unlikely that we will see another team in any uniform this dominant in another generation. The stars and planets just seemed to line up....so why not run with it? Any way you slice it, this is good for football. A divisive team will inspire people to watch either A. to see them win or B. hope someone can upset them. Either way, people have an opinon and it generates interest.

Lastly, you'd think listening to some, like Demi, that us Pats fans don't know what it's like to have a losing team. I've watched the Pats for over 30 years now and they SUCKED for a long, long time. Eventually, they will suck again...and I'll still be a fan. When YOUR team kicks thier ass, like the 85 Bears did, I'll be bummed for my team and I'll respect the right of the other team to kick thier ass.

BDT

[Demiurge]

Hey Troy, as soon as you see me starting threads with the intent of ripping your team, your comment about me whining may hold some water.

I was quite simply responding to the hypersensitive Patriot fan who got all bent out of shape as soon as someone even hinted that the average fan watching them play is ungodly boring.

Who brought up running up the score in this thread? BaggedLancer, a Pats fan. :rolleyes:

It's pretty amusing that, by and large, it's pretty much Pats fans defending the Pats....Yes, there are a lot of classless twits out there who don't understand sportsmanship and honor in sports, but that doesn't make it right when it happens.

[Refefer]

End result is that too many fans are getting pissed at the Patriots dominating their teams in such a fashion. Snubs are bound to happen, people bitching about running up the score keeps happening, and Pats fans trying to justify commandant belichick reasons for going on 4th and 2 when you have triple the other teams score will continue to happen.

My observations: Belichick got caught trying to get an edge and pissed off most of the world. My guess is when they started questioning his achievements as by products of cheating, pretty much professional emasculation, he felt he had had to silence the rest of them. Is he making friends doing this? Hell no.

Fine, great. He made his point the first half of the season. What about now? I think now is all about him keeping his team in rhythm, and ironically protecting his running backs which he seems be losing left and right. As for going on 4th down when you're clearly going to win? I can only think he's making the statement that he's coaching the best team in history. They're on pace to break pretty much every record this season, and giving Brady one more chance to throw a touchdown every time a 4th down comes gives him one more chance to increment his total TD counter.

I think it's also worth mentioning that the only reason these games are such blow outs is because of their stellar defense. The Colts in 2004 when Peyton was going after his TD record certainly wracked up a large number of points: they had 10 games in the regular season with over 30 points scored in them. What made it kosher was that their defense couldn't shutdown the other team the same way the Patriots have this year. Still, that didn't stop them from ringing up scores such as 41-9, 41-10, 51-24,and 49-14.

[ninerbj]

nevermind

[ninerbj]

I see nothing wrong with the Pats at all!

[TroyD]

[QUOTE=Demiurge;737298]Hey Troy, as soon as you see me starting threads with the intent of ripping your team, your comment about me whining may hold some water.

[QUOTE]

I'm just making the comment, just because YOU didn't start it doesn't mean YOU don't come off looking like a sour grapes whiner either. Your problem, Demi, is that you always believe you have a divine lock on being right....sometimes it comes off wrong is all.


Just food for thought.

BDT

[dorokusai]

Steelers lose to the JETS! WTF IS GOING ON!

[66chevyIISS]

Steelers lose to the JETS! WTF IS GOING ON!

YAY!!! hahaha always happy to see them lose especially to a crappy team like the Jets. :D

[TroyD]

I agree, that was the big shock to me. If the Steelers are going to be the spoiler for the Pats.....this sorta throws a whole lotta doubt into the legitimacy of that line of thinking.

BDT