View Full Version : Was She Worth It !!!
tonyb
11-19-2007, 02:50 PM
Just a pic of what Jordan gave up to the x.....
In man talk,she had to be one hellava piece of a#% to give this up.
ESAVINON
11-19-2007, 02:52 PM
Small price to pay for a better half :rolleyes:.
BaggedLancer
11-19-2007, 03:21 PM
Which part do you actually live in?
F1nut
11-19-2007, 03:48 PM
That's just wrong on so many levels.
shack
11-19-2007, 03:54 PM
I'm pretty sure he can get another one.... IE: New mansion AND POA.
spasticpitbull
11-19-2007, 04:41 PM
wonder how much gear was in all those rooms
shadowofnight
11-19-2007, 05:26 PM
Thats a shame....even funnier was the timing when Kobe Bryant gave his better half that huge rock on her finger...right after she found out about him dipping into a different sauce cup :)
MSALLA
11-19-2007, 05:45 PM
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In man talk,she had to be one hellava piece of a#% to give this up.[/QUOTE]
Ther is NO a** worth that. I don't care if she blows your mind, cooks cleans and tells you bedtime stories. No woman (or man for you wealthy ladies) is worth giving up THAT.:mad:
bobman1235
11-19-2007, 05:49 PM
Don't get me wrong I'd love to own that complex; but if you're telling me you'd rather have a big house than a great wife (not a piece of a$$, but someone you wanted to marry) then you may want to rethink your priorities.
Strong Bad
11-19-2007, 06:12 PM
No worries for Jordan. I'm sure he has exact copies of that home in Florida AND California. He ain't worried one bit. He has and continues to make an obsene amount of money.
tonyb
11-19-2007, 06:47 PM
Still guys...begs to question...when is enough...enough?
You have the world by the gonads,more money that you can spend,your youth,a wife thats been with you thru it all,kids,never have to work another day,and you give it up.Why?? Just because you can?This is what pisses the average joe off.Ticket prices are such that it is no longer a family affair,but only for the well to do.A pair of Nikes go for well over 100 bucks.But a guy trying to raise a family,working in the factory,is the first one to get his pay or benefits cut when the company has a bad year.Ya think they go up to Jordan and say sorry big guy,can only give ya 10 million this year?It's one thing to display your wealth like that....and another thing to say big friggin' deal,I'll have it back in no time.When you rub this stuff in our noses,thats when we get ticked off.
heiney9
11-19-2007, 06:49 PM
In the late 80's early 90's when I worked for Columbia Audio Video we had a couple stores in the suburbs of Chicago too, namely Hoffman Estates and MJ and Scottie Pippen used to bring their Ferrari's and Porsche's etc. to have total custom state of the art sound systems put in. So I'm guessing MJ's mansion had a few nice systems in it.
I was never there when they came in but I knew a few of the sales and custom guys who had talked with both of them when selling them the systems for their nice cars.
H9
jflail2
11-19-2007, 06:51 PM
No, I would bet the world she was not...
Just a pic of what Jordan gave up to the x.....
In man talk,she had to be one hellava piece of a#% to give this up.
I'm sure he's not too worried, the amount of money he makes...
Besides, how long were they married? Close to 20 years I think.
cfrizz
11-19-2007, 07:22 PM
Thank you Bob.
Don't get me wrong I'd love to own that complex; but if you're telling me you'd rather have a big house than a great wife (not a piece of a$$, but someone you wanted to marry) then you may want to rethink your priorities.
cfrizz
11-19-2007, 07:28 PM
They were married for 17yrs & MJ has a gambling problem.
Juanita Jordan is still raising their children and is now worth possible 150 million dollars.
I would have divorced him as well & gotten a large sum to make sure I could take care of me & the kids & not give a shit if MJ throws the rest away gambling!
I'm sure he's not too worried, the amount of money he makes...
Besides, how long were they married? Close to 20 years I think.
shack
11-19-2007, 07:38 PM
Don't feel bad for Michael. After the divorce he will still be worth around $150,000,000 and making more than $30,000,000 per year (before alimony and any child support). I think he will get by.
rskarvan
11-19-2007, 07:41 PM
They were married for 17yrs & MJ has a gambling problem.
Juanita Jordan is still raising their children and is now worth possible 150 million dollars.
I would have divorced him as well & gotten a large sum to make sure I could take care of me & the kids & not give a shit if MJ throws the rest away gambling!
Nice. So much for until "death do us part". Its not like MJ can't afford to lose a few million in Vegas. And, I'm sure he would have given her exclusive funds to fifty million to see that his children grow up proper (if there were any trust issues). Seems to me that Juanita just decided to CASH IN. And, the good thing for MJ is that he learned this now before his assets had a chance to grow even more.
Anyone with THAT MUCH MONEY cannot be judged on how he spends/saves his funds. Of course, the wife that divorces MJ and claims HALF can certainly be judged for the gold digger that she surely is.
Most women would be happy with the fact that their guy can pull in 100K a year. MJ did much better than this. Economics should not be a factor regarding the decision to divorce. Unless, economics is what is driving her decision.
Marriage is for love. Divorce is for the love too -- the love of money!
Bill Ayotte
11-19-2007, 08:16 PM
Economics should not be a factor regarding the decision to divorce.
Yet it seems to be the leading cause of divorce according to a lot of the statistics I have seen.....It's kind of a non-issue in this case, but I would think it would be hard to be happy living in a cardboard box because your "better half" lost everything you both had gambling......This marriage was probably over years ago, they most likely tried to stick it out for "the kids sake".....I would take being happy and alone over being miserable with someone.....
wingnut4772
11-19-2007, 08:28 PM
Yay for Bobman!
hearingimpared
11-19-2007, 08:44 PM
Don't get me wrong I'd love to own that complex; but if you're telling me you'd rather have a big house than a great wife (not a piece of a$$, but someone you wanted to marry) then you may want to rethink your priorities.
I absolutely agree. Life is so much better with the love than without it. A house/complex is not a home without love.
Nice. So much for until "death do us part". Its not like MJ can't afford to lose a few million in Vegas. And, I'm sure he would have given her exclusive funds to fifty million to see that his children grow up proper (if there were any trust issues). Seems to me that Juanita just decided to CASH IN. And, the good thing for MJ is that he learned this now before his assets had a chance to grow even more.
Anyone with THAT MUCH MONEY cannot be judged on how he spends/saves his funds. Of course, the wife that divorces MJ and claims HALF can certainly be judged for the gold digger that she surely is.
Most women would be happy with the fact that their guy can pull in 100K a year. MJ did much better than this. Economics should not be a factor regarding the decision to divorce. Unless, economics is what is driving her decision.
Marriage is for love. Divorce is for the love too -- the love of money!Wow shes a gold digger? you have gotta be kidding me. she spent 17-18 years with him, a gold digger would have divorced him in 5 years or less. personally I think 50% is getting off cheap considering she will be raising the children. Now of course with your analogy if we are talking about a couple that made 75k a year then she wouldndt be divorcing him for the money even though she would get half also. What makes you think shes divorcing for the money? she allready had the money lol. And what makes you think she doesnt deserve half? she spent the best years of her life with him having there children. I dont think economics mean diddly here. we are talking about a sick person a gambling addict is no different than a drug addict or an alcoholic other than thats what there addicted to. The same chaotic behavior is there. All the out of control shit is the same. you gotta figure he probablly spent very little time with her or the kids because of it. Im sure life with him became unbearable because of it.
Its easy to think this way because of the amount of money involved and there certainly are golddiggers out there but I dont think this is the case here.
REGARDS SNOW
we are talking about a sick person a gambling addict
Now that's way overboard as well. Someone says he likes to gamble (which he can afford to do easily) and all of a sudden he is sick? She's not gold digger but I wouldn't pass the blame so easily, I'm sure their marriage just ran its course and came to an end. Not all marriages last and 17 years is a long time in todays world.
Now that's way overboard as well. Someone says he likes to gamble (which he can afford to do easily) and all of a sudden he is sick? She's not gold digger but I wouldn't pass the blame so easily, I'm sure their marriage just ran its course and came to an end. Not all marriages last and 17 years is a long time in todays world.The way I understand it is that he has a gambling problem, not just that he likes to gamble. If he has a gambling problem he is a gambling addict. Whether or not he ever runs out of money is almost irrelevant in this case if true, the behavior an addict of any type is bizzare at best. There addiction controls there life its a sad story if true for all involved.
If he only likes to gamble every so often and it isnt a problem then great. There is nothing wrong with gambling drinking and some other vices as long it is done in moderation. It only becomes an addiction once you lose contol of it and it controls you.
As far as blame goes yes im sure there is blame to be shared on both sides irregardless whether he is a gambling addict or not.
REGARDS SNOW
pearsall001
11-19-2007, 10:04 PM
A great wife & loving family is something a man cannot put a price tag on. Well, let me rephrase that...no amount of money can replace the love of a great woman & close knit family. Property & toys will always be there in abundance. Family love is to be cherished & held on to forever in my book.
Bill Ayotte
11-19-2007, 10:16 PM
It takes two people to f@#k up a relationship, believe me.....I see it this way; if they are happier apart than they are together, I wish them all the best. You can have all the shit you could ever want, but if you never find that special someone, you are still pretty empty at the end of the day.....
BaggedLancer
11-19-2007, 10:17 PM
You can have all the shit you could ever want, but if you never find that special someone, you are still pretty empty at the end of the day.....
Nah, that is why someone created www.realdoll.com
Problem solved. :D
kidding....
Bill Ayotte
11-19-2007, 10:18 PM
Nah, that is why someone created www.realdoll.com
Problem solved. :D
kidding....
YAY for doll love!!!!!111!!!!:D
In reality, I am pretty sure with that much money you could find a willing young lady for every night of the year, I believe Mr. Chaimberlan (sp?) proved this.....:D
I am not saying this is right in any way, just making a slightly crass observation...
rskarvan
11-19-2007, 10:36 PM
I definitely think that his wife and kids should be cared for. But, I have a serious problem with the divorcing wife getting HALF. MJ was the athlete. MJ earned the money through his own efforts. Marriage is a life-time commitment. Quitting a marriage should not entitle her to HALF. Perhaps HALF should go in a trust for their children. But, HALF should definitely not be in HER control.
Divorce should not be like hitting the lottery. Divorce is a disgraceful breaking of a solomn oath/contract. People who break contracts should be penalized.
Perhaps then, the divorce rate may decrease. Obviously, our consumer-oriented matrimony system isn't working well in the USA.
BaggedLancer
11-19-2007, 10:39 PM
Divorce should not be like hitting the lottery. Divorce is a disgraceful breaking of a solomn oath/contract. People who break contracts should be penalized.
The odds are better than hitting the real lottery and the payout is the same money wise for some people.
MSALLA
11-20-2007, 10:09 AM
A) Bobman is right, the love of a good wife is priceless
B) I don't think old Mike was even close to putting his family in financial danger.
He still was able to give up 150mil. and keep the same amount. He's making the big money he should have the freedom to play.
C) I do a pretty good job raising 4 children on ALOT less the $150 million.
D) We are all making judgement (including me) without knowing the facts. He could beat her daily for all I know. Or she could be the meanest woman of all time.
Almost forgot, I would never consider buying anything as large as that estate no matter how much money I had. Thats just vanity.........something to show off.
tonyb
11-20-2007, 10:27 AM
Really didn't want this to turn into a him against her thread.More so,the fact that sports figures are paid way too much regardless of talent.Same goes for the company's that can fork over 40 million for endorsments.I am sure MJ's wife deserved every penny,after all,he's no boyscout.Interesting to see how people view this anyway.
reeltrouble1
11-20-2007, 11:19 AM
yea, but looks like Mike left room to put in a decent sounding Woodshed/Bomb Shelter/Mann Cave or what have you.
Jordan was one in a billion I wish him well, its the rest of the I wanna Be Like Mike posers that are gumming up the NBA with there antics including the referre's, too many of them applaud themselves and pound their chest for any little thing or shot they make.
I definitely think that his wife and kids should be cared for. But, I have a serious problem with the divorcing wife getting HALF. MJ was the athlete. MJ earned the money through his own efforts. Marriage is a life-time commitment. Quitting a marriage should not entitle her to HALF. Perhaps HALF should go in a trust for their children. But, HALF should definitely not be in HER control.
Divorce should not be like hitting the lottery. Divorce is a disgraceful breaking of a solomn oath/contract. People who break contracts should be penalized.
Perhaps then, the divorce rate may decrease. Obviously, our consumer-oriented matrimony system isn't working well in the USA.I can certainly see your points regarding him being the major if not the only breadwinner, but a marriage is a partnership and as a partner she deserves half. Unless there was some form of pre nup aggreement. Would she deserve half if he was the one filing for divorce? Of course if I was the one having to give up half it would leave a pretty bitter taste knowing that the person I wanted to spend the rest of my life with decided to leave me.
I think that to grant the divorce for either party there would have to be some pretty good evidence that things werent going well and both partys wanted out.
Perhaps it would be more fair to give 25% to the one filing no matter who is the major bread winner. there the one wanting out. And it might cut down on frivilous divorces and as mentioned gold diggers male and female both.
If marriage was a permenant thing and a person couldndt get out because it was an abusive relationship that would be a sad thing also.
Who knows whats right and wrong as far as these things go it would have to be on a case by case basis and I sure wouldndt want to be the judge. :)
REGARDS SNOW
cfrizz
11-20-2007, 02:31 PM
This tells me he has a serious problem no matter how much money he has.
"Jordan also told NBC that he has been open about his appetitite for gambling."
"In 1993, Jordan went to an Atlantic City casino the night before a playoff game with the New York Knicks. In 2005, Jordan admitted, “I've gotten myself into situations where I would not walk away, and I've pushed the envelope.” A San Diego businessman once claimed to have won $1.25 million from Jordan in golf bets."
He won't always have these endorsement deals & whatever else gets him a lot of money. When the money stops coming in & he continues to lose if via gambling, he will be in major trouble.
At least his exwife & kids won't go down the tubes with him.
The way he makes money, he won't be in trouble. His current fortune will turn in about 10mil alone a year, without any endorsement deals. If I lost $100-200 a month gambling it'd probably be the same. Who here hasn't lost $50 a night on golf/football bets with friends?
I'm addicted to poker, do I have a problem? Luckily I'm winning money but am I a sick person? Lots of you here are addicted to upgrading your audio gear, putting your finances into more stress than Jordan is doing by gambling, are were all sick (one way or another). Someone here has an addiction to tell everyone they need at least 200WPC amplifiers... ;)
rskarvan
11-20-2007, 05:27 PM
I think that to grant the divorce for either party there would have to be some pretty good evidence that things werent going well and both partys wanted out.
REGARDS SNOW
Unfortunately, almost all states are NO FAULT divorce. This means, that a spouse can divorce strictly for financial gain and freedom. Never-mind the fact that the other spouse only entered the marriage with the mutual understanding that they would be together until death.
No fault divorce takes the commitment out of the marriage contract. I would go so far as to say that a marriage in the USA generally doesn't really mean all that much because divorces are so very easy to obtain.
I think that if MJ wanted the divorce, then he should have to pay half. However, if the spouse wants "her freedom" and everything else is just a "cover-up excuse" then she shouldn't benefit financially.
No fault divorce is generally where JUSTICE and THE LAW diverge. If, in fact, the two were ever united.
That's why Prenups were invented... :)
rskarvan
11-20-2007, 05:55 PM
That's why Prenups were invented... :)
Its bad enough that lawyers get paid for the breakup. You want to involve them in the marriage union too?
Its bad enough that lawyers get paid for the breakup. You want to involve them in the marriage union too?
You don't need lawyers to do a prenup, and a good one could prevent the need to get lawyers involved in the case of divorce. In Jordan's case it would have been much cheaper anyways, even with lawyers involved.
In todays world it's foolish not to do a prenup, regardless of monetary status.
Sherardp
11-20-2007, 07:38 PM
Jordan is paid, he still has endorsement money, Im sure money left over from playing ball. Not to mention he has a motorcycle racing team with Suzuki.
shack
11-20-2007, 07:56 PM
He owns part of an NBA Franchise....Nike, Gatorade, Hanes, McDonalds, etc, etc, etc... I bet he's still getting royalties from Space Jam (not much though :rolleyes:). I don't see foodstamps in his future.
tonyb
11-20-2007, 08:23 PM
Its bad enough that lawyers get paid for the breakup. You want to involve them in the marriage union too?
When there is that much coin involved......yes!!!
2 words for ya.......Paul Mcarthey....
The way he makes money, he won't be in trouble. His current fortune will turn in about 10mil alone a year, without any endorsement deals. If I lost $100-200 a month gambling it'd probably be the same. Who here hasn't lost $50 a night on golf/football bets with friends?
I'm addicted to poker, do I have a problem? Luckily I'm winning money but am I a sick person? Lots of you here are addicted to upgrading your audio gear, putting your finances into more stress than Jordan is doing by gambling, are were all sick (one way or another). Someone here has an addiction to tell everyone they need at least 200WPC amplifiers... ;) Well I will be the first person to admit I love playing poker but I am not addicted to it. It doesnt control my life. unfortunately laws have been passed no longer allowing gambling online for money in the USA so I dont have the chance to play for real money, but I still play in a lot of tournaments etc for fake chips.
As far as to what your problem is if any with poker or gambling in general
is only you can answer that.
For an addict its a different story it controls there life in pretty much every aspect. Everything they do is based on there addiction, How much time they spend with kids wife etc is all based on there addiction, it comes first. MJ may not ever go broke gambling but if he is a gambling addict his family life will certainly suffer due to it coming first.
When I said a sick person earlier in a different post that is because for an actual addict it truly is an illness as much a mental as a phyiscal addiction.
REGARDS SNOW
Well I will be the first person to admit I love playing poker but I am not addicted to it. It doesnt control my life. unfortunately laws have been passed no longer allowing gambling online for money in the USA so I dont have the chance to play for real money, but I still play in a lot of tournaments etc for fake chips.
I still play online for money. It's not illegal, you just can't transfer money from US bank account or credit card but you can still play. I use my accounts in Finland and Mexico to play, and then of course the home games for money which we have quite often. Like said, I'm still on the winning side so no harm done as long as I do my other duties as well. Oh, and my wife likes to play as well. :)
hearingimpared
11-21-2007, 12:55 AM
Well I will be the first person to admit I love playing poker but I am not addicted to it. It doesnt control my life. unfortunately laws have been passed no longer allowing gambling online for money in the USA so I dont have the chance to play for real money, but I still play in a lot of tournaments etc for fake chips.
As far as to what your problem is if any with poker or gambling in general
is only you can answer that.
For an addict its a different story it controls there life in pretty much every aspect. Everything they do is based on there addiction, How much time they spend with kids wife etc is all based on there addiction, it comes first. MJ may not ever go broke gambling but if he is a gambling addict his family life will certainly suffer due to it coming first.
When I said a sick person earlier in a different post that is because for an actual addict it truly is an illness as much a mental as a phyiscal addiction.
REGARDS SNOW
The mental obsession is what makes it so bad. If you find yourself obsessivly thinking about some all your waking hours that is a big red flag but only a symptom of the real problem.
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