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beardog03
11-22-2007, 11:16 PM
If you had 10k to get an amp, or a pair of mono blocks.....what would you get and why ?

I have been cruisin audiogon ....dreamin on the outstanding high end gear that I see in some showcases that are way out of my budget.......


.....and you got it, I wanna big bad amp....or amps !!


`m gonna set the limit at 10-12k






well ?
whaadaya got ?!!!

:cool:

Face
11-22-2007, 11:19 PM
http://128.121.219.98/i/c/f/1195675587.jpg
http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1200859650

Roy Munson
11-22-2007, 11:22 PM
Parasound JC1 mono's...about half of your max!

beardog03
11-22-2007, 11:25 PM
I thought of both of these ...

I love Parasound !

The Mac are nice also....what kind of power do they have ?


keep em commin !

reeltrouble1
11-22-2007, 11:27 PM
BAT150SE mono blocks. BAT 600SE. Chord or Halcro would be nice as well. But you can get the BAT 150's used for around 8-9 which is actually doable, although still expensive, the Manley neo classic 300b for a rig in a small room would punch my ticket as well, a new one is around 7500 so it fits under your budget, although not big in the number of watts.

The Polk SWA-500 is a great new style digital amp for bass.

RT1

wingnut4772
11-22-2007, 11:27 PM
Are you really gonna spend 10K on amps?!?:eek:

beardog03
11-22-2007, 11:30 PM
maybe..!!

I`m just Polk-in around right now...

I like the manley Neo 500`s !!


I really want to raise the bar way , way up !!

VR3
11-23-2007, 12:01 AM
Odyssey Mono Extreme, SE - New Blue Boards

Face
11-23-2007, 12:06 AM
The Mac are nice also....what kind of power do they have ?1200WPC at 2, 4, or 8 ohms.

beardog03
11-23-2007, 12:06 AM
Sid, what kind of budget do they require ?

I want amps that I will keep for 10-20 years.....miles apart from what I have

and my Para is no slouch, I just want big , bad , beautiful sounding powerhouses..!!

beardog03
11-23-2007, 12:06 AM
1200WPC at 2, 4, or 8 ohms.


yeah baby...now your talkin..!! :p

beardog03
11-23-2007, 12:33 AM
Edge NL Reference monoblock amplifiers

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1199747326


kinda fugly though

VR3
11-23-2007, 12:40 AM
Odyssey Mono Extremes, SE Blue Boards

Probally around 4-5 grand new...

20 years warranty... any color and stable to 1ohm - no issues

dorokusai
11-23-2007, 12:47 AM
The last manufacturer I would think about is Odyssey.

VR3
11-23-2007, 12:48 AM
I think he is going to have two models available soon of the Extremes ----

1 Transformer, 300,000 + uF per amp

or

2 Transformer, 180,000 + uF per amp

The 2 Transformer is for the more demanding speakers, where as the 1 transformer is for your less demanding

Just a fwiw

And why is that Mark?

beardog03
11-23-2007, 01:04 AM
how about JC-1 mono`s and a Cary Audio SP-05 Balanced pre ?!!

dorokusai
11-23-2007, 01:05 AM
Trey - I think your the coolest, young audiophile I know but if your track record of gear ownership didn't fluctuate like a bad light bulb, it might hold more weight for me. Odyssey gear is grossly overbuilt using high level components, nothing more, nothing less. It sounds just like it should, great. I've heard other great amplifiers, or have I missed something groundbreaking?

VR3
11-23-2007, 01:06 AM
My gear ownership dosnt really fluctuate at all --

Odyssey, VMPS, Tyler Acoustics

Thats about where its at....

Before that, I owned B&K and Definitive for several years...

But thanks for playing

dorokusai
11-23-2007, 01:07 AM
Yea, a search is all anyone needs. Good luck but I avoid what you own like the plague.

beardog03
11-23-2007, 01:07 AM
how about JC-1 mono`s and a Cary Audio SP-05 Balanced pre ?!!


I say again...!

:D

VR3
11-23-2007, 01:10 AM
Possibly...

Who knows...

I sure don't... either way -- to better the Mono Extremes at the price I paid, I'd have to spend... probally 6-7,000 more... and that my friend is not going to happen, anytime soon..

My current system, blows me away, 100% -- only thing it dosnt really satisfy me with is Home Theater... and unfortunately I dont have the room to fix that...

Ah well.. soon - perhaps

And a different thread --

Sorry for the derail

dorokusai
11-23-2007, 01:11 AM
Why wouldn't that sound good is what you should ask. High-end is NOT hard to do, contrary to popular belief.

Trey - Don't get me wrong, I get you and I get your passion.....we're just not in the same line of reasoning. You have a rig that would make organs shrivel, and that's cool. Respect.

VR3
11-23-2007, 01:14 AM
HT problem is more so the source ---

Running a XBox 360 with right and left..

I need coaxial and DTS/DD and not stereo...

Hearing Brad's system made me realize that... 100%

beardog03
11-23-2007, 01:18 AM
Classe CA 400 ?

not too costly, but...?

I think the next move up will be the Cary SLP-05...
I really dig the Cary pre I have now, and I really dig Cary Audio !
I also dig Parasound..

Don`t get me wrong, there is absolutly nothing wrong with what I have , I just would like to check out something a couple of steps up !




it happens..!!

what can I say ?!!

beardog03
11-23-2007, 01:42 AM
Do Jeff Roland amps suck ?

there are always alot of them for sale

beardog03
11-23-2007, 01:49 AM
MF Kw 750....

Now thats a nice amp !

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1199487429

dorokusai
11-23-2007, 01:50 AM
PM/Email HI and F1 for some high-end validation on that choice.

treitz3
11-23-2007, 01:51 AM
Let me guess.....M/F? :D

beardog03
11-23-2007, 01:55 AM
PM/Email HI and F1 for some high-end validation on that choice.



will do...

TroyD
11-23-2007, 04:11 AM
If I had 10K to drop on some amps....

Tubed, I'd be looking at the big Manleys

SS, I'd probably look at the Classe monos - perhaps the JC-1's....

Mark hit the nail on the head, high end sound ain't hard. What's hard is finding THE one for you.

Sorry, I think the Mac's are fugly. The Batmobile/Munstermobile look just doesn't do it for me.

BDT

F1nut
11-23-2007, 04:22 AM
Joule Electra VZN-220 Rite of Passage OTL tube mono block amps.

Just 'cause and I like their description, "Harmonic thunder in a bottle"

Might be under $12k used.

beardog03
11-23-2007, 04:32 AM
Thanks Jesse...

Now that`s something different...

I like the Para mono`s and the Cary -05 combo, but the JE would be something to check out...

reeltrouble1
11-23-2007, 08:26 AM
while your at it, the JC-2 preamp from parasound is born of the BlowTorch......just a thought for ss.

RT1

janmike
11-23-2007, 08:50 AM
Audio Research Reference 210 Monos.

Solid company, lots of power, smooth tube sound, reference material and they look good.
Getting them used for $12 may be a bit of a stretch. Good luck Robert.

woofiepaws
11-23-2007, 11:02 AM
I'm getting acquainted with a Krell FPB that I got off the 'gon for about half your maximum budget. I'm not very good at describing how things sound but to me, it's very detailed. And has tons of power!

beardog03
11-23-2007, 11:02 AM
Jesse,

I looked at the only JE set on Audiogon...WOW !

I looked at A R also Janmike.....much more than I thought


RT1....all Parasound , all the Time bro....an all JC system !
Just maybe.....me likey !


I thought about Krell....I have heard thier name alot, buit not thier products....I need to get out and hear some of this stuff....


I love this hobby !
It`s more of a life staple, but I like to call it a hobby !!

disneyjoe7
11-23-2007, 11:21 AM
I say again...!

:D


Well I like it, but right now feel that is about a F&cking Dream for me. Doro hooked me on those Halo's from Parasound so you know I like those, the Cary pre well someday I get one. It's been on my short list for a while now. The Mcinlosh's built like a tank, and believe they would sound like a dream but never heard them myself. All I can say is this... they look cold to me and for 12k I better have a Woodie just sitting there looking at them. ;)

Zero
11-23-2007, 11:25 AM
My favorite in this range is not for sale. They are a pair of mono's (built by H2O Audio) that weigh about 150lbs each... armed with six 550w transformers outputting a total of 100watts of class A power. No, they wont win any ENERGY compliance awards.... but its the only time I've ever been genuinely impressed with an expensive amplifier. Cliche as the phrase may be, they truly did offer the very best of both worlds of solid state and valve - seemingly without any damning compromise (aside from bulk and heat).

beardog03
11-23-2007, 11:45 AM
Steve...I agree

for that kind of grip, I want a constant woody...


Allthouigh the SOUND is very important....so is a SEXY LOOK....

disneyjoe7
11-23-2007, 11:54 AM
Of cause I wonder why someone would they to sell them with only 400hrs on them if they sounded like a dream. ;)

Heck they either are out of the range of anyone who ever host's a PF or they don't compare to some others at that price range since I never seen them in person. :confused:

beardog03
11-23-2007, 12:02 PM
I have to sell my Cary F1 integrated and it has about 200-250 hrs on it....financial problems

I am looking into the (hopefully) near future....I may be able to pull out of this nose dive sooner than expected, and if thats the case....


I love my Cary F1 pre amp....very much !

I have the volume at 10-11 o`clock, and each channel has it`s own gain knob, so I have them way down....I get all the full power at low volumes for early morning and late night listening...

I LOVE MY SYSTEM !!!

I just want MORE
don`t need it, just want some sexy amps

My HCA-3500 is a sexy beast though, IMO


THe Cary SLP-05 is calling my name..!!

Ricardo
11-23-2007, 12:17 PM
The Belles MB-01 Monoblocks. I have no idea how much they cost though.

http://www.powermodules.com/images/MB-01.jpg

http://www.powermodules.com/Monoblock.html

disneyjoe7
11-23-2007, 12:17 PM
Well then those JC's are hard to beat either in sound or look, I would buy them if I had the $$.

beardog03
11-23-2007, 12:21 PM
Steve,

I agree...

Ricardo,
That`s a sexy block o power !


Check this little guy out...

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampsmult&1200949787

unc2701
11-23-2007, 03:56 PM
http://sixmoons.com/audioreviews/bryston/28.html

DarqueKnight
11-23-2007, 04:55 PM
I just want MORE don`t need it, just want some sexy amps


Me too!

Here's what I want: Pass Labs x600.5, 600 watts @ 8 ohms. They can be found used, in mint condition, for under 10 grand. However, this is somewhat of an audio fantasy since the Pass X series amps are non-common ground designs, and unfortunately, are incompatible with my SDA's. I haven't gotten to the point where I want to experiment with an AI-1 interface cable since they actually go against the design principle of the SDA's and I want my SRS 1.2TL's to stay "pure".:)

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s23/darqueknight88/Passx6005Pair02.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s23/darqueknight88/Passx6005Pair01.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s23/darqueknight88/Passx6005Pair03.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s23/darqueknight88/Passx6005Front.jpg

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s23/darqueknight88/Passx6005Rear.jpg

beardog03
11-23-2007, 05:03 PM
yeah man..!

That is one sweetset of mono`s

I keep lookin at this one...

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1200769125

PFKMan23
11-23-2007, 05:04 PM
Not the most advanced or most powerful but I'd get these and pocket the rest:

http://www.d-sonic.net/

Serendipity
11-23-2007, 05:47 PM
I'd go with Parasound JC1 monos.

VR3
11-23-2007, 06:20 PM
My Dad has monos very similar to thatr

F1nut
11-23-2007, 06:29 PM
Raife, you're worrying about nothing, absolutely nothing.

DarqueKnight
11-23-2007, 06:44 PM
Yeah, maybe...but I'll never know for sure until I go ahead and build that AI-1 with the big beefy toroidal transformer. I think I'll go ahead and do it sometime next month.

jm1
11-23-2007, 06:49 PM
maybe..!!

I`m just Polk-in around right now...

I like the manley Neo 500`s !!


I really want to raise the bar way , way up !!

If you want to “raise the bar way , way up”, I would suggest evaluating the need of upgrading your current monitors. I can not foresee an amplifier change making the magnitude of difference you would like to achieve.

If the proposed budget is available, I would start creating a short list of speakers which satisfy your desires. Once the short list is complete, find amps which bring forth the speaker’s best characteristics and find cables which will integrate the pairs together for the best possible performance. If you continue to use monitor speakers, I also question the necessity of kilowatts of power.

If you use the PCU for two-channel listening, at the very least, get an active crossover to insert between the pre and power amps. You mention sub cables in the system components; if you already utilize an active crossover, my apologies as I am unaware of which component it would be.

If you ever plan to realize this, I hope this gives you some food for thought.


Your system:

Cary SLP-98 F1 DC Pre Amp
Parasound HCA-3500 Amp
Polk Audio Xm Reciever (Autographed by THE MAN Himself)
AH! 4000 CDP (fully Modded) (7308 tubes)
Jolida JD-100 CDP (NOS 12ax7 Siemens)
Polk Audio LSi9 Speaks (ebony)
SVS PC-Ultra Sub
AQ Bedrock Speaker Cables (Bi-Wired)
MIT Shotgun S1-S3 I/C`s
AQ Black Thunder Sub Cables
PS Plus Power Cords
Sanus Cherry wood Speak Stands

DarqueKnight
11-23-2007, 06:57 PM
I'd go with Parasound JC1 monos.

The attached sheet shows how my JC 1's compare spec-wise with the Pass x600.5's.

People who have heard the x600.5's and the JC 1's in the same system say that the JC 1's have the edge in speed and transparency. The x600.5's have the edge in soundstage size and weight. I have read reports of some people dumping much more expensive amps in favor of the JC 1. That gives some credence to the JC 1's designer's statements that it was built to compete sonically with amps in the $14,000 to $25,000 range.

Costs were kept low by using a manufacturing facilty in Taiwan and using machine, rather than hand, assembly. According to JC 1 design team member Bob Crump:

"It is probably a first to machine make a high end product for the perfectionist market. Accordingly, pricing is about one third what these would run to hand build here....The amplifiers are the best we can do in a very powerful machine made unit."

For practical reasons, my dream amp would be the JC 1's circuits with the cosmetic styling and chassis build quality of the x600.5's. The x600.5's have a case temperature of 140 degrees F at idle and they each suck 600 watts from the wall when idling. For me, the x600.5's might turn out be somewhat of a high maintenance mistress. But I want 'em anyway.:)

beardog03
11-23-2007, 07:23 PM
Cool comparison !

Thanks !



JM1,

As far as using a computer to play music....never have , never will....I have a 2ch rig for that !

I realize te speaks I run now will go the way of the dodo when I take the giant leap into the abyss, but They sound great and will stay in this house forever..

I have my eye on a couple different speaker choices, but that`s a different thread !


I am leaning towards the JC1 mono`s though...I just read the comparrison, and I`m not sure what to think..!!

I kinda want to go into uncharted territory, so to speak (at least for me)...
And I have wanted Mono Blocks for a long time

I keep looking at this Krell amp that I like....5600 used

Not sure about CS with krell, or how thier amps sound....but no matter which way I go, it will be an adventure....it always is !

jm1
11-23-2007, 07:49 PM
JM1,

As far as using a computer to play music....never have , never will....I have a 2ch rig for that !

Not sure where I gave the impression I was ever discussing source components? I wouldn't recommend it anyways.


I realize te speaks I run now will go the way of the dodo when I take the giant leap into the abyss, but They sound great and will stay in this house forever..

That's funny as this is what I thought when I purchased my first pair of Dynaudio (Contour S1.4) speakers. Once the next pair arrived (Confidence C1), the wife wanted the 9's to hit the road and kept the S1.4 speakers for herself. Through all this, two PCU's with an active crossover stayed put.

The next best issue I addressed was room acoustics. But that's a story in another thread.


Happy hunting.


PS. I wonder if a used Dartzeel is within budget?

beardog03
11-23-2007, 07:57 PM
THE speaks I want ?
a mere 27k...!!!
Sonus faber ... WOW !

Dartzeel ?
now where did I see that before ?

Back to the `Gon !!!

TroyD
11-23-2007, 11:16 PM
Bear,

Look before you leap with the Krell, bro. Not saying it's bad or anything but if you are used to tube sound...it's 180 degrees.

BDT

beardog03
11-23-2007, 11:26 PM
Thanks for the heads up .....

DarqueKnight
11-24-2007, 01:23 AM
I am leaning towards the JC1 mono`s though...I just read the comparrison, and I`m not sure what to think..!!

OK...let's add more confusion to the fire. The following quotes are from Michael Fremer's review of the JC 1's in the Feb. 2003 issue of Stereophile.


"The overall lack of smear helped create an impressively coherent, transparent, and detailed soundstage, with the kind of air and reverberant presentation I usually associate with tubes. Reverberant trails emanating from centrally placed vocals radiated away in space farther toward the side of the stage than I remembered hearing them with my reference amp."


"I usually find solid-state amps too bright and hard on top, or—when designers go overboard in their attempt to cure this problem—too soft and unfocused. The JC 1 was just about right: neither etched nor softened, but just far enough on the right side of "silky-smooth" to sound tonally natural and texturally complex. Good tube designs have a much easier time in this region, but, as the JC 1 proved, it is possible to get the balance just right with transistors. I've reviewed a tube amp that was brighter and harder."

"When I reviewed the Musical Fidelity Nu-Vista 300 in November 1999, I thought its midrange was slightly cool. Over time, I've decided it was the midbass that was a bit pronounced, which gave me the mistaken impression that the mids were somewhat recessed. The JC 1 struck me as being tonally more neutral and somewhat more supple and detailed in the midrange. Its rendering of a mint RCA Living Stereo LP of Jascha Heifetz's recording of the Sibelius Violin Concerto (LSC-2435) demonstrated to me that the JC 1's midband purity and delicacy left little to be desired. Still, if you prefer a typical tube amp's midband lyricism, you might respect the JC 1 in this regard without falling in love with it."

Keep us updated on how the hunt is progressing.:)

tonyb
11-24-2007, 08:19 AM
Im alittle biased...but would give these a whirl for sure.Others have posted some great ones also.

del44
11-24-2007, 10:42 AM
When I was amp shopping, the JC-1's looked mighty inviting. About $3500 used is a great deal. The ML 436 monoblocks used would be a great pick also. Or, if the budget was a little more, the ML 33 or 33h monos used.:D

beardog03
11-24-2007, 12:00 PM
I keep leaning towards the JC1 mono`s

I will check out the ML`s though

jm1
11-24-2007, 04:15 PM
Mr Bear,

If the "California Bay Area" means San Francisco Bay Area, Audio Vision San Francisco advertised that they have the a system comprised of Simaudio Moon electronics, Dynaudio speakers and Nordost cables. On the accompanying picture, they have the Evolution electronics, the Sapphire speakers and the Odin cables.

If this place is near by and get a chance to stop by, I would be interested in your impressions of a system comprised of these pieces.

I would also recommend Simaudio as a choice as these provide a significant level of refinement. The W-5 is dual mono; the W-6 are mono blocks.

JM

venomclan
11-24-2007, 04:53 PM
If you are interested in the Halo JC1's, check out this months issue of Stereophile that has a nice long write up on them and the matching preamp.

I agree that the "right" speakers for you are the fisrt thing to find. The must synergize with the amp/s. I have heard too many very expensive soeaker and amp combos that sound like crap.

After that, these are the amps I think can compete with anything out there in that price range or higher:

Mcormack DNA500 - $7K
Spectron Musician III - $7k

SolidSqual
11-24-2007, 06:52 PM
Trey - I think your the coolest, young audiophile I know but if your track record of gear ownership didn't fluctuate like a bad light bulb, it might hold more weight for me. Odyssey gear is grossly overbuilt using high level components, nothing more, nothing less. It sounds just like it should, great. I've heard other great amplifiers, or have I missed something groundbreaking?

I don't get this comment? If it sounds great why avoid it like the plague? I've owned many different Polk speakers in the last year and sold everyone of them. Does that mean we should stay away from Polk speakers?

VR3
11-24-2007, 07:15 PM
Its very much known that Mark dosnt like "flavor of the month" brands --

Tyler Acoustics, Odyssey -- to him, seemingly dosnt seem to be a worthwhile...

Odyssey is mind blowing sweet for the money -- I've yet to see anything close to it for the $$$

del44
11-24-2007, 08:48 PM
Alright, I guess I'll ask. Hey Beardog are you selling your bike?:eek:

hifibuyguy
11-24-2007, 10:50 PM
JM1 has it right...
Too me everything has to do with the speakers. There has been many threads/articles written about which piece of the puzzle means the most. For me it's the Speakers that have the Voice so to speak. I would have to find what speaker direction I was going, then worry about the rest of the system.
I've owned just about everything in Highend audio, working in the industry for many years, I was able to borrow anything my store had on hand. From Meridian, Krell, Classe, B&W..and if we didn't carry it I knew someone who did.
What Kind of sound do you like...are you a very detailed...let everything (good or bad) come through? or are you more of a Laid-back liquid...tube kind of person...?
That is what you need to figure out first. You could fall in love with a pair of speakers that are a little forward sounding..but have everything else you want...and pair them with the wrong amp and if could be a match made in hell....
I have designed a few systems that on paper would be the bee's knee's but in reality had me running form the room..my ears bleeding... Thiel speakers with Krell amp...yikes!!

I'm rambling on...just my 2 cents

MillerLiteScott
11-24-2007, 11:24 PM
Uh Oh.:rolleyes:

treitz3
11-24-2007, 11:30 PM
Popcorn's ready and I'm koppin' a squat. This should be funny. :D

reeltrouble1
11-24-2007, 11:32 PM
Its a collection of interdependent parts, remove one and nothing happens. Every piece has a task it must perform in conjuction with the others, I see no one piece being lesser than another, to believe so does not demonstrate a systems approach.

RT1

DarqueKnight
11-24-2007, 11:52 PM
I have designed a few systems that on paper would be the bee's knee's but in reality had me running form the room..my ears bleeding... Thiel speakers with Krell amp...yikes!!

Don't let Ron hear you saying that.:eek:


My Polk 3.1TL's are fed by a Krell KAV250A (with a KAV250P preamp).

If only I could afford a set of Thiel 3.6's to match up with my Krell's.

hifibuyguy
11-25-2007, 12:35 AM
To each his own I guess..

My Polk 3.1TL's are fed by a Krell KAV250A (with a KAV250P preamp).

If only I could afford a set of Thiel 3.6's to match up with my Krell's.

Everyone has their own idea of what is right

venomclan
11-25-2007, 10:33 AM
I would like to see how the Krell sounds with the Thiels. I have the same amp and pre Ron uses, they sounded great with my B&W's but not so good with my Gallos. I switched to a Butler Tube/SS hybrid and it was a better combo, more musical. Thiel uses the Butler amps to test their speakers at the factory. It may be a great match.

B&W Diamond series with Lexicon gear sounded like a Bose Lifestyle system :eek:
Venom

beardog03
11-25-2007, 11:10 AM
Alright, I guess I'll ask. Hey Beardog are you selling your bike?:eek:



Oh, HELL NO...!!

beardog03
11-25-2007, 11:14 AM
JM1 has it right...
Too me everything has to do with the speakers. There has been many threads/articles written about which piece of the puzzle means the most. For me it's the Speakers that have the Voice so to speak. I would have to find what speaker direction I was going, then worry about the rest of the system.
I've owned just about everything in Highend audio, working in the industry for many years, I was able to borrow anything my store had on hand. From Meridian, Krell, Classe, B&W..and if we didn't carry it I knew someone who did.
What Kind of sound do you like...are you a very detailed...let everything (good or bad) come through? or are you more of a Laid-back liquid...tube kind of person...?
That is what you need to figure out first. You could fall in love with a pair of speakers that are a little forward sounding..but have everything else you want...and pair them with the wrong amp and if could be a match made in hell....
I have designed a few systems that on paper would be the bee's knee's but in reality had me running form the room..my ears bleeding... Thiel speakers with Krell amp...yikes!!

I'm rambling on...just my 2 cents


I am A detailed , tubey kinda guy.....if that makes sense to anyone other than myself !!

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 11:23 AM
http://www.iceh2oaudio.com/

Right now, my dream amp is an ICE-H2O S100. I'm in the process of ordering one right now!

http://www.iceh2oaudio.com/images/s100_set1_enlarge1.jpg

http://www.iceh2oaudio.com/images/s100_set1_enlarge4.jpg

Specification
Power Supply Traditional Toroidal Transform
Output Power 100watts/200watts into 8/4 ohms
THD+N 0.09%, 10 < f < 20Khz at 200watts
Voltage Gain 27dB
Bandwidth 4Hz-70KHz into 8 ohms
Minimum Load 2 ohms
Dynamic Range 112dB
Inputs Both Single Ended and Balance are available
Outputs Bridge Balance with Dual Cardas Binding Posts
Chasis Dimension 14"W x 15"D x 7"H
Weight 50 lbs net
Price $2,000.00

I think the Parasound JC-1 is overpriced for what you get. You can get very similar if not better specs from a smaller brand less costly such as Odyssey or an even larger brand such as McCormack.

george daniel
11-25-2007, 11:23 AM
There is a nice pair of Joule mono's on agon,,,I heard a pair once,, but was quickly escourted out of the room when it was discovered that I did not have the money to pay for them.:)

beardog03
11-25-2007, 11:33 AM
I saw those !!

I actually saw a pair in person when I bought my CDP`s.....

Awesome looking units...didn`t get to hear them though..

I re-read the Bryston 6mons article..

Those may be on the list !!

halo
11-25-2007, 01:37 PM
A little out of your price range:

Sanders Sound Systems.

Kilowatt Monoblock Amplifier (http://sanderssoundsystems.com/Kilowatt%20Monoblock%20Amp.htm).

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/spin_nin/sanderskilowatt.jpg

Within your price range:

Sanders Sound Systems.

ESL Monoblock Amplifier (http://sanderssoundsystems.com/ESL%20Monoblock%20Amp.htm).

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j260/spin_nin/ESL20monoamp.jpg

beardog03
11-25-2007, 01:41 PM
have you ever heard any Sanders Prducts ?

Powerful little monsters

halo
11-25-2007, 02:16 PM
have you ever heard any Sanders Prducts ?

Powerful little monsters

Yep. I own an ESL amp and a Crossover Amplifier. We used (2) Sanders ESL amplifiers (http://sanderssoundsystems.com/ESL%20Amplifier.htm) @ the Chicagoland Polkfest (http://www.polkaudio.com/forums/showcase/view.php?userid=80719) to power all the speakers.

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb186/cpf_album/IMG_3506.jpg

Gobs of power - very little heat.

beardog03
11-25-2007, 02:26 PM
I just read the reveiws on the ICEH2O mono`s....

Very interesting *in my best hogans Heros voice*

Those Sanders amps are very nice !!

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 02:41 PM
Zero is all about the ICE-H2O S100. He's the one who has me dead set on these.

beardog03
11-25-2007, 03:06 PM
I`m concidering the 250SA Mono`s ...

hifibuyguy
11-25-2007, 03:07 PM
What about Audio Research? Solid state-ish tube sound!

read-alot
11-25-2007, 03:46 PM
Think Long - Think Wrong

Just get the JCs you won't be sorry.

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 04:10 PM
Think Long - Think Wrong

Just get the JCs you won't be sorry.

Sure, they may sound great, but you could spend less and get even more.

read-alot
11-25-2007, 04:16 PM
Sure, they may sound great, but you could spend less and get even more.

That would be your opinion.

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 04:45 PM
And I am sticking to it. :) Much respect to you.

DarqueKnight
11-25-2007, 04:51 PM
Sure, they may sound great, but you could spend less and get even more.

What would you recommend as lower cost, higher performance replacements for the JC 1 and why?

I-SIG
11-25-2007, 05:34 PM
What would you recommend as lower cost, higher performance replacements for the JC 1 and why?

And that's the 64,000 dollar question! (Or $10-12k in this case! :D)

Wes

beardog03
11-25-2007, 07:22 PM
Bingo !!

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 07:23 PM
Crap . . . there comes a point in every boy's life when he has to own up to his mistake and call himself a dumbass. I typed out this whole spiel about the JC-1 compared to other amps from MF, Odyssey and McCormack and then just read the Parasounds retail for $6000 per pair. Silly me . . . I thought they were $6000 a piece. For $6,000 a piece you can do better, but given the JC-1's are a pair for $6,000. Well . . . I'm going to have to concede to everyone against me on this one. You guys win. White flag.

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 07:24 PM
Sorry to get your hopes up . . . my big war fizzled out.

beardog03
11-25-2007, 07:31 PM
squal,

You had a solid choice bro...

I read, I liked what I read....

It`s a contender.....

I started this because my 1st choice was the JC-1 mono`s and wanted to see what else was out there, just like I-SIG said....

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 07:37 PM
right . . . the H2O's are a pretty good choice, but the JC-1 has some stiff specs. I emailed the maker of the M250SA for some more detailed specs, but have not heard back from him. Since last he and talked, I believe he told me the memory of the S250 was 360,000 uF. If I am reading the JC-1 specs, I believe the H20 is superior.

read-alot
11-25-2007, 07:49 PM
Sorry to get your hopes up . . . my big war fizzled out.

Never was as much as an uprising in my book.:)

BTW: J Curl used very conservative published specs on his namesake, the true numbers will surprise.

SolidSqual
11-25-2007, 07:53 PM
Never was as much as an uprising in my book.:)

I had big plans to take Parasound by Storm. I once owned the Halo A23 and loved it. The major problem as I see with those amps is that they get real real hot. The H2O by contrast is well . . . ICE.

read-alot
11-25-2007, 07:58 PM
I had big plans to take Parasound by Storm. I once owned the Halo A23 and loved it. The major problem as I see with those amps is that they get real real hot. The H2O by contrast is well . . . ICE.

Yep the outside temp never got up today so I helped the heat pump, I played mine loud today.

DarqueKnight
11-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Yep the outside temp never got up today so I helped the heat pump, I played mine loud today.

Your JC 1's do double duty as space heaters? You must have hotrodded the class A bias or you're playing at window shattering sound levels.:)




I was going to be away from home most of day four. I set up my backup Adcom GCD-750 CD player to play at a high level (105 dB) while I was gone. I returned 6 hours later and expected to find my amp’s heat sinks to be very hot, but they were only 116 degrees and 121 degrees respectively. They idle at 105 degrees and 108 degrees respectively.


I should ad that I run my JC 1's in the high bias setting (class A up to the 1st 25 watts) and they are in a well ventilated cabinet with mesh metal doors, mesh metal sides, and an open back. The heatsinks get too hot for me to comfortably place my hand on them for more than a few seconds, but the heat thrown off by them is mostly localized. The faceplate, case top, and rear only get warm to the touch. Even when pushing them hard, the temperature on the top shelf in the cabinet only gets up to 90 degrees. I have to bring my hand to within three inches directly above the heat sinks or top cover before I feel any heat emanating.

(I knew read-alot was kidding-at least I hope he was:eek:. I didn't want beardog to think that JC 1's run excessively hot.)

I-SIG
11-25-2007, 08:30 PM
Sorry to get your hopes up . . . my big war fizzled out.

No problem!

I'm thinking of spending $1500-2500 sometime next year on a big damn tube amp, but if the right deal came along, I would certainly consider spending up to $3500, hence my interest in the JC-1's, et al. I know that is way low compared to most of the stuff in this thread, but used I'm starting to get into the low end of this thread.

Anyway, I have no dog in this race just wanting to see what everyone comes up with.

Wes

halo
11-25-2007, 10:42 PM
I had big plans to take Parasound by Storm. I once owned the Halo A23 and loved it. The major problem as I see with those amps is that they get real real hot. The H2O by contrast is well . . . ICE.Same here.

Had a Halo A23. Liked it quite a bit. It ran hot. Went with the Sanders amp. Runs :cool: LOTS of power. Drives the panels on my ESL's with EASE (which its made to do). McLoki's CINEPRO had issues with the panels @ the Chicagoland PF and that CINEPRO is a stout amp. Just cause an amp can handle a 1 ohm load doesn't mean it can handle the speed at which an ESL can drop to a 1 ohm load.

As taken from Sander's amp white paper (http://www.sanderssoundsystems.com/ESL%20Amp%20White%20Paper.htm) - With 18 output transistors per channel, "the output stage can deliver a staggering 135 amps of current with a combined, theoretical power rating of 2500 watts per channel."

It can handle any type of speaker, though it really excels with ESLs. One thing's for sure.....it'll never clip!

Music Joe
11-26-2007, 12:34 AM
Coda CX Monoblocks Pics+review (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/coda5/cx.html)

These certainly look interesting,Threshold ancestry,50 watt sliding bias class A,decent warranty,rebiasing offered to optimize different speakers.

F1nut
11-26-2007, 02:43 AM
There is a nice pair of Joule mono's on agon,,,I heard a pair once,, but was quickly escourted out of the room when it was discovered that I did not have the money to pay for them.:)

Hehe.....









Let add one thing here folks, specs alone are not a reason to buy any piece of gear.

beardog03
11-26-2007, 05:28 AM
uh nevermind..


Late post....somethn about my HCA-3500 puttin off heat !!




carry on.....

reeltrouble1
11-26-2007, 07:16 AM
I am A detailed , tubey kinda guy.....if that makes sense to anyone other than myself !!

so why buy sand???? other than cost.

RT1

read-alot
11-26-2007, 10:19 AM
(I knew read-alot was kidding-at least I hope he was:eek:. I didn't want beardog to think that JC 1's run excessively hot.)




Yes I was.:)

They are always set to high bias and the heat has never been an issue.

W WALDECKER
11-26-2007, 08:28 PM
Hey Beardog,There is a Balanced Audio Technology VK600SE on Agon for $7500. dual monos in a single chassis with seperate power chords for each channel. It retails for $13000 and is a Beast of a amp and it is BAT's flagship SS poweramplifier.There is also a pair of BAT VK150SE tube monoblocks for $8500 and they are BAT's flagship tube amplifiers. The VK150SE's retail for $18000 a pair and if i had the money to spare i would buy them for myself. good luck amp hunting!.....WCW III

Zero
11-26-2007, 10:23 PM
If we are talking about budget gear;

McIntosh 300 mono's (will hit the market soon)
Pass Labs X150.5 mono's
Monarchy SE 250 mono's
Clayton M70 mono's
Mark Levinson No. 434 mono's
Sim Audio Moon W-7 stereo amp (True dual mono design)
H2O Signature 100 stereo amp (True dual mono design)

The Parasound JC-1 mono's are very nice, but certainly are not where the buck ends (or even begins) at their price point.

SolidSqual
11-26-2007, 10:27 PM
Just finished talking to Hung Ho of H2O audio. He's got me pretty pumped about the S100, but I may step it up to the S250 to future proof myself. (Though I don't knwo if future proofing is possible in this hobby?)

The H2O S100 has 400000uf for the output power supply alone and about 10000uf for the front end.

How does this measure up?

Zero
11-26-2007, 10:33 PM
Hung Ho? haha Although I'd imagine no asian would not be terribly ashamed to take on that moniker (zing!) - his *real* name is Henry.

SolidSqual
11-26-2007, 10:34 PM
Right, but I like Hung Ho

SolidSqual
11-26-2007, 10:34 PM
Its festive and raunchy

dorokusai
11-26-2007, 10:40 PM
Just finished talking to Hung Ho of H2O audio. He's got me pretty pumped about the S100, but I may step it up to the S250 to future proof myself. (Though I don't knwo if future proofing is possible in this hobby?)

The H2O S100 has 400000uf for the output power supply alone and about 10000uf for the front end.

How does this measure up?

No amplifier on the earth would actually need 400000uf of capacitance, it's overkill. Do you mean 40k?

SolidSqual
11-26-2007, 10:43 PM
"As far as Henry is concerned, his new recipe -- of combining an analog modulator board with a traditional overbuilt power supply -- outperforms his previous Class A designs. He's considering to eventually experiment with the ASP boards to modify their switch-mode power supplies just to expand his insight into this particular Class D approach and discover what happens if one builds the same kind of headroom and apparent overkill energy storage into them as has been done here. But at heart, Henry's clearly an analog man. He doesn't believe there's such a thing as a power supply that's too large."

This from the 6 Moons: http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/h2o/m250.html

Zero
11-26-2007, 10:44 PM
If necessity is simply a measure of function, than hell, 1,000uf per side will suite most topologies. Ah f*ck it, ditchin' the muscle and goin' British. Those amps are cuter anyway.

edit: Alright boys - enough "ho" talk.

beardog03
11-26-2007, 11:02 PM
RT1,

Not just looking at sand, but I have found a great, I mean great pre amp with my Cary F1, and I like the muscle of sand and the sound of tubes, hence....

Solid,

I was reading about the 250SA....
It`s sounds like a contender....from what I have read...

W.W.

You must be reading my mind..!
I have been seriously checking out the BAT gear on the `Gon....I have heard nothing but good things about BAT also...

A very good freind of mine has suggested BAT also...


I am concidering getting a pair of Cary V12i F1 mono`s...
I know from my short experience with tubes that in the summer , the listening sessions would require serious fannage with that many tubes burning ..;):D


Have I mentioned how much I dig Cary Audio....Parasound.....Polk Audio..?!!

I do want to expand the ol horizons though

My neighbor has some almost brand new (mint) B&W speaks that she wants to sell me...she told me about them this morning as I gave her a ride into the City , on my way to work...

She is never home and they are not even at the 40 hr mark...I am sure I will get them for a song....I`ll post what they are when I go check `em out this weekend..


Back to the amps....

Jesse suggested some Tube mono`s that I really dig, and the Cary`s have been on my list for a long while now, but like I said....The muscle of sand, and the beauty of tubes seems to be the best match so far...


MAN, I love the audio journey.....
I love music, and I love this hobby...



THe wife ?

Not so much !!










you guys are alright too...!!!

halo
11-26-2007, 11:47 PM
InnerSound iPower 750 Mono Blocks (http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?ampstran&1199221845). InnerSound was Sanders 1st company.

beardog03
11-26-2007, 11:58 PM
those look nice...have you ever had any experience with Innersound ?

I wish There was a place to hear all the choices that are out there...

halo
11-27-2007, 12:07 AM
those look nice...have you ever had any experience with Innersound ?

I wish There was a place to hear all the choices that are out there...Yes. InnerSound was (Roger) Sanders 1st co. Excellent stuff. Sanders works on InnerSound gear.

Music Joe
11-27-2007, 01:20 PM
Coda CX Monoblocks Pics+review (http://www.6moons.com/audioreviews/coda5/cx.html)

These certainly look interesting,Threshold ancestry,50 watt sliding bias class A,decent warranty,rebiasing offered to optimize different speakers.

Those are these ,Innersound I mean :)

halo
11-27-2007, 07:35 PM
indeed (kinda sorta) ;) :)

SolidSqual
11-27-2007, 09:29 PM
Hey,

Scratch the H2O Signatures and go for Odysstey Stratos Dual Mono. I just found out the H2O only has a 1 year warranty! Odyssey has 20 years and its transferrable!

VR3
11-27-2007, 09:31 PM
Just for Mark ---

Odyssey is the real deal!

HeHe

read-alot
11-27-2007, 10:02 PM
Just for Mark ---

Odyssey is the real deal!

HeHe

Is that where your pre came from?

Zero
11-27-2007, 10:37 PM
Odyssey won't be around in 20 years.. or 10 for that matter.

SolidSqual
11-27-2007, 10:41 PM
Who says Hung Ho ahem Henry . . . will be?

dorokusai
11-27-2007, 10:44 PM
Just for Mark ---

Odyssey is the real deal!

HeHe

Damn you, damn you to Tyler Acoustics hell.

SolidSqual
11-27-2007, 10:47 PM
I like my Khartgo on Stratos-roids courtesy of Trey.

Zero
11-27-2007, 11:01 PM
The pond is crowded and many flavors will fade quietly away. It's the way of things. Odyssey Audio offers a solid product. You get what you pay for. That alone should be worth the comfort.

That said; any amp transistor amp worth its salt (short of class A) *should* in fact last you a good twenty years, provided you don't let your pets sleep on it or let your friends puke in it after a drinking binge. By that time, you'll be wanting something better anyway.

reeltrouble1
11-28-2007, 11:18 AM
Soooooooo, you got the Cary some new tubes, you really could go BAT-TY. Cary and BAT and Manley say oooh, la la.

Robert I was so close on one those BAT150SE pairs on the Gon, then Mama got laid off, not so bad really, except she has declared her independence from ever working again.....
yikes...........

RT1

I-SIG
11-28-2007, 06:02 PM
Robert I was so close on one those BAT150SE pairs on the Gon, then Mama got laid off, not so bad really, except she has declared her independence from ever working again.....
yikes...........

RT1

Doh! I hope it's not too serious...for both of you! ;)

Wes

zombie boy 2000
11-28-2007, 06:25 PM
Blue Circle BC208's

www.bluecircle.com

screename
11-30-2007, 01:02 PM
I am moving into some new amps. I have been bi-amping my 802d's for the last year or so with a Krell TAS. It has been good to me. I was also using a Halcro MC50 for surrounds and I switched out with the TAS last weekend to try the Halcro and it only took 5 min listening to put the Krell back. The Halcro will be for sale now as the TAS will move to surround duty.

So the upgrade bug has bitten once again. I am picking up a pair of FPB-350mcx's next week. To top it off another amp I have been wanting to hear is the cam400's. I was perusing agon the other night and found a reasonable deal on those. So, I am proposing to run the Krells through the bottom end and the Classe's through the mids and highs. Should be pretty sweet.

My processor has a decent pass-through mode, but to get all these amps are worth I am feeling like I need to setup a nice 2 channel pre. I saw a Krell on this site, but I think I will try things with my pre/pro first as I have just spent a dumb amount of money on amps.

I am really excited about this new setup and thought I would take a second to brag about it when I came across this thread.

Good luck on your search for amps beardog03, in the end it's all about what your ears like. If you ever get over to Yosemite, I'd be happy to give you an audition.

I managed to stay settled for the last year or so, but sometimes you just gotta say WTF and go for it......

screename
11-30-2007, 01:13 PM
OOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.........AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH HHHH
SHINY NEW SHINY NEW SHINY NEW SHINY NEW SHINY NEW SHINY NEW SHINY NEW SHINY NEW
http://i6.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/c4/72/08a2_12.JPG


http://shutter10.pictures.aol.com/data/pictures/16/006/36/5E/18/7B/ES6gb0-iYNGa8FUemvfTK79bmTEn0TxI0300.jpg


A Picture is worth a thousand words........

skipf
11-30-2007, 01:15 PM
I'm dang happy with my Carver Silver 9t's. Plenty of power. Clean warm sound. Run cool even when playing the 1812 overture. And at the $1400 I paid for the pair, a steal for what you get. You can have them brought up to new condition and specs for $600 for the pair. Finding them can be a problem though.

beardog03
11-30-2007, 11:16 PM
screename,

all I can say is those are beautiful..!

Congrats on the new toys !

You seem to have good taste in gear..

I may have to take a roadtrip down to get a chance to hear that rig of yours ...!!

screename
12-01-2007, 12:47 AM
Thanks Beardog,

Ditto, next time I'm up that way.....

Have a nice weekend.

Brad
(screename)

John in MA
12-01-2007, 09:55 PM
I'm dang happy with my Carver Silver 9t's. Plenty of power. Clean warm sound. Run cool even when playing the 1812 overture. And at the $1400 I paid for the pair, a steal for what you get. You can have them brought up to new condition and specs for $600 for the pair. Finding them can be a problem though.

Got pics of the 9ts? I remember reading about those in awe years ago.

beardog03
12-01-2007, 09:59 PM
are those the silver 7`s big brother ?

screename
12-02-2007, 10:57 AM
here's some 9t's
http://cgi.ebay.com/carver-silver-9t-mono-block-amplifiers-signed-by-bob_W0QQitemZ280179595063QQihZ018QQcategoryZ67786Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

beardog03
12-02-2007, 01:25 PM
very tempting !!

I may have to check funds real quick...thanks for the heads up..!!

beardog03
12-02-2007, 01:50 PM
If they are still there when I get backin a couple of hours, I think I will pull the trigger one those 9`s

John in MA
12-02-2007, 02:51 PM
Is that seller a Polkie anyone knows? I noticed he mentions SDAs.

beardog03
12-02-2007, 05:29 PM
Don`t know..

Is that a good / fair price ?

I wanna get em...!!

John in MA
12-02-2007, 05:47 PM
I have no idea what the market currently is, but a few years ago that would have been high.

beardog03
12-02-2007, 06:02 PM
Yeah...

I`m gonna pass..

I was talking with a good freind, that reminded me that what I already have is a dual mono design...

I`m gonna stick with the one I have now.....I got her with zero miles on her, and she has had no problems whatsoever....

She sounds sweet and she`s still very much fresh...500w @ 4 ohms
No need to change horses in mid-stream

Thanks for all the input guys

skipf
12-03-2007, 03:04 PM
The 9t's are 575w at 8 ohms, they would push 1200w into Polks and are stable down to 1 ohm. I know one guy who let his speaker cables touch without turning the amp off and it welded the spade connectors together. Now that's power.