rt 2001's - biamped (oh no)

[erik4]

Hello:
I don't want to get into the awful debate over bi-amping and bi-wiring. I just have one question. I am currently thinking about bi-amping my 2001's using a Sunfire Theatre Grand Amp. Current source to the top posts, voltage source to the bottom posts (there are two sets of outputs for the main L and R on the amp).
Here's my question, will doing this damage my 2000i's? How about my amp? That's it. Thanks

[TroyD]

They can't be biamped. If you want to use a line level input to the sub, knock yourself out, others have reported positive results doing that. You can't biamp them though.

BDT

[erik4]

Maybe I should have stated my question a little differently. I know the 2001's are not meant to be biamped. Will it cause my speakers harm to bi-amp them and inturn turn the gain way down on the internal sub amp. If you do this they sound great bi-amped. Only potential problem ...I'm asking the internal amp to amplify an amplified signal, even though the gain is cut back dramatically. Will it burn out the internal sub amp or cause problems with the internal wiring? I won't persist if you tell me so. Thanks..

[TroyD]

I can't think of a reason why it would harm the amp or the speaker.

BDT

[erik4]

I forgot to mention I was using a load invarient amp - Sunfire 5 channel 200 W each. Thanks again. I am concerned about harming the speakers after all this discussion (past and present) about the powered 1000's and 2000's not being able to be biamped. Should the remark have been "I see no benefit to biamping"...or what? No offense Troy but are you sure doing this won't harm anything? I'm a novice at this. Who are you anyway = nicely put? I really am grateful. Thanks.

[Ron-P]

Who are you anyway
He is.....BTD. If you've got it see a doctor.


Peace Out~:D

[F1nut]

Oh man, that's great! :lol:

[TroyD]

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Big Dumb Troy. Just an ordinary schmo, not even particularly intelligent

My take on it is this, No, the speakers can't be biamped. What you can do is run a high level input to the powered sub, which is what you are essentially asking if you can do. Personally, I can't see that it will do any harm.

Now, if you are asking if it's the optimum hookup option, well, that would be a matter of preference.

Nice amp!

BDT

[erik4]

Troy:
No offense, but doing what your saying meets my definition of biamping. Albeit, I'm not really "bi-amping" an unmodified sub source just driving a second signal to the already amplified sub in the speaker. If it doesn't harm the speaker then you can biamp by my definition. Am I crazy or in the purest sense not defining biamping correctly. Quit saying you can't biamp 2000i's. If you can send two amplified signals to the inputs, high - mid and sub you are biamping. Forget all that line source crap option. My opinion is that that does nothing except get less out of the speaker. Again, to each his own.

[mantis]

O no Troy here we go again......I'll watch this one develop from the sidelines..........

[RuSsMaN]

Here's a rare instance, I'm with you Dan, I want NO part of this discussion.

;)

Ok, I'll throw this out, but THATS IT.

Erik, the bottom posts on the 2000 are high (speaker) level inputs, just like any common stand-alone subwoofer has. I'll leave it at that. Listen to Troy, if you need further confirmation, email Kswauger@polkaudio.com.

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

Yes rare it is........DUDE.....how the hell are yeah?

Ok since where together on this one,I wouldn't bi amp them,I see no gain other then a sonic signature and that can be had threw speaker level with one amp.

[mantis]

Troy and I have been discussing things ,its not the same without you........Not that Troy isn't good company or anything,just isn't the same...

[TroyD]

Yeah, I'm not into rehashing it either. It ain't biamping. However, if you like the sound, good on ya. No offense taken at all. I will only add that 'biamp' isn't a terribly subjective term. Either you can or you can't. In this case, it's the latter.

Bottom line, you aren't going to hurt the amp or the speaker.

BDT

[mantis]

Troy you know you love talking about it........I like reading what you say about it.

So how's it hanging today???

So are you still done with me or can we just be friends?????;)

[liv4fam]

Biamping vs. Biwiring

Who will win this pointless debate?

Can't we all just get along.

Remember when we used to have recess and play on the monkey bars together?

Can't we relive that moment and find some peace.

[TroyD]

You are right Dan, I have never owned RT1000's or 2000's. I do think they would be sporty in the gargage rig though. :)

Hey, it's a fact, they can't be biwired or amped. No biggie, if you disagree, no skin off my nose.

Sure we can be friends, I only meant I was done with you on that particular issue.

BTW, I wasn't ignoring your AIM, I was just away from the computer.

Troy

[mantis]

Troy,
you should pick up a pair just for the experience alone,there worth it.Then if you don't care fro em, they will sell.....

You where away from your computer huh.........ok next time man......

Bi amp/ bi wire......gotta love that debate.........

[erik4]

Thanks Troy.
I'm done with this thread. You answered my question(s) quite nicely.

[Ron-P]

Speaker wire is all the same no matter how much you pay per foot.

dts is way better than dd on EVERY dvd no matter what.

My dad can beat up your dad.

Silence of the Lambs sucks.

I saw Russ and Troy kiss, it's in their video.


Peace Out~:D

[TroyD]

deny, deny, deny.....

I wasn't me.

BDT

[HBombToo]

Ya and your Dad does not want to mess with my Mom!

She's a Mean 1... I'm just tellin ya. ;)

[Dr. Spec]

I'll take erik4 over Russ and Troy combined in the "Bi-Amp, Bi-Wire, rt 2001's SmackDown" he is one mean motherhucker to treat BDT so shabbily.

Doc

[erik4]

Hey wait a minute...I didn't treat BTD badly, but after getting only 22 responses in this thread I see I have come up way short of the "wire" discussion thread. So, having said that, lamp cord used to drive 200 W/ Channel on an old Dynaco 400 I have. It sounded great - still does! The wire in todays market is purely marketing driven. How insane can we be? Well, I just spent $400. on some patch cords for my new amp and preamp (supposed to be nitrogen infused - whatever the heck that means). They got me. I bowed to the "monster marketeer". On another note I am enjoying my bi-amped 2000i's. More of you out there should try it. (I couldn't resist)

[capitan100]

bottom line is: Do you think they sound better? I honestly can't really see a gain in performance, because the high level input is just going to take the signal and convert it. In essence... aren't you just wasting the Sunfire amp signal...? Now if you disconnected the built in subwoofer amp to the subs and directly hooked up the amp to the subs(If the amp had a crossover) that may work.
I'm not a pro, but that is just what I personally think...Anyone else have any suggestions?

[erik4]

It's funny because I'm getting a stronger, tighter, cleaner bass at 1/2 the level (1/4 turn) on the sub amp gain control on the speaker. I don't think I'm wasting the built-in "extra" voltage source (as opposed to current source) output on the Sunfire.

[capitan100]

Well if it works for ya...great..good luck..i wish I had an extra amp to try it out in my rt1000's....

[TroyD]

guys, guys, guys....

No one is saying that using the high level input doesn't sound better. What we (or I) am saying is that it is not biamping. The speaker can not, using the correct definition, be biamped or biwired.

All done with this one.

BDT

[mantis]

erik4,
I really didn't want to add anything to this, but you made a point and I agree with it.

The entire goal of anything you do is trying to improve the overall sound quality,is it not?

Bi amping,bi wiring,better cables,amps,sources are the tools to reach the goal.Now if any of them further your quest,despite if it's CORRECT or not,then do it.You know trying to bi wire or bi amp powered towers isn't the craziest thing I've read members doing in here.People come out of left field with some thinking they do.I say just have fun with it......who cares if it's right or wrong.Only that it improves the sound quality and doesn't damage anything.

[PETERNG]

I don't think the issue here is who’s right and who's wrong, everyone wants to do something to improve the sound quality of their speakers to get the maximum performance for the dollars. In this issue here, the true fact is the speaker was not designed for bi amp or bi-wire, you can check with Polk tech dept here if you want to confirm. In my opinion, if it wasn't design for it, you probably may not get any improvement if you want to try. One thing I now for sure that you will get some improvements if you replace the lousy jumper that came with the speaker by a decent quality speaker cable. Come on guy; don't turn this thing to another pissing contest...

[TroyD]

Originally posted by mantis
erik4,
I really didn't want to add anything to this, but you made a point and I agree with it.

The entire goal of anything you do is trying to improve the overall sound quality,is it not?

Bi amping,bi wiring,better cables,amps,sources are the tools to reach the goal.Now if any of them further your quest,despite if it's CORRECT or not,then do it.You know trying to bi wire or bi amp powered towers isn't the craziest thing I've read members doing in here.People come out of left field with some thinking they do.I say just have fun with it......who cares if it's right or wrong.Only that it improves the sound quality and doesn't damage anything.

Maybe I'm not being clear enough so I'm going try one more time (although I don't know why).

1. Of course the ultimate goal is to achieve better sound quality.

2. The issue is not if you can hook up the binding posts on the speakers with separate cables from the amp NOR is it if this configuration sounds better. Peter hits the nail on the head, it's not a question of right or wrong.

3. The issue is really proper terminology. You can call it what ever you like but the plain and simple fact is that it is not biamping (or biwiring). If you think it is, you don't understand what biamping (or biwiring) really is. Not offending anyone but that's just the way it is.

Sort of like if I put a lift kit and big tires or what have you on my 2WD truck. I can call it what I like but it's not a 4WD. It's not a subjective term and it isn't open to interpretation. The truck may look, drive, go through mud better but it's not a 4WD. (I'm sure it's a flawed analogy but I think you get the idea)

Again, I'm not trying to ignite another debate but I think some folks are really being misled here.

BDT

[mantis]

TroyD,
I really think you have a burning desire to own a pair.I think that is a good thing.Get em will yeah.........

You also need to define what the powered tower owners are in fact doing when there running bi wires to run there speakers.
(you can exclude me as I don't own them anymore but I bi wired them at my uncles house....LOLOL....waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa)

And then give a name/term for the bi amping thing( which I 'm not a big fan of nor would I try it but...).

Like I said terms are terms..I say name it already......you love to talk about this,thats why you do.I know it.:lol:

I love reading your posts on this matter.
Dan

[TroyD]

Dan,

I've heard 'em and can say without hesitation that I will never own a pair of powered towers.

I don't have to define anything. It's merely using a high level input. That's all.

Like I said, if you don't have a basic understanding of what biamp/biwire means, not much more I can say.

BDT

[mantis]

But you like saying it....and I like reading it......

Your not going to give it some kind of BDT term???man I was hoping for that....o well......maybe next round.

[erik4]

Let me summarize this thread so it can end...after all I started it:
1. Although cosmetically it looks like you can bi-amp 2000i's, you can't.
2. The internal configuration won't allow it.
3. You can connect a second amplifier to the bottom posts, but you are not biamping when you do so.
4. It has not been determined (or studied) by the participants of this board that doing this act of connecting a second source to the bottom posts does anything.
5. All claims that this improves the speakers sound are here-say.
6. If you want to "biamp", get different speakers.
7. TroyD is somebody.
8. If you want to wire your speakers to the moon and back, go for it.
9. TroyD refuses to put a name to the wiring process erik4 was asking about. He only says what it is not.
10. Individual users ears are all different.
How's That! Whoops I opened the door for more comment....

[RuSsMaN]

It's a high level connection, period. If you guys want a name, lets call it 'Bob', hows that?

Cheers,
Russ

[HBombToo]

I was thinking Shemp.... :)

HBomb

[mantis]

Can we say amen or what?

[erik4]

TroyD and all other Doubters:
Below are specs from the Polk web site on the 2000i's and their ability to be bi-amped. I should have looked earlier. You guys are full of it...or the Polk web site is incorrect...Make my point!

Electrical
Overall Frequency Response 20Hz - 26kHz
Lower -3dB Limit 32Hz
Upper -3dB Limit 25kHz
Nominal Impedance 8 ohms
Recommended Amplifier Power 30 - 300 w/channel
Efficiency 90 dB
Inputs Dual (bi-ampable) gold-plated 5-way binding post

inputs,Low level (RCA type) subwoofer inputs
Outputs Line level subwoofer output jack on built-in amplifier

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Dimensions
Cabinet Size 45-1/2" H x 9-1/2" W x 16-3/4" D
(115.57cm H x 24.13cm W x 42.55cm D)
Footprint Size 11" W x 18-1/2" D
(27.94cm W x 46.99cm D)
Enclosure Type
(mid-high array) Sealed
Enclosure Type
(subwoofer) Vented, Power Port

[RuSsMaN]

The web site is wrong on the specs, the manual is correct. I believe this was mentioned to Polk before, but obviously not updated. No wonder there is so much confusion.

Just give Polk Customer Service a call, and ask them, you don't have to believe the 'doubters'. ;)

Cheers,
Russ

[mantis]

Man now Polk even puts false things on there web site.

It seems like everyone knows what it's not but not what it is......and it goes on and on.........

[RuSsMaN]

Dan, you have told me yourself over aim that you agree they cannot be biwired, or biamped. Don't play dumb, 'deside' which side of the fence you are on with the topic, the correct version, or Dan's version. ;)

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

Man,
I don't even think it matters.I'm not into terms anyways,labels,hell there are guys in here that call 2 channel Home Theater.......well if you like it thats all that matters.

This debate is pointless.I will go as far as saying that it's MANTIS BI WIRING.......and MANTIS BI AMPING. There now it has a name......SO......for now on I will refer to powered tower owner's questions on these matter in MY OWN TERMS.

SO for all you powered tower owners with your 4 amps and bi wire cables.............you now fit in.......ENTER MANTIS THEORY.

[RuSsMaN]

No, didn't we decide to call it 'Bob'?

I know you know better, that's what kills me.

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

BOB????If thats what you wanna call it...thats cool but I was loving the MANTIS THEORY.

Knowing better or sounding better......I'll take sounding better.

I'm so cool with Bi wiring and bi amping.

I do think Polk made a mistake by putting dual binding posts on there powered towers.Funny how Def Tech( on there lower towers) and Boston does not........sounds like a design flaw.

[mantis]

Def Tech went way out there and made there high end speakers tri wireable.........power towers and all.......go figure.:lol:

[RuSsMaN]

Originally posted by mantis
Def Tech went way out there and made there high end speakers tri wireable

So did KEF I noticed, where can you buy THAT cable? ;)

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

Lets see.....Monster custom order.I don't know who else would make them, but I bet any of the cable companies would make em at the right price.

Kef's center chanel is mean...it sounds real nice.Tri wired and all.

[liv4fam]

:cool: I'm Back.......


What's up fellas?

I just love the whole Bi-amping and Bi-wiring conversations. Well

here is my 25 cents ;)

How are the connections on the 2000's a High Level Connection?
Funny how if you remove the jumpers the subwoofer will go off if nothing is connected to it. Doesn't that make it a low level connection as well?

Secondly, We called Polk customer service (just for giggles) and man that was an interesting conversation. We got some lady over there at POLK that was rambling out comments that I don't even think she knew what she saying.
I was shocked that when we asked her about how we should wire the 2000's she said run a 2 conducter cable to the speakers and leave the jumpers in (because they sound good?) and send a line level signal to the pre-in for the sub. She said that was the best setup for them overall.

Well I have to disagree with the her. What about music listening? Some people might like that setup for HT but for music come on. The crossover in the speaker is set right for the cabinet and drivers why send it a low level signal and get double filtering. That's really silly.

Lastly she took it way out and said that they can not be bi-wired nor Bi-amped. I almost fell out of my chair when she said that.

I was thinking why not?

But then she said they could be Bi-wired but not a true Bi-wire???
Hmmmmmmmmmm.........Well let's see if the tweeter is on the top post and the mid-bass driver is on the bottom that's Bi-wirable.
And if the tweeter is on the top post and the mid-bass driver and the bass driver are the bottom post that's Bi-wirable.
Right? Right?

So she says they cannot be Biamped. I beg to differ.
The subwoofer has to receive it's signal from either the speaker post or the line level signal right? So if you put a seperate power amp to the bottom post so what!!!!All it will do is extract the signal and that's it because it has it's own amplifier.
It will do no harm but you won't gain anything either.

So when we asked her why they even put bottom speaker terminals on she said because the engineers just designed it that way.

Good answer.

If it has no use (according to them) why put it on?

She didn't sound real convincing on the subject and I have thought about it a lot lately and I don't agree with customer service telling people that kind of information about speakers because she just wasn't talking about Polk speakers she said any speaker that has dual posts and is powered is not B-wirable nor Bi-ampleable which is false.

Just my opinion.



:)

[TroyD]

Call Ken Swauger, ask him for an explanation.

As far as the purpose of the second set of binding posts, how would you propose that they offer the speaker level connection option?

Also, if you believe you can biamp them, let me pose this question: If you use a high level connection with a standard powered sub, is that biamping it? No, it isn't. It's the same premise with a powered tower.

BDT

[gidrah]

Probably wouldn't believe him either.

They are as bi-ampable as any pair of speakers with one set of connectors sitting atop a pair of subs with one set connectors. I'd be willing to bet that each speaker has 2 separate crossovers inside.

[RuSsMaN]

All that typing , and you guys STILL don't get it.

Amazing. ;)

Troy, please just refer them to Polk cs, like Ken should waste his time with absolute nonsense (as far as this topic goes)

Cheers,
Rooster

TD and TD, I guess that was an accurate comment. . .

[mantis]

OK,
why not just put just one pair of speaker level binding posts and a line level input.....does that make 2 much sense????Can anyone comment without saying call customer service???Can anyone speak for themselves???

Gee......someone give it a try already.....explain your stand on this topic.....

[mantis]

let's check again...2 examples of what the hell I'm talking about......Boston acoustic's 975's powered towers.one set of binding posts and look here a line level input for the sub..how nice...there is no way to bi amp it or bi wire it......end of story................gee look at the Def Tech 2004's same exact thing....one pair of binding posts and one line level in........how wonderfull........no bi amping or bi wiring to even talk about.

[RuSsMaN]

Originally posted by mantis
let's check again...2 examples of what the hell I'm talking about......Boston acoustic's 975's powered towers.one set of binding posts and look here a line level input for the sub..how nice...there is no way to bi amp it or bi wire it......end of story................gee look at the Def Tech 2004's same exact thing....one pair of binding posts and one line level in........how wonderfull........no bi amping or bi wiring to even talk about.

Gee, Boston what? Has nothing to do with the Polk wiring scheme.

Big bag of nothing, try again, call Polk CS, like your buddy did.

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

has something to do with it..powered towers with how many sets of binding posts????and why are they there???you CAN'T do what?????

[mantis]

hows that look?

[RuSsMaN]

Big bag Dan, if you only knew. . .

Cheers,
Rooster

[mantis]

well If I don't know would you be so kind to fill me in??????

[mantis]

So answer me this.......I could care less about correct and incorrect for a minute but why is there 2 sets of binding posts on these speakers???Why man Why....tell me why there there.

[TroyD]

so you can use the speaker level connection as opposed to just LFE. sheeeeeeeeeeesh. put your thinking cap on for just a minute.

As far as calling customer service, Aaron, Russ, myself and others have patiently tried to explain this SEVERAL times using small words (get your search on). The concept STILL seems to escape some folks so I would suggest calling Ken Swauger, who has probably forgotten more about audio than most of us will ever know, maybe he can explain it to you in a way that you two can understand.

Who was the cs rep that you two spoke with?


BDT

[gidrah]

Dan the only reason people are saying to call CS, is that you don't seem to want to listen. You seem to want to just count binding posts and look at other brands and not listen.

[mantis]

It was a women..I don't remember her name....Troy.

Here's the deal,other powered tower non bi wirable or bi ampable don't put another set of binding post on the back of there speakers.So this old debate would be useless.The only reason it can be debated is just the fact that there is a pair of binding posts for the sub section AND a crossover setting for it.I know what CS had 2 say,and if you read what Liv4fam posted about it,it sounded like she was reading from a book and not from experience.I wish we talked to Ken about it,maybe he could explain why they put another set of binding posts on the back.
I"m not dense or an ass as this may look but The fact they buit the things the way they did could fool anyone into believing they can be bi wired and bi amped.remove the jumpers and the sub won't work unless you run speakers level or line level to it.
I made comments about other powered towers in Def Tech and Boston Acoustics.They cannot be bi wired or Bi amped,there is no speaker binding posts on there speakers other then one pair which runs the entire speaker if no line level input if present.That makes total sense.

so you can use the speaker level connection as opposed to just LFE. sheeeeeeeeeeesh. put your thinking cap on for just a minute.
put my thinking cap on...well I did and came up with other speakers that can use speaker level connection for the high's,mid's and Lows with just one pair of binding posts.Funny thing is that you can run LFE to these speakers.Powered towers allday.
Polks will tell you ,that there not bi wireable but yeat you can hook it up with that wire configuration,same with bi amping.
Physically they can.Bi wiring them(Mantis or BOB call it what you will)makes them sound better......can I say this???yes I can I OWNED THEM AS YOU GUYS DON'T.
SO why would you bi wire a pair of speakers the technically can be????just because you can???No 2 improve the sound quality.I can't speak for the guy who claims that bi amping them(Mantis or BOB)makes a difference,but it is a physical thing you can do and if you haven't tried it then you should stop pushing WHATS CORRECT AND WHATS NOT CORRECT.The goal again is better HI FI is it not?Can you agree with better sound quality is worth going against whats correct and what's incorrect?My only point.Not if it's Mantis bi wiring/BOB bi amping......the goal in mind.......;)

[erik4]

Mantis:
I own a pair of 2000i's. I have them hooked up (for lack of better term) with two outputs each from a quality amp-Sunfire Theatre Grand. They sound better - really noticeably better- with this connection. Why is this? It's not just me...The proof is in the listening. If you don't have a pair yourself-don't tell me otherwise. Also, you'd think Polk would correct their website.

[MxStYlEpOlKmAn]

lol....this is funny.....but i still dont even get what bi-wiring is or bi-amping.....and speaking of websites....u seen infinity's? they have a piece of junk website, a common everyday person can make one better.....lol....so can someone explain to me this bi-wiring and bi-amping stuff?

[gidrah]

erik4: the sub portion is now being driven by a better amp when you hook it up to the Sunfire.

[erik4]

gidrah:
According to what I "learned" in this thread the bottom posts are high level inputs. So I'm not sure I'm driving the "sub portion" or replacing or even augmenting the built-in sub amp. All I know is they sound better hooked up this way.

[gidrah]

In the end that's is what really matters.

[HBombToo]

and so it is...

HBomb

[NDTA]

while all dogs will go to heaven, some of the lost souls may not, damm if you do, and damm if you don't, this post now is officially closed.

[shack]

this post now is officially closed

Be carefull! Only MICAH has this kind of power! You are libable to find your posts forwarded to net purgatory.

[liv4fam]

ERIK4,
this is what we are talking about.beter sound quality.The bottom posts are speaker level for the sub,the top posts are for the midrange driver and tweeter.I'm glad to see your improving your sound.These buttholes don't own them so take no stock in what they they.

[HBombToo]

Alll Right NOW.... liv4fam is in a wiley mood today.

This will be fun! ;)

HBomb

[TroyD]

Oh, so you own a pair? Why didn't you say so?

Regardless if I own them or not, I can say without a doubt I know that they can't be biwired or biamped. All you need is a basic grasp of what it is and what it isn't. No one has ever said the high level connection isn't better, only that it's not biwiring or biamping.


These buttholes don't own them so take no stock in what they they.

Well, along that line, you've never owned or even heard the DQ-10's, yet you feel compelled to pass judgement on them.

A bit hypocritical don't you think?

BDT

[liv4fam]

Troy,

I missed you buddy. I apologize I have been sick for the past couple of days and I have been neglecting you but Dan has been keeping me up to speed.

Sooooooo...............Let's talk about Bi-wiring and Bi-amping since you seem to think that nobody knows about it except for Kenneth.

Well Troy, explain to me how the subwoofer speaker connection is a High Level Connection? ummmmmmmm?

Speaker level to top post and speaker level to bottom post.
Funny sounds like Bi-wiring to me. Seperation is the key to Bi-wiring and that's exactly what is happening.

I like how I called customer service and you still say I am wrong.

So according to Troy.................You can only talk to Ken at Polk customer service...........and the Polk website is wrong on there specs..................and someone who owns them and Bi-amped them is WRONG too.

Interesting!!

Hey Troy, Since I own powered towers now.

Guess what they are Bi-amped.

The AVR-307 powers the Tweeters and Mid-bass drivers and the internal plate amp powers the subwoofer but yet it get's the signal from the speaker level connection.

I love you Troy.

Can we be friends?

I really would like to invite you over to my house so we can talk.

Come on...

[HBombToo]

Originally posted by liv4fam


I love you Troy.

I really would like to invite you over to my house so we can talk.

Come on...




Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa a!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just imagine...

A nice candle lit dinner, some Vino and mucho wire for many wims perhaps?:eek:


:lol: :lol:

[NDTA]

one heck of the way to confess your feelings...wow...love me love my dog

[erik4]

Speaking of candle lit places...When the room is dark, don't those little green lights on the 2000i's cause one to zero in directly on the speaker getting in the way of the mind to fully sensualize the breadth and depth of the sound they produce. I was OK with this until I read someones post about it. Now, I can't stop thinking about it. Why in the heck did Polk use this gimmick? I don't need to know when the speaker is on. It's electrical tape for me too.

[TroyD]

Well, frankly, I'm done with this. You can't biwire the RT1000 or 2000's. I know why and I (and others) have explained why. Now, to be honest, I'm tired of talking about it. If you don't agree, well, than fine, I'm not losing a lot of sleep at night.

As for the rest of, I am sort of amused at how I inspire such a reaction in some folks. I'm actually sort of baffled. I do think it's sort of immature that a disagreement has to always degenerate into a 'my dick is bigger than yours' contest.

How's about we knock of the crap, shall we? If we disagree, we need not turn this into a personal thing with threatening overtones.

BDT

[erik4]

Originally posted by TroyD
I'm not losing a lot of sleep at night.

BDT

Troy:
I sincerely hope you are not losing any sleep over this. Isn't it all in fun, with a little knowledge sharing sprinkled in.

[gidrah]

"Lastly she took it way out and said that they can not be bi-wired nor Bi-amped."

"The bottom posts are speaker
level for the sub,the top posts are for the midrange driver and tweeter."


This is what Troy has been saying all along.

[TroyD]

erik,

No worries, there are just some folks that seem want to be disagreeable to be disagreeable without making any sense. That kind of nonsense, I just don't get all wrapped around the axle over.

BDT

[mantis]

Troyd,
ok we all said our peace.So whats the best way to run them?

1.a 4 conductor wire no jumpers
2.a 2 conductor wire with jumpers
3.a 2 conductor wire with no jumpers and line level
4.a 2 conductor wire with no jumpers and LFE line level.

Your tired of it,I'm tired of it.Lets give everyone the best possible way 2 wire them.

[TroyD]

I think that's a question best answered individually, no?

I would think in that case, it's a matter of opinion and personal preference. I generally try not to make blanket statements like that.

BDT

[liv4fam]

All right.

Enough is enough with this post.

It's unfortunate that all the people that come to this forum to seek advice have to be confused from all the nonsense that everyone talks in here.

So here it is and let's all agree on this statement.

I called KEN today and talked to him for awhile and this was his conclusion.

He said that the POLK speakers (not other companies) can not be Bi-wired or Bi-amped because of there configuaration and went on to say that only passive speaker configurations like the LSI15's can be. But when I asked him what is recommended for hook-up he said that using a four conductor cable to the top and bottom posts does present a better overall sound.

Oh and Troy........I like how you stole his 2WD to 4WD analogy.:lol:

Well I can say that after that conversation he gave me no real explanation as to why they aren't Bi-wirable or Bi-amplable but told me straight that they are Bi-wirable but not.

Kind of confusing huh?

That's pretty much what I got out of it. Either they are or there not.

Which one is it?

So here is my final though on this subject.

We all want better sound right?

In my opinion powered towers are already Bi-amped by definition!

Any speaker design that seperates the drivers on different post to obtain a seperate signal path by definition is Bi-wirable!

Bi-amping a powered tower without question is possible and will yield better sound due to the fact that the seperate amplifier driving the powered subwoofer is getting a cleaner and purer signal to the amplifier of the subwoofer even though it's not using any of the current of the amplifier!

It may not be right in your guys eyes because Polk says so but in the real world it is possible and has favorable results and just like the receiver with outboard amplification it can be done and can have positive results but personally I don't care for it but it works so maybe we can agree on that.:D

[TroyD]

It's unfortunate that all the people that come to this forum to seek advice have to be confused from all the nonsense that everyone talks in here

Well, shoot, in this case, it would appear that you and Dan were the source of most of the confusion and nonsense on this issue.




But when I asked him what is recommended for hook-up he said that using a four conductor cable to the top and bottom posts does present a better overall sound

I've never said it was or wasn't. That wasn't the point.


Oh and Troy........I like how you stole his 2WD to 4WD analogy

I've never spoken to Ken in person, nor to my knowledge did he ever post that anywhere so I didn't steal it from him.


In my opinion powered towers are already Bi-amped by definition

I posted that some time ago.


We all want better sound right?

I don't think anyone has ever said anything to the contrary


Well I can say that after that conversation he gave me no real explanation as to why they aren't Bi-wirable or Bi-amplable but told me straight that they are Bi-wirable but not.

Kind of confusing huh?


Not really. It means you can connect a biwire cable, but it's not biwired. Not all that difficult if you understand the premise.




It may not be right in your guys eyes because Polk says so

No, because in order to biwire, there has to be a crossover with a set of posts corresponding to a crossover point. and you have to power each one either with a biwire, biamp scheme or a traditional setup with a jumper between the posts. In our instance with the RT1000's and 2000's, there is no crossover between the two posts. I sort of envision it as an RT35i attached to a PSW250. You can hook it up either LFE or line level through the sub but you can't biwire it or biamp it.

Maybe that will shed some light on the subject. I would suggest anyone that is interested, do some research on how a crossover works and so forth. There is a lot of stuff out there on other sites.

BDT

[HBombToo]

yup

I Agree.

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