View Full Version : Favre to retire
heiney9
03-04-2008, 10:53 AM
Not a Greenbay fan since I'm a die hard Bears fan, but this is the end of the career of the greatest QB in a long time. I always had great respect for Brett's talent and it just won't be the same when the Bears and Packers play next season.
H9
bobman1235
03-04-2008, 10:55 AM
Also not a GB fan but Favre certainly made his mark and earned a lot of respect.
I wish he had retired 3-4 years ago so he truly could have gone out without having those few horrible years (last year excluded).
tonyb
03-04-2008, 10:57 AM
Yeah,he was great.But the time has come.I'm still pissed the Bears are keeping Grossman,nothing to look forward to next season.
shadowofnight
03-04-2008, 11:19 AM
Its hard enough to be a great quarterback in the NFL ( Which he is/was ) ....but to play for as long as he did ...at the level of competence he played at...and to take as many sacks as he did and still not miss games and be there ready at kickoff time in and time out is truely an achievement.
When he played against the Raiders after his dads passing from a heart attack and actually won the game, I cant even think of words to describe it....the man was a rock and kicked ass and took names in his career.
dkg999
03-04-2008, 11:41 AM
As a diehard GB fan, it's sad to see him retire. He had a great career, and is an outstanding athlete and person. With that said, it's also good that now GB can move on and find a new QB to lead the team.
cubdog
03-04-2008, 11:44 AM
Again?
cubdog
heiney9
03-04-2008, 11:46 AM
Again?
cubdog
It was speculated earlier in the week that he planned to retire. The news on the wire right now comes from his agent and I guess it won't be "final" until the team holds a press conference.
This is his first retirement so I'm not sure what your comment means
cubdog
03-04-2008, 11:55 AM
Every year we hear the speculation that he will or will not retire. It goes on and on. Yesterday his agent said he believed Farve would be back. Today ESPN said Farve left a phone message with Chis Mortensen stating he would retire. I don't care one way or another.
cubdog
I guess this means no Moss in GB. I would have liked to see that one (not a GB fan either).
heiney9
03-04-2008, 12:04 PM
Moss signed with another team yesterday, maybe what put Favre over the edge to retire. BTW, it's official Green Bay has confirmed it for those that doubt it.
Not a GB fan, but come on, he has been one of the greatest athletes of the last 2 decades. In my mind the Micheal Jordan or Tiger Woods of Football. Sometimes you have to look at the individual athlete and not just the sport.
daboyz
03-04-2008, 12:12 PM
I'm not a huge Favre fan so to me good riddance.(Doug,don't hate me:D)
Great talent but did a lot of stupid crap. Seemed like a stand up guy and wasn't a huge prima donna like others.
dkg999
03-04-2008, 12:22 PM
Daboyz - now I know what happened to the GB magnetic sign on the back of my truck ;)
daboyz
03-04-2008, 01:52 PM
Daboyz - now I know what happened to the GB magnetic sign on the back of my truck ;)
It's hanging on my toilet-helps my aim.
Polk user
03-04-2008, 05:51 PM
Love him or hate him, if your team was up by less than 7 with 2 minutes left and he had the ball you knew chances are your team was going home as losers. You gotta respect the quarterbacks you hated playing against.
The Bears should hire him or Bledsoe to coach Grossman. I'm still reeling on that decision.
Brett Favre deserves all the praise he gets. As a Bears fan I've seen him dismantle us too many times. Also agree that he seemed to be a down to earth guy.
steveinaz
03-05-2008, 02:33 PM
How do you pronounce "Favre" anyway?
wizzy
03-05-2008, 03:54 PM
Farve
dkg999
03-05-2008, 04:25 PM
How do you pronounce "Favre" anyway?
"legend"
ryanjoachim
03-05-2008, 07:40 PM
I've been watching him since I was 7 years old.
It is indeed a sad day...but I think Arron Rodgers (I spelt that wrong...) will do a great job with a little more experience!
Demiurge
03-05-2008, 08:18 PM
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg45/rj57/favre.jpg
It's like losing a member of your family because he's a guys guy. Been watching him play since I was a kid as well. Crazy.
That's all I have to say.
sophie
03-05-2008, 10:42 PM
he was playing before i was born. i don't care much for football anymore but my dad is a GB fan, and as a kid i lived to watch him play.
Payton
shawn474
08-05-2008, 03:26 PM
Is anybody else sick and F-ing tired of this guy now. I have been a Favre fan since I can remember, but the latest goings on make me sick. The way that sports personalities (not just him) flip flop and drag the fans, teammates and league through this is terrible. The organization is getting dragged through the mud for moving on and the commissioner was going to rule on this? WHY?!?!?!?!?! HE RETIRED - filed formal paperwork and everything. Green Bay should pay him his salary as agreed and he should not be eligible to play again until that contract expires.
Shawn
wizzy
08-05-2008, 03:29 PM
Well, some say it's not so much Favre as the Packers demanding he make a decision in March rather than giving him a reasonable amount of time.
March is too close to the end of the season - if they would have asked Brett to decide by June, which would have been plenty of time to adjust to Aaron Rodgers, this whole thing could have been averted.
W
You have to blame the Packers management for all the fuzz here. If they don't want him, release him. It's that simple. Brett is doing the right thing by going to camp and forcing GB to either p(l)ay, trade or release him. It's not their right to tell him he is done playing (well, they could, but I don't see them paying him 13mil to sit on the sidelines).
I'm bummed that I will miss the Favre led Vikes take on the Pack... :(
wizzy
08-05-2008, 03:38 PM
Yep ... for all he's done for the Pack, they should just give him a release and a thank you.
W
AsSiMiLaTeD
08-05-2008, 03:56 PM
It's always easier to blame the establishment than the individua, usually anyways. I'd agree that the Packers share most of the blame, but seriously when the guy tells you he's quitting you've got to move on and make plans to play without him, and then right before the season he wants to come back - well now all of your plans are out the window.
But you don't want to release him, because you don't want the Vikings with Brett Favre to beat you in the playoffs.
I'm not saying they're right, but you gotta look at it from both sides
jephdood
08-05-2008, 04:09 PM
I'm tired of turning on SportsCenter and having the lead story be what he ate for friggin' breakfast. Who cares already?!
Shicks18
08-05-2008, 04:16 PM
Was a big Favre fan until he tanked the sack to let Strahan break the record. Now all of this is icing on the cake!
But you don't want to release him, because you don't want the Vikings with Brett Favre to beat you in the playoffs.
Kinda moot since nobody is expecting Packers to go very far in a few years, expect the die hard fans and the management.
Demiurge
08-05-2008, 04:32 PM
I really don't think this is a situation where you'd say "If you aren't here, you wouldn't understand," but based on a lot of the commentary I have seen, both here and elsewhere, it almost fits.
The simple fact of the matter is that this is a dick measuring show. Ted Thompson (Packers GM) showed up from Seattle and decided he was the big dick in town and wanted Favre gone. Up here, this is something we have known since the second he got to town. I can only imagine how it felt to actually be inside of the organization when Thompson arrived. Being privy to Packer's writers up here, we do get some good insight.
Favre is a grown man who plays football for a living. I'm not going to fault him for retiring and un-retiring. He wants to play, so what? Let the man play, be it here or elsewhere. Put away the story books and recognize that this is real life. People retire and un-retire all of the time, even in sports.
Does it make Favre look like a douche? It kind of does just for the fact it's magnified x1000 because he's a famous athlete. I don't understand the hasty reaction to retire, but then again I haven't been in that position.
What's amazing is that Favre has completely outplayed the Packers organization. Thompson looks like a complete a-hole right now. He's also incredibly stupid for tying himself to Aaron Rodgers. Brett Favre is the better QB for winning right now. You don't build teams anymore in the NFL anymore. The window to win is incredibly small.
The way out of this for the Packers is to let Favre play. It puts all of the pressure on him to perform. Then again, it does diminish everything they've been saying the past few months.
Bottom line is I am a Packers fan first. Favre is still the better QB. The funny thing about the Vikings rumors....The Vikings are basically the Packers right now without Favre. If Favre wasn't on the Packers, he's exactly the kind of player the Packers would be looking for since they're so thin at QB.
It's all very amusing, but I am sick of hearing about it as well.
Also, anyone who says "release him," isn't using their brain. Football IS a business. You don't just let a guy go when you can get something for him. If Favre is going to play football somewhere else we damn well better get something for it.
heiney9
08-05-2008, 04:45 PM
Demi, it's sort of like the Jordan/Krause thing in Chicago. Jerry Krause sort of disbanded the Bulls after the 6th championship. Krause always thought he was the reason they won all the championships in Chicago and he made the decision to move the team along, leaving Jordan, Pippen, Kerr, etc, to find other places to play or retire.
Sound like the Packers new GM is moving along the same fate. I think it's an absolute travesty what they are doing to Favre. He made the Packers what they are in the past decade or more and he should get a lot more respect from the organization than he's getting.
And I'm a Bears fan; but I also realize what a great athlete and competitor Favre is/was. He has my respect even as a die hard Bears fan.
H9
The funny thing about the Vikings rumors....The Vikings are basically the Packers right now without Favre.
Well, the Vikings would have a potential SB team w/ Favre (and arguably even w/o him), and he knows that. He only has a few more years and I'm sure that's one of the reasons he's trying for a release, he wants to win it all now and the best chance by far is with the Vikings.
Demiurge
08-05-2008, 04:56 PM
Demi, it's sort of like the Jordan/Krause thing in Chicago. Jerry Krause sort of disbanded the Bulls after the 6th championship. Krause always thought he was the reason they won all the championships in Chicago and he made the decision to move the team along, leaving Jordan, Pippen, Kerr, etc, to find other places to play or retire.
Sound like the Packers new GM is moving along the same fate. I think it's an absolute travesty what they are doing to Favre. He made the Packers what they are in the past decade or more and he should get a lot more respect from the organization than he's getting.
H9
I agree it's eerily similar.
If Favre SUCKED for the last 3 years I would say trade him. Yeah, he threw the pick that ended a season a possible play short of a Super Bowl. Without Favre we weren't even in that game.
It's frustrating, really. Ever since Holmgren left (not that he was any saving grace) this organization has done nothing to get Favre known weapons to win. Prior, we went out and got Reggie White. We went out and got Andre Rison (where was Moss last year?). He's developed how many no-name wide outs since he's been in the league? I can't even count.
This whole state will tell you stories of 30 years of sucking since Starr. The Bears can tell similar stories of their own franchise.
You just don't throw it away because your GM has an ego problem.
Demiurge
08-05-2008, 05:00 PM
Well, the Vikings would have a potential SB team w/ Favre (and arguably even w/o him), and he knows that. He only has a few more years and I'm sure that's one of the reasons he's trying for a release, he wants to win it all now and the best chance by far is with the Vikings.
The Packers are a better team than last year with Favre and we were within a Favre interception of the Super Bowl last year. It wasn't a fluke.
Everything written about the Packers since March was with the assumption Aaron Rodgers was the QB.
He's stated he wants to play in GB. The Packers aren't letting him and at first wanted him to play 2nd string or compete for the job. Then they backed off on both and now they're back to waffling again.
The organization looks like a bunch of buffoons and last weeks stunt was just icing on the cake. Never heard of paying a guy to stay home unless you were afraid of him kicking your ass up and down the field elsewhere.
shawn474
08-05-2008, 05:01 PM
U agree that the organization may bear some blame, BUT THE GUY RETIRED! Why should they release him? So he can beat them by signing with another team. Why should they bench him? To pay him 20 million dollars (or whatever his salary is). When retired, only a small protion, if any, of his salary would count towards the cap.
Favre didn't HAVE to retire in May or June. He could have waited. He had the press conference, the farewell parade, the whole season was a farewell tour. It kind of devalued the whole thing. He, in my opinion, is accountable for the way that the organization has responded. They are trying to play hard ball with a legend - it's a lose, lose situation any way you cut it.
Shawn
heiney9
08-05-2008, 05:02 PM
You just don't throw it away because your GM has an ego problem.
One last thing about the Krause/Jordan/Jackson era. Krause was bound and determined to rebuild the Bulls (even thought they probably had another year or two left to compete with the current roster) and show the world it was HE who was responsible for the 6 Championships; not the players or coaches.
One wonders if the Packers new GM isn't doing the same thing. I am really starting to dislike professional sports as a whole because this sh*t goes on all the time now in the major sports. It has become less and less about the game and more and more about being in the headlines :mad:
H9
U agree that the organization may bear some blame, BUT THE GUY RETIRED!
BUT, BUT, BUT... he has the right to make a comeback anytime he wants to.
Why should they release him? So he can beat them by signing with another team. Why should they bench him? To pay him 20 million dollars (or whatever his salary is).
It's their problem, not his. If they don't want him, let him play somewhere else. He obviously still wants to play and the Packers can't dictate whether he can or not. At least not without paying him his salary and we all know that's not going to happen.
bobman1235
08-05-2008, 05:20 PM
Both parties share some blame, but just saying the Pack should "release him" is ignorant. He signed a contract and they want their money's worth. He retired (and everyone crying that the Packers "forced" him out - Favre specifically said last year, before he retired, that they have been nothing but gracious and patient with him, so, either he lied then or now). If he wants back he has to honor his contract. Which means the Packers are in charge of where he goes - they can trade him, play him, or bench him. Releasing him would be literally giving up a 20 million dollar a year asset for NOTHING.
Demiurge
08-05-2008, 05:35 PM
Both parties share some blame, but just saying the Pack should "release him" is ignorant. He signed a contract and they want their money's worth. He retired (and everyone crying that the Packers "forced" him out - Favre specifically said last year, before he retired, that they have been nothing but gracious and patient with him, so, either he lied then or now). If he wants back he has to honor his contract. Which means the Packers are in charge of where he goes - they can trade him, play him, or bench him. Releasing him would be literally giving up a 20 million dollar a year asset for NOTHING.
He's said year after year he's not ready to commit to football right after the season is over. Ted Thompson has been forcing Favre out the door. It wasn't an opinion last January and it's certainly not one now. This circus wouldn't exist if the Packers never really wanted Favre to retire. He was definitely putting on a media face. I wouldn't call it lying, I'd call it not being Terrell Owens.
The real crap being spewed is the "we've moved on," line. If Aaron Rodgers breaks his leg after the first play of the season (again ;) ) they had better have another QB ready to go, be it Brahm or Flynn. The 2nd string QB always gets a lot of reps.
There are teams all over the league that bring in Vet QBs during the season even and have no problem running an effective scheme.
Both parties share some blame, but just saying the Pack should "release him" is ignorant.
If they don't start him, trading or releasing him is the only option. His trade value isn't all that, and the teams where he would report to are not in great numbers, so releasing is a very valid option. Just trade him to the Vikes for a 3rd or 4th and be done with it, if you're lucky you might even get a 2nd. They're going to whip the Packers anyways, with or w/o Favre, so it doesn't matter.
If he wants back he has to honor his contract.
Contract works both ways, they'll be on the hook for 13mil. Do they want to allocate that much of their cap towards a backup QB? Sure GB is in charge of deciding whether he plays, or where he plays, but in reality Favre has them by the cojones. TT knows that.
Demiurge
08-05-2008, 07:20 PM
haha, wow...this press conference. I would have loved to be a fly on that wall. Well, at least we know one thing. He'll either retire for good or get traded, I'm sure. Unless he can progress Mr. Bean up there to release him tonight.
obieone
08-05-2008, 07:32 PM
Sheesh! Talk about an eggshell ego! "They can't live without me!"
bobman1235
08-05-2008, 07:35 PM
If they don't start him, trading or releasing him is the only option. His trade value isn't all that, and the teams where he would report to are not in great numbers, so releasing is a very valid option. Just trade him to the Vikes for a 3rd or 4th and be done with it, if you're lucky you might even get a 2nd. They're going to whip the Packers anyways, with or w/o Favre, so it doesn't matter.
My only real point is towards people who say the Packers "owe" it to Favre to release him because of the years he's put in, which is bull. Favre didn't volunteer his time, he's amassed a sizable fortune playing a game for a living. The Packers don't owe him squat. THe Packers owe it to their fans and selves to do what is in their own best interest, and that is it.
Don't get me wrong, I like Favre as a player, but he's not owed a damn thing.
Demiurge
08-05-2008, 07:56 PM
Sheesh! Talk about an eggshell ego! "They can't live without me!"
Where are you getting that from? :confused:
(BTW, we hear he's traded to Tampa Bay)
zombie boy 2000
08-06-2008, 12:20 PM
Demi... what's the general consensus on this in your neck of the woods? I understand the national perspective, but it's always more interesting to hear it from the trenches.
millerman 3732
08-06-2008, 12:25 PM
I heard on the radio alittle while ago that a trade could be done today, Jets or Bucs
Favre was the Packers for well over a decade. That franchise was sucking hind tit for 2 decades and then some, before he came into the picture. They would, most likely, be a cellar dweller still, if Favre wasn't on that team. He made others want to play in GB.
Don't get me wrong, both sides are at fault in there own ways, but they virtually forced him to give them an answer about retirement, when he wasn't quite ready to answer, so he relunctantly retired.
Piss poor management of the situation, PERIOD!!!
Demiurge
08-07-2008, 08:42 AM
He's a Jet now. :eek:
I'm personally glad it's over.
I don't know that it's going to work out for him, honestly. He's really stepping out of his own comfort zone. "Well, then why would you want him in Green Bay?"
The answer to that is simple. He's a better QB than Aaron Rodgers. Has chemistry with most of the team and knows the system.
It'll be interesting.
m00npie
08-07-2008, 09:01 AM
I wonder if the Jets fans are happier with Favre coming in or Pennington going out?
Fireman32
08-07-2008, 09:31 AM
As a Jets fan I am very happy about the trade. I think he will be a great assett to the team. Must go and order the jersey.
ohskigod
08-07-2008, 10:18 AM
WOW,
I guess whoever sold me his season ticket might be kicking himself in the arse right now....LOL
its a mixed bag.....Farve is not the future of the Jets, I think we all know that.
can he inject some life into the team, and his knowlege be used to groom whoever will follow in his position? YEP!
if the Jets kick a little ass in the process so be it, I'm hoping for a hell of a ride :DD
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