Marine Throws Puppy Off Cliff

[Shizelbs]

Has anyone else seen this video? Anyone else had their stomach turn upside down afterwards?

Please someone tell me its not real.

I'm no crazy animal rights advocate, but its pretty upsetting.

I'd embed the video, but it likely would get pulled down, and its disturbing.

Its fake right?

[polkatese]

it appears legit, and it was on MS NBC yesterday (not that it means anything). The comment was MP is looking into it and will prosecute, the guy who did it is based out of Honolulu.

[Shizelbs]

I guess his family lives not too far from me and they are getting all sorts of threats.

[c4kaboom]

it appears legit, and it was on MS NBC yesterday (not that it means anything). The comment was MP is looking into it and will prosecute, the guy who did it is based out of Honolulu. NBC equals Nothing But Clinton. Marines fight for peoples' freedom everyday, and die, and you hear nothing, zilch........Since the war began I have not heard one good thing the Marines have done in that country. We must have done one kind thing other than liberating approx. 40 million people. Let one Marine screw up and NBC is all over it like white on rice. Sometimes ya just can't win. Semper FI !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If it was fake there will be no retraction from the Nothing But Clinton network.

[wingnut4772]

I can't believe any one could do that. I am so sad that this could be.

[Shizelbs]

I don't care if it was the Pope doing it. Who throws a puppy like a baseball?

[c4kaboom]

I don't care if it was the Pope doing it. Who throws a puppy like a baseball? Sadam..... and kids too.

[SolidSqual]

The marine should be punished for disgracing the uniform. That being said, my cousin was out of his mind for a while after coming back from Iraq. He definitely had altered sensibilities. I'm not saying it's right, but one can only guess what that ass went through. (By ass I mean the guy in the video)

[wizzy]

The guy in the background saying "that's mean" kind of giggles near the end of the video ...

[AdamRagland]

ive read from a couple other sources that said claimed its very possible the puppy was already dead. its known to be a lot of dead stray dogs in iraq so itsa definitely possible. a friend of mine brought back a picture from falujah with a dead dog propped up smoking a cigarette. that dog was dead and so they were screwing around. i agree it is still retarded and sick in a way BUT if the dog was dead already i see no real harm in it except theyre idiots

[AdamRagland]

just to clarify though: if the dog was infact still alive..i would love to rip his balls off myself

[Shizelbs]

Regardless of the dog being alive or anything, its still a pretty shameful thing to do. The fact that it was done while in uniform makes it even worse.

Here's to still pulling for it being anything other than what it appears to be.

[Demiurge]

Why is off the wall shit like this news, but the good these guys do as a collective unit going largely ignored?

[Zero]

Who throws a puppy like a baseball?

I do. Kittens and children too.

[shadowofnight]

just to clarify though: if the dog was infact still alive..i would love to rip his balls off myself

That would be the LEAST I would do to that SOB......as jaded as I am in having seen everything possible put forth on video...and I mean everything...I just can't bring myself to watch that particular video.

[amulford]

Why is off the wall shit like this news, but the good these guys do as a collective unit going largely ignored?


Because the media likes to sensationalize. I hear good things alot, but it's small news. I just heard about soldiers who are sending strays back home.

Look at this realistically. Combat soldiers are trained to kill. People. It's not exactly a job for the queasy. But they are reprogrammed, it's a necessity.

Some people don't have a love for animals.

I had a job where I killed things. ALOT of things. For human consumption. Spring, was a real bitch. You desensitize.

This guy should get punished. No call for that.

And Sean, sometimes you ain't that funny...

[HB27]

I do NOT condone cruelty to animals.

Until all the facts are in I will withhold judgement.

Until you've been in combat do not judge.

Until you walk in his shoes and know his mind. Do Not Judge.

Until you've tried to survive in a third world country do Not judge.

Hopefully you will not have a bad day in combat and be judged.

Semper Fi

HB

[Demiurge]

It was more or less a rhetorical question. ;)

[cmy330go]

If he did in fact kill that dog I would have zero problems with him being thrown off the same cliff. Actually make it a higher one so he can think about it for a while on his way down. I don't give a rat's ass who he is or what he's done, people like that don't deserve to breathe.

[Shizelbs]

I am certain they are under stresses that I could never begin to imagine, but what they did is just plain wrong.

I've seen some pretty nasty, putrid, disgusting things in my career too, but even that video made me sick.

[SolidSqual]

Why is off the wall shit like this news, but the good these guys do as a collective unit going largely ignored?

Yup, NBC jumps on this but nothing good that they have done.

[SolidSqual]

I do NOT condone cruelty to animals.

Until all the facts are in I will withhold judgement.

Until you've been in combat do not judge.

Until you walk in his shoes and know his mind. Do Not Judge.

Until you've tried to survive in a third world country do Not judge.

Hopefully you will not have a bad day in combat and be judged.

Semper Fi

HB

My cousin was a marine who died in Iraq. He went on over 4 campaigns that I know of aside from his special forces work. He would have never killed a puppy. In fact, he tried to take one home from Iraq, but they caught him sneaking it on the plane. Stress or no stress, there needs to be a standard . . . for the military that standard is high . . . that dude didn't even try.

[Demiurge]

I am certain they are under stresses that I could never begin to imagine, but what they did is just plain wrong.

I've seen some pretty nasty, putrid, disgusting things in my career too, but even that video made me sick.

The point is that if it's not a Marine or it doesn't serve some other agenda driven function, it's not "news". There's a lot of sick shit on the internet that most people will never hear about. The only reason people ran with this is because it's supposed to paint all Marines in a bad light, which is effin' bullshit.

Furthermore, these things tend not to be true over time, and there's never any media follow up. I'm not saying it's real or fake, just that doing some actual JOURNALISM before running the story all over the wires might have helped just a tad.

It's never about the facts -- it's about the seriousness of the charge. Damage has been done, real or fake.

[Shizelbs]

1)The point is that if it's not a Marine or it doesn't serve some other agenda driven function, it's not "news". There's a lot of sick shit on the internet that most people will never hear about. The only reason people ran with this is because it's supposed to paint all Marines in a bad light, which is effin' bullshit.

2)Furthermore, these things tend not to be true over time, and there's never any media follow up. I'm not saying it's real or fake, just that doing some actual JOURNALISM before running the story all over the wires might have helped just a tad.

3)It's never about the facts -- it's about the seriousness of the charge. Damage has been done, real or fake.

1) I agree with you. What I find disgusting is the act. I would have posted this story had it been a group of chubby pharmacists throwing puppies. Now, that story likely would not have been spread all over the internet to get back to me, but thats another point. I agree with you. But for me, the fact that he is a Marine has nothing to do with it. Its a shame for Marines that this happened, but it did.

2) I agree with you.

3) Agreed. I'm sure Roger Clemens would agree too.

[HB27]

I AM NOT DEFENDING HIS ACTIONS.

I'm saying I will wait until all the facts are in before I pass judgement. No matter how bad this looks he still has rights.

The U.S.M.C. has ways of dealing with behavior unbecoming to the Corps. Rest assured if guilty he will be punished beyond your expectations.

The U.S.M.C. takes a lot of stock in The Uniform Code of Military Justice. It will be adhered to.

If he's guilty without reason he should join the dog.

HB

[Shizelbs]

And the only reason I know about this story in the first place is that the family of the thrower lives about 10 minutes away from me. I read about it in our local paper.

[Demiurge]

1) I agree with you. What I find disgusting is the act. I would have posted this story had it been a group of chubby pharmacists throwing puppies. Now, that story likely would not have been spread all over the internet to get back to me, but thats another point. I agree with you. But for me, the fact that he is a Marine has nothing to do with it. Its a shame for Marines that this happened, but it did.

2) I agree with you.

3) Agreed. I'm sure Roger Clemens would agree too.

My post wasn't really directed at you so much as the media in general. Sorry! This was a wire story that started making the rounds heavily on Monday.

[Lasareath]

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[mrbigbluelight]

Sal, I have to admit ..... you had me worried there for a second. I thought something bad was going to happen to that puppy.


Maybe the best thing that could have happened to that Marine that seemingly tossed that puppy was his buddy posting that video.

If that video is accurate, that Marine has a problem.

If he tossed the puppy because he was mad because he lost $10 the night before in a poker game, than he has a big problem. Probably had it when he joined.
If he tossed the puppy because he was stressed because he lost a couple of buddies during his tour, and had their intestines blown all over his face by an IED, than he has a problem. Probably got that problem after he joined.

In any event, by having his problem revealed, maybe he'll get some help from the military.

The military is now, by news accounts, testing EVERY soldier coming back from Iraq/Afghanistan for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.

IMO, that's a good thing. I don't see that as a slap at any soldier who's served but, rather, as a sign that the military is now trying to make sure every soldier who does come back, comes back in one piece .... and whole. As best they can.

Until the news media exposed the disgusting travesty at Walter Reed (amongst other military hospitals), it was all business as usual and the wounded were caring for each other as much as they were cared for.

The military brass knew it .... or should have.
The hospital "administrators" knew it .... period.
Congress knew it .... but the bottom line must be watched, and care costs.
The wounded sure knew it ..... they were living it.

But until the news media exposed it, nothing was done.

Nothing.

So, IMO, let the facts be revealed, and deal with the facts.

If the truth has to be hidden, than something bigger is wrong.

[Sherardp]

Sucks he did do this in uniform and it is a disgrace to the uniform. The USMC is held to the utmost standards compared to other branches, I know from serving my short 8 yrs.

On another note, those that mention kicking the guy's a$$,etc. I hope you're up for the challenge, even the most average Marine, as in a cook, is trained to kill, fight 1st........so good luck with that. God be with you if he's a grunt or Recon.

[tonyb]

Why is off the wall shit like this news, but the good these guys do as a collective unit going largely ignored?

Bingo!!!!!

If in fact by some chance it was true,then that marine should be thrown off a bridge.

[hearingimpared]

Human beings are more important than animals not that that makes it right to kill an innocent animal for fun. No-one knows the truth on this matter and already people are ripping the soldiers balls off. Pfft, I'd like to see you try, that Marine would have your balls swinging from the nearest tree while drinking a beer.

[venomclan]

Bottom Line:
The USA is the best country in the world and our military is also the best in the world. Not because of might, but because we rush to help anyone in the world that cannot help themselves. We protect helpless people and animals who would otherwise be threatened by man or nature. We are not perfect, but the closest thing to it on the planet. Risking their lives in sacrifice for others.

This marine, regardless of the circumstances, does not deserve to be a part of that team. Only a coward would do such a thing to a helpless creature, alive or dead. He should be dishonorably discharged and criminal charges brought against him.
Venom

[shawn474]

If this proves to be true, regardless of who he is, what rank, etc. he should be dishonorably discharged and charged to the fullest extent of the law. Just because he's a marine doesn't mean he is immune to the law and human decency. What a shame for that poor dog.......................

Shawn

[Refefer]

Why is off the wall shit like this news, but the good these guys do as a collective unit going largely ignored?

It's easier to criticize than to heap praise?

Honestly, I'm glad videos like this come to the public eye: makes it easier to self govern ourselves. That jackass earns himself a swift kick in the ass, and a dismissal from our armed services. I don't want that eff up representing United States interests overseas.

Glad he got caught before he did something stupid like throw a human being off a cliff...

[strider]

I don't, and quite honestly hope never to, understand what a person goes through in war. My grandfather was still deeply affected by what he experienced in the Asian theater during WWII, especially the aftermath of the bombs dropping in Japan, when he lost his ability to speak in the weeks before he passed. This was after over 50 years. My initial reaction upon hearing this story was very similar to the others posted here; rip his balls off, throw him off a cliff, etc. After that emotional/gut reaction subsided, I think it's important to know the whole story. I'm certainly not in a position to judge.

[danger boy]

this is disturbing video... that is/was a cute puppy. sad.

[shadowofnight]

Pfft, I'd like to see you try, that Marine would have your balls swinging from the nearest tree while drinking a beer.

Cmon Joe, you can't make a blanket statement like that, I can't speak for anybody else of course...or go into any unnecessary details but I would be sipping down that beer while watching his little balls swing on that tree as the rest of the puppies played with them.

I do agree with you that human beings are more important then animals ( Well most human beings ) ....but seeing something of that nature would override my training as well as teachings and that type of action would be treated as an attack on my own person.

[hearingimpared]

Bro my point is that everyone is ready to crucify this soldier and NO-ONE knows for sure the circumstances. For all we know he threw a stuffed animal off the cliff.

If he did do this then he should be punished according to the military wartime code.

As far as my blanket statement goes I was trying to make the point as to how overboard people can think but when the reality of what they say sinks in (their own balls swinging from a tree or even trying to hurt a Marine) it's too late to take it back.

[jakelm]

Whose the dumb ass that video'd it?

Thats like having a buddy record a video of me stealing a car.

They should be punished for just being that stupid.

[shadowofnight]

Bro my point is that everyone is ready to crucify this soldier and NO-ONE knows for sure the circumstances. For all we know he threw a stuffed animal off the cliff.

If he did do this then he should be punished according to the military wartime code.

As far as my blanket statement goes I was trying to make the point as to how overboard people can think but when the reality of what they say sinks in (their own balls swinging from a tree or even trying to hurt a Marine) it's too late to take it back.

I understand...no harm no foul....Also you cant hang somebody on hearsay....if the puppy was dead already and they did the video as a joke , they would only be guilty of being assholes....not worthy of losing their balls over it.

It's just a shame that it was done in either of the 2 possibilities ...in a US Marines uniform...either killers needing severe punishment or jokesters needing just a good hand slap...that it was done in uniform is what makes it much worse for us proud americans.

[bikezappa]

I heard an interview with the late Susan Sontag. During the interview she quoted someone that I forget now. But the quote said "That if you can imagine the most horrible tragedy possible, then it has already been done by humans"

WTF

[shack]

Bro my point is that everyone is ready to crucify this soldier and NO-ONE knows for sure the circumstances. For all we know he threw a stuffed animal off the cliff.

If he did do this then he should be punished according to the military wartime code.

I am ready to crucify this marine if he did what the video purports he did. I feel the same about the idiot who videoed the squirrel swatter, the idiots who put animals in microwaves, the idiots who set defenseless animals on fire, the idiots who participate, promote and finance dog fighting (can you say Michael Vick), the idiots who run over sick cattle with a forklift so the meat can be sold to school, etc…etc…etc….

I am not an animal activist and PETA is equally as bad on the other end of the spectrum.

I like animals and I understand their place in our world not only as co-inhabitants, companions and beasts of burden...but also as a food source. I think it has been proven time and time again...the way a person treats a helpless animal says very much about that person as a human being and relates to the way they treat other humans. We should strive to treat animals "humanely and ethically" as much as possible...but intentional mistreatment is wrong and should not be tolerated.

[sucks2beme]

Do you think anyone would complain If I do a video of a marine
throwing Hillary off of a cliff?

[Lasareath]

Sal, I have to admit ..... you had me worried there for a second. I thought something bad was going to happen to that puppy.

It's Very sad, I sent the whistling puppy video to a bunch of friends and one replied, He owns his own Tattoo shop, and this is his email:

your gettin' soft in your old age Sal.
doctors orders, go to listen to some Mercyful Fate!
hows it hangin Bro.?
hope all is well for you in the Jerz. hows that stereo stack system working for ya?
we just picked up the new Bose 5 disc (plus one seperate) changer. massive sound Bro!
be well here in hell!
,R

NOOOOOOOO!!!!!! Not Bose!!!!!, URGH!!!!!!

[audiobliss]

Do you think anyone would complain If I do a video of a marine
throwing Hillary off of a cliff?
Nope! And I think it'd be even better if it wasn't fake!

:D

[c4kaboom]

Sucks he did do this in uniform and it is a disgrace to the uniform. The USMS is held to the utmost standards compared to other branches, I know from serving my short 8 yrs.

On another note, those that mention kicking the a$$,etc. I hope you're up for the challenge, even the most average Marine, as in a cook, is trained to kill, fight 1st........so good luck with that. God be with you if he's a grunt or Recon.

Dude better bring his best game if he is going to tangle with 4th RECON. HOOORAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. Semper Fi (67-71)

[Zero]

Just saw the video - was expecting mucho worse.

[brettw22]

The point is that if it's not a Marine or it doesn't serve some other agenda driven function, it's not "news". There's a lot of sick shit on the internet that most people will never hear about. The only reason people ran with this is because it's supposed to paint all Marines in a bad light, which is effin' bullshit.Agreed that it's big because it's Military.....but don't go blaming the media for distributing what the dumbshits videotaped themselves doing. Also, it's a lame to say that the intent is to put out there that "ALL MARINES" should be looked down on for what this guy did. Maybe I'm just of a higher intelligence to recognize a few bad seeds don't categorically ruin the entire branch of the military.

For all we know he threw a stuffed animal off the cliff. Really? You believe that he happened to be carrying a stuffed dog with him on patrol and thought he would have someone video tape him throwing a stuffed animal? That's absolutely ignorant to believe, IMO.....

[Demiurge]

Agreed that it's big because it's Military.....but don't go blaming the media for distributing what the dumbshits videotaped themselves doing. Also, it's a lame to say that the intent is to put out there that "ALL MARINES" should be looked down on for what this guy did. Maybe I'm just of a higher intelligence to recognize a few bad seeds don't categorically ruin the entire branch of the military.

I'm asking for equal coverage, that's all. This is considered "news", but the good news you have to dig to try and find. That's wrong.

As far as intelligence, there are a lot of stupid people out there and the media counts on that when they run these types of stories. If you don't find it to be agenda driven, fine, but I do. I could deal with it if the Marine Puppy tossing stories were followed up with stories of guys like Capt. Scott Southworth.

The seriousness of the charge is far more important than the facts. Funny we're still wondering if it's real (which it probably is), but it's been a "news" story for well over a week.

[brettw22]

Either way.......it wouldn't be a story if they hadn't opted to record themselves being idiots so the blame for this existing as a 'story' wholely lies on the soldiers that were involved IMO. The media wasn't out roaming around the desert looking for puppy tossing stories.........

[jakelm]

Throw mamma off a train.

And now:

Throw puppy off a cliff.

and up next:

Throw soldier in a brig.

[Demiurge]

Either way.......it wouldn't be a story if they hadn't opted to record themselves being idiots so the blame for this existing as a 'story' wholely lies on the soldiers that were involved IMO. The media wasn't out roaming around the desert looking for puppy tossing stories.........

That first part is true, the latter I do wonder about sometimes. Good stories out of Iraq, no matter what they are, aren't anything the TV news media seems to be too interested in. :)

[brettw22]

I guess I also don't understand the 'all media is out to slander the military' viewpoint......I see stories about returned soldiers and communities coming together to support soldiers all the time

Also, and this isn't intended to go 'there' but the people running that show do a lot of cheerleading about what's being done.....sometimes the news stories reflect that, and sometimes they don't but that doesn't mean that both are categorically slamming things entirely one way or the other......

[Sherardp]

Dude better bring his best game if he is going to tangle with 4th RECON. HOOORAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. Semper Fi (67-71)

Semper Fi Devil Dog, Blood Makes Grass Greener. HOOOOORAHHHHH (95-02 1st MAR DIV)

[SolidSqual]

Semper Fi Devil Dog, Blood Makes Grass Greener. HOOOOORAHHHHH (95-02 1st MAR DIV)

You guys are awesome. Keep kicking ass.

[mrbigbluelight]

I don't have any difficulty in seeing "positive" news stories coming out of Iraq/Afghanistan and I never get to see the news, Monday through Friday.

I don't have cable TV, so it might be a case of "Over the Air" broadcasts are friendlier, but I don't believe so.

[hearingimpared]

Agreed that it's big because it's Military.....but don't go blaming the media for distributing what the dumbshits videotaped themselves doing. Also, it's a lame to say that the intent is to put out there that "ALL MARINES" should be looked down on for what this guy did. Maybe I'm just of a higher intelligence to recognize a few bad seeds don't categorically ruin the entire branch of the military.

Really? You believe that he happened to be carrying a stuffed dog with him on patrol and thought he would have someone video tape him throwing a stuffed animal? That's absolutely ignorant to believe, IMO.....

Yeah, no-one ever makes hoax videos.:rolleyes:

[PolkThug]

The video is real. People should be outraged that kid threw away a perfectly good meal.

[MrNightly]

The video is real. People should be outraged that kid threw away a perfectly good meal.

Hear Hear! ;)

In my few trips to China, you would see cats and dogs chained up outside little shops one day, the next, you'd be eating them.

While he was a dumbass for doing it in a Military Uniform, they are trained to kill... and probably do kill on a daily basis. It was an animal (If it was real or even alive) not a human. While he should be punished for not having a brain to do it in uniform, but who really gives a rat's ass anyways? It's a freakin' war zone over there... give them some credit for keeping the war on foreign soil, and not American ground... yet.

[Joe08867]

I don't care if the guy is a Marine or a Crossing Guard. It is Animal Cruelty plain and simple. If it is found to be true (Which I think it is) the Corp will handle it. It would be one thing if the animal was dead but to throw a live animal off a cliff is just f-ing stupid.
I would like to throw him off a cliff. The Jackoff.

I am all for hearing some good stuff from Iraq but this country(USA) likes gore not fluff.

Not something we should be proud of.

[Poee7R]

So many things come to mind when you watch that video. And because im a nice guy I wont mention them.

I just hope he is dealt with properly.


Dave

[HB27]

Dude better bring his best game if he is going to tangle with 4th RECON. HOOORAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. Semper Fi (67-71)

Wouldn't be 169th Artie Party would ya?
HB

[ben62670]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57KDDKbfhmI&feature=related

[MrNightly]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57KDDKbfhmI&feature=related

Classic.... :D

[Ron-P]

It's an f'ing dog, who cares. People are dying every day over there and there's a 3 page thread on a dog getting tossed. WTF?!

[ben62670]

It's an f'ing dog, who cares. People are dying every day over there and there's a 3 page thread on a dog getting tossed. WTF?!

I don't condone killing puppies, but...
"It's an f'ing dog"

My sentiments exactly, any heroic what I would do to him crap without knowing what that guy has gone through is pretty lame. I could understand if it was their puppy. I know some people that have been actually in service over there. Its kinda like Vietnam in respect to you don't know who is a friendly, or a suicide bomber. I know one guy who was ordered to shoot an 8 year old boy who was unarmed. That guy shot himself in the foot to get out of there. Do I think that guy should go unpunished? No, but get a grip. Those guys and gals who are actually in service in the nasty are getting shot at out of nowhere by snipers, and dealing with people blowing themselves up to get their gift of how many virgins when they die in the name of who! I am a dog lover, and I wish people were half as faithful as a dogs, but come angry stone throwers get a grip, and think just a little, Just a little. Any way most of us are middle aged over weight, out of shape guys that would probably get their asses whooped by this young trained soldier. Sorry If I have reposted what has already been said, but I stopped reading after a couple of "heroic post" made me shake my head in disbelief.
It's an f'ing dog

Well said.

[CAvolleyballguy]

pretty heated topic. allow me to stoke the fire... I was never much of an animal lover my whole life, especially dogs, in fact I hated them, until recently this year when i got pretty attached to my girlfriends little bulldog... now I appreciate the companionship and unconditional love they do give and bring to a family... and I understand why animal people really love their animals...that being said.. It makes me sick if that kid did that, but...

The problem with this country is a larger majority of people would buy an animal on the street something to eat or take it in and give is shelter, than would ever think about picking up the tab for a couple of soldiers eating out someplace... I say this because I have done exactly that on more than one occassion. I sell in a large geography and there are couple towns that are military towns I go through. I appreciate what these soldiers do and I know they dont make a whole lot. I also know they are volunteer which makes them that much more respected in my opinion.

I encourage any of you on here who can afford to pick up the tab (which most of you can) for some service personell sometime to do it... It really makes their day... It let's them know someone appreciates them..

Now the only reason I have any sense of obligation towards our military is because of my father and grandfather who both served and a very good friend who serves now. I've spent enough time around them all that I really know the deal with what goes on when you are in a foreign land and find yourself on the opposite end of an enemy weapon.

Folks the percentage of support troops to combat troops is something like 80-20. Most people that served in the military have never seen the action that guy in the video has seen I'm sure. My father was on the front lines in cambodia and was a mess for 20 years after the war. Litteraly took him 20 years to get his life together. I have heard most of his stories, and there are a few he still wont talk about. The things that you will do to survive in a war zone are incomprehensible to most people and until we walk in his shoes we are all unqualified to pass judgement, which is why they have military justice. Let a jury of his peers pass judgement. The story should never even have made the news. It's insulting to my intelligence that, that story makes the news...when you know...How many homicides do you think occured that day across the country (probably some poor ethnic person somewhere) and what that story tells me is the media will value a dog life over that of a human because...it sells...to a majority of the american people watching the TV... so what if another kid died in the ghetto, did you see the puppy video...

[tonyb]

Media has an adjenda,as told by the front page stories they want you to see.Did not hear a peep when the jewish kids were killed last week in their temple,but we all know this about the media anyway.Somewhere along the line they stopped just reporting the news and made it all political B.S.

[exalted512]

I don't condone killing puppies, but...
"It's an f'ing dog"

My sentiments exactly, any heroic what I would do to him crap without knowing what that guy has gone through is pretty lame. I could understand if it was their puppy. I know some people that have been actually in service over there. Its kinda like Vietnam in respect to you don't know who is a friendly, or a suicide bomber. I know one guy who was ordered to shoot an 8 year old boy who was unarmed. That guy shot himself in the foot to get out of there. Do I think that guy should go unpunished? No, but get a grip. Those guys and gals who are actually in service in the nasty are getting shot at out of nowhere by snipers, and dealing with people blowing themselves up to get their gift of how many virgins when they die in the name of who! I am a dog lover, and I wish people were half as faithful as a dogs, but come angry stone throwers get a grip, and think just a little, Just a little. Any way most of us are middle aged over weight, out of shape guys that would probably get their asses whooped by this young trained soldier. Sorry If I have reposted what has already been said, but I stopped reading after a couple of "heroic post" made me shake my head in disbelief.
It's an f'ing dog

Well said.ditto.
-Cody

[Deadof_knight]

Im not military however my father was. You dont digrace the uniform period. if so you get punished as you should be. I would like to personally kick the tar out of him though I have 5 wonderful Labs .....Allthough Ive screamed and yelled and whooped them.Ive also waded into a nasty lagoon and other areas that are nasty Icy ponds to save mine. I wasnt happy about it but I wouldnt let anything happen to them. Their like kids except they dont bitch as much......

[shack]

The "it's only a dog" statements piss me off. I've said it before...the way one treats a helpless animal says a lot about that person as a human being. Killing animals is a necessary part of life. MISTREATING an animal is something different and is disgusting IMO.

There are arguments to be made about a street person vs a homeless animal. One has the ability to help themselves...one does not.

If it was real....the Marine is a disgrace to the uniform. If it was fake...he still can be faulted for staging a sophmoric "prank" for one and all to see.

http://www.marines.mil/marinelink/mcn2000.nsf/marinesega2.jpg

Either way...not much to be proud about...

[AdamRagland]

just because you wear a uniform doesnt make you a soldier. if we wanna say "i know these things better than you because my daddy was a soldier" thats a big old load. a dear friend of mine is a retired SF Colonel who was a ranger/green beret during vietnam. he would be one to tell you that just because you wear a uniform with your countries flag on it doesnt make you a soldier. its who you are inside that counts. just like any other profession in the world, there will be bad people. just like this whole stink in japan over those marines raping a japanese woman. are they just confused soldiers too? no theyre BAD people. if your brain can make a conscious decision to harm and cause pain to a living creature just for the pleasure of it..dog or no dog its the princible of his mindset. you act like everyone in the military is a hero..just like there are pediatricians who molest little boys, just like there are fireman who murder, just like there are dirty cops who beat women who are handcuffed. in every profession there will be bad people. this is probably an example of one. and if you really wanna believe that "these guys have it rough over there so i understand" then you are simply a moron. yes they do have it rough. but thats the quality of a true hero is to withhold your integrity through hardships.

[hockeyboy]

Well said Adam. I am not really sure where all of this "buy a soldier a meal" stuff comes along. Being a soldier is a choice, and an occupation. Just like being a mailman is a choice, or being a fireman, or polk salesman is a choice.

I certainly support the troops but just don't get all of this "give to the soldiers" stuff. Being a soldier is a very important occupation, for which they are more well compensated than ever. My nephew works about 25 hours a week by his own admission and is stationed in Mosul. He is typically given 8 hours to do 3 hours worth of work, and for that is given combat pay, room & board, transportation, education opportunity, and doesn't even pay for his laundry. So why the hell would anyone buy him lunch, other than a relative? It isn't like he was drafted and forced to go somewhere. He saw a better deal than he had, and took it. I love him and am proud that he made the choice, but trust me he would NEVER accept a handout. But of course, he is also the type of person that would not throw a defenseless living creature to it's death no matter what he has been through. Personal choice, personal responsibility. That is all society asks for.

[bikezappa]

just because you wear a uniform doesnt make you a soldier. if we wanna say "i know these things better than you because my daddy was a soldier" thats a big old load. a dear friend of mine is a retired SF Colonel who was a ranger/green beret during vietnam. he would be one to tell you that just because you wear a uniform with your countries flag on it doesnt make you a soldier. its who you are inside that counts. just like any other profession in the world, there will be bad people. just like this whole stink in japan over those marines raping a japanese woman. are they just confused soldiers too? no theyre BAD people. if your brain can make a conscious decision to harm and cause pain to a living creature just for the pleasure of it..dog or no dog its the princible of his mindset. you act like everyone in the military is a hero..just like there are pediatricians who molest little boys, just like there are fireman who murder, just like there are dirty cops who beat women who are handcuffed. in every profession there will be bad people. this is probably an example of one. and if you really wanna believe that "these guys have it rough over there so i understand" then you are simply a moron. yes they do have it rough. but thats the quality of a true hero is to withhold your integrity through hardships.

Well said.

Finding fault with military people and/or cops doesn't mean they are all bad.

It just means maybe one or two are bad.

These videos could all be staged and not real, but the actions they are showing just plain sucks.

[jakelm]

Well to me, someone stepping up on their own accord and taking the job of protecting me, without being forced to do so, is a bigger Hero in my opinion.

And I support my Heros, even if its just buying them lunch.

[AdamRagland]

i dont think this should turn into a debate about each mans patriotism on this forum. reading these posts i can tell we all have a love for our country and appreciate and support our troops. we may have different outlooks on this particular instance but i think we can all agree that the men and women who serve this country *HONORABLY* are heroic and deserve our support.

[PhantomOG]

Its funny that alot of the guys standing up for this "marine" because of what he has or is going through in a war zone would be the first in line to crucify someone else for doing something wrong and then blaming their behaviour on external forces (temporary insanity/It's not my fault cuz my daddy didn't love me/etc).

Its all about personal responsibility. Does his behaviour mean all Marines are bad? Hell no.

That said, I trust the rest of the soldiers he reports to will find out all of the facts involved in the case and act accordingly.

[hockeyboy]

:eek:To me, a guy throwing a puppy off a cliff doesn't seem like a "Hero" Jake. Other guys that are protecting you every day: Policeman, FBI, CIA, Construction Workers, City Inspectors, Fire Fighters, FDA employees, etc.

You have a lot of lunches to buy! That being said, Adam has a terrific point. I can be certain that each of us love our country and respect those who serve. We view things a bit differently in our patriotism, but can't we agree there should be a rule for soldiers: "Do not throw puppies off of cliffs"?

[jakelm]

To me, a guy throwing a puppy off a cliff doesn't seem like a "Hero" Jake.

I never excused his actions!!!!!

Other guys that are protecting you every day: Policeman, FBI, CIA, Construction Workers, City Inspectors, Fire Fighters, FDA employees, etc.

You have a lot of lunches to buy!



I said a soldier who protects me willingly. That includes everyone, you listed. Those soldiers dont sleep in their own bed at night, unlike Police and CIA and construction workes etc....

And yes, we all have alot of lunches to buy.

[hockeyboy]

Point taken Jake.

[jakelm]

The soldier is fighting an enemy, in a desert, thousands of miles away, so YOU dont have to fight that enemy in your backyard. And we are thowing stones at him for an incedent with a dog?????

[danger boy]

Media has an adjenda,as told by the front page stories they want you to see.Did not hear a peep when the jewish kids were killed last week in their temple,but we all know this about the media anyway.Somewhere along the line they stopped just reporting the news and made it all political B.S.

It's so easy to blame the media.. the media does not create these events.. the media only reports on them.. some are biased and some are not of course. But blaming the media is a cop out.

Why not just blame the media for also getting the Tasteful Babe Thread closed in here while you're at it. OMG!

The media isn't to blame for everything you don't like. :mad:

[Demiurge]

The soldier is fighting an enemy, in a desert, thousands of miles away, so YOU dont have to fight that enemy in your backyard. And we are thowing stones at him for an incedent with a dog?????

Who gives a shit what he's doing? If he did do this, he should be dealt with accordingly. Knowing the military, they'll deal with him properly.

Just because you're a soldier doesn't give your the right to do things like this, and I am very supportive of the military. It's asinine to give this guy a pass because of 'what he's seen and going through'. Give me a break. Maybe we shouldn't be chasing that Marine, Cesar Laurean that allegedly killed a woman who was 8 months pregnant becuase he went through some tough times in Iraq. :rolleyes:

Dogs aren't humans, and stealing a soda isn't murder -- we have varying levels of punishment to fit the crimes because of that.

These soldiers are admired for what they do for their country and putting their lives on the lines. That service doesn't absolve them of responsibility for their actions.

That said, I won't come down on this guy until I know if it's all true or not.

[Demiurge]

It's so easy to blame the media.. the media does not create these events.. the media only reports on them.. some are biased and some are not of course. But blaming the media is a cop out.

Why not just blame the media for also getting the Tasteful Babe Thread closed in here while you're at it. OMG!

The media isn't to blame for everything you don't like. :mad:

Didn't you used to be a camera man or something, if I recall from some old threads? In the interests of being open, you should probably disclose you used to be part of the media with posts like this. Are you still? :confused:

The media is biased, some outlets more than others, and it's all well documented. If it fits your world view you probably don't care. If it doesn't, you probably do care -- or perhaps you just don't know it's happening.

The media does indeed create stories, they just count on the stupid public not looking into the claims -- look at Dan Rather....Jayson Blair? We could go on. The media used to be accountable to no one. Now they're finally starting to be held accountable more and more, which is exactly how it should be.

[jakelm]

Ok, so we all support our military. And we all think that some sort of punishment is needed in a case like this.

Good enough..

[AdamRagland]

no demi your wrong!! my local news had a story on last night about an old lady who has a pet squirrel. thats not biased thats world class news right there!!!

[jakelm]

You absolutly right Demi,

Just look at our little club here.

How many times has someone been misquoted? Or someone pulled a quote from somewhere else, that was completely out of context.

The trueth can be scewed to a point to where its not the trueth. And the media are pros at it.

Most of the times its just "Based on a true stroy"

[bikezappa]

The trueth can be scewed to a point to where its not the trueth. And the media are pros at it.

Most of the times its just "Based on a true stroy"

I agree, Fox News comes to mind.

[hockeyboy]

The Marine Corps have issued a statement clearly condemning the actions of the soldier, who incidentally appears to be stationed in a non-combat duty in the brutal hell of Hawaii.

In a statement, the Marines said the video is "shocking and deplorable and is contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine." Here is a link to the guys myspace page, his name is David Motari.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=348896236

"We do not tolerate this type of behavior and will take appropriate action," according to the statement. In their statement, the Marines acknowledged that the video could tarnish the image of America's servicemen and women: "There have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.

"Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines behave."

[AdamRagland]

haha did you see what it says on his myspace? "Leave your intentions in your friend request. i'm tired of the hate"

[ben62670]

Just because you're a soldier doesn't give your the right to do things like this, and I am very supportive of the military. It's asinine to give this guy a pass because of 'what he's seen and going through'. Give me a break. Maybe we shouldn't be chasing that Marine, Cesar Laurean that allegedly killed a woman who was 8 months pregnant becuase he went through some tough times in Iraq. :rolleyes:

I don't see anywhere anyone saying he should not be punished. Who has said let him go unpunished?
I think that these post should be read, and reread before replying. A short vid(are these guys retarded for filming this:confused:), and the media hype sets the emotional tone right where they want it. Thats their job, and look how well the controversy has sparked up CP. I am saying this softly. I think anyone who throws a puppy off a cliff is messed up. Anyone who hasn't walked a mile in his shoes, or knows someone who has gone through serious combat should not be so quick to throw stones.

Thanks
Ben

[ben62670]

The Marine Corps have issued a statement clearly condemning the actions of the soldier, who incidentally appears to be stationed in a non-combat duty in the brutal hell of Hawaii.

In a statement, the Marines said the video is "shocking and deplorable and is contrary to the high standards we expect of every Marine." Here is a link to the guys myspace page, his name is David Motari.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=348896236

"We do not tolerate this type of behavior and will take appropriate action," according to the statement. In their statement, the Marines acknowledged that the video could tarnish the image of America's servicemen and women: "There have been numerous stories of Marines adopting pets and bringing them home from Iraq or helping to arrange life-saving medical care for Iraqi children.

"Those are the stories that exemplify what we stand for and how most Marines behave."

OK
Lets flog him!

[Demiurge]

I don't see anywhere anyone saying he should not be punished. Who has said let him go unpunished?
I think that these post should be read, and reread before replying. A short vid(are these guys retarded for filming this:confused:), and the media hype sets the emotional tone right where they want it. Thats their job, and look how well the controversy has sparked up CP. I am saying this softly. I think anyone who throws a puppy off a cliff is messed up. Anyone who hasn't walked a mile in his shoes, or knows someone who has gone through serious combat should not be so quick to throw stones.

Thanks
Ben

I think you may need to do some re-reading there, Ben. Words mean things. That, and if your last sentence is true, I must be damn near an expert since most of my family is military and my best friend is Navy SEAL. I'm quite sympathetic to the things soldiers and their families have to go through in a time of war. I don't need to be lectured about throwing stones at this alledged (and now confirmed) rotten piece of shit.

For further clarification, this is what I replied to:

The soldier is fighting an enemy, in a desert, thousands of miles away, so YOU dont have to fight that enemy in your backyard. And we are thowing stones at him for an incedent with a dog?????

The first sentence is full of excuses for poor behavior.

Being a soldier isn't an excuse for behavior like this, period. I don't need to have my boots on the ground over there to know that.

I reacted to what was written. If there was a different intent in your post you should probably clarify what you're saying. ;)

[ben62670]

Being a soldier isn't an excuse for behavior like this, period.

I do get confused sometimes. Not kidding. Reading comprehension has gotten me in the past. But what I have never seen anyone say to excuse his behavior:confused:

[RuSsMaN]

I haven't read the thread, haven't watched any video (never will). I sure am getting sick of seeing the thread title in new post searches when I log on.

Just gives me the creeps.

[Jstas]

I haven't read the thread, haven't watched any video (never will). I sure am getting sick of seeing the thread title in new post searches when I log on.

Just gives me the creeps.

So lock it down.

[Demiurge]

I do get confused sometimes. Not kidding. Reading comprehension has gotten me in the past. But what I have never seen anyone say to excuse his behavior:confused:

I completely understand that defending the guy for being a soldier in the middle of the war doesn't translate to saying we shouldn't do anything about his piss poor behavior. I don't really care who you are, you don't throw dogs off the side of a cliff for whatever reason and you should expect to get a lot of crap for it if you do it. I read the commentary as excuse making.


It's 2 sentences, man. The linguistics weren't in terms that were too complex, in my opinion. If you don't see it, lets just drop it.

[ben62670]

Hey Demi.
My dad can beat up your dad:mad:
Just messing with ya. Just to clarify how I feel. I don't think anyone should get off easy in something as stupid, and sick as this. If you let people get away with things like this with a sympathy pardon it opens the door for people to excuse their behavior. The comments made by some of the members before we were filled in you would have thought he molested a kid. First serious thought after the post that contained some facts was this douche bag needs a serious ass whooping, and he will probably/hopefully get it.

[Demiurge]

Touche! :)

[AdamRagland]

he might as well molested MY TOUCHE!